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Early Look: New Alliance Wars Maps - Discussion Thread

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    xNigxNig Posts: 7,250 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    xNig said:

    Stellar said:

    Thank you Kabam for the joke this new AW map bring us !
    Its so juicy seeing so many nodes making champions nearly undoable without tons of items !


    Lets just see this node 20 which gives an unstoppable buff every 8 seconds.. ok thats fine
    The buff initially last 4 seconds out of the 8 before the next buff... ouch
    Wait no ! The buff gain +75% duration... making it last 7 secondes out of the 8 before the next buff 🤣🤣🤣
    This is without extensive buffs duration of Hyperion or Voodoo which make them virtually unstopable for the remzinder of the fight if you’re unable to dispose them in the 8 first secondes or if you can’t block the arrival of the buff... 👍
    Oh and in case its not enough, every 6 secondes you got a degen if you can’t hit 😂😂😂

    You’re a joke. The timer for the 8 seconds cooldown doesn’t start until Unstoppable is over. You can parry champs when Unstoppable is up.

    Get your facts straight before complaining.
    Hmm ikr. Did these unstoppables with my r4 spidergwen. Easy money. There’s better complaints that are valid then this.
    Yup. Fought a R5 Thing on the Unstoppable mini. Soloed with Blade. Was really easy.
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    xNigxNig Posts: 7,250 ★★★★★
    edited June 2019
    Kobster84 said:

    xNig said:

    Stellar said:

    Thank you Kabam for the joke this new AW map bring us !
    Its so juicy seeing so many nodes making champions nearly undoable without tons of items !


    Lets just see this node 20 which gives an unstoppable buff every 8 seconds.. ok thats fine
    The buff initially last 4 seconds out of the 8 before the next buff... ouch
    Wait no ! The buff gain +75% duration... making it last 7 secondes out of the 8 before the next buff 🤣🤣🤣
    This is without extensive buffs duration of Hyperion or Voodoo which make them virtually unstopable for the remzinder of the fight if you’re unable to dispose them in the 8 first secondes or if you can’t block the arrival of the buff... 👍
    Oh and in case its not enough, every 6 secondes you got a degen if you can’t hit 😂😂😂

    You’re a joke. The timer for the 8 seconds cooldown doesn’t start until Unstoppable is over. You can parry champs when Unstoppable is up.

    Get your facts straight before complaining.
    Well also gotta remember hyperion further increases that buff duration by 75% id be more worried off timing out than anything else
    Yes. But you can parry him whilst he’s unstoppable. Add in relatively low champ boost local nodes. Even without SG, easily soloable (not to mention SymSup etc buff nullifiers will eat those buffs for lunch).
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    Captain_KandiceCaptain_Kandice Posts: 222 ★★
    Was the beta really just for the top 800? Why wasn’t it expanded to include all map types that had a change? Those with a huge roster have a better chance to have counters for difficult nodes than those in lower tiers. Shouldn’t mid level players have a say in beta as well if the changes were going to effect them as well?

    It feels like this new map wasn’t tested properly. It also seems like a good number of people who were part of the beta feel like their feedback was ignored anyway.
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    AkhilxcxAkhilxcx Posts: 255 ★★
    okay so with all these new nodes as stated by the mods they did want to increase difficulty and change strategies for players. yet they mentioned that rewards will not increase bcoz there's no difficulty increase before season 11 including defender tactics so they didn't increase the rewards. like seriously dude you guys are self contradictory. also your developers testing these nodes doesn't make sense bcoz they would ultimately clear every node(they make those nodes remember!!).
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    TomBrady12TomBrady12 Posts: 85
    Kobster84 said:

    @Kabam Miike you have to admit this is much harder than the previous alliance war map that’s why I suggest you should implement he rewards you were going to add in s11 to s10

    It sounds like they think that revealing the defenders makes up for the harder difficulty.
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    GamerGamer Posts: 10,193 ★★★★★
    @Kabam Miike the node aginse haven’t ben tests rigth at all sinplet ther is some you ain’t and wil not wont to itersup yeah ther is couner but not always with who you hav as a champ to use so stop make argument for that and firsthand you guys really need to consider buffs the shard your get from win a war that only fair ofcasse it a new map but how wil it help when alliance don’t place champions one node so we ain’t get use to it either
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    Ultra8529Ultra8529 Posts: 526 ★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Madcat said:

    What gets me is that many people predicted all these issues when they released the nodes. AQ bosses that are way too hard and AW nodes that are impossible with certain champs and masteries.

