Moving on. I agree with people on the fact that it needs to be dealt with. I'm not getting into the Compensation issue. I think I've said enough on that. To be frank, I agree that punishment should be the same as other game modes which are found to use Mods. I'm just not sure we will get a definite answer about specific Allies here on the Forum. Obviously we know they take these issues seriously. They've said so repeatedly. They've come far in making War a fair space, and I'm sure there's room for improvement. I'm just not convinced we will get much of a specific response in terms of particular cases. They don't really talk about specifics.
Even though they don’t discuss specific cases, the most important and controversial case is an alliance beating top tier alliances using mods. So yes, kabam needs to make an exception and address this specific case and make it public to the community. This will ease the minds of competitive players that are spending in AW 30% boosts (highly expensive) but are getting beat by an alliance using hacks
Why is it necessary to make it public? Isn't the objective having it dealt with? This isn't Game of Thrones. Lol. Public lambasting isn't really necessary.
Modding is at an all-time high and we need swift action.
This is a slow moving game and player investment is insane:
Years of roster development Years of learning Thousands of hours grinding Thousands on offers
...so some kid can waltz in with a hack and make it all a joke???
The only reason we play is because we think it's a fair game, but that's not the case anymore and you're doing nothing meaningful about it.
A simple dock at the end of a season won't do anything. The damage is already done to innocent teams, and it hasn't stopped the same hackers from doing it again the next season.
Anyone caught hacking or botting needs a permanent ban. Rehabilitation doesn't work.
These cheaters are your enemy because they're poisoning the well and killing your game from the inside out. You're crazy if you think anyone will spend on a champ so some twerp can run a mod and clear it in less than 20 seconds.
Hacking is a cancer that will kill any competitive game, and MCOC is no different. Once it reaches a certain level where it's too common, it becomes "one of those games" that no one touches because cheaters have tainted it.
I still say the punishment should be specific to the game mode. Using hacks/mods on your account is a violation of the ToS. Utilizing them in AW should come with an AW timeout so to speak. Ban them from AW altogether for 1 Season on top of the standard ToS Violation Ban. Perhaps putting a dent in their Loyalty influx will make cheating less worth it. As it currently stands, the punishments do not do well enough to detour the practice. Or so it seems anyway.
Let's also note that if those that would cheat in AW were locked out for a Season, perhaps the next one would be fought on even ground. Seeing as how they couldn't join in, it would definitely lessen the chances of running into someone who's utilizing mods. Now I do to a certain extent agree that those who repeatedly utilize them, even after point docks and bans aren't likely to change.
However if the punishments changed, and scaled per repeated infraction (1st offense - 1 Season Ban; 2nd offense - 2 Season Ban; 3rd offense - 6 month AW Ban) they might be more inclined to stop doing it. However, after 3 offenses and 9 months total being locked out of AW... yeah, they'll never learn. At which time, adios MCoC privileges. What else can be done at that point?
Modding is at an all-time high and we need swift action.
This is a slow moving game and player investment is insane:
Years of roster development Years of learning Thousands of hours grinding Thousands on offers
...so some kid can waltz in with a hack and make it all a joke???
The only reason we play is because we think it's a fair game, but that's not the case anymore and you're doing nothing meaningful about it.
A simple dock at the end of a season won't do anything. The damage is already done to innocent teams, and it hasn't stopped the same hackers from doing it again the next season.
Anyone caught hacking or botting needs a permanent ban. Rehabilitation doesn't work.
These cheaters are your enemy because they're poisoning the well and killing your game from the inside out. You're crazy if you think anyone will spend on a champ so some twerp can run a mod and clear it in less than 20 seconds.
Hacking is a cancer that will kill any competitive game, and MCOC is no different. Once it reaches a certain level where it's too common, it becomes "one of those games" that no one touches because cheaters have tainted it.
Kabam, tell us what you're going to do about it.
Kudos man , been facing Mod alliance back 2 back ! Lost 3 wars in a row to Modders , Kabam does nothing ! (Telling from experience) Sits back and bot the auto reply ! I did waste my time , my energy , but Kabam doesn't care of what's going in the game ! I sent them proof of Modding , sent them profiles of being people Cavaliers with rank 1 5* ! Snapshot of a guy we were facing in war having Ultron Omega with no good roster ! Man , am already loosing the interest in the game , don't want that to happen , but Can't Stop , Won't Stop ! I'll sure delete this game once we Face Modders in Aw again ! This game is now broken guys
Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
The prolonged silence and inaction on this topic is not an effective way to resolve this problem. There is research going back literally 50 years that explains how consequences are most effective when applied consistently and as soon after undesired behavior as is possible. Neither consistency nor timely responses have been utilized with players modding in AW.
