I think it really depends on where you are in the game. For endgamish people, the labs are just another somewhat fun grindy event for 95% of the fights. For players who are newly uncollected, for example, will definitely struggle with this months epic compared to previous months.
Just did the Epic difficulty. Did the cosmic path. Fights are interesting but not too crazy. Just for reference, not even 1 enemy survived Doom's full cycle.
Again, if they put 2 sig stones a day in epic rewards and I will be happy.
The Modok Labs are just all about Roster versatility.
This was my team.
Havok- for energy nodes CMM- for big damage Guilly2099- for biohazard AA- for annoying fights, any fight that needed AA reduction or heal block NF- for synergy and extra damage/health
You need to build your roster so that every member has some useful utility. Of course, if you just go in with your non-immunes, you're going to get destroyed.
If you go in without utility, then who's really to blame?
But should you really need a team like that for a quest that is relatively stingy with the rewards??? “Unless you have guilly, cap marvel, archangel and havok, you don’t deserve the 50 6* shards”🤣🤣. That’s kind of the ridiculousness of this event
I'm not saying you need those champs, you just need to be prepared for just about anything when you're going into the labs. Bring an immune, like LC, MS, a robot. Bring a power-drainer/nullifier (which I didn't btw). Bring someone with high damage, so in bad fights, you can just squeeze by.
Point is, the labs are forcing you to bring a variety of different champions, not forcing you to do everything with one champion.
I went in with a 4/55 NF, 5/50 AA and 3/45 domino with trinity. The nodes are so stupid even with randomizers. Flaming trinity on an opponent whose special is like 2 seconds long is just unfair. Cost me some revives and I eventually quit midway. Certainly much harder than May. I'm also new to being uncollected (became UC in April) but come on.
That's why you scout the paths first.
Other paths looked ridiculous too(maybe because my roster isn't good enough) I'll just wait for a really long time now and see what to do
I think the difficulty is bad in general. I’ve seen nightcrawlers, hot monkeys and tigras. No one knows how to fight those characters this early in(especially them being buffed up)(like biohazard) And night crawler is just annoying
You know you could have waited to enter. You didn't have to go in immediately. You could have waited a week. Its not like you're limited to how many times you can enter a day, except for how many entry tickets you have. If you have 5 tickets, you can enter 5 times that day. If you have all 30 tickets, you can enter 30 times in one day.
Why rush into something knowing that we have new champs coming in that no one knows how to properly fight yet, unless you're prepared to deal with bad nodes and have to use revives.
With all that being said.... it doesn’t change the difficulty level. Most people don’t have time to do it all in one day. Bosses like night crawler, modok, korg etc. is fine because they are older champions. Plus the black widow and red guardian for last month was no where near as hard
It's 1 path with 6 fights. 7 counting the boss. How would it take longer than a day?
I was responding to the point that I could have waited and did 15 or more in one day
Not sure why you'd wait 15 days. Seatin will probably have a video up of it most likely. Its nothing that anyone who has done act 5 or any of act 6 can't handle. If epic is too much for you, you aren't ready for high end content.
Bosses change. They are not gonna be the same. He already made a video and he had a night crawler.(that wouldn’t help at all). I stand by the point, that for the rewards this event is too difficult. The squirrel girl event wasn’t as difficult. But you had other ways to get acorns, plus you could get more than what you needed( so it was a slight buffer)
The Modok Labs are just all about Roster versatility.
This was my team.
Havok- for energy nodes CMM- for big damage Guilly2099- for biohazard AA- for annoying fights, any fight that needed AA reduction or heal block NF- for synergy and extra damage/health
You need to build your roster so that every member has some useful utility. Of course, if you just go in with your non-immunes, you're going to get destroyed.
If you go in without utility, then who's really to blame?
But should you really need a team like that for a quest that is relatively stingy with the rewards??? “Unless you have guilly, cap marvel, archangel and havok, you don’t deserve the 50 6* shards”🤣🤣. That’s kind of the ridiculousness of this event
Yes you should. Modok Labs has always been about using a diverse roster like he said. You should bring champs that can handle a wide variety of different node types.
The point of the labs is to utilize different champions to "solve the puzzle".
Other side quests, like the rifts, or the MME, or the BW all really needed one "good" champion to complete. For me, it was CAIW.
For this quest, you don't necessarily need "good" champs, you just need the right ones.
If you just go into the quest blind with a team that has essentially the same utility, then of course you're going to be screwed. You have to basically plan for everything in your roster. That's the point of this whole quest.
Yeah I took the skill path in Epic and got ruined. Good thing is I didn't regret quitting out thanks to the trash rewards and the even trashier coin store.
