How many docks does it take for players to stop modding in AW Seasons?

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★

    I can't speak for them, but I suppose there's not much they can say on here. I'm sure they're aware. They don't discuss actions, so that leaves small room to say much. In the meantime, the best thing to do is for people to send a Report to Support when they encounter anyone.

    Players have been submitting tickets for months. Aside from a single-digit # of AW Seasons points docks for modding and slightly more temporary account bans nothing has come from players submitting support tickets. If Kabam’s system allows players to utilize mods in violation of MCOC’s terms of service, the system is at fault. Alliances that compete in AW Seasons with fair and honest play are being punished for doing so when matched against players who utilize APK mod software without being punished. That’s the fault of Kabam’s system, not the fault of players.

    The logic behind not awarding wins to cheated alliances is solid, whether players agree with that logic doesn’t matter. At a minimum, players should be eligible for some sort of compensation when cheated in competitive game modes. For example, an alliance that loses to opponents that mod X amount of times could have their season points total adjusted to only include the number of wars they completed against opponents who didn’t use mods. This adjusted leaderboard points total could then be used outside of actual season-end leaderboard rankings like Kabam did a few season ago with MNG. Lastly, Kabam could also require developers to actually play MCOC so they could analyze data more accurately when implementing mod detection protocol.
    I'm not talking about Compensation anymore on the subject. Lol. I've said how I feel and I think it's becoming repetitive.
    The question is, how do you know nothing has been done?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★


    I'm not talking about Compensation anymore on the subject. Lol. I've said how I feel and I think it's becoming repetitive.
    The question is, how do you know nothing has been done?


    The current AW Seasons leaderboards shows 2 alliances that have modded every war this season in top 5 master rankings. Players have been submitting support tickets that include video evidence of modding about 1 of those alliances for more than 2 months. That alliance has had 1 AW season dock and 0 member account bans. This is common knowledge for top war alliances because players keep track of modding alliances’ members through last login shown as well as modding alliances member changes to see if any bans have happened.
    Actions aren't immediate. In any case, what is it you want to see happen? Ban them all? I doubt Kabam is going to confirm that they're going to ban a specific Ally or Player. There isn't anything outside of reporting it and leaving it to them that we can do.
  • Grimv717Grimv717 Member Posts: 96
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    chunkyb said:

    How many times is reporting it and leaving it to them ok when there's no action taken?

    That's the frustration being voiced (and the actual topic) in this thread.

    When you play a game for 4 years, 4 to 8 or more hours a day, and especially at high levels... You have an intimate knowledge of what is possible and what is not possible in this game. It's not mysticism or science, it simply is game knowledge.

    When you (and a few hundred others with the same game knowledge that regularly communicate with each other) play against one of 3 particular alliances season after season, you see all you need to see.

    When you (and a few hundred others) monitor these 3 alliances over the course of several seasons, you also see when action has been taken and when action has not been taken. You know the signs, you know the blowback. None of it is there.

    When you (and a few hundred others) see a pattern of behavior that isn't stopping because of temporary bans or points docks, when you see the methods used starting to spread, when you see players bouncing to other alliances to repeat the process... You see exactly what's happening.

    This thread isn't about guesswork, it's not baseless allegations, it's not crying over losses or lack of rewards. It's high level, knowledgeable, long-term players LITERALLY begging kabam to up their game FOR THE GAME ITSELF.

    It's players trying to properly use the reporting protocol as designed to beg kabam to take appropriate action. And it's players telling kabam that those reporting protocols and the system of checks in place as of now have simply failed.

    No one is asking for a hand-written letter laying out information that shouldn't be laid out. The only thing anyone wants is to know they're heard, know that Kabam is taking this extremely seriously, and know that Kabam is putting a laser focus on an issue that has been ongoing (by the same group of cheaters) for at least 3 seasons. That's all. Then, everyone can sit back and wait, allow kabam to do their thing.

    So, we're waiting.

    @Kabam Miike
  • weapon_xweapon_x Member Posts: 29
    How is Kabam letting this alliance stay in masters? They need to be perma-banned for clear cheating.