    Yes - a lot of this was posted with specific champions that would break the nodes. I am not sure why the advice from Beta testing was largely ignored.
    Every time we had a reply that included "This Champion would make this Node impossible", we tested that combination extensively, and though some of them are very difficult without certain Counters, we did make sure that they were possible to beat in One Shot.
    This seems to be inefficient use of time on both sides of the beta.

    Proving the nodes are possible with certain defenders seems to be a relatively trivial exercise. Just because the devs can't beat it doesn't mean it is impossible. But conversely, just because they can beat it doesn't mean the difficulty design target was met, unless the design target was "not impossible." Surely the design target was something other than "not impossible."
    Very good point. Why have a beta in the first place if you're just going to rely on your own tests instead?
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    Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★

    Kobster84 said:

    @Kabam Miike you have to admit this is much harder than the previous alliance war map that’s why I suggest you should implement he rewards you were going to add in s11 to s10


    There would be riots if they implemented improved reward in the midst of a season. Many alliances aren’t taking AW as serious now because the rewards have become outdated. People would feel cheated since they would have been as competitive as they would be. I also don’t like the idea of better rewards in AW. There was a lot of tension and shady things going on. People were quitting because of how stressful it was so why repeat that
    Season hasn’t started yet don’t see a problem with adding the rewards
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    The statement that It's possibly doable isn't contradicted with the fact that normally it will cost too many deaths/potions. And this might happen in one single node. What if we take a whole path into account?
    Don't overestimate the average skill level of the player base. I think your map design is great but not those nodes.
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    TacoScottyTacoScotty Posts: 407 ★★
    edited June 2019
    In the offseason I would like to see dev team to fight like an MNG or another top alliance in the expert map. Look forward to seeing them clear with close to zero deaths with 15 item cap. Keep in mind if using 15 items every war that isn’t really sustainable either

    Sure if I have unlimited attempts at a node I can eventually one shot everything as well. Basically for aegis heavy / intercept I need to be spot on with heavy intercepts. Not an easy task but eventually I would nail it in one attempt
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    WhungWhung Posts: 36
    @Kabam Miike

    I dun think that is a great idea for new path9 node.
    Only mrsinister immune to it ?
    Actually. You guys should put more options to let us using more Champions to play with the node. (Eg : robot /Emma)
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    Kobster84 said:

    Kobster84 said:

    @Kabam Miike you have to admit this is much harder than the previous alliance war map that’s why I suggest you should implement he rewards you were going to add in s11 to s10


    There would be riots if they implemented improved reward in the midst of a season. Many alliances aren’t taking AW as serious now because the rewards have become outdated. People would feel cheated since they would have been as competitive as they would be. I also don’t like the idea of better rewards in AW. There was a lot of tension and shady things going on. People were quitting because of how stressful it was so why repeat that
    Season hasn’t started yet don’t see a problem with adding the rewards
    Save yourself the headache and don't reply to that guy @Kobster84 . He often says things arbitrarily, ambiguously, and they often don't even apply to what you originally said. I could tell from your original message you meant change the rewards FOR Season 10. Not in the MIDDLE of Season 10.

    We're in the midst of the Off Season and we were asked directly to keep the feedback coming. So, I would advise everyone to say their piece. I'm hoping we get some clarity on what I asked in my previous post. I'll summarize it now. Whole Community gets new Map, then has to wait for a reward buff for a feature that only T5-T1 can utilize. Why?
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 ★★★★★
    Kobster84 said:

    Kobster84 said:

    @Kabam Miike you have to admit this is much harder than the previous alliance war map that’s why I suggest you should implement he rewards you were going to add in s11 to s10


