As much as people think the game has been broken at times, I don't think they quite understand the degree of which it could be much worse, or the effect of just leaving things that are detrimental because people like them. Doing that over time would result in a catastrophic mess.
While I agree with game balances like the shehulk nerf or whatever people want to call it where I disagree is with how these are done. Kabam hyped shehulk and a player who beat the champion with a low level version. If not for that hype many would not have ranked her. Then they throw a 1 line comment in the patch notes about fixing her after she has preformed this way since her release. Why not just say they have seen how this mechanic has been abused and are closing a loophole on the forum. Be transparent. The changes to champ descriptions. Well they either said they were working on a fix or ignored threads before saying we don't feel a need to change the champ we are changing the description. Again say you are looking at data to see if this ability would be op from the start. Now this balance issue. They released multiple crystals (which they made bank off of ) then drop a rebalancing thread. Things like these have given players a sense of mistrust towards the game team. There has also been a few mod posts that have come across as a bit snarky lately in threads as well as the removal of threads and posts that have added to the player base feeling the company really doesn't care about the player base. Players are feeling like they cant trust anything in the game or the kabam voices (mods) on the forums
There's already a Thread open on the subject. They were either removed or merged because that's their job on the Forum. They wouldn't be if people would read the rules and post according to those.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
There are hundreds thousands way to rebalance the game without hurt the players who spend lots of money to get and rank up new champions. This is not about one cull nerf, it is the way how kabam to solve the problem. How many people have this champion? How many of them use cull everyday every fight? If this is the way kabam solve the issue, there will be no one spend money. Cull nerf before for the bug, everyone understand, so there is no complaints and no argument, but this time is different. This time is Kabam told us, we didn’t test properly, so your guys just wasted hundreds thousands dollar, we don’t care. We use the most simple way to “fix” our mistake. For the players spend lots of money, you are just stupid, everyone shouldn’t spend money anymore, this kind of mistake may happen frequently later. You don’t know what the champions you are buying. That is why players disappointed and angry.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
I've been thinking about this. If they want his top damage, when he has 10 charges and armor breaks, to be in line with other champs they are going to either hit his damage significantly or his armor breaks significantly. A 10 percent reduction with his attack won't do much. I mean really if they take 250k damage down to 210k damage is that really helping anything? So if the neuter his armor breaks or Cap the limit that's a pretty big change. I hope they don't ruin him completely.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
This approach (disclaimer included), in your opinion, is an effective model in terms of inspiring confidence in players to work hard for rewards, spend money on offers for rank up materials, and dedicate countless hours in order to progress by ranking up champs in a game that may suddenly change and undermine your dedication to it at any moment?
Or is it your stance that it is the player’s fault for trying to progress at all, and being upset when that progress is inhibited to some degree? After all, there is a disclaimer.
You subscribe to this model in favor of the “health” of the game.
There’s a major contradiction in here. I’ll let you discover it if you are willing.
“We do understand why people are upset”
Intriguing choice of pronoun.
Yes. We being the people who aren't wielding pitchforks. I'm not going to continually affirm that I don't work for Kabam so that old accusation can die.
Care to take a shot at answering the question?
Transparency is about building trust. They've been transparent. People can conjecture that they knew all along and sold the Crystal's anyway, yadda yadda yadda, but as far as we can see, they're letting us know 3 months in advance. Building trust is about honesty. Not bending to our will. Sorry to say, but there are some decisions that will have to come to pass whether people want them to or not.
They already sold their product lmao
That's right. Just like they sold it all along, with every change that was necessary. Selling Items and Champs isn't going to prevent them from making decisions that are for the future of the game. Tell me, how long do you think the game would survive if they just left every problem because people paid to use it?
Except it isnt a problem...and if you wanna change a problem due to a mistake you made then provide the correct compensation.
They haven't even changed anything yet. Much less looked at what they're going to do. All we have is a notice in the name of being upfront that some kind of change will be made. That's it.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Here’s the thing, man. I’m not sure how to break this to you....not that you would accept it anyway, but:
I have 5/65 Ghost, Corvus, Omega, Domino, Ægon, Blade, Stark Spidey... it goes on.
I’ve explored everything in this game except for all of 6.2.
I have a highly ranked Cull.
