I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
@mike867 I think we got them man, thanks for the proof, i was too lazy to provide it.
I’m still in stitches about the SW commen💀💀💀
You're not even paying attention. I talked to the OP about using Mephisto against HT, not SW. Are you even interested in having this conversation, or are you just trying to stir things up? If you are, follow along.
Mephisto would make it easier to be honest and thats because of his power gain. SP3 of Mephisto even at R2 vs Torch of Heroic will do easy but ok, next time I run that I will post images. Maybe you don't have the skill to do it and thats absolutely fine.
With Ghost I can do a lot and I kinda did manage to takeout that Maw from Master EQ and if I play super safe and just build power from his misses, I can just rotate SP3. Doable but not viable and not really that hard either.
HAHAHA. I don't have the skill? I literally did every level of Difficulty all month, hundreds of times in the case of Bounties, 3 a day. Sometimes having to restart because of lag issues. I have the skill. Mephisto feeds his Charges with every hit because of his Incinerate. You can get some Damage in, not much. He heats up before you know it, and melts you through your Regen. Try it yourself. Only, do it on Master and Epic like I did.
I got R2 mephisto with PI similar to Heroic one so I would compare it to that. In Epic its impossible without reviving a few times.
In Master it is doable with 4-5 revives as I hinted above. I used 4 mystic champs to take him down. With Heimdall synergy you get another shot to use SP3 so its doable again.
Good for you if you did all difficulties in bounty. I did Epic Torch with 3* Ghost (got video to prove) and that took me about 50 tries. Maybe try using Heimdal, Morningstar, Diablo (with liquid courage), Dormamu synergy and see if it helps. You would start 2 bars of power and nearly get 3 bars before losing ur charges. Boost up 30% and u will easily solo that Master mode Torch.
Viable? No Impossible? No Doable? Yes Fun? Yes (for me)
I'm not trying to call you out or say you can't do it. Just the opposite. I'm trying to tell you my skill is not the issue. I gave an example of a Champ that makes it extremely difficult for another particular Champ to take down. Mephisto just feeds HT because of his mechanics. It's an uphill paddle. Before you know it, HT overheats, and you're stacking Incinerate like mad. It's a unique Fight that makes it extremely difficult. So I learned not to use Mephisto for that Fight. The same can be said for other situations in the game. There has never been a guarantee that you can take any Champ into some Fights. There are better options, and some do very little. There are many other options, though. In this case, it's one or two Champs that can't be used, and there are other choices. Not a travesty.
But that's OP's point. Very hard yes but not can't be used. You say can't be used but it's never actually been that until now. Doing very little and a bad option would be fine.
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Make sure once you get him, you come back to further contribute to this thread. Its not Contest of Corvus but it isnt supposed to be a game where 1 champion is fully immune to damage from another champ ONLY.
Ghost, Sym Spidey (SP2) and wasp have guaranteed crits (maybe few more) but they can still damage him. Its just that the interaction is not fair. If I have fun with Corvus, you are stopping me here from having that fun because there is literally nothing I can do to damage him.
I used R5 Morningstar VS Torch and if I get 5 souls, I just Parry/Heavy and rotate SP1 which gives me around 2-3 SP1 before I die....if 2 hits crit out of 9 hits of SP1, its enough to takeout Epic torch. Otherwise I can revive and do again.
I used R5 Ghost vs Master EQ Maw and I can control crits and KO him. I almost died and if I did, I have the option to revive.
But with Corvus, there is no option. That interaction is bad for the game. We all say its only 1 champion but that will happen a lot more in future. And that shouldn't happen
If there was only one or two options to bring, I might agree that it's bad. Since there are a plethora, my feelings won't change regardless of the results.
So you are completely OK with 1 champion fully countering another champion. Sure but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you right? Your argument/debate ends at the fact that there are other champions to bring. You neither agree nor disagree that 1 champ fully countering another is fine or not. That means you do not need to contribute here anymore since you do not care about that.
This thread is for those who think its fair or not for such an interaction to exist.
Im really not trying to be a jerk but the 2-3 most argumentative people will not answer this one simple question. One of them even admitted he didn’t understand their interactions! The other said he agreed with us until someone was a “d bag” to him then he decided to argue with us. These guys have no clue what they are talking about. They have failed to answer several SIMPLE questions, let alone this slightly complex one you propose. Don’t try to get an opinion from them, it’s all defection
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
But i would never do it, just like i would never use corvus against thing. Why do a fight that’s a 0% chance to succeed? Your argument is that theoretically corvus can take thing with enough items, and i’m saying he can take maw also
@mike867 I think we got them man, thanks for the proof, i was too lazy to provide it.
