Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
I rarely find myself needing Stealth either. But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.” She is gonna chill at 6* R1 because her damage is meh and so is her utility.
Damage is meh is so wrong. In terms of utility other champs can do it better but elsa still works
Okay. Faseesh posted a RoL WS takedown with her. Im going to test a bunch of skills and compare. Stand by, itll be here in an hour or 2.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.”
What about ronin
I find him fun but he hits much harder than Elsa and has okay niche utility. But his perfect block and damage i use a lot in war and sometimes EQ or Incursions. Since thats all i really do each month.
This is 224k health down in 1:40 seconds by elsa with boost. BTW he spent 10 seconds not throwing special but after that you can see the perfect rotation. Very possible without boosts. I could hv continued that cycle all day but he died too quick
Although this is impressive, this is not realistic in t4 and below war. Elsa would be trampled by a stubborn t4/t3 Thing.
1. Same goes to stealthy 2. Stubborn??!!?! Thats old news man
I forgot they killed Stubborn. So sorry, but same for protect lol. And Stealth is ok for it but not the best. And i have solod a t2 Stubborn Thing boss with Ronin.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.”
What about ronin
I find him fun but he hits much harder than Elsa and has okay niche utility. But his perfect block and damage i use a lot in war and sometimes EQ or Incursions. Since thats all i really do each month.
Same. I like him a lot just dont like he's got a long list of abilities and stances
I have come to see Elsa and Ronin similarly. Of course i think Ronin is better, but neither do anything super special, its kinda a matter of whos more fun and enjoyable.
Elsa's direct damage is based on base damage = no increase from mastery or boost.
This is an advantage. Ignores all weaknesses,safeguard,damage reduction,physical resist,energy resist. How is that bad?
, damage reduction still reduces it lol
This just goes to show you havent played her. If you had used her in v3 you would know. I used her all the way through act 5 including 5.3 so i know. Also her busted damage cant be increased by boosts true but thats a price to pay for salvation. So that was a bunch of nonsense from you
You know there are 2 different damage reduction in the game right?
1 does you have -50% attack. Ofc there this damage stays.
Im talking about the one in higher content like act 6. There are "damage reduction" nodes like "you deal 90% less damage if not X" and now GUESS how much damage it does there...
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.”
What about ronin
I find him fun but he hits much harder than Elsa and has okay niche utility. But his perfect block and damage i use a lot in war and sometimes EQ or Incursions. Since thats all i really do each month.
Same. I like him a lot just dont like he's got a long list of abilities and stances
I have come to see Elsa and Ronin similarly. Of course i think Ronin is better, but neither do anything super special, its kinda a matter of whos more fun and enjoyable.
Yeah its all personal preference.
Yep. In the name of science im going to do 5/65 levels of: Nick, Stealth, Ronin, Hit Monkey, Moleman(Gonna suck lol), and maybe Aegon. Who will be bad at first so it wont be a good judge.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
I got both hit monkey and elsa as 6 stars and she doesn't compare too well. her evade counter is actually less reliable because it relies on the opponent evading first and being able to debuff the opponent her dps is good, but with suicides, hit monkeys is still way better and he gets his damage effortlessly and more consistently obviously the one thing she has over him is his low block proficiency and health pool. but if you run suicides, hes still more sustainable because he can at least shrug them off Stealth spidey has slow, hit monkey has the garanteed crits and huge burst damage, but elsa doesnt excel at anything enough to put her above them.
Elsa's direct damage is based on base damage = no increase from mastery or boost.
This is an advantage. Ignores all weaknesses,safeguard,damage reduction,physical resist,energy resist. How is that bad?
, damage reduction still reduces it lol
This just goes to show you havent played her. If you had used her in v3 you would know. I used her all the way through act 5 including 5.3 so i know. Also her busted damage cant be increased by boosts true but thats a price to pay for salvation. So that was a bunch of nonsense from you
You know there are 2 different damage reduction in the game right?
1 does you have -50% attack. Ofc there this damage stays.
Im talking about the one in higher content like act 6. There are "damage reduction" nodes like "you deal 90% less damage if not X" and now GUESS how much damage it does there...
Now who doesn't play her? Huh?
Both of you. You didn't play her in v3 and he didn't play her on 90% reduction nodes.