Disagreeing with these concepts does not decrease their validity:
I don't like cheating any more than anyone else, but you can't say they're developmentally disabled. People cheat with the same motivation that others have when they become insanely competitive and obsessed with what others are doing during Seasons. Same drive behind both. People want to win and they want Rewards. The difference is, one side is careless and greedy enough to break the rules. The other plays by the rules. I'm not saying cheating is justified. Just saying you can't say they're somehow disabled. They're just obsessed with winning at any cost. Not all people are honest. Fortunately the majority of us are.
Moving on. I agree with people on the fact that it needs to be dealt with. I'm not getting into the Compensation issue. I think I've said enough on that. To be frank, I agree that punishment should be the same as other game modes which are found to use Mods. I'm just not sure we will get a definite answer about specific Allies here on the Forum. Obviously we know they take these issues seriously. They've said so repeatedly. They've come far in making War a fair space, and I'm sure there's room for improvement. I'm just not convinced we will get much of a specific response in terms of particular cases. They don't really talk about specifics.
Even though they don’t discuss specific cases, the most important and controversial case is an alliance beating top tier alliances using mods. So yes, kabam needs to make an exception and address this specific case and make it public to the community. This will ease the minds of competitive players that are spending in AW 30% boosts (highly expensive) but are getting beat by an alliance using hacks
Why is it necessary to make it public? Isn't the objective having it dealt with? This isn't Game of Thrones. Lol. Public lambasting isn't really necessary.
Lol I’m going to be honest it is funny first thing you thought was game of thrones 😂 .
However in real life it is quite common for organizations to make details available to everyone to “set an example” and establish a precedent everyone will follow. This is HR 101, not game of thrones 😂
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
Taking an excerpt from The Journal of Special Education......um......while I admire your fervor, that's pretty inappropriate.
The study was one of the earliest to replicate Skinner’s work on behavioral extinction. Without proper context I can see how focusing on the journal alone would give the wrong impression. Replication can be found in more recent research here:
Or better yet, here’re the cliff notes from the above text’s specific chapter on extinction. They’re identical to findings from my OP’s journal screenshot:
Please just stop responding to this guy. It only makes him craft more posts specifically designed to crawl under someones skin. He is obviously not trying to have a conversation about the game. He is trying to find a way to make people waste their time by writing super long responses to him. Just don't do it. Tree falling in the woods people....
This is not true at all. I don't comment to incite any reaction. My thoughts are my own. Equally, I don't agree or disagree for the sake of doing it. My views are considered through my own thoughts and shared. I don't just argue to go against the status quo. I also don't agree just because everyone else agrees. This is a discussion. People will express their own thoughts and ideas. In a respectful conversation, people can agree or disagree in a respectful way. They don't have to see things eye-to-eye. They just have to disagree in a way that's not personal or unproductive.
6,600 disagreeable comments begs to differ. Other valued opinions like melodic metals are insightful rather than incite-ful. It’s absurd to claim disenfranchised alliances that lose to cheaters shouldn’t be compensated, but you tend to stand against the community. There was no “war” if an alliance modded. Therefore the losing alliance was damaged and missed out on shards for their time, effort and items. Not exactly game breaking to compensate out of fairness. Good grief.
I'm not standing against anyone. I'm saying I don't agree with Wins by default. I could care less how many Disagrees there are. It's just spammed like Flags. Some people make a job out of clicking it on anything people say. That's pretty much why it was added. People want to anonymously hate on others, they can have at it. Doesn't do anything.
Saying you don't agree with wins by default in this case is saying you think people that lose impossible contents to cheaters deserve the loss. Most of the world of gaming/sports disagrees.
Please just stop responding to this guy. It only makes him craft more posts specifically designed to crawl under someones skin. He is obviously not trying to have a conversation about the game. He is trying to find a way to make people waste their time by writing super long responses to him. Just don't do it. Tree falling in the woods people....
