Here me out... Elsa Bloodstone is overrated

Sarvanga1_

The_Sentry06 said:

Faseeh said:

The_Sentry06 said:

IceBro said:

I've never considered Elsa to be a top 5 skill but that doesn't make her overrated. You can't tell an owner of a 6* r2 elsa that she's overrated when I use her in so many paths of content. Nowhere have I seen anyone trying to say she was top 5...

People here have ranked her above Falcon(After buff), Stealthy(although that's up for debate) and even Nick and Aegon in some extreme cases.

Find me some

I did a quick search using the forums' very effective search function and found this. There are some more but it will take time to look them up. Anyways, just chill m8. These are all our opinions on why we think Elsa is overrated. You think she is great and that's good for you. Nothing much will happen if we move her from our beyond-god tier category to god-tier or something like that. She'll still do the same damage and have the same utility.

P.S: I do think Elsa is great and would love a 5 or 6 star version of her. I just don't think she is as great or better than champs Stealthy, Hit-Monkey, etc. personally.

You are not seeing the bigger picture. He has killmonger at no 2 and black widow at no 4. Funko when are you going to make killmonger overrated thread?

Sarvanga1_

Faseeh said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

Faseeh said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

Faseeh said:

Rouger4 said:

Does anybody have a stealthy Elsa damage comparison in a normal matchup? I’m not really sure she can out damage him.

Definitely can. Anyone got an unawakened r2 6* stealthy with no suicides?

I have 5* r5 stealthy

If hes awakened i guess thats equal. Where you wanna go?

Good old winter soldier. He is not awakened. But I don't think she can outdamage him.

Lets go then no synergies or boost. Lets just check it out

Yeah. Ok

Sarvanga1_

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KKLxVcHuXB7kTyTQIka6lCIULTPYveBR/view?usp=drivesdk
Stealthy attempt

BestRecon

Texas_11 said:

Very disappointed seeing you make such a fallacious post. I don’t think Elsa is over rated , and for you to say that means she is rated higher than what you initially thought. I respect your opinion , but I have to disagree

Sure KM has indestructible and unstoppable, but it’s not something you need consistently, his true strike is nice , but so is elsa evade ability.

Stealthy is realistically good for 2 fights and after that he loses his health pool quite quick, it’s just not safe.

More importantly, Elsa is a great champ because she is a very dependable champ and has an amazing kit that just seems to fit in every scenario. I think she is very similar to silver surfer in that regard .

I find my self using my R3 Elsa because I just know she is dependable and can handle most content. She has the highest crit rate in the entire game , great damage. The only thing stopping her from being great is being able to shrug off damaging debuffs at all times.

I feel that Claire is an okay champ that is overrated . Her damage sucks most of the time , and it’s rare you find yourself using any of her modes but hellfire. She is regarded as a high champ because she can just fit in wherever she goes

You obviously haven't learnt to play Claire. I bring her everywhere, and her damage doesn't suck. She's suicides friendly, with a reliable strong heal, mediocre power control, destroys opponents with immunities, buff control, triple immune and can even cheat death awakened. She is my second r3 6* and I have no regrets at all.

Sarvanga1_

Faseeh said:

Claire great. But she mystic so leave that out i guess

Where is your elsa's attempt?

SpideyFunko

probably should’ve stated I don’t think Elsa is bad by any means, but isn’t top 5 in the skill class

Rouger4

Does anyone have r5 Elsa max sig against captain marvel?

Rouger4

I saw seatins stealth spidey max sig get a 1:24 time against her

Kerneas

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

gp87

Grean said:

SpideyFunko said:

She’s not top 5 skill. So many people say Elsa is top five skill it’s actually stupid

As much as people wanna deny this, this is kinda true. the top 5 skill are
Nick
Aegon
Stealthy
Monke
Blade or falcon

Aegon
Fury
Falcon

Are the top 3 for sure

BlackTuran

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

Rouger4

Faseeh said:

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

Some people cant accept elsa is good. Instead comparison is required apparently

She’s great but I just can’t say she’s a top 5 skill

gp87

Seraphion said:

Fancyson said:

IKON said:

In the skill class theres

1. Nick Fury

2-8 - a bunch of champs you could rank however you feel like and be reasonably correct, including Elsa.

I agree, except Aegon is 2nd just because he makes abyss and longer content so much easier.

I would even dare to say (if we dont count AoL and LoL) that Stealthy is better than Aegon.

You might think that statement is crazy but when you have AoL 100% and a 6* Aegon and Stealthy + pull a Skill T5CC who would you R3?

Why everyone thinks that aegon is useful at 500 hits combo? No , at 500 hit combo is unbeatable.

After 100 hits combo (something easy) its top in game:
Crits through block like corvus
Purifies all the debuffs
He gains heavy - unstoppable - protection and hits like crazy.

Rouger4

BlackTuran said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

Yea she’s a bad defender, nick fury absolutely melts her with all those bleeds, go on, try. If you see passive degeneration it’s a glitch and it won’t do any damage.

Rouger4

gp87 said:

Seraphion said:

Fancyson said:

IKON said:

In the skill class theres

1. Nick Fury

2-8 - a bunch of champs you could rank however you feel like and be reasonably correct, including Elsa.

I agree, except Aegon is 2nd just because he makes abyss and longer content so much easier.

I would even dare to say (if we dont count AoL and LoL) that Stealthy is better than Aegon.

You might think that statement is crazy but when you have AoL 100% and a 6* Aegon and Stealthy + pull a Skill T5CC who would you R3?

Why everyone thinks that aegon is useful at 500 hits combo? No , at 500 hit combo is unbeatable.

After 100 hits combo (something easy) its top in game:
Crits through block like corvus
Purifies all the debuffs
He gains heavy - unstoppable - protection and hits like crazy.

I would say 100 he’s solid, 250 he’s crazy, 500 he’s unstoppable and 999 he’s Aegon level

Kerneas

BlackTuran said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)

2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)

3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye

4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back


I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot

SpideyFunko

Kerneas said:

BlackTuran said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)

2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)

3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye

4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back


I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot

wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?

Kerneas

SpideyFunko said:

Kerneas said:

BlackTuran said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)

2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)

3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye

4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back


I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot

wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?

I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.

Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT

SkyLord7000

.

Rouger4

Kerneas said:

SpideyFunko said:

Kerneas said:

BlackTuran said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)

2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)

3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye

4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back


I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot

wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?

I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.

Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT

Kerneas said:

SpideyFunko said:

Kerneas said:

BlackTuran said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Faseeh said:

Crcrcrc said:

I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much.
1. Nick Fury
2. Aegon
3. Spelthy
4. Ronin
5. Falcon
Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.

Go on. Press the disagree button.

@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place

Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency

DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage

Kerneas said:

Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"

How is she good on defense though

1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)

2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)

3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye

4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back


I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot

wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?

I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.

Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT

For me Corvus has been pretty effective

Grean

Elsa can't compare to stealthy in any way, shape or form (Besides dem thighs)