This is 224k health down in 1:40 seconds by elsa with boost. BTW he spent 10 seconds not throwing special but after that you can see the perfect rotation. Very possible without boosts. I could hv continued that cycle all day but he died too quick
Although this is impressive, this is not realistic in t4 and below war. Elsa would be trampled by a stubborn t4/t3 Thing.
1. Same goes to stealthy 2. Stubborn??!!?! Thats old news man
I forgot they killed Stubborn. So sorry, but same for protect lol. And Stealth is ok for it but not the best. And i have solod a t2 Stubborn Thing boss with Ronin.
How would she struggle with protect??? She doesn't even hit hard with base hits to trigger the node, the Elsa in the video wasn't even duped - she gains more crit rate against xl, science and against boss nodes with her sig. All areas Thing fills, he's perfect food for her.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
sacrifice damage for utility XD HAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH. Either you've never played him or you're just lying. His utility and damage are both better
I have him as 5/65 and you want his slow you need to choose a different carriage .
I’m willing to take on anyone’s challenge if you don’t consider Elsa top 5. I’m willing to upload a video a path of your choice to counter anything.
I do agree falcon is stronger than her.
I can YouTube and upload as well.
Dude youre delusional. Elsa has much less utility than Stealthy, Falcon, KM, HM, and she has the same amount of utility as Ronin while having much lower damage.
I don’t disagree when it comes to falcon .
But everyone else they all do something one another cant. HM utility is not necessarily accessible on command. Stealthy is through a cartridge bro.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
sacrifice damage for utility XD HAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH. Either you've never played him or you're just lying. His utility and damage are both better
I have him as 5/65 and you want his slow you need to choose a different carriage .
He still doesn't need to techinically sacrifice his damage. He still hits hard with a fury and precision especially with his sig. Using the vulnerability catridge is what makes him a top damage dealer though.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
I rarely find myself needing Stealth either. But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.” She is gonna chill at 6* R1 because her damage is meh and so is her utility.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
I got both hit monkey and elsa as 6 stars and she doesn't compare too well. her evade counter is actually less reliable because it relies on the opponent evading first and being able to debuff the opponent her dps is good, but with suicides, hit monkeys is still way better and he gets his damage effortlessly and more consistently obviously the one thing she has over him is his low block proficiency and health pool. but if you run suicides, hes still more sustainable because he can at least shrug them off Stealth spidey has slow, hit monkey has the garanteed crits and huge burst damage, but elsa doesnt excel at anything enough to put her above them.
You say elsa's evade counter needs opponent to evade first. And you speak so great about hit monkey's evade counter. Pray tell does he cancel opponent's evade without them evading first? @Fancyson
yes he does. once you're in assassins cunning, they cant evade. All you need to do is parry, m l m, and then you will already counter evade. Also, never said he had the best evade counter, but its passive and more reliable than elsa's imo
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
I got both hit monkey and elsa as 6 stars and she doesn't compare too well. her evade counter is actually less reliable because it relies on the opponent evading first and being able to debuff the opponent her dps is good, but with suicides, hit monkeys is still way better and he gets his damage effortlessly and more consistently obviously the one thing she has over him is his low block proficiency and health pool. but if you run suicides, hes still more sustainable because he can at least shrug them off Stealth spidey has slow, hit monkey has the garanteed crits and huge burst damage, but elsa doesnt excel at anything enough to put her above them.
You say elsa's evade counter needs opponent to evade first. And you speak so great about hit monkey's evade counter. Pray tell does he cancel opponent's evade without them evading first? @Fancyson
yes he does. once you're in assassins cunning, they cant evade. All you need to do is parry, m l m, and then you will already counter evade.
But you still need to hit them. Same thing with Elsa.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
I got both hit monkey and elsa as 6 stars and she doesn't compare too well. her evade counter is actually less reliable because it relies on the opponent evading first and being able to debuff the opponent her dps is good, but with suicides, hit monkeys is still way better and he gets his damage effortlessly and more consistently obviously the one thing she has over him is his low block proficiency and health pool. but if you run suicides, hes still more sustainable because he can at least shrug them off Stealth spidey has slow, hit monkey has the garanteed crits and huge burst damage, but elsa doesnt excel at anything enough to put her above them.