I think the difficulty is bad in general. I’ve seen nightcrawlers, hot monkeys and tigras. No one knows how to fight those characters this early in(especially them being buffed up)(like biohazard) And night crawler is just annoying
You know you could have waited to enter. You didn't have to go in immediately. You could have waited a week. Its not like you're limited to how many times you can enter a day, except for how many entry tickets you have. If you have 5 tickets, you can enter 5 times that day. If you have all 30 tickets, you can enter 30 times in one day.
Why rush into something knowing that we have new champs coming in that no one knows how to properly fight yet, unless you're prepared to deal with bad nodes and have to use revives.
With all that being said.... it doesn’t change the difficulty level. Most people don’t have time to do it all in one day. Bosses like night crawler, modok, korg etc. is fine because they are older champions. Plus the black widow and red guardian for last month was no where near as hard
It's 1 path with 6 fights. 7 counting the boss. How would it take longer than a day?
I was responding to the point that I could have waited and did 15 or more in one day
Not sure why you'd wait 15 days. Seatin will probably have a video up of it most likely. Its nothing that anyone who has done act 5 or any of act 6 can't handle. If epic is too much for you, you aren't ready for high end content.
Bosses change. They are not gonna be the same. He already made a video and he had a night crawler.(that wouldn’t help at all). I stand by the point, that for the rewards this event is too difficult. The squirrel girl event wasn’t as difficult. But you had other ways to get acorns, plus you could get more than what you needed( so it was a slight buffer)
Just leave it buddy. You're talking to a wall here. I understand your point: difficulty is way too much IN COMPARISON to the rewards
But how can you justify saying that "you need to build a better roster" when the rewards dont allow that??
You don't need a "good roster" you just need the right one.
Yeah, I used Guilly2099 for the biohazard, but Ultron would work as well. Yeah, I used Havok for energy nodes, but Mephisto, Colossus, Night Thrasher could work too.
The point is you don't need good champs. You just need champs with utilities.
It appears like they wanted to give us shards for completing the quest and rank up materials in the shop. I can only speak for myself now, nobody has to share my opinion here.
I am an Endgame player and personally, I don´t need too many rank up materials. My main problem is Gold as I decided not to grind the arena several hours a day anymore. The 6000 gold we earn for completion aren´t really gonna help much. Considering that gold is kind of a rankup material as well, I´d have loved seeing some greater or even uncollected gold crystals in the store. Apart from the 5* AG and maybe the 5* sig stones, there isn´t really anything I really need from the store as I get most of the Catalysts I need from AQ.
As for the completion rewards: Those would have been quite decent around a year ago. If my calculations are correct, we will get 14.000 5* shards and 1.400 6* shards for completing the epic quest every single day. However, we have content like Act 6 that has some very niche matchups that sometimes are only managable if you have one out of a handful of champions, and you need them as a 5* or 6*. With 150+ champions in the 5* basic crystal right now, the chance of pulling that one champion you need equals roughly 0.67%, the chance of getting a champion and awakening that champion equals roughly 0.44%! Personally, I think that we should get 50% more 5* and 6* shards per day during this quest, which would bring the total amount of obtainable shards up to 21.000 5* shards and 2.100 6* shards. That would be great rewards for completing this quest every single day in my opinion.
As I said: This is just my opinion which is obviously based on my situation
Hit monkey with biohazard and unstoppable dash. I also tried to re till the buffs 4 times and got the same nodes
I find that difficult to believe and the same nodes showed up 4 times.
lol, thats up for you to believe or not. I also have gotten 6 awaken gems(3 mutant, and 3 cosmic) Last month event ( i landed on the sig stones 5 straight times). I also have all them awakening gems and so many cosmic rank up materials and i have only pulled VTD( and that out of 42 5*s. Im not arguing about the RNG(or lack of it) but im sure there are crazier "random" things that people have went through
No resources used. Only 3 nodes compared to 6 last time. 6 paths to choose from. Easily peasy.
Have to agree. Cosmic path using 6star r1 SymSupreme was light work. VtD boss was pretty weak even with rage and spite. Next time I might feel differently but this time I had nodes that were adding even more buffs so I didn't change any.
But how can you justify saying that "you need to build a better roster" when the rewards dont allow that??
You don't need a "good roster" you just need the right one.
Yeah, I used Guilly2099 for the biohazard, but Ultron would work as well. Yeah, I used Havok for energy nodes, but Mephisto, Colossus, Night Thrasher could work too.