There are champs who crush Cull in terms of viability, DPS, versatility, and downright ability to cover every single mode of gameplay.
You are wrong. The “data” is wrong. The method for evaluation is wrong. The respect for the people who buy this product is lacking.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
This approach (disclaimer included), in your opinion, is an effective model in terms of inspiring confidence in players to work hard for rewards, spend money on offers for rank up materials, and dedicate countless hours in order to progress by ranking up champs in a game that may suddenly change and undermine your dedication to it at any moment?
Or is it your stance that it is the player’s fault for trying to progress at all, and being upset when that progress is inhibited to some degree? After all, there is a disclaimer.
You subscribe to this model in favor of the “health” of the game.
There’s a major contradiction in here. I’ll let you discover it if you are willing.
“We do understand why people are upset”
Intriguing choice of pronoun.
Yes. We being the people who aren't wielding pitchforks. I'm not going to continually affirm that I don't work for Kabam so that old accusation can die.
Care to take a shot at answering the question?
Transparency is about building trust. They've been transparent. People can conjecture that they knew all along and sold the Crystal's anyway, yadda yadda yadda, but as far as we can see, they're letting us know 3 months in advance. Building trust is about honesty. Not bending to our will. Sorry to say, but there are some decisions that will have to come to pass whether people want them to or not.
You are right. Transparency is about building trust. But looking at this thread as well as the previous threads for shehulk sym supreme and domino to name a few how much trust have they built? How transparent have they really been? To the crystal argument maybe it was just a coincidence that they rereleased the cull crystal just a few days before this announcement but that's pretty similar to the awakening /rankup offers they did right before 12.0. The community has been on edge with how much they trust kabam for some time and nothing they have done recently has helped to build back that trust. Just the opposite since now players have to wonder when the next overhyped champ's rebalancing will come and how badly it will affect them. The cull rebalancing is extremely difficult to understand for many being he has as counters already existing in game as well as his own low block proficiency. Again I agree with game balance but if they want to build trust why not come back into the thread with more information on this balance. All they have said is they will be lowering his damage output which is his only real mechanic as a champ. Give the community some idea of what they are considering for balance. Without his high damage he would be more useless than iron patriot.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
This approach (disclaimer included), in your opinion, is an effective model in terms of inspiring confidence in players to work hard for rewards, spend money on offers for rank up materials, and dedicate countless hours in order to progress by ranking up champs in a game that may suddenly change and undermine your dedication to it at any moment?
Or is it your stance that it is the player’s fault for trying to progress at all, and being upset when that progress is inhibited to some degree? After all, there is a disclaimer.
You subscribe to this model in favor of the “health” of the game.
There’s a major contradiction in here. I’ll let you discover it if you are willing.
“We do understand why people are upset”
Intriguing choice of pronoun.
Yes. We being the people who aren't wielding pitchforks. I'm not going to continually affirm that I don't work for Kabam so that old accusation can die.
Care to take a shot at answering the question?
Transparency is about building trust. They've been transparent. People can conjecture that they knew all along and sold the Crystal's anyway, yadda yadda yadda, but as far as we can see, they're letting us know 3 months in advance. Building trust is about honesty. Not bending to our will. Sorry to say, but there are some decisions that will have to come to pass whether people want them to or not.
You are right. Transparency is about building trust. But looking at this thread as well as the previous threads for shehulk sym supreme and domino to name a few how much trust have they built? How transparent have they really been? To the crystal argument maybe it was just a coincidence that they rereleased the cull crystal just a few days before this announcement but that's pretty similar to the awakening /rankup offers they did right before 12.0. The community has been on edge with how much they trust kabam for some time and nothing they have done recently has helped to build back that trust. Just the opposite since now players have to wonder when the next overhyped champ's rebalancing will come and how badly it will affect them. The cull rebalancing is extremely difficult to understand for many being he has as counters already existing in game as well as his own low block proficiency. Again I agree with game balance but if they want to build trust why not come back into the thread with more information on this balance. All they have said is they will be lowering his damage output which is his only real mechanic as a champ. Give the community some idea of what they are considering for balance. Without his high damage he would be more useless than iron patriot.