You say elsa's evade counter needs opponent to evade first. And you speak so great about hit monkey's evade counter. Pray tell does he cancel opponent's evade without them evading first? @Fancyson
yes he does. once you're in assassins cunning, they cant evade. All you need to do is parry, m l m, and then you will already counter evade.
But you still need to hit them. Same thing with Elsa.
But for elsa. the opponent has to actually evade before she can apply cold snap.
Elsa's direct damage is based on base damage = no increase from mastery or boost.
This is an advantage. Ignores all weaknesses,safeguard,damage reduction,physical resist,energy resist. How is that bad?
, damage reduction still reduces it lol
This just goes to show you havent played her. If you had used her in v3 you would know. I used her all the way through act 5 including 5.3 so i know. Also her busted damage cant be increased by boosts true but thats a price to pay for salvation. So that was a bunch of nonsense from you
You know there are 2 different damage reduction in the game right?
1 does you have -50% attack. Ofc there this damage stays.
Im talking about the one in higher content like act 6. There are "damage reduction" nodes like "you deal 90% less damage if not X" and now GUESS how much damage it does there...
Now who doesn't play her? Huh?
I have an excuse. Im still in 6.2!!!
So i couldnt possibly be able to test that. So that proves that you're more wrong than me
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
I got both hit monkey and elsa as 6 stars and she doesn't compare too well. her evade counter is actually less reliable because it relies on the opponent evading first and being able to debuff the opponent her dps is good, but with suicides, hit monkeys is still way better and he gets his damage effortlessly and more consistently obviously the one thing she has over him is his low block proficiency and health pool. but if you run suicides, hes still more sustainable because he can at least shrug them off Stealth spidey has slow, hit monkey has the garanteed crits and huge burst damage, but elsa doesnt excel at anything enough to put her above them.
You say elsa's evade counter needs opponent to evade first. And you speak so great about hit monkey's evade counter. Pray tell does he cancel opponent's evade without them evading first? @Fancyson
yes he does. once you're in assassins cunning, they cant evade. All you need to do is parry, m l m, and then you will already counter evade. Also, never said he had the best evade counter, but its passive and more reliable than elsa's imo
Elsa's evade counter is just as reliable in my opinion if you use her properly
There aren’t too many champs that stop evade before applying a debuff .
Maybe she hulk with a heavy is the easiest and iceman , and vision AA. Most evade counters it’s a race to their special to get it done .
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
I rarely find myself needing Stealth either. But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.” She is gonna chill at 6* R1 because her damage is meh and so is her utility.
Nexus’s you haven’t played enough Elsa .
Ive used her and tried to like her. But not someone id ever use.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
I rarely find myself needing Stealth either. But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.” She is gonna chill at 6* R1 because her damage is meh and so is her utility.
Nexus’s you haven’t played enough Elsa .
Ive used her and tried to like her. But not someone id ever use.
That’s fair; I played ronin and love ronin and he will be my next skill R3. I’m doing that knowing he won’t be better than Elsa. I used Elsa for all of map 7 and she had no problems.
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1 does you have -50% attack. Ofc there this damage stays.
Im talking about the one in higher content like act 6. There are "damage reduction" nodes like "you deal 90% less damage if not X" and now GUESS how much damage it does there...
Now who doesn't play her? Huh?
Nick, Stealth, Ronin, Hit Monkey, Moleman(Gonna suck lol), and maybe Aegon. Who will be bad at first so it wont be a good judge.
her evade counter is actually less reliable because it relies on the opponent evading first and being able to debuff the opponent
her dps is good, but with suicides, hit monkeys is still way better and he gets his damage effortlessly and more consistently
obviously the one thing she has over him is his low block proficiency and health pool. but if you run suicides, hes still more sustainable because he can at least shrug them off
Stealth spidey has slow, hit monkey has the garanteed crits and huge burst damage, but elsa doesnt excel at anything enough to put her above them.
But everyone else they all do something one another cant. HM utility is not necessarily accessible on command. Stealthy is through a cartridge bro.
Elsa fresh out the box
Also, never said he had the best evade counter, but its passive and more reliable than elsa's imo
Maybe she hulk with a heavy is the easiest and iceman , and vision AA. Most evade counters it’s a race to their special to get it done .