**WE ARE NO LONGER Temporarily Reverting Tier 1 War Ban System**
After further discussion, the game team has made the decision not make adjustements to the ban system.
The previously proposed fix would have resolved the issue for Summoners who are on the cusp of T1/T2 play, and negatively impacted Alliances more securely in T1. Instead, we recommend that cusp Alliances switch to Manual Placement to your members to place the allotted 5 Ban Champions limit there.
Apologies for the back and forth, and for any confusion.
After further discussion, the game team has made the decision not make adjustements to the ban system.
The previously proposed fix would have resolved the issue for Summoners who are on the cusp of T1/T2 play, and negatively impacted Alliances more securely in T1. Instead, we recommend that cusp Alliances switch to Manual Placement to your members to place the allotted 5 Ban Champions limit there.
Apologies for the back and forth, and for any confusion.
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Commenter - We want to give feedback on the game and make it better for the future, Hood is an example of when we did that, change comes on the back of feedback!
GW - Uh well Hood is a different situation to Gamora, Hood got something removed
Commenter - Oh yes, we know, we agree with you on that. They are different situations, but the principle is the same. If we give feedback then some things may change in future, whether that's difficulty of content, a buff like Hood's or a completely different buff like Gamora's!
GW - You're trying too hard
You see the disconnect? You're reading into people's comments and blindly missing points they make. The only thing I'm trying hard on, is to help you to see our point's of view that you seem so desperate to miss
We can go around and around in circles, but the bottom line is it wasn't as much as people wanted. That's the issue here. People expected better/different changes, and they never got them. Feedback is one thing. Saying people aren't happy with it is fine. This idea that our expectations dictate how much of an impact that their adjustments make and it's up to us to "speak out" and not "let Kabam get away with it" is just dramatics. She's better than she was before, and still this is all on paper because it's not even live yet. Yet here we are, pages later, arguing it's not enough.
i sometimes find myself trying to relate to his point and see if perhaps he has a point, sometimes he does but then I'm disappointed to see him just dig in his heels after you've so kindly taken the time to try to explain everyone elses point of view.
much like Gamora's 2nd buff, a seemingly waste of time and effort.
For real though, when the point is made that they might as well have not bothered, and that it does nothing, that's pretty petulant. Not to mention just because some don't use the L3 doesn't mean it can't be used. It's called play her differently than you're used to. Groundbreaking, I know.
Yeah yeah, she got a buff (also a nerf) yet she’s very impractical
In a fight that requires no specific utility, she will work but won’t be that fun as you’re forced to keep using your heavies to refresh buffs.
In a fight that requires her utility: true strike & miss counter, she very impractical: you need L3 and 10 buffs respectively.
Consider this fight Gamora vs Darkhawk.
Darkhawk has autoblock and miss which her makes Gamora an excellent option but is she?
You need L3 to access Darkhawk’s autoblock counter, 10 buffs to safely counter miss and heavies to refresh buffs. You really think she’s not stressful and impractical to use her utility?
from what i can see, all folks are saying is that Kabam spent the time buffing Gamora again and locking her utility behind a means(sp3) which isn't easily achievable in the matchups you would need said utility.
can you help us with the best way for us to deliver that information to Kabam that is also acceptable to you?
Honestly, has anyone here used her post-buff? No? I haven't.
I would copy/paste the conversation already had on it but you'll ignore the points and deflect as usual. At least you're consistent in your nonsense
Gamora was an excellent champion with such amazing things as fury, cruelty, bleed, armor break, true strike, shock, god slayer strike on special attacks. Now kabam has buffed her to also be an amazing miss counter. This makes her truly OP. Thanks for the buff kabam. You knocked this out of the park yet again!!
Answer this, in an evade or auto-block matchup where you actually need true strike, how do you expect to reach the sp3? And if you have been able to reach the true strike, then what's the use of the true strike then? Countering armor and resistances?
In a matchup where you need a miss counter from the getgo, how do you expect to build up your buffs to 10 in the first place? Let alone constantly refreshing it.