They don't know yet most likely because they haven't begun. At least that's what I assume from the response that it will take about 3 months. When the time comes, I'm sure they will let us know.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
If he was balanced enough, we wouldn't be in this Thread discussing it.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
If he was balanced enough, we wouldn't be in this Thread discussing it.
No we are in this thread because Kabam isn't being realistic, their mindset is "High Damage must nerf" they don't think about how impractical Cull actually is and how limited he is in deeper content showing how flawed their evaluation actually is
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
If he was balanced enough, we wouldn't be in this Thread discussing it.
People spent so much money buying crystals to try and get this champion for what it was. How fair do you think it is for someone to pay for something then have it made useless.
Even if Cull is unbalanced there are many champions who are much better in every way. There's no rhyme or reason to who Kabam is gonna nerf.
After kabam nerfs Cull I want 8 tier 5 catalyst and 14 tier 2 alphas and 18 tier 4 Class Catalyst Crystals . 6,000 units. 2 6 star crystals, 1 6 star featured crystal and 10 5 star featured crystals as compensation I BELIEVE I DESERVE IT 100% #Pissed
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
If he was balanced enough, we wouldn't be in this Thread discussing it.
Laughable. This shows a serious disregard for logic. It is poorly argued. I promise I do not mean that as an insult. Merely pointing out the blatantly fallacious nature of such an assumption. The reason this thread exists, and the only reason it exists, is because they say he is unbalanced. This does not make it true. The evidence is there.
People wouldn’t be arguing that the Earth is flat unless it is. People wouldn’t be arguing that vaccines cause autism on various forums unless it did.
You dabble in some dangerous black and whites. Scary stuff.
That puts an abrupt end to any further discussion.
Take care.
Actually I call it stating the obvious. If Kabam felt he was balanced, they never would have made the Announcement concerning him. This isn't some arbitrary thing they pulled out of their hats. They're not just making frivolous changes. If they say he's doing more than any other higher-end Champ, that's very indicative of the fact that they find that imbalanced.
Sly attempt at a redo there, but that’s not what you said. You said, quite matter of factly, that we wouldn’t be discussing it on this thread if he was balanced. I implore you to at least try and understand the problems with this statement.
Why do you presume to know their motivations? It’s absolutely arbitrary. Are you being serious right now? They are the ones who designed the game. Everything is arbitrary.
Once again, just because they find it unbalanced does not mean that it is. For some reason this needs repeating. This is their business. They are inherently biased. How is this not obvious to you? Truly baffling.
I’ve played all this content with all these champions. Myself, along with many of the most known players in the community all agree that this is based on flawed data. Thousands upon thousands of hours of gameplay across all modes from elite players.
Ask yourself a question... And I’m being sincere. Think about it intensely.
In your life, do you care that what you believe in is true? If so, how exactly do you go about determining what is true and what is not?
Think about it.
Redo? Not at all. I said what I said, and I explained where it was coming from. I'm not sure what you're talking about when going into existential "true", but I believe what they're saying is true. Yes.
Well, I’ve played with all of the champions, so I don’t need to believe anything. I know it isn’t true. Can you say that?
You know what would help? Clarification! What is the criteria for evaluation? What exactly is the data that is being assessed? Is it consistent? Who exactly is processing the data, and when are the conclusions made? At what point does the red flag wave to indicate the need for change? Does the community have some standard with which to gauge these methods? Why not?
None of these things seem to matter to you. You are satisfied with belief. Unfortunately, I suspect your version of the truth is going to disappoint you greatly at some point in your life. I sure hope not, but good luck.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
If he was balanced enough, we wouldn't be in this Thread discussing it.
Laughable. This shows a serious disregard for logic. It is poorly argued. I promise I do not mean that as an insult. Merely pointing out the blatantly fallacious nature of such an assumption. The reason this thread exists, and the only reason it exists, is because they say he is unbalanced. This does not make it true. The evidence is there.
People wouldn’t be arguing that the Earth is flat unless it is. People wouldn’t be arguing that vaccines cause autism on various forums unless it did.
You dabble in some dangerous black and whites. Scary stuff.
That puts an abrupt end to any further discussion.
Take care.
Actually I call it stating the obvious. If Kabam felt he was balanced, they never would have made the Announcement concerning him. This isn't some arbitrary thing they pulled out of their hats. They're not just making frivolous changes. If they say he's doing more than any other higher-end Champ, that's very indicative of the fact that they find that imbalanced.
