For me, she is one of the best without a doubt. I can do more damage quicker than anyone else in skill other than fury in his last20-30 percent health and aegon after a huge combo is built. Im wondering if you all truly know how to use her??
Elsa has more damage than Stealthy with fury precision and high sig?
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
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@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
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@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency
DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage
Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"
How is she good on defense though
1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)
2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)
3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye
4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back
I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot
wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?
I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.
Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
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@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
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@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency
DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage
Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"
How is she good on defense though
1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)
2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)
3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye
4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back
I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot
wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?
I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.
Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT
For me Corvus has been pretty effective
How does Corvus prevent that passive degen? Maybe I am dummy, I don't play Corvus at all and am not familiar with his kit
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
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@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
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@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency
DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage
Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"
How is she good on defense though
1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)
2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)
3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye
4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back
I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot
wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?
I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.
Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
Go on. Press the disagree button.
@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
Go on. Press the disagree button.
@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency
DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage
Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"
How is she good on defense though
1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)
2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)
3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye
4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back
I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot
wdym like Icemans passive Frostbite?
I meant that once you enter the fight, you start losing hp for certain period of time. Awakened Iceman has Coldsnap debuff = bring coldsnap immune or high energy resist champion.
Elsa on the other hand puts a passive degen on you, whih has only one counter (I know of) and that is Gulk. Noone else can mitigate passive DoT
For me Corvus has been pretty effective
How does Corvus prevent that passive degen? Maybe I am dummy, I don't play Corvus at all and am not familiar with his kit
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
sacrifice damage for utility XD HAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH. Either you've never played him or you're just lying. His utility and damage are both better
Stealthy is after 2-3 combos and Sp1 at 5* max sig sitting on
~ 8.050 attack ~ 86% critchance ~ 290% critdamage
without mastery.
I feel like a lot of ppl undervalue his stats and damage when they think Elsa does more. But well if you like her play her. My 6* Elsa stays as r1 and I have 2 skill T5CC.
And you don't use Stealty as an evade counter (at least not in most cases if you have a lot of options)
You use him to counter unstoppable and miss. Slow alone makes stealthy a top 90% utility champ in the game.
Another point that stealthy has over elsa:
Elsa's direct damage is based on base damage = no increase from mastery or boost.
Disagree with basic logic all you want. Denying won't change the truth 🤷🏻♂️
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
Go on. Press the disagree button.
@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
I'm glad someone finally said it. How is Elsa ranked top 5? She doesn't even do that much. 1. Nick Fury 2. Aegon 3. Spelthy 4. Ronin 5. Falcon Still not sure of the order of the bottom 3 but Elsa does not compare. She has mediocre damage unless you get lucky, and little utility.
Go on. Press the disagree button.
@Crcrcrc "Lucky?" LUCKY?!?!?!? Are you crazy? She's got guaranteed damage not domino surprise damage. I never say elsa's top 5 skill but she's 100% 7th place
Yes lucky. Not top 5. Not at the bottom. In the middle for above average decency
DUDEEEE. Its not like she has 50% chance to apply busted, incinerate or coldsnap. She has 100% chance. Thats not luck thats guaranteed damage
Top 5 in which aspect? Ffs ppl never stop trying to make absolite scales. She is difficult defender and has good damage, both from hits and debuffs. She also has some form of utility. And there will always be champs better at some aspect, even in her class: for LoL/AoL, noone matches Ægon. For utility, Stealthy is arguably more useful. Falcon has AAR. And it is impossible to combine all aspects into one "top 5"
How is she good on defense though
1) if her owner has suicides, you get degeneration from the bleed she has. Just like against Iceman, except this has only one counter I know of (Gulk)
2) projectile specials that aren't exactly easy to evade (SP1 is ok, SP2 not so much)
3) high critstrike = if she clips you, goodbye
4) "sticky combos" - by this I mean that just like Domino, when she hits your block, you have hard time dodging back
I am not saying she is terrible to fight, but if you compare her and lets say Falcon on defense, Elsa wins by a long shot
1) actually the whole mutant class “counters” her degen.
2) just bait sp1 and dex easily
3) don’t get hit
4) this one doesn’t make sense to me, you can parry her every time
For all the complaining about best (insert class) hero or overrated/underrated threads, it’s actually helpful to read peoples feedback and getting other perspectives.
Elsa's direct damage is based on base damage = no increase from mastery or boost.
This is an advantage. Ignores all weaknesses,safeguard,damage reduction,physical resist,energy resist. How is that bad?
It doesnt scale with boost or mastery. It also doesnt scale with every other attack increase like forsight (intercept = +200% attack) what we see way more often.
She basicly cant gain weaknesses, safeguard wont prevent passive damage anyway, damage reduction still reduces it lol but I dont now if physical or energy damage reduces it (you might be right on that, not that it matters in almost any case)
So yeah that was a whole lot of nonsense from you 👍🏻
I’m willing to take on anyone’s challenge if you don’t consider Elsa top 5. I’m willing to upload a video a path of your choice to counter anything.
I do agree falcon is stronger than her.
I can YouTube and upload as well.
Dude youre delusional. Elsa has much less utility than Stealthy, Falcon, KM, HM, and she has the same amount of utility as Ronin while having much lower damage.
Wow,this thread has already become a 'Let's disagree' thread,of course,she's not top 5 ,she good but not top 5- 1.NF 2.aegon 3.Spealthy 4.monke 5.Falcon
She is better than stealthy And better than hit monkey.
I agree with falcon .
