15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread

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  • Jon8299Jon8299 Member Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    I don't know why people ranked up champs that are only good for defense. I ranked my champs for attack or questing and those who can be used on attack and defense. Magik is a great example of a champ that can do both, Agent Venom, Red Hulk (I use him for AWD to help with synergy, does get kills, and I use him for questing). I don't want RDTs, I wouldn't rank down anyone I have.
  • andrade5184andrade5184 Member Posts: 307 ★★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    I don't know why people ranked up champs that are only good for defense. I ranked my champs for attack or questing and those who can be used on attack and defense. Magik is a great example of a champ that can do both, Agent Venom, Red Hulk (I use him for AWD to help with synergy, does get kills, and I use him for questing). I don't want RDTs, I wouldn't rank down anyone I have.

    the answer is simple to win wars that had defender kills now that there are no defender kills you can not win wars with those champs. everyone at my stage of the game r5 there aq attack team and aw attack team then they r5 5 of the best DEFENDERS available to make war that used to be skilled based easier to achieve victory all u guys who say you only rank champs that are good on both aq and aw are either lieing or didnt give a damn about helping your ally. cause no one in here would say im going to rank my nitecrawler instead of my arc angel for attack
  • Jon8299Jon8299 Member Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.
  • andrade5184andrade5184 Member Posts: 307 ★★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides
  • PhantomPhantom Member Posts: 228
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    Yes. Diversity is only an issue when the offenses tie. But AW is relatively easy now. Most alliances fully explore each map. 100% ties with 100%, so Diversity does make a big difference.
  • UC439UC439 Member Posts: 261
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    I don't know why people ranked up champs that are only good for defense. I ranked my champs for attack or questing and those who can be used on attack and defense. Magik is a great example of a champ that can do both, Agent Venom, Red Hulk (I use him for AWD to help with synergy, does get kills, and I use him for questing). I don't want RDTs, I wouldn't rank down anyone I have.

    name me 5 champions that are equally TOP choices for both offense & defense.

    Not any "maybe" or "canbe" used. They have to be TOP choices for both the scenarios.
  • Jon8299Jon8299 Member Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    UC439 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    I don't know why people ranked up champs that are only good for defense. I ranked my champs for attack or questing and those who can be used on attack and defense. Magik is a great example of a champ that can do both, Agent Venom, Red Hulk (I use him for AWD to help with synergy, does get kills, and I use him for questing). I don't want RDTs, I wouldn't rank down anyone I have.

    name me 5 champions that are equally TOP choices for both offense & defense.

    Not any "maybe" or "canbe" used. They have to be TOP choices for both the scenarios.

    Magik, Nightcrawler, Hyperion, Hulk, Mordo, Iceman. I gave you 6, you can use them to attack or defend.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    Hulkbuster is also god-tier champ as well
  • AnonymousAnonymous Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    I'm just kidding
  • AnonymousAnonymous Member Posts: 508 ★★★
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    Best defender of all time. No question
  • MuncelMuncel Member Posts: 7
    Does anyone think Kabam implemented recent changes in order to be more fair to players, rather than increasing their revenue? As far as I can tell, this is about Kabam making money. Yes, while recent changes to diversity and rating will cause people to spend more money ranking up new champs (let's not be naive about Kabam's motives), those changes run the risk of making AW totally uninteresting and ostracizing the [up until now] biggest spenders.

    So I'm curious if enough people, especially those who play the game for AQ and AW, begin leaving this game, will Kabam actually see a decrease in revenue?
  • XroxfistXroxfist Member Posts: 18
    What it does is make it so that no matter what the highest rating team automatically wins was long as both sides clear All and if both sides play intelligently. It’s a horrible set up. One team could clear with zero deaths and lose to a team who cleared with 1347 deaths simply because their defenders weren’t the same rating.
  • R4GER4GE Member Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Muncel wrote: »
    Does anyone think Kabam implemented recent changes in order to be more fair to players, rather than increasing their revenue? As far as I can tell, this is about Kabam making money. Yes, while recent changes to diversity and rating will cause people to spend more money ranking up new champs (let's not be naive about Kabam's motives), those changes run the risk of making AW totally uninteresting and ostracizing the [up until now] biggest spenders.

    So I'm curious if enough people, especially those who play the game for AQ and AW, begin leaving this game, will Kabam actually see a decrease in revenue?