And these two utilities are her only proper utilities.
but as for the feedback portion, we are taking what we have on paper from the spotlight and trying to convey that the utility given to Gamora isnt practical for matchups where its needed.
so are you saying folks should ignore the spotlight until the buff is live before providing feedback?
at least by providing feedback up front, it may spark a conversation where they can provide some insight into how its acceptable to have her utility behind the sp3.
on a different note, i wasnt happy to see that Diablo is able to get a straight heal throughout the fight when running suicides with nothing to affect the WP regen when DDHK had his regen rate lowered because it would be too OP since DDHK has easy access to a non-damaging debuff.
i thought that was perhaps an oversight on Kabams part, some were very vocal about how Kabam knows what they are doing and that it was intentional, i disagreed, but ultimately it became clear that was the case.
i've now accepted this fact, do i like it? no. but i understand it was a game decision Kabam felt good about making.
I have an r2 gamora,, duped. She is very fun, but the rampup is incredibly hard and impractical because of the refresh rate. You need to heavy, and her heavy has a terrible reach ( if you actually know heavy intercepting).
For folks who actually use gamora, we needed either of the two things.
1) ability to chain heavy from a combo
2) atleast 18-20 second buff duration, with ability to increase.
currently her playstyle is impractical and unsustainable. She has just a lot of damage, with a very tough way to keep it up.
Maybe open up your account, and take your 4* for a spin.
Easily a good champion with these changes alone.
You know that 9-14 seconds is too stressful to play because it’s what gamora has in game today. You can go and test this right now.
You know that 10 buffs is too many for a miss counter? Because you can go and test this now, go into a miss match up and let me know how long it takes for you to get to 10 buffs. An average of 30 medium or light hits, along with heavy attacks to refresh buffs get those ten buffs is far too much for any realistic miss match up. When I tried it took 75 hits.
You know that her true strike is bad design because in any evade match up, by the time you get to an sp3 you’re probably dead. You need a counter straight away, or as close to that as possible. Go into an evade match up now and try and get to an sp3 with gamora and let me know how functional it feels.
So why exactly do we need to wait for it to be live?
The obvious one is more duration on her buffs. 15 seconds to start plus the 60% over the fight isn't game breaking.
I'm thinking something else actually they could have done (tho she ain't out yet so we don't even know but I doubt). A simple fix would be to give her a brand new heavy attack. The main issue is not being able to refresh her buffs but if they really wanted to, a new heavy could actually make this so much easier.
Her current heavy attack has average range to punish other heavy attacks and specials but some champs in game straight to lung across the screen like they have Commando in MW2 (yall get that joke?). Tigra, Venom, Falcon, OG Guilly, etc etc are champs with some long range Heavy attacks and if Gamora had something like that at least players can say she rewards skillful gameplay and it would make her buff maintaining much easier in so many fights.
Another thing they could have added was having her able to pause her buffs. Maybe her heavy attack paused her buffs for idk 6 seconds. Maybe during specials attacks, maybe after every special she used, maybe after 5 hits they get paused for even 2-3 seconds. SOMETHING else would have been great.
my statement was more in line with GW having a problem with folks using "dramatics" to provide feedback.
i was trying to see if there was anyway he would be OK with folks providing feedback and it seemed to me he thinks the feedback is invalid if anyone says the buff based on the spotlight "sucks" or use other overly "dramatic" verbiage.
If you NEED a Miss counter for a hard match up. Would that make getting to 10 buffs even harder for Gamora?
Picture you're fighting some Act 7 boss with miss and you're using Gamora, you're at 6 buffs and playing well but the issue is how and when are you gonna get to do her heavy attacks anyway? Maybe her heavy attack will idk... MISS the enemy during that 10 buff build, making it even harder to get to 10 buffs vs a match up she's supposed to counter.
Fighting darkhawk, you can’t knock him down to refresh your buffs, so you can’t get your counter.
The falter node after 10 hits, you’ll trigger it 7 times before you get to 10 buffs and by that time the fight is over. Not to mention your heavy is 4 of those ten hits, and in the meantime your buffs might fall off.
When you start to think about it, it’s so incredibly impractical that it just is bad design. No other conclusion.