Upcoming Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw Balance Changes

Ayybird

I spent over 300 dollars just to get cull not including all the money I spent to finish quest and get the resources to rank him up and now you guys want to nerf him like you guys do with every champ that seems to be out performing or a threat to your wallet. I'm done. After this nerf I will be quiting this game you guys are just ridiculous

Tawli

Will it ever be Diablos turn?
:-(

striker_overlord22

"The goal of Cull’s rebalance is to make tuning changes that keeps Cull Obsidian as one of the top damage dealers in-game."

the other top damage dealers in game has utility besides the damage, Cull hasnt so whats wrong with him being the "top" that damage is all he has

ZEN

This is like pre 12.0 all over again. Nerfing She-Hulk and Cull is just only a beginning... If we let this one go. I wouldn't be surprise the next one will be Corvus, Nemor, Ghost, Domino, Blade and so on. They will never learn and will never will. It's a bait and switch tactics. I see a lot of naive players here that always listen to what kabam says. Despite numerous times lying in front of your face. Probably, a kabam employees, pretending to be a player. Or maybe not, just totally naive person. lol.

Bear3

It’s not about whether he should or shouldn’t be nerfed it’s about what people paid for. Wanna nerf him? Fine.. if think that’s balance... I don’t agree.. however compensation needs to be given. You guys made a fortune on cull and now you wanna change him. It’s doesnt even matter if you improve some things along with lowering his damage, people paid for what he was released as and that’s what they wanted... they didn’t pay for a balanced champion. They paid for the highest damage output champion who has average utility, no immunity and laughable block proficiency. He may still be great after the changes but he won’t be what people paid for, and that’s all that matters. Rank down tickets should be given... if he’s as great as you say he’ll be after the nerf? Then people won’t wanna use them since gonna still be great and all and it won’t hurt to issue them. Right? Exactly.

🐻

Supermanca

Cull has nothing going for him AT ALL except for the damage. Take away the damage and he is nothing, no immunity and crappy block proficiency. I was a bit short on Tier 2 alpha and was supposed to rank him up to R2 end of this AQ. Now he is never going up, plus I want my thousands of dollars back I spent on featured cavalier crystals.

ahsan73

what the hell . nerfing the champions again and again . first she hulk now cull .. we invest f- money in this game to get a desire champion. where is your QA engineers . where is your game tester at the time of update. we invest our time and money to get the rank up resources and when we rank up the champion you nerf them, well done kabam well done. shame on you

mufix

Not that I spend a lot, but from this day on I'll stop buying featured crystals. Buffing/Nerfing champs 3 (THREE) months after release is bad planning, development and testing. Nobody will rank up new champions from now on. We need to wait 3 months to see if there will be rebalancing. "Rank down tickets are not part of the game", but even if they were, what about all the money/units people spent to get that champion?

I'm writing this not because of the Cull nerf (I'm glad I didn't use those rankup gems and R5 him), but for all past and future champions. Releasing a new champion and make people spend money on crystals, and than rebalance that champion because of the "crazy/low damage" is a really bad move. People spend money for THAT champion, the champion you released and advertised. You will lose part of your player base. Or at least they will stop spending money.

Here's an idea: instead revisiting the champions, maybe revisit the team that works on them? Maybe do a better job next time and release balanced champions? Maybe change the rate of releasing new champions, because you obviously need more time to test them?

ahsan73

whats next now nerfing ghost and then quack and then corvas. nerf them once kabam. its your game kabam but it doesn't mean you do whatever you want to do with community . the game is running because community play this. if the community quit playing the game then you will be nerf

nolcuN

mufix said:

Buffing/Nerfing champs 3 (THREE) months after release is bad planning, development and testing. Nobody will rank up new champions from now on. We need to wait 3 months to see if there will be rebalancing.

But then, there will be no "Data" to evaluate the rebalancing on. If this goes on, maybe kabam should consider a probationary rank up feature that automatically resets the rank up after 3 month. Otherwise this is going nowhere.

ahsan73

let me tell you what should you do , Nerf , ghost then starky , then captain sparkels , the warlock, nerf all off them ...