This is not true at all. I don't comment to incite any reaction. My thoughts are my own. Equally, I don't agree or disagree for the sake of doing it. My views are considered through my own thoughts and shared. I don't just argue to go against the status quo. I also don't agree just because everyone else agrees. This is a discussion. People will express their own thoughts and ideas. In a respectful conversation, people can agree or disagree in a respectful way. They don't have to see things eye-to-eye. They just have to disagree in a way that's not personal or unproductive.
6,600 disagreeable comments begs to differ. Other valued opinions like melodic metals are insightful rather than incite-ful. It’s absurd to claim disenfranchised alliances that lose to cheaters shouldn’t be compensated, but you tend to stand against the community. There was no “war” if an alliance modded. Therefore the losing alliance was damaged and missed out on shards for their time, effort and items. Not exactly game breaking to compensate out of fairness. Good grief.
I'm not standing against anyone. I'm saying I don't agree with Wins by default. I could care less how many Disagrees there are. It's just spammed like Flags. Some people make a job out of clicking it on anything people say. That's pretty much why it was added. People want to anonymously hate on others, they can have at it. Doesn't do anything.
Saying you don't agree with wins by default in this case is saying you think people that lose impossible contents to cheaters deserve the loss. Most of the world of gaming/sports disagrees.
The determination isn't that one side should have won and one side should have lost. They're not changing the outcomes of the War. They're reprimanding Allies for violating TOS. That's it. They're not saying one side is the loser because they cheated. Total misconception.
That’s the most broken and illogical way of thinking. Both the cheating alliance is being reprimanded and the loser is staying a loser because one side cheated. Because kabam failed to prevent the cheating, an alliance has lost AW season points and upwards of 30,000 5* shards. The “loser” didn’t lose, they put in the effort, cash and units to compete against another alliance that cheated them out of an opportunity to win. That’s why your way of thinking is broken. It’s assuming the non-cheating alliance ever had a chance at winning.
Being cheated out of an opportunity to win, as you put it, is not a reason to give a guaranteed Win. You can word it how you like, but I'm not going to agree with giving Wins by default because the other side was caught cheating.
I’m gonna go on a hunch here and say you don’t follow many sports otherwise you’d know if a competitor is disqualified the other person is awarded an automatic win
Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
I also feel that if an ally has had a cheater for multiple wars I.e like 3 (just so it’s not a case of they recruited someone and weren’t aware happened to one of my old allies) The entire ally should be excluded from season rewards I think then we will see a big movement to get rid of cheaters
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
If you don't think cheating is acceptable, then why do you refuse for players to auto-win if they fought a modded alliance. If the good alliance still loses, then what was the point of calling them out in the first place?
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
If you don't think cheating is acceptable, then why do you refuse for players to auto-win if they fought a modded alliance. If the good alliance still loses, then what was the point of calling them out in the first place?
There's a difference between thinking cheating is wrong and agreeing that people should be given Wins regardless of how they perform.
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
If you don't think cheating is acceptable, then why do you refuse for players to auto-win if they fought a modded alliance. If the good alliance still loses, then what was the point of calling them out in the first place?
There's a difference between thinking cheating is wrong and agreeing that people should be given Wins regardless of how they perform.
So you want them to still lose, even though they may have poured dozens of revives and potions on the quest? Giving them an auto win seems like fair compensation to me, and most of games.
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
If you don't think cheating is acceptable, then why do you refuse for players to auto-win if they fought a modded alliance. If the good alliance still loses, then what was the point of calling them out in the first place?
There's a difference between thinking cheating is wrong and agreeing that people should be given Wins regardless of how they perform.
So you want them to still lose, even though they may have poured dozens of revives and potions on the quest? Giving them an auto win seems like fair compensation to me, and most of games.
I'm not getting into the subject again. I don't want to see people default their way up the Leaderboard for the same reasons we don't want to see people cheat their way up.
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
If you don't think cheating is acceptable, then why do you refuse for players to auto-win if they fought a modded alliance. If the good alliance still loses, then what was the point of calling them out in the first place?
There's a difference between thinking cheating is wrong and agreeing that people should be given Wins regardless of how they perform.
So you want them to still lose, even though they may have poured dozens of revives and potions on the quest? Giving them an auto win seems like fair compensation to me, and most of games.
I'm not getting into the subject again. I don't want to see people default their way up the Leaderboard for the same reasons we don't want to see people cheat their way up.