What I mean by not better.
Stealthy utility is all in his pre fight. If you want slow you sacrifice damage and his enervate sucks.
Hit monkey - you may think guarantee hits , but Elsa crit rate is so high that her hits are almost always crits. The best he has over her is shrugging off debuffs if in the right mode. His evade prevention mechanism is just not as reliable
There is no reason for anyone to use Elsa ever over Stealthy, Elsa is very meh
There is , for one stealthy needs a full combo to stop an evade champ he also loses a ton of damage with that utility.
Stealthy is a great champ, I have him as 5/65 and he rarely is used just because I find my self never needing him.
I rarely find myself needing Stealth either. But i NEVER think “Oh you know who i need for this? Elsa.” She is gonna chill at 6* R1 because her damage is meh and so is her utility.
I think i don't need to explain why nf and aegon>elsa,let's start with stealthy,
Damage-Stealthy has a really good fury passive,and his flash bang also adds damage with increased crit rating,additionally gains more crit rating while fight sinister six or symbiotes,while elsa's damage is based on debuffs and hellfire rounds and behemoths,what if the opponent is incinerate or coldsnap immune?she loses major damage,while stealthy's dmg doesn't rely on opponent's abilities of immunities. Also,stealthy's precision is way more than that of elsa's.So Spealthy wins.
Utility-Stealthy has good power control,can also counter evade and unstoppable.Elsa has a good evade counter,no doubt,she also has some type of heal block and debuff purification not that efficient as others.Both of them can also decrease BP.stealthy can by the way also counter miss.So,he wins this comparison.
defence-The BP of both champs suck,and stealthy's is worse,but he has higher base armor than elsa.Both of them don't have any resistences.
Imostealthy wins in this.Let's come to Monke,
Damage-I'll only mention hit-monkey's dmg as I had mentioned elsa's earlier.hit monkey is definitely better in dmg,he has guaranteed crits,crit bleeds,he also bypasses resistences and armor.His sp2 has guaranteed crits,if we land the last hit as crit.He also has good crit dmg rating after his sp3.
Utility-Monke can purify debuffs,can place disorients in primal rage,and can bypass evade in assassin's cunning and can also evade himself,can bypass miss,after sp1,if it fails.
Defence-this is the only parameter in which he loses to elsa.
So,imo monke wins.Last is falcon,
Damage-Falcon has massive damage while lock on,guaranteed crit on last hit of sp2.Gains Cruelties if opponent tries to evade,increased crit rating if awakened,ignore resistence in sp2.
utility-opponent suffers -100% DAAR,he can bypass miss,evade,regen,thorns node,rock stacks,opponents can't gain armors,ignore auto block,some champs cannot trigger power gain (like DPX,cable),champs can't become indistructible,bypass sme champs furies,phoenic can't regen before death,champs cannot resist,Bypas nodes that deal dmg over time,no limbo,no stun reflect from BPCW,ignore revertbration dmg,no tactical charges can be gained by NF,no poison from abom,ignore resistences,and a lot more,with this I don't think i need to mention defence.clear win.
Dude , stealth damage is also based on debuffs . Elsa gets her precision buff from her SP1 . Stealthy needs to put a vulnerability buff on to get that big damage. Elsa gains a ton of damage against L XL and science champs. Bigger pool than sinister champs. If the opponent is coldsnap she goes to incinerate and vice versa. Her damage comes from her big crits just like stealth does.
Stealthy has good power control ? Come on now, everyone knows his enervate buffs are trash and only last half as long , they are worth nothing. Elsa has the strongest non damaging debuff purification in the game ? Stealthy being able to counter miss is very good I’ll give you that, but Elsa can counter other tough nodes such as one eye open and diss track.
Hit monkey - Elsa crit rate is so high she basically crits the entire time she is fighting especially when you get her precision up.
I won’t argue falcon
Stealthy has much higher damage than Elsa. How is that even a question. So does Ronin hehe. And Elsa has the strongest non damaging debuff purify in the game? Nooo way. Nick Fury hands down. And One Eye Open can also be countered by intercepts so you can just get good.
This is 224k health down in 1:40 seconds by elsa with boost. BTW he spent 10 seconds not throwing special but after that you can see the perfect rotation. Very possible without boosts. I could hv continued that cycle all day but he died too quick
Although this is impressive, this is not realistic in t4 and below war. Elsa would be trampled by a stubborn t4/t3 Thing.
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Bro....
Why not compare them at their best lvl?
Stealthy loses in every matchup 🤔
~ 8.050 attack
~ 86% critchance
~ 290% critdamage
without mastery.
I feel like a lot of ppl undervalue his stats and damage when they think Elsa does more. But well if you like her play her. My 6* Elsa stays as r1 and I have 2 skill T5CC.
And you don't use Stealty as an evade counter (at least not in most cases if you have a lot of options)
You use him to counter unstoppable and miss. Slow alone makes stealthy a top 90% utility champ in the game.
Another point that stealthy has over elsa:
Elsa's direct damage is based on base damage = no increase from mastery or boost.
Disagree with basic logic all you want. Denying won't change the truth 🤷🏻♂️
Or when you awaken him later 😉
2) just bait sp1 and dex easily
3) don’t get hit
4) this one doesn’t make sense to me, you can parry her every time
She basicly cant gain weaknesses, safeguard wont prevent passive damage anyway, damage reduction still reduces it lol but I dont now if physical or energy damage reduces it (you might be right on that, not that it matters in almost any case)
So yeah that was a whole lot of nonsense from you 👍🏻