    Of course everything they create is a means to make money. I don't think this was a scenario of bad intentions to force money though, that would just be bad business and stop people from spending.

    I'm sure new content was created in hopes of creating more enjoyment. In turn, people would enjoy the game and be willing to spend money on it.

    Unfortunately, they just dropped the ball here and a lot of mistakes and poor choices were made
  • Jon8299Jon8299 Member Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    edited September 2017
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Of course it's easier. We have the Resources to Max 5*s on the horizon, as well as 6*s eventually. Put them on amped Nodes and the difficulty multiplies.
  • XroxfistXroxfist Member Posts: 18
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.
  • R4GER4GE Member Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Of course it's easier. We have the Resources to Max 5*s on the horizon, as well as 6*s eventually. Put them on amped Nodes and the difficulty multiplies.
    You're playing a heavy guessing game on the actual availability of everything you mentioned
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.
  • XroxfistXroxfist Member Posts: 18
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.

    But there is no other place besides defender rating that offers more points. As long as both sides clear all that is. So if you make diversity and kills about the same points then you gamble by being less diverse hoping for more kills. Otherwise highest rating wins. Period.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.

    But there is no other place besides defender rating that offers more points. As long as both sides clear all that is. So if you make diversity and kills about the same points then you gamble by being less diverse hoping for more kills. Otherwise highest rating wins. Period.

    That doesn't solve what you're saying. Any competitive Ally would maximize both and then it would come down to Defender Rating either way.
  • XroxfistXroxfist Member Posts: 18
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.

    But there is no other place besides defender rating that offers more points. As long as both sides clear all that is. So if you make diversity and kills about the same points then you gamble by being less diverse hoping for more kills. Otherwise highest rating wins. Period.

    That doesn't solve what you're saying. Any competitive Ally would maximize both and then it would come down to Defender Rating either way.

    That’s what I’m saying. Defender rating is the only thing that has a different number. If you max everything else it’s all the same number therefore the only difference in score is rating. Boom 1347 deaths later they still win because they have a higher rating. There at some point has to be a bonus for effective play and less deaths is it.
  • XroxfistXroxfist Member Posts: 18
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.

    But there is no other place besides defender rating that offers more points. As long as both sides clear all that is. So if you make diversity and kills about the same points then you gamble by being less diverse hoping for more kills. Otherwise highest rating wins. Period.

    That doesn't solve what you're saying. Any competitive Ally would maximize both and then it would come down to Defender Rating either way.

    That’s what I’m saying. Defender rating is the only thing that has a different number. If you max everything else it’s all the same number therefore the only difference in score is rating. Boom 1347 deaths later they still win because they have a higher rating. There at some point has to be a bonus for effective play and less deaths is it.

    The only other solution is to hope that you can stop them on a path but there is little chance of that with these nodes.
  • XroxfistXroxfist Member Posts: 18
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.

    But there is no other place besides defender rating that offers more points. As long as both sides clear all that is. So if you make diversity and kills about the same points then you gamble by being less diverse hoping for more kills. Otherwise highest rating wins. Period.

    That doesn't solve what you're saying. Any competitive Ally would maximize both and then it would come down to Defender Rating either way.

    That’s what I’m saying. Defender rating is the only thing that has a different number. If you max everything else it’s all the same number therefore the only difference in score is rating. Boom 1347 deaths later they still win because they have a higher rating. There at some point has to be a bonus for effective play and less deaths is it.

    The only other solution is to hope that you can stop them on a path but there is little chance of that with these nodes.

    And it really doesn’t matter if they lower the points of diversity. The result will be the same. Two equal results with the exception of rating.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Xroxfist wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Putting back in defender kill points is the only plausible solution. Lowering diversity will just make it a game on how much you want to play diversity vs kills then.

    The problem is Defender Kills encourage the opposite of Diversity. People will still put the same Champs into BGs in spades.

    But there is no other place besides defender rating that offers more points. As long as both sides clear all that is. So if you make diversity and kills about the same points then you gamble by being less diverse hoping for more kills. Otherwise highest rating wins. Period.

    That doesn't solve what you're saying. Any competitive Ally would maximize both and then it would come down to Defender Rating either way.

    That’s what I’m saying. Defender rating is the only thing that has a different number. If you max everything else it’s all the same number therefore the only difference in score is rating. Boom 1347 deaths later they still win because they have a higher rating. There at some point has to be a bonus for effective play and less deaths is it.