Sly attempt at a redo there, but that’s not what you said. You said, quite matter of factly, that we wouldn’t be discussing it on this thread if he was balanced. I implore you to at least try and understand the problems with this statement.
Why do you presume to know their motivations? It’s absolutely arbitrary. Are you being serious right now? They are the ones who designed the game. Everything is arbitrary.
Once again, just because they find it unbalanced does not mean that it is. For some reason this needs repeating. This is their business. They are inherently biased. How is this not obvious to you? Truly baffling.
I’ve played all this content with all these champions. Myself, along with many of the most known players in the community all agree that this is based on flawed data. Thousands upon thousands of hours of gameplay across all modes from elite players.
Ask yourself a question... And I’m being sincere. Think about it intensely.
In your life, do you care that what you believe in is true? If so, how exactly do you go about determining what is true and what is not?
Think about it.
Redo? Not at all. I said what I said, and I explained where it was coming from. I'm not sure what you're talking about when going into existential "true", but I believe what they're saying is true. Yes.
Well, I’ve played with all of the champions, so I don’t need to believe anything. I know it isn’t true. Can you say that?
You know what would help? Clarification! What is the criteria for evaluation? What exactly is the data that is being assessed? Is it consistent? Who exactly is processing the data, and when are the conclusions made? At what point does the red flag wave to indicate the need for change? Does the community have some standard with which to gauge these methods? Why not?
None of these things seem to matter to you. You are satisfied with belief. Unfortunately, I suspect your version of the truth is going to disappoint you greatly at some point in your life. I sure hope not, but good luck.
So because you've played with the Champ in your own experience, and your own level of progress, you've determined that the balance THEY are trying to achieve is already present, and their data is either incorrect, or incorrectly being processed.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Counter what? You're arguing he's bad in areas, and their comment was that his Damage was more than others. They didn't claim he was good at everything.
Exactly he is balanced enough you know how rare it is to actually reach his high damage potential due to all these counters
If he was balanced enough, we wouldn't be in this Thread discussing it.
Laughable. This shows a serious disregard for logic. It is poorly argued. I promise I do not mean that as an insult. Merely pointing out the blatantly fallacious nature of such an assumption. The reason this thread exists, and the only reason it exists, is because they say he is unbalanced. This does not make it true. The evidence is there.
People wouldn’t be arguing that the Earth is flat unless it is. People wouldn’t be arguing that vaccines cause autism on various forums unless it did.
You dabble in some dangerous black and whites. Scary stuff.
That puts an abrupt end to any further discussion.
Take care.
Actually I call it stating the obvious. If Kabam felt he was balanced, they never would have made the Announcement concerning him. This isn't some arbitrary thing they pulled out of their hats. They're not just making frivolous changes. If they say he's doing more than any other higher-end Champ, that's very indicative of the fact that they find that imbalanced.
Sly attempt at a redo there, but that’s not what you said. You said, quite matter of factly, that we wouldn’t be discussing it on this thread if he was balanced. I implore you to at least try and understand the problems with this statement.
Why do you presume to know their motivations? It’s absolutely arbitrary. Are you being serious right now? They are the ones who designed the game. Everything is arbitrary.
Once again, just because they find it unbalanced does not mean that it is. For some reason this needs repeating. This is their business. They are inherently biased. How is this not obvious to you? Truly baffling.
I’ve played all this content with all these champions. Myself, along with many of the most known players in the community all agree that this is based on flawed data. Thousands upon thousands of hours of gameplay across all modes from elite players.
Ask yourself a question... And I’m being sincere. Think about it intensely.
In your life, do you care that what you believe in is true? If so, how exactly do you go about determining what is true and what is not?
Think about it.
Redo? Not at all. I said what I said, and I explained where it was coming from. I'm not sure what you're talking about when going into existential "true", but I believe what they're saying is true. Yes.
Well, I’ve played with all of the champions, so I don’t need to believe anything. I know it isn’t true. Can you say that?
You know what would help? Clarification! What is the criteria for evaluation? What exactly is the data that is being assessed? Is it consistent? Who exactly is processing the data, and when are the conclusions made? At what point does the red flag wave to indicate the need for change? Does the community have some standard with which to gauge these methods? Why not?