The point is you don't need good champs. You just need champs with utilities.
but im sure you can recognize that some people dont have those champs. and with events like this, it is hard to build a roster. also( i finished the epic quest without using resources. except the re rolls). my point is the the rewards dont match up. there are a lot of people who rely on the epic quest in order to make good rosters. 4 months ago, i wouldnt be able to do the epic quest and master difficulty(rewards) wouldnt help me at all.
But how can you justify saying that "you need to build a better roster" when the rewards dont allow that??
You don't need a "good roster" you just need the right one.
Yeah, I used Guilly2099 for the biohazard, but Ultron would work as well. Yeah, I used Havok for energy nodes, but Mephisto, Colossus, Night Thrasher could work too.
The point is you don't need good champs. You just need champs with utilities.
but im sure you can recognize that some people dont have those champs. and with events like this, it is hard to build a roster. also( i finished the epic quest without using resources. except the re rolls). my point is the the rewards dont match up. there are a lot of people who rely on the epic quest in order to make good rosters. 4 months ago, i wouldnt be able to do the epic quest and master difficulty(rewards) wouldnt help me at all.
Hey, y'all said you didn't like RNG based events, and preferred skill-based events. Now that they've given you skill-based events, y'all are still complaining? And about the difficulty? I though y'all wanted difficulty but go off, I guess.
The point of the labs is to utilize different champions to "solve the puzzle".
Other side quests, like the rifts, or the MME, or the BW all really needed one "good" champion to complete. For me, it was CAIW.
For this quest, you don't necessarily need "good" champs, you just need the right ones.
If you just go into the quest blind with a team that has essentially the same utility, then of course you're going to be screwed. You have to basically plan for everything in your roster. That's the point of this whole quest.
Yep. Go in with a fully rounded team, prepared to use your rerolls minimally and you should be good. I took in Stealthy, Domino, Rulk, SymSupreme, and Colossus. Handles bleed,poison, coldsnap, incinerate, Havok, most Armor breakers, evaders, Void, most cosmics, etc. If you build a team around 1 champ, prepare to not have fun.
I think the difficulty is bad in general. I’ve seen nightcrawlers, hot monkeys and tigras. No one knows how to fight those characters this early in(especially them being buffed up)(like biohazard) And night crawler is just annoying
You know you could have waited to enter. You didn't have to go in immediately. You could have waited a week. Its not like you're limited to how many times you can enter a day, except for how many entry tickets you have. If you have 5 tickets, you can enter 5 times that day. If you have all 30 tickets, you can enter 30 times in one day.
Why rush into something knowing that we have new champs coming in that no one knows how to properly fight yet, unless you're prepared to deal with bad nodes and have to use revives.
With all that being said.... it doesn’t change the difficulty level. Most people don’t have time to do it all in one day. Bosses like night crawler, modok, korg etc. is fine because they are older champions. Plus the black widow and red guardian for last month was no where near as hard
The point was you don't have to rush into content blindly then complain. You could have waited a day and done two runs when you knew how to counter the new champs.
The point is, for the rewards it’s too difficult. Squirrel girl event, mole man, and rifts were not nearly as hard but the rewards were way better.
If its too difficult then focus on building your roster. Not everything should be easy, regardless of the reward.
But how can you justify saying that "you need to build a better roster" when the rewards dont allow that??
You don't need a "good roster" you just need the right one.
Yeah, I used Guilly2099 for the biohazard, but Ultron would work as well. Yeah, I used Havok for energy nodes, but Mephisto, Colossus, Night Thrasher could work too.
The point is you don't need good champs. You just need champs with utilities.
but im sure you can recognize that some people dont have those champs. and with events like this, it is hard to build a roster. also( i finished the epic quest without using resources. except the re rolls). my point is the the rewards dont match up. there are a lot of people who rely on the epic quest in order to make good rosters. 4 months ago, i wouldnt be able to do the epic quest and master difficulty(rewards) wouldnt help me at all.
Hey, y'all said you didn't like RNG based events, and preferred skill-based events. Now that they've given you skill-based events, y'all are still complaining? And about the difficulty? I though y'all wanted difficulty but go off, I guess.
1. Who is yall ( you wont find any post of me asking anything like that) 2. its still RNG (the buffs) (the bosses). 3. RNG meaning (the Rewards in the event). 4. The difficulty would be fine if the rewards matched up
I think the difficulty is bad in general. I’ve seen nightcrawlers, hot monkeys and tigras. No one knows how to fight those characters this early in(especially them being buffed up)(like biohazard) And night crawler is just annoying
You know you could have waited to enter. You didn't have to go in immediately. You could have waited a week. Its not like you're limited to how many times you can enter a day, except for how many entry tickets you have. If you have 5 tickets, you can enter 5 times that day. If you have all 30 tickets, you can enter 30 times in one day.