I’m still in stitches about the SW commen💀💀💀
You're not even paying attention. I talked to the OP about using Mephisto against HT, not SW. Are you even interested in having this conversation, or are you just trying to stir things up? If you are, follow along.
Mephisto would make it easier to be honest and thats because of his power gain. SP3 of Mephisto even at R2 vs Torch of Heroic will do easy but ok, next time I run that I will post images. Maybe you don't have the skill to do it and thats absolutely fine.
With Ghost I can do a lot and I kinda did manage to takeout that Maw from Master EQ and if I play super safe and just build power from his misses, I can just rotate SP3. Doable but not viable and not really that hard either.
HAHAHA. I don't have the skill? I literally did every level of Difficulty all month, hundreds of times in the case of Bounties, 3 a day. Sometimes having to restart because of lag issues. I have the skill. Mephisto feeds his Charges with every hit because of his Incinerate. You can get some Damage in, not much. He heats up before you know it, and melts you through your Regen. Try it yourself. Only, do it on Master and Epic like I did.
I got R2 mephisto with PI similar to Heroic one so I would compare it to that. In Epic its impossible without reviving a few times.
In Master it is doable with 4-5 revives as I hinted above. I used 4 mystic champs to take him down. With Heimdall synergy you get another shot to use SP3 so its doable again.
Good for you if you did all difficulties in bounty. I did Epic Torch with 3* Ghost (got video to prove) and that took me about 50 tries. Maybe try using Heimdal, Morningstar, Diablo (with liquid courage), Dormamu synergy and see if it helps. You would start 2 bars of power and nearly get 3 bars before losing ur charges. Boost up 30% and u will easily solo that Master mode Torch.
Viable? No Impossible? No Doable? Yes Fun? Yes (for me)
I'm not trying to call you out or say you can't do it. Just the opposite. I'm trying to tell you my skill is not the issue. I gave an example of a Champ that makes it extremely difficult for another particular Champ to take down. Mephisto just feeds HT because of his mechanics. It's an uphill paddle. Before you know it, HT overheats, and you're stacking Incinerate like mad. It's a unique Fight that makes it extremely difficult. So I learned not to use Mephisto for that Fight. The same can be said for other situations in the game. There has never been a guarantee that you can take any Champ into some Fights. There are better options, and some do very little. There are many other options, though. In this case, it's one or two Champs that can't be used, and there are other choices. Not a travesty.
But that's OP's point. Very hard yes but not can't be used. You say can't be used but it's never actually been that until now. Doing very little and a bad option would be fine.
Has anyone tested it enough to say you can't do any Damage at all, or are we just going on the usual play-style and the listed Abilities? As I said, there's not enough data to support the claim that no Damage can be done, and I find it hard to swallow that they would introduce a Champ that guarantees Wins in a place like the Arena. I'm just saying for now, even if a Champ did exist in that capacity, that's not the end of the world in my opinion. There's a way around it. Don't use him. We select what Champs to bring into a Fight.
What about human torch that counters almost all mystics This is nothing at all tbh Just don't use corvus against him Tho it would have still been better if it was like a 45% chance rather than 100% but it is 100% Nothing much we can do
IMO it is fair Corvus has been able to go through most battles in this game and he finally hits a road block I’m not saying that I’m excited that EM counters him it’s just fair and idk why people are using cosmic champs against EM anyways but that is just MY opinion
Still not the point of this whole thread. It’s not “is it smart to use Corvus vs EM?” The answer to that question is very simple: NO!
The point of the thread is “is it fair that one champ can beat another champ no matter the scenario?” Is 1 auto-loss now okay? Are more in the future okay? My point is no auto-win should be in this game.