Yes, that may happen in the first season or two. But afterwards people will get tired of modding and eventually quit, leaving little to no modders in a few months or so. Defaulting your way up will never happen, there aren't that much modders Lol.
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
I didn't say you were accepting of cheating. Your argument was that groups shouldn't be given a default win if the opponent is using mods and cheating, because you didn't like them defaulting and getting a win for not playing the war. My point is that the Bye system in war is literally defaulting, set up by kabam, where up to 3 groups a week can get a default and win for not playing due to the system. How is that acceptable, but groups through no fault of their own would get a default because the opponent cheated? The cause may be different but the outcome would be the same. It's kind of a weird hill to try and climb up when you're saying you don't like defaults (when they already exist for a few seasons now).
you say you don't want groups in this hypothetical system to climb up the leaderboard from defaulting, fair. But I would assume in that situation kabam would do something to counter that and make it more fair that it has been. I would say it's kind of shocking to see you not assume the same and trust kabam to make it right (if they did choose to implement another default into war like that). They came up with the Bye system to stop a problem that had been happening for a long time, why is it so hard to fathom they could address this problem in a similar fashion and make it so groups aren't taking advantage of it too?
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
I didn't say you were accepting of cheating. Your argument was that groups shouldn't be given a default win if the opponent is using mods and cheating, because you didn't like them defaulting and getting a win for not playing the war. My point is that the Bye system in war is literally defaulting, set up by kabam, where up to 3 groups a week can get a default and win for not playing due to the system. How is that acceptable, but groups through no fault of their own would get a default because the opponent cheated? The cause may be different but the outcome would be the same. It's kind of a weird hill to try and climb up when you're saying you don't like defaults (when they already exist for a few seasons now).
That's the solution Kabam has come up with for the system not allowing them to play at all. That's a bit different than playing and winning no matter how you score.
If you're going to try calling people out, you should probably get your facts straight. Winning is the same greedy motivation that compels people to cheat. Winning without earning it. Giving the Win without earning it is the same thing, without breaking rules.
Not to keep this going, but I would love if you would respond to my earlier comment in this thread about the "bye" system awarding groups with wins by default (up to 3 a week since it launched) and tell me how that is acceptable, but not this? It's getting something for not playing a war due to no fault of the alliance playing, it's just the circumstance that's different that leads to the default. Why is one acceptable while the other isn't, to you? I hesitated in responding but this was a few pages back and you're still repeating it and keeping it going.
At what point did I say any of the cheating is acceptable? I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
I didn't say you were accepting of cheating. Your argument was that groups shouldn't be given a default win if the opponent is using mods and cheating, because you didn't like them defaulting and getting a win for not playing the war. My point is that the Bye system in war is literally defaulting, set up by kabam, where up to 3 groups a week can get a default and win for not playing due to the system. How is that acceptable, but groups through no fault of their own would get a default because the opponent cheated? The cause may be different but the outcome would be the same. It's kind of a weird hill to try and climb up when you're saying you don't like defaults (when they already exist for a few seasons now).
That's the solution Kabam has come up with for the system not allowing them to play at all. That's a bit different than playing and winning no matter how you score.
Ok, but that's precedence. There was a problem with Alliance War that wasn't fair to groups playing, so kabam made a change and implemented a default system. Those groups tried to play and through no fault of their own, are given a win by kabam.
"That's a bit different than playing and winning no matter how you score."
Groups getting a bye = went into matchmaking and didn't get to play the war fairly and equally Groups facing cheaters = went into matchmaking and didn't get to play the war fairly and equally
It's not a huge logic jump here man. For all the grief I give kabam (for 4+ years now) I would argue many changes to the war SYSTEM itself have alleviated some of the huge problems with that game mode over the course of the seasons. I don't like the map nodes or difficulty ramp up personally, but I cannot say they haven't taken concrete steps to make it more fair and equitable. What we're discussing here is no different. Going after cheaters and making it fair for EVERYONE and including rewards to match that seems the most logical and fair position anyone who plays this could take. The means to get there may differ, but they've shown they can come up with good ideas or borrow from the playerbase suggestions.
Get matched and the opponent cheats? They get action taken and the group who faced them gets an auto win or points change to compensate. Kabam monitors it and makes sure no one is abusing it. Seems like a pretty simple change that would make a LOT of people happy.
