Hercules immortality bug (or hotfix)

Hi all - a few of noticed that Hercules is no longer going immortal if an SP3 otherwise would have KOed him.

Here’s how he used to behave - https://youtube.com/clip/Ugwd4d7FaeUwDuE678Z4AaABCQ

… and that’s consistent with our experiences facing him in EQ and side quest.

Now, when he takes an SP3 that would otherwise knock him out (BEFORE immortality has been triggered), the immortality never procs and he is KOed.

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5RSLY

Verified that Hercules does get knocked out without immortality triggering now. Would also like to know why the threads in general have been deleted.

Onurre2

Verified that Hercules does get knocked out without immortality triggering now. Would also like to know why the threads in general have been deleted.

Yes this topic keeps getting deleted, wth kabam. This NERF can not be silenced by just deleting posts. You made us fought hercules like that every day for a month and now you are just TAKING AWAY AN ABILITY silently and not even acknowledge it as a "bug fix" or a bug. IF this is another bug, enough with your bugs already, IF this is NOT a bug and just a straight up NERF or "bug fix" then I have nothing to say; because nothing will change your disgusting methods!

Onurre2

Basically if you watch the clip OG posted, herc could used to tank 1 sp3 if it's the one that triggering immortality at 1% but now he gets struck by an sp3 and he just dies. Sp3 used to kill him when he had the immortality buff active, not while it was triggering and it made sense that way. Because the ability states that immortality buff gets removed if it's struck by an sp3 so you need to have it active to die from an sp3.

Qfury

This is interesting... Wonder if it's a case of "worded incorrectly" "not working as intended"

Or just a genuine bug.

Dizzy

Honestly, I could see this going either way with Hercules in terms of “he is currently functioning as intended” or “this is a bug and we will revert”. It’s more important that Kabam communicate what is happening and why than the change itself, just given the hype around him (pun intended), the size of the grind, and the number of times everyone fought Hercules and learned his “kit”.

Obviously I view this as a nerf if it stands, but Kabam reserves the right to tweak champs as they see fit, and this isn’t completely character-breaking. They just need to be better about clear communications versus silent changes.

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Giome

It would be good to know whether this is a bug or an intended change. If it is a change it should be communicated properly as it is definitely not a minor one. With all the issues that we have experienced recently there is definitely no need to add more frustration. Please give us a quick reply on this.

RichTheMan

I know ive been alerted here, does anyone have any footage of this happening? also need to find out;
. Has this been since the Hotfix?
. Is this just like all fights or fights where there is No Nodes?
. If there are nodes your fighting off against then what nodes are they?
and the Champs you facing off against.
The reason I say that is I've been able to use champs to reduce ability accuracy against him in the past bypassing that ability and knocking him out.

Happy to help to get this to kabam once people can get the above info filled out so it can be looked into.

Ablaroo

Paid too much money for this champ for them to Chang it, can’t being doing stuff like that hopefully it’s just a big that will get fixed, you definitely where able to tank 1 Sp3 before now you can not. Does not matter who you are fighting. Yes some champs do turn it off, but Star Lord does not.

Onurre2

I know ive been alerted here, does anyone have any footage of this happening? also need to find out;
. Has this been since the Hotfix?
. Is this just like all fights or fights where there is No Nodes?
. If there are nodes your fighting off against then what nodes are they?
and the Champs you facing off against.
The reason I say that is I've been able to use champs to reduce ability accuracy against him in the past bypassing that ability and knocking him out.

Happy to help to get this to kabam once people can get the above info filled out so it can be looked into.

- I really don't know if this started with the Hotfix or the August update, maybe the OP knows @Dizzy
- It is like this in all fights. Nodes or no nodes really doesn't matter. He used to get his buff, if there are no nodes that prevented it like fisticuffs.
- I tested him in act 6 and act 7 and really the active nodes doesn't matter. He doesn't get his immortality buff like he used to get in the video OP posted. I tested him against act 7.2.4, B path, first fight jubilee and act 6.4.3, A path, first two fights, blade and void. AAR champs like AA or maybe even falcon worked like a charm against him, even the assassin mastery worked for him too, but now without any AAR, after 1 sp3, he just dies. If you are at %83 like in the video, and eat a sp3 from that same act 6 boss nick fury, you just die now. You can't tank 1 sp3 like in the video anymore. Hope OP knows if that came with the Hotfix or August update. Thank you RichTheMan, you are the man. I'll try to get a video against the same act 6 boss nick fury.