    Automated mod detection is not working in their case for some reason, they have to be manually reviewed by someone @Kabam Miike. Please don’t wait until end of season.
  • LayermonkeyLayermonkey Member Posts: 24
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    chunkyb said:

    How many times is reporting it and leaving it to them ok when there's no action taken?

    That's the frustration being voiced (and the actual topic) in this thread.

    When you play a game for 4 years, 4 to 8 or more hours a day, and especially at high levels... You have an intimate knowledge of what is possible and what is not possible in this game. It's not mysticism or science, it simply is game knowledge.

    When you (and a few hundred others with the same game knowledge that regularly communicate with each other) play against one of 3 particular alliances season after season, you see all you need to see.

    When you (and a few hundred others) monitor these 3 alliances over the course of several seasons, you also see when action has been taken and when action has not been taken. You know the signs, you know the blowback. None of it is there.

    When you (and a few hundred others) see a pattern of behavior that isn't stopping because of temporary bans or points docks, when you see the methods used starting to spread, when you see players bouncing to other alliances to repeat the process... You see exactly what's happening.

    This thread isn't about guesswork, it's not baseless allegations, it's not crying over losses or lack of rewards. It's high level, knowledgeable, long-term players LITERALLY begging kabam to up their game FOR THE GAME ITSELF.

    It's players trying to properly use the reporting protocol as designed to beg kabam to take appropriate action. And it's players telling kabam that those reporting protocols and the system of checks in place as of now have simply failed.

    No one is asking for a hand-written letter laying out information that shouldn't be laid out. The only thing anyone wants is to know they're heard, know that Kabam is taking this extremely seriously, and know that Kabam is putting a laser focus on an issue that has been ongoing (by the same group of cheaters) for at least 3 seasons. That's all. Then, everyone can sit back and wait, allow kabam to do their thing.

    So, we're waiting.

    chunkyb said:

    How many times is reporting it and leaving it to them ok when there's no action taken?

    That's the frustration being voiced (and the actual topic) in this thread.

    When you play a game for 4 years, 4 to 8 or more hours a day, and especially at high levels... You have an intimate knowledge of what is possible and what is not possible in this game. It's not mysticism or science, it simply is game knowledge.

    When you (and a few hundred others with the same game knowledge that regularly communicate with each other) play against one of 3 particular alliances season after season, you see all you need to see.

    When you (and a few hundred others) monitor these 3 alliances over the course of several seasons, you also see when action has been taken and when action has not been taken. You know the signs, you know the blowback. None of it is there.

    When you (and a few hundred others) see a pattern of behavior that isn't stopping because of temporary bans or points docks, when you see the methods used starting to spread, when you see players bouncing to other alliances to repeat the process... You see exactly what's happening.

    This thread isn't about guesswork, it's not baseless allegations, it's not crying over losses or lack of rewards. It's high level, knowledgeable, long-term players LITERALLY begging kabam to up their game FOR THE GAME ITSELF.

    It's players trying to properly use the reporting protocol as designed to beg kabam to take appropriate action. And it's players telling kabam that those reporting protocols and the system of checks in place as of now have simply failed.

    No one is asking for a hand-written letter laying out information that shouldn't be laid out. The only thing anyone wants is to know they're heard, know that Kabam is taking this extremely seriously, and know that Kabam is putting a laser focus on an issue that has been ongoing (by the same group of cheaters) for at least 3 seasons. That's all. Then, everyone can sit back and wait, allow kabam to do their thing.

    So, we're waiting.

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight.
    Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
  • Run477Run477 Member Posts: 1,391 ★★★
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    What is factually inaccurate?

    Was the Kentucky derby runner-up not declared the winner?

    When someone used the rope in tetherball, was the other person not declared the winner?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    Yeah no. You know what I was referring to. If you're incapable of discussing it without digs, we can move on in the conversation.
  • Run477Run477 Member Posts: 1,391 ★★★
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    So you’re finally admitting that you just try to blow up threads and take them off topic. Much appreciated.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    What are you reading? That's nothing like what I said. I'm talking about the dig about never beating The Collector or playing Gold 3. Your information is incorrect, and calling me out is not a useful way to communciate.
    If you want to discuss the topic, great. If you can't do it without getting personal, talk to someone else.
  • Run477Run477 Member Posts: 1,391 ★★★
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    Why are you still trying to derail this conversation? This is about modding in war and the lack of legitimate consequences/unfairness to the ally that happens to have to play one of these modding allies.