Many things would make a lot of people happy. I don't necessarily agree with them. Entering Matchmaking and failing to find a Match is one thing. Playing and securing a guaranteed Win no matter how you played or scored is not something I support.
Many things would make a lot of people happy. I don't necessarily agree with them. Entering Matchmaking and failing to find a Match is one thing. Playing and securing a guaranteed Win no matter how you played or scored is not something I support.
The original problem is literally "playing and securing a guaranteed win no matter how you played" due to cheating. That's the actual issue here and the thing that needs addressed and has needed attention for YEARS now. Clearly what system is in place now isn't working. It's just weird to concentrate on the negative outcome for the groups on the other end to me. Not only are they not winning and have no hope to win against someone using mods, but may not realize it until well into the war, after using items and boosts. They're not getting those back either, and they're still taking the entire loss on an unequal playing field from the start of the war. That's what's not fair here. The hypothetical default (if they were to go that route) could be VERY encouraging for groups who have felt for years the deck has been stacked against them and the cheaters have been allowed to do their thing.
I guess in my mind "failing to find a match and not playing because of it" is equal to "never having a chance because the opponent is cheating so it's as if you didn't play at all, and you're not getting your items back anyway even if we adjust it." Both seem more fair that what is happening now.
Modding is at an all time high. Whatever method is being used against modders is not working.
The overall tone of this thread has been negative towards Kabam but they actually have done something since seasons started so SOME credit is due. I remember the first docking list was something around 100 alliances.
The issue here is that this isn't enough anymore and the timing/severity of the punishment just isn't working.
A points docking after 6-9 wars is a bit late and really leads to the fair groups getting docked with them in affect because they're losing points but in this case for playing fair. You can say whatever you want about it's not guaranteed whether they would have won or not without using mods but the fact remains they had to face an unwinnable war.
Regarding severity a points dock and potential 5-7 day ban isn't enough. These people and alliances just keep doing the same thing which is obvious by the leaderboard EVERY season. If we can't go with perma bans I think we have to AT LEAST start with a full season ban for the first offense and increase the penalty for repeat offenders ala the MLB's policy. In my eyes it should be one strike and you're out for modding considering nobody can accidentally mod, it's 100% intentional and against TOS.
The reality here is that we need something more than what is currently in place. A highly competitive game mode is being completely taken advantage of for 11 seasons now. I think really long bans can curb this behavior even more but probably won't completely nip it in the bud. These types of people will just go buy another high level account (also against TOS) and do it all over again. In my opinion the perma ban for first offenders of modding will eventually kill two TOS birds with one stone. At some point there just won't be enough high level accounts to be purchased and the cheaters can either give up, move onto another game or actually try and play fair.
I'm not opposed to bans with due process. I really think the solution is disqualification from Season Rewards. Once they realize it won't yield any Rewards, they'll likely stop. Perhaps move on to something else, but one fire at a time.
I'm not opposed to bans with due process. I really think the solution is disqualification from Season Rewards. Once they realize it won't yield any Rewards, they'll likely stop. Perhaps move on to something else, but one fire at a time.
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This is a slow moving game and player investment is insane:
Years of roster development
Years of learning
Thousands of hours grinding
Thousands on offers
...so some kid can waltz in with a hack and make it all a joke???
The only reason we play is because we think it's a fair game, but that's not the case anymore and you're doing nothing meaningful about it.
A simple dock at the end of a season won't do anything. The damage is already done to innocent teams, and it hasn't stopped the same hackers from doing it again the next season.
Anyone caught hacking or botting needs a permanent ban. Rehabilitation doesn't work.
These cheaters are your enemy because they're poisoning the well and killing your game from the inside out. You're crazy if you think anyone will spend on a champ so some twerp can run a mod and clear it in less than 20 seconds.
Hacking is a cancer that will kill any competitive game, and MCOC is no different. Once it reaches a certain level where it's too common, it becomes "one of those games" that no one touches because cheaters have tainted it.
Kabam, tell us what you're going to do about it.
Let's also note that if those that would cheat in AW were locked out for a Season, perhaps the next one would be fought on even ground. Seeing as how they couldn't join in, it would definitely lessen the chances of running into someone who's utilizing mods. Now I do to a certain extent agree that those who repeatedly utilize them, even after point docks and bans aren't likely to change.