Why rush into something knowing that we have new champs coming in that no one knows how to properly fight yet, unless you're prepared to deal with bad nodes and have to use revives.
With all that being said.... it doesn’t change the difficulty level. Most people don’t have time to do it all in one day. Bosses like night crawler, modok, korg etc. is fine because they are older champions. Plus the black widow and red guardian for last month was no where near as hard
It's 1 path with 6 fights. 7 counting the boss. How would it take longer than a day?
But how can you justify saying that "you need to build a better roster" when the rewards dont allow that??
You don't need a "good roster" you just need the right one.
Yeah, I used Guilly2099 for the biohazard, but Ultron would work as well. Yeah, I used Havok for energy nodes, but Mephisto, Colossus, Night Thrasher could work too.
The point is you don't need good champs. You just need champs with utilities.
but im sure you can recognize that some people dont have those champs. and with events like this, it is hard to build a roster. also( i finished the epic quest without using resources. except the re rolls). my point is the the rewards dont match up. there are a lot of people who rely on the epic quest in order to make good rosters. 4 months ago, i wouldnt be able to do the epic quest and master difficulty(rewards) wouldnt help me at all.
Hey, y'all said you didn't like RNG based events, and preferred skill-based events. Now that they've given you skill-based events, y'all are still complaining? And about the difficulty? I though y'all wanted difficulty but go off, I guess.
1. Who is yall ( you wont find any post of me asking anything like that) 2. its still RNG (the buffs) (the bosses). 3. RNG meaning (the Rewards in the event). 4. The difficulty would be fine if the rewards matched up
1. Y'all, meaning everyone who complained about the Rifts. 2. But it's not RNG based. 3. What kind of rewards would they give out then? Generic AGs? Specific Champs? Hello, what are you on? 4. The difficulty is fine. The rewards are the same. It's another Side Quest. So what?
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Point is, the labs are forcing you to bring a variety of different champions, not forcing you to do everything with one champion.
I'll just wait for a really long time now and see what to do
I stand by the point, that for the rewards this event is too difficult. The squirrel girl event wasn’t as difficult. But you had other ways to get acorns, plus you could get more than what you needed( so it was a slight buffer)
Other side quests, like the rifts, or the MME, or the BW all really needed one "good" champion to complete. For me, it was CAIW.
For this quest, you don't necessarily need "good" champs, you just need the right ones.
If you just go into the quest blind with a team that has essentially the same utility, then of course you're going to be screwed. You have to basically plan for everything in your roster. That's the point of this whole quest.
Even if it was not difficult still rewards are not worth.
EDIT: nm, I found it all the way at the end of the list >_>
Yeah, I used Guilly2099 for the biohazard, but Ultron would work as well.
Yeah, I used Havok for energy nodes, but Mephisto, Colossus, Night Thrasher could work too.
The point is you don't need good champs. You just need champs with utilities.
I am an Endgame player and personally, I don´t need too many rank up materials. My main problem is Gold as I decided not to grind the arena several hours a day anymore. The 6000 gold we earn for completion aren´t really gonna help much. Considering that gold is kind of a rankup material as well, I´d have loved seeing some greater or even uncollected gold crystals in the store. Apart from the 5* AG and maybe the 5* sig stones, there isn´t really anything I really need from the store as I get most of the Catalysts I need from AQ.
As for the completion rewards: Those would have been quite decent around a year ago. If my calculations are correct, we will get 14.000 5* shards and 1.400 6* shards for completing the epic quest every single day. However, we have content like Act 6 that has some very niche matchups that sometimes are only managable if you have one out of a handful of champions, and you need them as a 5* or 6*. With 150+ champions in the 5* basic crystal right now, the chance of pulling that one champion you need equals roughly 0.67%, the chance of getting a champion and awakening that champion equals roughly 0.44%! Personally, I think that we should get 50% more 5* and 6* shards per day during this quest, which would bring the total amount of obtainable shards up to 21.000 5* shards and 2.100 6* shards. That would be great rewards for completing this quest every single day in my opinion.
As I said: This is just my opinion which is obviously based on my situation
2. its still RNG (the buffs) (the bosses).
3. RNG meaning (the Rewards in the event).
4. The difficulty would be fine if the rewards matched up
2. But it's not RNG based.
3. What kind of rewards would they give out then? Generic AGs? Specific Champs? Hello, what are you on?
4. The difficulty is fine. The rewards are the same. It's another Side Quest. So what?