What if Ryu was immune to Ken? What if Sub Zero was immune to Scorpion? It makes no sense in a 1 on 1 fighting game to have ANY fight where there is an auto-win/auto-loss
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
But i would never do it, just like i would never use corvus against thing. Why do a fight that’s a 0% chance to succeed? Your argument is that theoretically corvus can take thing with enough items, and i’m saying he can take maw also
No way in hell Corvus can take Maw in 15 items in T1 war on any significant node. How will you do 500 L1 in 3 mins👌
What about human torch that counters almost all mystics This is nothing at all tbh Just don't use corvus against him Tho it would have still been better if it was like a 45% chance rather than 100% but it is 100% Nothing much we can do
We can show we don’t like it. Possibly prevent the next auto-loss interaction. Don’t be such a push over
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
But i would never do it, just like i would never use corvus against thing. Why do a fight that’s a 0% chance to succeed? Your argument is that theoretically corvus can take thing with enough items, and i’m saying he can take maw also
No way in hell Corvus can take Maw in 15 items in T1 war on any significant node. How will you do 500 L1 in 3 mins👌
But he can’t take thing either on certain nodes in 15 items, it’s impossible
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
But i would never do it, just like i would never use corvus against thing. Why do a fight that’s a 0% chance to succeed? Your argument is that theoretically corvus can take thing with enough items, and i’m saying he can take maw also
No way in hell Corvus can take Maw in 15 items in T1 war on any significant node. How will you do 500 L1 in 3 mins👌
But he can’t take thing either on certain nodes in 15 items, it’s impossible
On certain nodes? Sure, I’ll take your word for it. But a 7k PI 5/50 Corvus can’t beat a 7k PI 5/50 EM... WITH NO NODES. A 5/50 Corvus may not be able to beat a maxed 3* EM WITH NO NODES!!!!
The whole point for this entire thread has been it’s an auto-loss at equal PIs, I’m not even talking about nodes.
What about human torch that counters almost all mystics This is nothing at all tbh Just don't use corvus against him Tho it would have still been better if it was like a 45% chance rather than 100% but it is 100% Nothing much we can do
We can show we don’t like it. Possibly prevent the next auto-loss interaction. Don’t be such a push over
I'm not being a pushover But will they listen to you? Their response could just be don't use ghost or wasp or corvus
What @GroundedWisdom fails or refuses to see, is that this sets a precedent. Let’s say this ‘trick’ is going to be repeated a few times. And let’s assume it just happens to be repeated for the champs people use mainly in AW offense. By placing a defensive line that specifically and fully counters popular attackers - some of whom are needed to beat specific nodes, like 29 - a lot of players are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
But i would never do it, just like i would never use corvus against thing. Why do a fight that’s a 0% chance to succeed? Your argument is that theoretically corvus can take thing with enough items, and i’m saying he can take maw also
No way in hell Corvus can take Maw in 15 items in T1 war on any significant node. How will you do 500 L1 in 3 mins👌
But he can’t take thing either on certain nodes in 15 items, it’s impossible
On certain nodes? Sure, I’ll take your word for it. But a 7k PI 5/50 Corvus can’t beat a 7k PI 5/50 EM... WITH NO NODES. A 5/50 Corvus may not be able to beat a maxed 3* EM WITH NO NODES!!!!
The whole point for this entire thread has been it’s an auto-loss at equal PIs, I’m not even talking about nodes.
Fair enough, i guess i just disagree that it’s bad 🤷♂️
What @GroundedWisdom fails or refuses to see, is that this sets a precedent. Let’s say this ‘trick’ is going to be repeated a few times. And let’s assume it just happens to be repeated for the champs people use mainly in AW offense. By placing a defensive line that specifically and fully counters popular attackers - some of whom are needed to beat specific nodes, like 29 - a lot of players are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
No, cause someone like maw is a trash defender against a reasonable attacker that you would use, so it would make war easier then placing champs that are tougher to fight.
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Still won’t post his IGN. Still won’t ask if I have a Corvus. Still won’t test Corvus on EM. Still won’t read and understand Corvus’ and EM’s abilities and come to a conclusion. Still assumes an auto-loss scenario is fine. Is going to wait until he gets a Corvus and sees EM in arena before coming to a conclusion💀 it only took 200 loses for him to learn that Mephisto is not good against Human Torch.
What does it matter what his ign is? Mines dreamin34 if u wanna look to see if i’m credible enough to talk to. You *can* damage maw with corvus, and boosted depending on the war node if you’re good enough at light intercepts you *can* kill him before you item out.
That’s a pretty bold statement, especially since no one has ever faced an EM is war ever. Nice assumption tho. Upload the video once you have it please.
But i would never do it, just like i would never use corvus against thing. Why do a fight that’s a 0% chance to succeed? Your argument is that theoretically corvus can take thing with enough items, and i’m saying he can take maw also
No way in hell Corvus can take Maw in 15 items in T1 war on any significant node. How will you do 500 L1 in 3 mins👌
But he can’t take thing either on certain nodes in 15 items, it’s impossible
On certain nodes? Sure, I’ll take your word for it. But a 7k PI 5/50 Corvus can’t beat a 7k PI 5/50 EM... WITH NO NODES. A 5/50 Corvus may not be able to beat a maxed 3* EM WITH NO NODES!!!!