Harry_hzy

I think the issue is not about cull, it is about the way kabam doing this business. Now kabam delivered a message to all the players that don’t spend any money to buy new champions because you don’t know what you are buying. Of course kabam can change everything because they already put in terms and conditions, but this kind of stupid change will destroy the paid players, no one wants to spend money to this game, is this kabam want?

mufix

nolcuN said:

But then, there will be no "Data" to evaluate the rebalancing on. If this goes on, maybe kabam should consider a probationary rank up feature that automatically resets the rank up after 3 month. Otherwise this is going nowhere.

"Probationary rank up feature" will just complicate things. The only solution is to do a proper testing before release. Nothing more. QA Team has the final say. If they give a green light, it will go live. The player base (aka client) should NOT test the product on live server.

They have QA Team, beta testers (chosen from the player base) and Content creator program. That should be enough.

dot_ditto

DNA3000 said:

You're just projecting your need for anyone who disagrees with you

who's projecting now? I have made no claims .. how can anyone "disagree with me" ?
LOL

I have made it clear, I hold no stance, because there is no data available to form an opinion ..
Forming an opinion without data is just silly .. period.
*shrug*

Lormif

Harry_hzy said:

I think the issue is not about cull, it is about the way kabam doing this business. Now kabam delivered a message to all the players that don’t spend any money to buy new champions because you don’t know what you are buying. Of course kabam can change everything because they already put in terms and conditions, but this kind of stupid change will destroy the paid players, no one wants to spend money to this game, is this kabam want?

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

Harry_hzy

Lormif said:

Harry_hzy said:

I think the issue is not about cull, it is about the way kabam doing this business. Now kabam delivered a message to all the players that don’t spend any money to buy new champions because you don’t know what you are buying. Of course kabam can change everything because they already put in terms and conditions, but this kind of stupid change will destroy the paid players, no one wants to spend money to this game, is this kabam want?

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

mufix，just said what I want to say：Releasing a new champion and make people spend money on crystals, and then rebalance that champion because of the "crazy/low damage" is a really bad move. People spend money for THAT champion, the champion you released and advertised.

nolcuN

mufix said:

nolcuN said:

But then, there will be no "Data" to evaluate the rebalancing on. If this goes on, maybe kabam should consider a probationary rank up feature that automatically resets the rank up after 3 month. Otherwise this is going nowhere.

"Probationary rank up feature" will just complicate things. The only solution is to do a proper testing before release. Nothing more. QA Team has the final say. If they give a green light, it will go live. The player base (aka client) should NOT test the product on live server.

They have QA Team, beta testers (chosen from the player base) and Content creator program. That should be enough.

I could agree with that as well. Just assumed that QA is not existent.

striker_overlord22

GroundedWisdom said:

Honestly, they haven't even started the rework yet (presumably), and people are going off the wall. All we know is the data has shown that his Damage is higher than any other Champ, so that will most likely change. We don't know how much, we don't know what else will come, all we know is he's changing. Is anyone else waiting to see, or are we all on fire? Lol.

Bottomline is kabam should leave him as it is, people reacts to this because they spend a lot just to get him - so respect that. Knowing kabam's past deed this sounds like a serious nerf.

dot_ditto

IDoge said:

My point... even though I said it dozens of times... was that cull deserves his nerf because his damage is too much.

Thank you for this very clear point.
Now please provide numbers to support it.

thank you.

mufix

Lormif said:

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

But if you spend +-$100 (or hard earned units) for that champion, rank him up, use awakening gem and sig stones and than after 3 months they nerf him, how would you feel? You will be glad that the game is balanced and more important than that champion?

Supermanca

Doing QA in Production that is just great.

Lormif

striker_overlord22 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Honestly, they haven't even started the rework yet (presumably), and people are going off the wall. All we know is the data has shown that his Damage is higher than any other Champ, so that will most likely change. We don't know how much, we don't know what else will come, all we know is he's changing. Is anyone else waiting to see, or are we all on fire? Lol.

Bottomline is kabam should leave him as it is, people reacts to this because they spend a lot just to get him - so respect that. Knowing kabam's past deed this sounds like a serious nerf.