RichTheMan

thanks for that extra info.

Onurre2

Here is the video against the same act 6 nick fury boss. Hope this helps, thanks again @RichTheMan

https://youtu.be/ZszXUQ2DU9g

Onurre2

I made the video a little bit long, just to make the same conditions with nick being on his second life.

Fit_Fun9329

I am saving my 6* shards for the next featured for him - need some clarification here please

Kacar99

I already invest in Hercules and I will R3 him and use the 75 generic sig stones we getting from SOP rewards.
So before that I would like to know if this is a bug or silent nerf?

Dizzy

I unfortunately do not know if this is linked to the hot fix or not. I believe it IS, but cannot confirm - I think I noticed this bug (still hoping it is a bug) in the past 48 hours because I tank SP3s fairly consistently with Herc but again, not 100% positive and don’t want to spread misinformation.

Rich, to your other questions - I’ve noticed this as well in a TON of fights without nodes or AAR - ie., 6.3.2 Fury (making sure there is no disorient), 5.4.6 Ultron (making sure he has no armor up buffs) - and at this point I think many others have observed the same issues across the game.

Onurre2

Thanks to Rich hope kabam responds soon to the hopefull "bug".

Kabam Boo

Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.

Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:

Signature Ability - Son of Zeus

- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.

5RSLY

Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.

Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:

Signature Ability - Son of Zeus

- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.

Are you claiming that Herc being able to tank the first SP3 was a bug? If you read the last sentence that you highlighted it says that Immortality is removed if struck by Special 3. Immortality can't be removed if it hasn't been activated....

Ourbee

Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.

Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:

Signature Ability - Son of Zeus

- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.

If hercules has health and is then hit by a sp3 that would knock him out, then immortality should kick in, after this point he should be immortal for 9 seconds.

If hit by a sp3 whilst the immortality is active the immortality is removed, but when the first sp3 lands he never had immortality, so it shouldn't have been removed.

It worked exactly as described previously, so If your team has moved the goal posts since, they need to adjust the wording of his signature ability (enjoy the backlash after the ammount some people spent to aquire him).

If it wasn't meant to apply to sp3 attacks, it would have / should have just said immortality does not apply to sp3 attacks, but that's not what it said.

Ourbee

thanks for that extra info.

@RichTheMan

Check out the above for your channel before they edit it all and close the thread lol.

Qfury

Oofff!

Sly little nerf there.

This isn't on tbh.

TheBair123

Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.

Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:

Signature Ability - Son of Zeus

- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.

so why would you change that in the hotfix for bug and not announce it?

Kacar99

So many include my self went hard to get Hercules and I used my 6* generic a.g on him and you silence nerfed him.
How can he die from sp3 when the immortality haven’t been activated yet?

Dizzy

Yikes. @Kabam Boo this is pretty shady considering (a) a content creator showcased the SP3 tanking ability and (b) Hercules was surviving SP3s for 30 days in a row when we fought him in the EQ, and this was never called out as a bug.

Also, to SRSLY's point above, it's a fair argument that the Immortality shouldn't be there to be removed in the first place, since it shouldn't trigger until AFTER the SP3 ends.

I have been downplaying the severity of this change in order to get a straight response, but this does materially impact Herc's kit because he can no longer tank an SP3 as he was shown to do for an entire month. This is a real reason to use an AG as it absolutely fits the category of "Hercules’ Signature Ability gives him a chance to avoid death once per fight, this can be a major saving grace in high stress situations" - i.e., tanking that first SP3 that you push the opponent to.

Triumph_Ant

Can we get our sig stones back? The wording of the signature ability makes it seem like as long as it’s not activated he can take a SP3.

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GroundedWisdom

The Abilities are clear. It's removed by a Special 3. This isn't the first time people have jumped on an Ability that was advertised on YouTube and not working as intended.

Demonzfyre

Can we get our sig stones back? The wording of the signature ability makes it seem like as long as it’s not activated he can take a SP3.

But why? The main focus of Herc was his damage. That's WHY everyone wanted him is because he's an offensive powerhouse. He's also a prestige champ as well so why would you want those removed?

Honestly, I read it as if there's an SP3 involved, no immortality. You're being KO'd during that animation and you don't have a chance to recover like you do on other Specials.