The whole point for this entire thread has been it’s an auto-loss at equal PIs, I’m not even talking about nodes.
Fair enough, i guess i just disagree that it’s bad 🤷♂️
Same I just qont use corvus against ebony maw. Just like I didnt use sparky against sinister or anihilus.
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Honestly, i want them to make war so that i’m forced to bring 3 actual attackers. I have run 1 attacker for 90% of masters wars since season 2. MS for like 4 seasons then ghost.
What @GroundedWisdom fails or refuses to see, is that this sets a precedent. Let’s say this ‘trick’ is going to be repeated a few times. And let’s assume it just happens to be repeated for the champs people use mainly in AW offense. By placing a defensive line that specifically and fully counters popular attackers - some of whom are needed to beat specific nodes, like 29 - a lot of players are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
The "trick" is not a trick at all. It's a Champ that counters Corvus, and Corvus is not the be-all-end-all of the game. Would we be having this discussion if it was someone that countered KK, or Rhino? No. People wouldn't care as much. It's one Champ, among 120+. However, people are using that Champ in most Attack Teams. I can tell you, yes. As long as there are trends like that, they will introduce ways to balance the game out. If there's anything we've learned with 12.0, it's that having certain Champs dominate the game indefinitely is not the direction we are going here. The whole subject is being blown out of proportion just because people use Corvus almost exclusively on their Attack Team. "Think of what they'll do next!" is just an exaggeration. I can guarantee they will do things next. They will balance the game in ways they see fit because the last thing they intend on doing is losing control of their own content again. One or two Champs in a sea of others is not the be-all-end-all.
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Make sure once you get him, you come back to further contribute to this thread. Its not Contest of Corvus but it isnt supposed to be a game where 1 champion is fully immune to damage from another champ ONLY.
Ghost, Sym Spidey (SP2) and wasp have guaranteed crits (maybe few more) but they can still damage him. Its just that the interaction is not fair. If I have fun with Corvus, you are stopping me here from having that fun because there is literally nothing I can do to damage him.
I used R5 Morningstar VS Torch and if I get 5 souls, I just Parry/Heavy and rotate SP1 which gives me around 2-3 SP1 before I die....if 2 hits crit out of 9 hits of SP1, its enough to takeout Epic torch. Otherwise I can revive and do again.
I used R5 Ghost vs Master EQ Maw and I can control crits and KO him. I almost died and if I did, I have the option to revive.
But with Corvus, there is no option. That interaction is bad for the game. We all say its only 1 champion but that will happen a lot more in future. And that shouldn't happen
If there was only one or two options to bring, I might agree that it's bad. Since there are a plethora, my feelings won't change regardless of the results.
So you are completely OK with 1 champion fully countering another champion. Sure but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you right? Your argument/debate ends at the fact that there are other champions to bring. You neither agree nor disagree that 1 champ fully countering another is fine or not. That means you do not need to contribute here anymore since you do not care about that.
This thread is for those who think its fair or not for such an interaction to exist.
This Thread is for discussing that interaction, not just for people who agree that it shouldn't exist. Yes, I'm fine with it. Even in the Arena, you have 2 other options to use against him. Same with War.
Ok good but here we are discussing about Corvus VS Maw specifically and not about arena or about AW or about how good or bad he is VS Maw. All of us agree that Corvus is not good for Maw or Mystic suck VS Torch but thats not what we are talking about.
The light attack thing to damage Maw is ridiculous. There could have been a way to fix this if Kabam gave Corvus the ability to start a fight with his glaive immunity/ability up or not. That would let people go in without glaive ability and at least do regular hits so they can take him down
Corvus vs. Maw specifically, involves talking about the Arena and War. We're talking about the implications and the applications of that interaction.
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Make sure once you get him, you come back to further contribute to this thread. Its not Contest of Corvus but it isnt supposed to be a game where 1 champion is fully immune to damage from another champ ONLY.
Ghost, Sym Spidey (SP2) and wasp have guaranteed crits (maybe few more) but they can still damage him. Its just that the interaction is not fair. If I have fun with Corvus, you are stopping me here from having that fun because there is literally nothing I can do to damage him.
I used R5 Morningstar VS Torch and if I get 5 souls, I just Parry/Heavy and rotate SP1 which gives me around 2-3 SP1 before I die....if 2 hits crit out of 9 hits of SP1, its enough to takeout Epic torch. Otherwise I can revive and do again.
I used R5 Ghost vs Master EQ Maw and I can control crits and KO him. I almost died and if I did, I have the option to revive.