None of these things seem to matter to you. You are satisfied with belief. Unfortunately, I suspect your version of the truth is going to disappoint you greatly at some point in your life. I sure hope not, but good luck.
So because you've played with the Champ in your own experience, and your own level of progress, you've determined that the balance THEY are trying to achieve is already present, and their data is either incorrect, or incorrectly being processed.
What is the balance they are trying to achieve exactly? Through what methods and data are they achieving it? Do we get any insight into this?
Can you answer that? No. You can’t, because this information is not made available to you.
What I do have to go on is my actual experience with all of this over thousands of hours. Interestingly, thousands of players are finding the same conclusions.
How is this possible? We’re not arguing against a Cull nerf simply because we have him, and he is a top ten game dominator, because HE ISN’T.
The next two Champions to get the rebalance treatment will be Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw. These balance updates will be limited to the tuning and balancing of a Champion's existing kit, abilities won’t be added or removed.
Ronin:
We’ve taken a look at Ronin’s performance and are happy with his both his performance and his abilities. We will not be making any balance changes to Ronin at this time.
Cull Obsidian:
After looking at our data across all the game modes we have determined that Cull Obsidian is out damaging every other high-damage Champion in the game. While he does have his limiting factors, once he's fully ramped up he is able to end fights before even high-level Opponents can do any meaningful damage to him.
The goal of Cull’s rebalance is to make tuning changes that keeps Cull Obsidian as one of the top damage dealers in-game.
Ebony Maw:
You said it and we saw it in the data. Although Ebony Maw is a decent Defender, he is underperforming as an Attacker (the designer said something about his Degeneration DPS being just sad and wrong).
We are looking to boost both his defensive and offensive potential, but with an emphasis on offense.
Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw’s balance changes should be live in approximately 3 months.
You said it and we saw it. Then kindly look into Falcon. I duped that sucker for 3 times and kindly give him a buff which might do some justice. I’ve never played any of the above champs but kindly reconsider your view on Falcon.
the 2,3 people like Lormif stop fighting for kabam, maybe you work for kabam, I don’t know. Your guys may still don’t understand why we are upset and disappointed? It is not about one champion nerf, or how to test or the data thing. It is about kabam is trying so hard to screw themselves and destroy this game. Players like me, why we disagree this idea? Because we like this game, we don’t want to see players abandon this game because kabam’s stupid decision. This decision is ridiculers, the one in kabam who made this decision is 100% no business sense. They are trying to make players know all the money we spend is for nothing. Players paid money for THAT CHAMPION KABAM SHOW TO US. Show some respect to the players, listen what we think and what we want.
Just the opposite actually. They're not trying to destroy it. They're keeping it going. We do understand why people are upset. No one to the best of my knowledge has made the argument that people shouldn't feel a certain way. While I can't speak for anyone else, my point is there are things which are necessary for the health of the game. Those must be resolved. For that matter, there's no guarantee that a Champion will be the same as when you acquire them for the duration of the game, ever. In fact, they make the very clear stipulation that they have the right to modify their product whenever necessary.
see, you still don’t understand. What is the health game you are keep saying? I think more player want to spend money, then kabam can make money, then maybe they wants to use some profit to develop this game, that is health game. If most players don’t spend money anymore or abandon this game, what is the point of balance or game health
If they don't resolve problems that will break the game down the road, there isn't anything left to spend on. The health of the game isn't about money.
Cull won't break the game down the road he would probably last like 2 fight before you have to revive him
Who's to say what will and will not break the game? Only them. They're the ones with the goals, the data, and the experience on this particular game. I was speaking in the general sense, not necessarily saying he's going to break the game. Having a Champ that does much more Damage than other Top Champs has an effect later on. One that creates much more work for them, and less balance for the rest of us.
Kabam has still never disclosed what too much damage is because from what I've seen Cull ain't the only Champ who can hit extremely high numbers so what are they even getting at here let alone of his weakness like fisticuffs, limber, bleed, poison, etc.
Apparently, they have disclosed that too much is what he's doing, and that's a comparative analysis towards what others do. As to whether that's too much total, or too much too fast, I'm unsure.