However if the punishments changed, and scaled per repeated infraction (1st offense - 1 Season Ban; 2nd offense - 2 Season Ban; 3rd offense - 6 month AW Ban) they might be more inclined to stop doing it. However, after 3 offenses and 9 months total being locked out of AW... yeah, they'll never learn. At which time, adios MCoC privileges. What else can be done at that point?
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I did waste my time , my energy , but Kabam doesn't care of what's going in the game ! I sent them proof of Modding , sent them profiles of being people Cavaliers with rank 1 5* ! Snapshot of a guy we were facing in war having Ultron Omega with no good roster !
Man , am already loosing the interest in the game , don't want that to happen , but Can't Stop , Won't Stop ! I'll sure delete this game once we Face Modders in Aw again !
This game is now broken guys
Disagreeing with these concepts does not decrease their validity:
However in real life it is quite common for organizations to make details available to everyone to “set an example” and establish a precedent everyone will follow. This is HR 101, not game of thrones 😂
https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/program/Cooper-Applied-Behavior-Analysis-3rd-Edition/PGM1784647.html
Or better yet, here’re the cliff notes from the above text’s specific chapter on extinction. They’re identical to findings from my OP’s journal screenshot:
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AlLIWVJRrEUHkmSYwx1_ZdboK2FN
The entire ally should be excluded from season rewards I think then we will see a big movement to get rid of cheaters
I'm not talking about Compensation anymore. The subject is over and I've said my thoughts.
you say you don't want groups in this hypothetical system to climb up the leaderboard from defaulting, fair. But I would assume in that situation kabam would do something to counter that and make it more fair that it has been. I would say it's kind of shocking to see you not assume the same and trust kabam to make it right (if they did choose to implement another default into war like that). They came up with the Bye system to stop a problem that had been happening for a long time, why is it so hard to fathom they could address this problem in a similar fashion and make it so groups aren't taking advantage of it too?
"That's a bit different than playing and winning no matter how you score."
Groups getting a bye = went into matchmaking and didn't get to play the war fairly and equally
Groups facing cheaters = went into matchmaking and didn't get to play the war fairly and equally
It's not a huge logic jump here man. For all the grief I give kabam (for 4+ years now) I would argue many changes to the war SYSTEM itself have alleviated some of the huge problems with that game mode over the course of the seasons. I don't like the map nodes or difficulty ramp up personally, but I cannot say they haven't taken concrete steps to make it more fair and equitable. What we're discussing here is no different. Going after cheaters and making it fair for EVERYONE and including rewards to match that seems the most logical and fair position anyone who plays this could take. The means to get there may differ, but they've shown they can come up with good ideas or borrow from the playerbase suggestions.
Get matched and the opponent cheats? They get action taken and the group who faced them gets an auto win or points change to compensate. Kabam monitors it and makes sure no one is abusing it. Seems like a pretty simple change that would make a LOT of people happy.
Keeping the current way is not.
I guess in my mind "failing to find a match and not playing because of it" is equal to "never having a chance because the opponent is cheating so it's as if you didn't play at all, and you're not getting your items back anyway even if we adjust it." Both seem more fair that what is happening now.
The issue here is that this isn't enough anymore and the timing/severity of the punishment just isn't working.
A points docking after 6-9 wars is a bit late and really leads to the fair groups getting docked with them in affect because they're losing points but in this case for playing fair. You can say whatever you want about it's not guaranteed whether they would have won or not without using mods but the fact remains they had to face an unwinnable war.
Regarding severity a points dock and potential 5-7 day ban isn't enough. These people and alliances just keep doing the same thing which is obvious by the leaderboard EVERY season. If we can't go with perma bans I think we have to AT LEAST start with a full season ban for the first offense and increase the penalty for repeat offenders ala the MLB's policy. In my eyes it should be one strike and you're out for modding considering nobody can accidentally mod, it's 100% intentional and against TOS.
The reality here is that we need something more than what is currently in place. A highly competitive game mode is being completely taken advantage of for 11 seasons now. I think really long bans can curb this behavior even more but probably won't completely nip it in the bud. These types of people will just go buy another high level account (also against TOS) and do it all over again. In my opinion the perma ban for first offenders of modding will eventually kill two TOS birds with one stone. At some point there just won't be enough high level accounts to be purchased and the cheaters can either give up, move onto another game or actually try and play fair.