So they should leave him like he is, and then break game balance to the point all new content has to be balanced around him? This is exactly the kind of thing that caused the 12.0 nerf, eventually he will have to be nerfed or it gets to a point where thsoe who do not have him are at a sever disadvantage.

Lormif

mufix said:

Lormif said:

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

But if you spend +-$100 (or hard earned units) for that champion, rank him up, use awakening gem and sig stones and than after 3 months they nerf him, how would you feel? You will be glad that the game is balanced and more important than that champion?

It has happened to me multiple times, domino, SS, and others. I feel fine, I dont overreact, and in those cases I understood their concerns, just like here. I dont want my champions to get to the point where they cause others to either have them or be unable to do content because they are lacking the champ.

M_virk said:

Lormif said:

Harry_hzy said:

I think the issue is not about cull, it is about the way kabam doing this business. Now kabam delivered a message to all the players that don’t spend any money to buy new champions because you don’t know what you are buying. Of course kabam can change everything because they already put in terms and conditions, but this kind of stupid change will destroy the paid players, no one wants to spend money to this game, is this kabam want?

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

If they want to balance a champ that they think is "OP" (which cull is not) then do it within the first week of the champion being released. There is no excuse for them to wait this long.

In order to do that they have to know within a week that he is OK, and yes there are plenty of reasons to wait this long.

Midknight007

Lormif said:

Harry_hzy said:

I think the issue is not about cull, it is about the way kabam doing this business. Now kabam delivered a message to all the players that don’t spend any money to buy new champions because you don’t know what you are buying. Of course kabam can change everything because they already put in terms and conditions, but this kind of stupid change will destroy the paid players, no one wants to spend money to this game, is this kabam want?

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

Cull does not unbalance the game for anyone except Kabam and their ability to do damage to the player on solo content. You hardly ever see Cull on AW defense... He is too easy too evade and will not have any ramp up. He shines in AW Offense, but the player does need to spend on pots the first couple fights sometimes. In later fights, he can clear nodes easier, but you still need a skilled player behind the Cull to done mini-bosses and bosses in AQ.

The only unbalance is versus Kabam's EQ material. That is not truly unbalanced, and the fact they have to figure ways to work around Cull is evidence that they should have tested Champs a lot more before releasing them. THese champions are not made in a month, they are planned several months in advance. That is why we get a wallpaper of the State of the Battlerealm with question marks at the beginning of the year. They know who the champions will be and start mapping out their skills and abilities long before they are released. Not to mention the CCP also helps them acquire data long before the Champ's official release. They need to be more proactive early in the release and not after a champs release and people wasted time and money to acquire them. if anything, it is unbalanced to the players that worked hard towards acquiring something.

Lormif

M_virk said:

Lormif said:

mufix said:

Lormif said:

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

But if you spend +-$100 (or hard earned units) for that champion, rank him up, use awakening gem and sig stones and than after 3 months they nerf him, how would you feel? You will be glad that the game is balanced and more important than that champion?

It has happened to me multiple times, domino, SS, and others. I feel fine, I dont overreact, and in those cases I understood their concerns, just like here. I dont want my champions to get to the point where they cause others to either have them or be unable to do content because they are lacking the champ.

M_virk said:

Lormif said:

Harry_hzy said:

I think the issue is not about cull, it is about the way kabam doing this business. Now kabam delivered a message to all the players that don’t spend any money to buy new champions because you don’t know what you are buying. Of course kabam can change everything because they already put in terms and conditions, but this kind of stupid change will destroy the paid players, no one wants to spend money to this game, is this kabam want?

I disagree, because I see the game being balanced as more important than individual champions. With this change I know that if I buy a champion that champion will not necessarily be made useless by newer champions.

If they want to balance a champ that they think is "OP" (which cull is not) then do it within the first week of the champion being released. There is no excuse for them to wait this long.

In order to do that they have to know within a week that he is OK, and yes there are plenty of reasons to wait this long.

You're telling me that majority of the community is aware of culls damage within the first week with all videos and talk about him but kabam is soo out of touch with their community that they aren't aware of it?
Lol.....they are just waiting for people spend money. That's the only reason there is. Greed.

So you expect them to have the same knee jerk response that you do? I would rather them have a logical response to gather all data and go from there, which from what they are saying is what they did.