There is no way it's too much too fast since there are way more other Champs that can get extremely high numbers way faster than Cull and even in total he is similar to numerous Champs like namor, nick fury, domino, or even hela I wouldnt say he out damages any of them as all of them share similar numbers damage wise
I mean we can argue ad nauseam that he isn't really that strong, but they obviously have the numbers to prove it, and we know many people Ranked him for the very same reasons, so all evidence points to the data being accurate.
Those numbers are irrelevant when you put Cull in a realistic situation no way he is destroying Champs in act 6. All they do is analyze the numbers but not the situations that he is in so it's not a fair evaluation
The numbers aren't irrelevant at all. That's the very gauge they're using. What you're saying is he's not too much because you can't use him for one piece of content. Not at all what this is about. This is about the fact that he's out damaging any other Champ among the Top.
It's not just one piece of content he is bad at he is bad in most of the variants against certain nodes he is also roadblocked in some of the paths in this EQ and so on so it's not just one piece of content
Cull is 'bad'? How long have you played this game?
If Cull is broken, then buckle your seatbelts, because everything you worked for over the last 5 years is about to be altered, or taken away.
LOL .. how do you reach that conclusion? Over-reaching much?
Easily, based on what we’ve been presented with. They view Cull as broken and in need of tuning. The actual facts are that there are numerous other champs who put Cull’s ability to clear difficult content to shame. The logical conclusion is that if he is getting altered, so are the champs more powerful than him. I didn’t think this was a radical leap in understanding, but apparently for some it is.
If Cull is broken, then buckle your seatbelts, because everything you worked for over the last 5 years is about to be altered, or taken away.
LOL .. how do you reach that conclusion? Over-reaching much?
Easily, based on what we’ve been presented with. They view Cull as broken and in need of tuning. The actual facts are that there are numerous other champs who put Cull’s ability to clear difficult content to shame. The logical conclusion is that if he is getting altered, so are the champs more powerful than him. I didn’t think this was a radical leap in understanding, but apparently for some it is.
Um, no? They're only re-adjusting recent champs going forward. They've said nothing about old champs getting nerfed.
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There are hundreds thousands way to rebalance the game without hurt the players who spend lots of money to get and rank up new champions. This is not about one cull nerf, it is the way how kabam to solve the problem. How many people have this champion? How many of them use cull everyday every fight? If this is the way kabam solve the issue, there will be no one spend money. Cull nerf before for the bug, everyone understand, so there is no complaints and no argument, but this time is different. This time is Kabam told us, we didn’t test properly, so your guys just wasted hundreds thousands dollar, we don’t care. We use the most simple way to “fix” our mistake. For the players spend lots of money, you are just stupid, everyone shouldn’t spend money anymore, this kind of mistake may happen frequently later. You don’t know what the champions you are buying. That is why players disappointed and angry.
I have 5/65 Ghost, Corvus, Omega, Domino, Ægon, Blade, Stark Spidey... it goes on.
I’ve explored everything in this game except for all of 6.2.
I have a highly ranked Cull.
There are champs who crush Cull in terms of viability, DPS, versatility, and downright ability to cover every single mode of gameplay.
You are wrong. The “data” is wrong. The method for evaluation is wrong. The respect for the people who buy this product is lacking.
That’s how I KNOW, and you don’t. Period.
Your argument holds little merit.
Even if Cull is unbalanced there are many champions who are much better in every way. There's no rhyme or reason to who Kabam is gonna nerf.
You know what would help? Clarification! What is the criteria for evaluation? What exactly is the data that is being assessed? Is it consistent? Who exactly is processing the data, and when are the conclusions made? At what point does the red flag wave to indicate the need for change? Does the community have some standard with which to gauge these methods? Why not?
None of these things seem to matter to you. You are satisfied with belief. Unfortunately, I suspect your version of the truth is going to disappoint you greatly at some point in your life. I sure hope not, but good luck.
Can you answer that? No. You can’t, because this information is not made available to you.
What I do have to go on is my actual experience with all of this over thousands of hours. Interestingly, thousands of players are finding the same conclusions.
How is this possible? We’re not arguing against a Cull nerf simply because we have him, and he is a top ten game dominator, because HE ISN’T.
Man...this sure is fun, but ultimately futile.