    That bonus comes with a penalty.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    There are many ways to help your alliance, some people were encouraged to rank up champs for AQ or AWA to make sure they can do better in those parts of the game. I know who to rank and when, didn't need to ask. I rank the best champs that I can, when I get the resources needed to do so.

    Nightcrawler could be a great choice to attack with, has his own version of Dexterity, and if you mess up he can auto-evade.

    Diversity is only an issue if the other alliance gets as much or more exploration than your alliance. When they release the final version of the AW, diversity probably won't matter. So all the RDT threads could finally stop popping up.

    lmao i dont know what wars u are playing but in tier 2 the last 8 wars have been 100% exploration on both sides

    I know it's easy now than before, but Kabam isn't done tweaking the AW. When they do, diversity might not matter as much as it does now. Maybe even Tier 1 alliances will be unable to get 100% exploration. It happened before when Kabam introduced more difficult nodes a few months after the final version of the first AW came out. How people didn't have enough items or champs to take down or even fight the main bosses.

    Of course it's easier. We have the Resources to Max 5*s on the horizon, as well as 6*s eventually. Put them on amped Nodes and the difficulty multiplies.

    So you think that people are going to R5 that 5 stars and rank their 6 stars and put them on D when defender kills don't count? DO you honestly think that is a likely scenario?

    Do you think that maybe people might just use those ranked up champs for offense making AW even more easy?

    Sometimes I question your true grasp on this game.

    No. The Map is easier because Max 5*s and 6*s are coming. In the old Map, they would be too challenging.
  • PhantomPhantom Member Posts: 228
    @GroundedWisdom, this was directed at you. Please read it.
    Phantom wrote: »
    @GroundedWisdom, let me explain something to you.

    War is easy now. Nodes are less powerful. 100% exploration is easy for most alliances. Whether you think that's a good or bad change is irrelevant; that's just how it is. War is easy. Most alliances can get the maximum possible points that they can on offense very consistently. That means that almost every alliance gets the same amount of offensive points.

    If we all get the same number of offensive points, it comes down to defensive points. There's only two ways to get defensive points: Rating and Diversity. This means that the bigger alliance wins every time. Let me explain.

    If a 5 million alliance that has awesome fighting skills faces a 7 million alliance with those same skills, the 7 million group will win every time. They'll both get the maximum offensive points, so it's down to Rating and Diversity. The 7 million alliance obviously has better rating. They also have more champs. If they have more champs, they also have more Diversity. The bigger alliance will always win if both alliances have the same skill level. That's not fair. The size of your account should never determine whether you're better than another alliance.

    Now, let's say that the 5 million alliance faces another 5 million alliance. It'll still come down to Rating and Diversity. The Rating will be about the same, so that's out of the equation. It's all down to Diversity.

    If the win is determined solely from Diversity, another problem is generated. Placing a duplicate champion could cost your team the win, right? Then what about the champs that ARE overused, and for good reason? Some champs are naturally better defenders. If they're better defenders, people will rank them up for defense. Duh. So if everyone who has Nightcrawler, Hyperion, Dormammu, Magik, and Spider-Man (Symbiote, Classic, and Stark), not all of them can even use them. Only one person per alliance can. Everyone else can't use the person they ranked up for a specific reason. They have to turn to other champions, who aren't ranked up, because they aren't good defenders. Which generates yet another problem!

    People can't rank up everyone. They invest in good champs and leave the others to collect dust, and that's if they didn't sell them. If they can't use good champs, which I already explained is problematic, they have to turn to champs that are bad, and therefore left unranked and leveled. If everyone is placing their rank one level one four stars and three stars, then that's all people will be fighting against in Alliance Wars. No one can place their good champs, so everyone places bad champs. If everyone places bad champs, other alliances will face those bad champs. Think back to the reason Diversity was demanded to begin with: It's boring to face multiple versions of the same champs like Nightcrawler and Magik. Now I ask you, what's more boring, facing a Nightcrawler, or pummeling a 3 star in 10 hits? Now, some would say Nightcrawler, and others, including myself, would say facing 3 stars. I'd think that more would say 3 stars, but even if I'm wrong, and it's a 50-50 split, that's still awful. If 50% of your base doesn't like something, you probably shouldn't push it forward.