    And all you want to talk about is how you haven’t beaten the collector yet or played above gold 3. Please stay on topic and stop trying to derail the conversation.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    I'm quite aware of what the Thread is about. I've been participating in it all along. I'm not getting sucked into a rabbit hole. Sorry.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    Moving on. I agree with people on the fact that it needs to be dealt with. I'm not getting into the Compensation issue. I think I've said enough on that. To be frank, I agree that punishment should be the same as other game modes which are found to use Mods. I'm just not sure we will get a definite answer about specific Allies here on the Forum. Obviously we know they take these issues seriously. They've said so repeatedly. They've come far in making War a fair space, and I'm sure there's room for improvement. I'm just not convinced we will get much of a specific response in terms of particular cases. They don't really talk about specifics.
  • UppercutUppercut Member Posts: 158
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    Any updates from Kabam on this subject? Based on what I read there are two action items:

    1. Review war activity of the alliance who’s members were season 9-10 offenders. It’s currently a highly ranked master bracket alliance and many legitimate players are affected every war (reporting them to support did not help so far).

    2. We need a better long term solution before next season starts. Faster/ better mod detection and clear message to hackers that game integrity matters (ban policy needs an update).
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    I understand the frustration of them doing it 3 Seasons. I'm also all for improvement. I'm just not too keen on too fast. There also has to be a thorough process of investigation. I don't want an Auto-Ban system or a situation where any person can just take out the competition without due process. I'm not disputing what people have found with specific Allies. I'm just making the point that it has to take a certain amount of time. It's never instantaneous.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    This Forum is for Players to discuss the game. Not just for responses from Moderation. Having a conversation is not spamming. You're free to ask for a response, but they may or may not comment on every Thread, and other people will participate in what's posted.
  • crystaldsmithcrystaldsmith Member Posts: 471 ★★
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    I'm not really very educated on this topic. What mods are people using and how can you detect them as an opponent?

    I'm far more familiar with piloting as it's freaking impossible to get the person who did it to admit it and my old Alliance was docked several times for it.
  • Sank_10Sank_10 Member Posts: 11
    edited August 2019
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
    Modders are really killing the game. Even they get docked, it still doesnt compensate alliances who lose against modders

    Perhaps all of us should create a sub-alliance consists of mod accounts. Its ok to get dock, the idea is to get competitor of the main alliance lose points during war. Good idea ?
  • DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Member Posts: 2,785 ★★★★★
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.

    Bumping to keep this topic fresh considering there are no docks happening yet.

    Waiting until the damage is done really is getting tiresome.

  • UppercutUppercut Member Posts: 158
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.

    Just looking at top 3 of Master bracket, those are the same group of people that got docked end of last season to P2. Changed alliance and do the same thing. We were fighting them in recent war. They can take down brute force all or nothing Thing using Magik and use OR for Darkhawk T1 Boss with little health loss. Extremely frustrating to see. Kabam, what is the point of balancing champs, they can just cheat and beat the content at ease.

    @Darklord2099 did you record it or take screenshots of before and after those fights?
  • DJSergyDJSergy Member Posts: 170 ★★
    Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.

    Moving on. I agree with people on the fact that it needs to be dealt with. I'm not getting into the Compensation issue. I think I've said enough on that. To be frank, I agree that punishment should be the same as other game modes which are found to use Mods. I'm just not sure we will get a definite answer about specific Allies here on the Forum. Obviously we know they take these issues seriously. They've said so repeatedly. They've come far in making War a fair space, and I'm sure there's room for improvement. I'm just not convinced we will get much of a specific response in terms of particular cases. They don't really talk about specifics.

    Even though they don’t discuss specific cases, the most important and controversial case is an alliance beating top tier alliances using mods. So yes, kabam needs to make an exception and address this specific case and make it public to the community. This will ease the minds of competitive players that are spending in AW 30% boosts (highly expensive) but are getting beat by an alliance using hacks
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