But with Corvus, there is no option. That interaction is bad for the game. We all say its only 1 champion but that will happen a lot more in future. And that shouldn't happen
If there was only one or two options to bring, I might agree that it's bad. Since there are a plethora, my feelings won't change regardless of the results.
So you are completely OK with 1 champion fully countering another champion. Sure but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you right? Your argument/debate ends at the fact that there are other champions to bring. You neither agree nor disagree that 1 champ fully countering another is fine or not. That means you do not need to contribute here anymore since you do not care about that.
This thread is for those who think its fair or not for such an interaction to exist.
This Thread is for discussing that interaction, not just for people who agree that it shouldn't exist. Yes, I'm fine with it. Even in the Arena, you have 2 other options to use against him. Same with War.
Ok good but here we are discussing about Corvus VS Maw specifically and not about arena or about AW or about how good or bad he is VS Maw. All of us agree that Corvus is not good for Maw or Mystic suck VS Torch but thats not what we are talking about.
The light attack thing to damage Maw is ridiculous. There could have been a way to fix this if Kabam gave Corvus the ability to start a fight with his glaive immunity/ability up or not. That would let people go in without glaive ability and at least do regular hits so they can take him down
But nobody, under any circumstances, would ever do that. They would just use someone else, so what’s the difference?
Being severely crippled by a good counter or defender in a matchup is one thing, but designing it in such a way that a particular champ is flat out unable to fight another champ in any way is pretty damn stupid. Every single fight should give you at least a chance to win, even if it is a small chance.
What @GroundedWisdom fails or refuses to see, is that this sets a precedent. Let’s say this ‘trick’ is going to be repeated a few times. And let’s assume it just happens to be repeated for the champs people use mainly in AW offense. By placing a defensive line that specifically and fully counters popular attackers - some of whom are needed to beat specific nodes, like 29 - a lot of players are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
The "trick" is not a trick at all. It's a Champ that counters Corvus, and Corvus is not the be-all-end-all of the game. Would we be having this discussion if it was someone that countered KK, or Rhino? No. People wouldn't care as much. It's one Champ, among 120+. However, people are using that Champ in most Attack Teams. I can tell you, yes. As long as there are trends like that, they will introduce ways to balance the game out. If there's anything we've learned with 12.0, it's that having certain Champs dominate the game indefinitely is not the direction we are going here. The whole subject is being blown out of proportion just because people use Corvus almost exclusively on their Attack Team. "Think of what they'll do next!" is just an exaggeration. I can guarantee they will do things next. They will balance the game in ways they see fit because the last thing they intend on doing is losing control of their own content again. One or two Champs in a sea of others is not the be-all-end-all.
KK and Rhino wont impact us and thats kabams fault for not making them useful. Not the players fault for not using them. Balancing the game has to be done the right way. I wont talk about AW or Arena but talking about a simple EQ shows that a champion of even lower rarity is designed in such a way that it totally counters a champion of much higher rarity.
6* R2 Corvus CAN die to a 3* Maw in EQ. That interaction is absurd. A 6* R2 MS dying to a 5* Torch is understandable as you do not have the damage to dish out before the nova flames kick in. That is balance.
Balance isnt something where a 3* can counter a 6* champion either. So if you are talking about Balance, talk from both perspectives
Wait a second, so it's a non-issue if it doesn't affect you? Wasn't the basis of the argument that it shouldn't happen?
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This is nothing at all tbh
Just don't use corvus against him
Tho it would have still been better if it was like a 45% chance rather than 100% but it is 100%
Nothing much we can do
The point of the thread is “is it fair that one champ can beat another champ no matter the scenario?” Is 1 auto-loss now okay? Are more in the future okay? My point is no auto-win should be in this game.
What if Ryu was immune to Ken? What if Sub Zero was immune to Scorpion? It makes no sense in a 1 on 1 fighting game to have ANY fight where there is an auto-win/auto-loss
We can show we don’t like it. Possibly prevent the next auto-loss interaction. Don’t be such a push over
The whole point for this entire thread has been it’s an auto-loss at equal PIs, I’m not even talking about nodes.
But will they listen to you? Their response could just be don't use ghost or wasp or corvus
The whole subject is being blown out of proportion just because people use Corvus almost exclusively on their Attack Team. "Think of what they'll do next!" is just an exaggeration. I can guarantee they will do things next. They will balance the game in ways they see fit because the last thing they intend on doing is losing control of their own content again.
One or two Champs in a sea of others is not the be-all-end-all.