    Now, there's one more point I'd like to make, because I've seen you say something so many times to people who complain about not being able to place who they want, and it makes me want to punch something.
    "It's not like you can't use the champs outside of defense."
    That is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. I'm sorry, but it is. People want rank down tickets because their champs can't be used for what they ranked them up for. You're saying that, because you can still use them elsewhere, RDTs aren't justified. That's just moronic. RDTs were issued when champions were nerfed. Is that unjustified? You can still use the champs, even if not for the reason you ranked them up (they're good). Now, I don't like RDTs. I really don't. Rank ups are permanent, and I think that being able to reverse them isn't a good idea. But if Diversity stays, RDTs have to come in. We can't use who we want without being punished. That's a problem. You can agree or disagree, but the idea that RDTs shouldn't be issued because it's possible to use someone means that they shouldn't be justified when Nerfs are done, which isn't true in the slightest.

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Phantom wrote: »
    @GroundedWisdom, this was directed at you. Please read it.
    Phantom wrote: »
    @GroundedWisdom, let me explain something to you.

    War is easy now. Nodes are less powerful. 100% exploration is easy for most alliances. Whether you think that's a good or bad change is irrelevant; that's just how it is. War is easy. Most alliances can get the maximum possible points that they can on offense very consistently. That means that almost every alliance gets the same amount of offensive points.

    If we all get the same number of offensive points, it comes down to defensive points. There's only two ways to get defensive points: Rating and Diversity. This means that the bigger alliance wins every time. Let me explain.

    If a 5 million alliance that has awesome fighting skills faces a 7 million alliance with those same skills, the 7 million group will win every time. They'll both get the maximum offensive points, so it's down to Rating and Diversity. The 7 million alliance obviously has better rating. They also have more champs. If they have more champs, they also have more Diversity. The bigger alliance will always win if both alliances have the same skill level. That's not fair. The size of your account should never determine whether you're better than another alliance.

    Now, let's say that the 5 million alliance faces another 5 million alliance. It'll still come down to Rating and Diversity. The Rating will be about the same, so that's out of the equation. It's all down to Diversity.

    If the win is determined solely from Diversity, another problem is generated. Placing a duplicate champion could cost your team the win, right? Then what about the champs that ARE overused, and for good reason? Some champs are naturally better defenders. If they're better defenders, people will rank them up for defense. Duh. So if everyone who has Nightcrawler, Hyperion, Dormammu, Magik, and Spider-Man (Symbiote, Classic, and Stark), not all of them can even use them. Only one person per alliance can. Everyone else can't use the person they ranked up for a specific reason. They have to turn to other champions, who aren't ranked up, because they aren't good defenders. Which generates yet another problem!

    People can't rank up everyone. They invest in good champs and leave the others to collect dust, and that's if they didn't sell them. If they can't use good champs, which I already explained is problematic, they have to turn to champs that are bad, and therefore left unranked and leveled. If everyone is placing their rank one level one four stars and three stars, then that's all people will be fighting against in Alliance Wars. No one can place their good champs, so everyone places bad champs. If everyone places bad champs, other alliances will face those bad champs. Think back to the reason Diversity was demanded to begin with: It's boring to face multiple versions of the same champs like Nightcrawler and Magik. Now I ask you, what's more boring, facing a Nightcrawler, or pummeling a 3 star in 10 hits? Now, some would say Nightcrawler, and others, including myself, would say facing 3 stars. I'd think that more would say 3 stars, but even if I'm wrong, and it's a 50-50 split, that's still awful. If 50% of your base doesn't like something, you probably shouldn't push it forward.

    Now, there's one more point I'd like to make, because I've seen you say something so many times to people who complain about not being able to place who they want, and it makes me want to punch something.
    "It's not like you can't use the champs outside of defense."
    That is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. I'm sorry, but it is. People want rank down tickets because their champs can't be used for what they ranked them up for. You're saying that, because you can still use them elsewhere, RDTs aren't justified. That's just moronic. RDTs were issued when champions were nerfed. Is that unjustified? You can still use the champs, even if not for the reason you ranked them up (they're good). Now, I don't like RDTs. I really don't. Rank ups are permanent, and I think that being able to reverse them isn't a good idea. But if Diversity stays, RDTs have to come in. We can't use who we want without being punished. That's a problem. You can agree or disagree, but the idea that RDTs shouldn't be issued because it's possible to use someone means that they shouldn't be justified when Nerfs are done, which isn't true in the slightest.

    I read it. I'm not responding. Your tone is pointed.
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