    There would be riots if they implemented improved reward in the midst of a season. Many alliances aren’t taking AW as serious now because the rewards have become outdated. People would feel cheated since they would have been as competitive as they would be. I also don’t like the idea of better rewards in AW. There was a lot of tension and shady things going on. People were quitting because of how stressful it was so why repeat that
    Season hasn’t started yet don’t see a problem with adding the rewards
    The problem is they want the Rewards to be in tandem with Defense Tactics.
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    Captain_KandiceCaptain_Kandice Posts: 222 ★★

    @Kabam Miike I challenge you to a gentlemans duel. What's your in game name? I'll duel your top champ with mine... and you do the same, my game name is the same as my forum name... we take screenshots or video and post them here. I'm curious to see your top 4 as well to see how thoroughly you personally tested any of these maps. Come on man.... it will be fun... you know you want the competition.

    Nah, I'm good. I'm also obviously not the only one testing everything here. There are people much more skilled than I am who rival some of our top Players in game.
    Are there people testing for all skill levels and testing all tier levels or is it just the most skilled testing the game?
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    Captain_KandiceCaptain_Kandice Posts: 222 ★★

    @Kabam Miike I challenge you to a gentlemans duel. What's your in game name? I'll duel your top champ with mine... and you do the same, my game name is the same as my forum name... we take screenshots or video and post them here. I'm curious to see your top 4 as well to see how thoroughly you personally tested any of these maps. Come on man.... it will be fun... you know you want the competition.

    Nah, I'm good. I'm also obviously not the only one testing everything here. There are people much more skilled than I am who rival some of our top Players in game.

    Are there people testing for all skill levels and testing all tier levels or is it just the most skilled testing the game?
    Of course it's not just the most skilled! We have people of all different Skill levels and progression testing all of the content.

    Good to know. Thanks!
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    Little_Crocodili29Little_Crocodili29 Posts: 268 ★★★
    All these links to have everyone meet in a bottleneck first section have taken away much of the freedom we used to have with explo.

    If you make the left, mid and right sides able to move to section 2 individualy, no links to each other, we can make do with the pointless energy eater spots. Have each section still have a portal at the end which leads everywhere - that is the only positive improment to the new map imo.

    The increase in difficulty, with all the ridiculous node combinations and restricted counter possibilities... well, I won't repeat the points the many frustrated players have raised but they're sound. There was one person who said something like G1 and map 5 was their happy place. Right on! It was the right amount of competitive, and even though the timers still made it long, it was good stress free moments with your alli friends. I hope something can be done to salvage that, fellas.

    Thanks
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    synergy247synergy247 Posts: 306
    @Kabam Miike so only a few days out from Season 10 launch. Do you have an update about whether:

    1. the current war map/new nodes is going to be retained, adjusted or reverted back to the previous one, and
    2. Any update on rewards given the unintended increase in difficulty that the vast majority of the community has reported?

    Thanks
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    Tarzan041Tarzan041 Posts: 203 ★★
    The game is less fun for at least half the players base. The difficulty goes up, the rewards trickle down. This new AQ doesnt justify the small rewards. This new war is something that will drive players away. I have already told my alliance, I will not spend anything on war. If I get kicked I'll go without an alliance. I for one am getting tired of the difficulty going up, for the same crappy rewards. Not to mention the the endless cycle of bugs and lag. Kabam has got their last dollar from me.
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    MenkentMenkent Posts: 889 ★★★★
    Took the far right path for the first time and I can confirm that node 13 is complete ****. How is that the second fight on a path?
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    Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★
    Maybe a compromise give us half of the extra rewards that are coming for s11 and add the other half in s11
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    Mcord117 said:

    Very little chance the buff in rewards is large enough to split in 2

    Feasibly, they could buff the individual war rewards this time, and then the Season rewards next time. It's meeting the players in the middle, and makes the most sense in my mind. New Map which is taking some getting used too war to war, give us something more, war to war. Defense Tactics will be something that shifts things as a whole for AW throughout the Season, buff the Season rewards. It's a nice compromise if you ask me. I've heard others say the same so clearly I'm not alone in this mentality.
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    GreywardenGreywarden Posts: 843 ★★★★
    Been a few wars now and I haven’t seen any healing from psychic thorns....using omega and only tentacle hits (mediums and heavies).
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