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Guillotine, A community choice champ and nerf? Are u happy with this buff?

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  • GrandOldKaiGrandOldKai Posts: 496 ★★★
    edited November 2021
    DrDrill said:

    wow, I can't believe they said they are satisfied with most of her kit, and gonna focus only on her regen to buff it more in the future.
    she is less powerful than prebuff, her sp3 went from dealing +80k to 3k. lol, what a joke

    Well, hopefully we have the opportunity to express our concerns about the rest of her kit.

    It isn't good, even ignoring the SP3.
  • MordMord Posts: 56
    Wicket329 said:

    Mord said:


    To my way of thinking they have like 3 categories of healing characters in there.
    1. Constant regen (do nothing special and heal): Wolverine, OML, Angela, Diablo, King Groot, Voodoo, X23
    2. Regen on demand (Heal due to specific actions): Blade, Ghost rider, BWCV, not in list but Hype would also fit here
    3. Emergency healing (Heal due to low health): Hulkbuster, G99, not in the list but the other iron men and Punisher 2099 would fit here too

    So the problem is that Guillotine belongs in group 1, but even before her buff she regens the least of any of the champs listed and her regen was then reduced in her changes.

    And none of this touches on her lack of additional utility.



    There you go. What can I say, it's a quiet day at the office.


    It’s also worth noting that Original Recipe Guillotine’s healing was locked behind her awakened ability and varied based on sig level. So the data is likely inconsistent from player to player unless this was controlled for.

    The same can be said for any champion with healing tied to sig ability. If the data shown is compiled from all uses of the champion, as compared to awakened only or max sig ability only, then there are further flaws with this means of data comparison.
    I agree. It would be great to have the 'max regen potential' comparison where only maxed out champions are selected. The full sample with mixed sig levels is not that bad, as long as we can see the distribution and not the average alone - probably a boxplot would be more informative, where you can see the overlap between champions due to other factors that have not been excluded/filtered.

    Either way, there was little to no information about how the data was collected and put together, I'm assuming it represent actual data from a large amount of fights with little cooking behind. Hopefully they can clarify it today.
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Posts: 3,929 ★★★★★
    Mord said:


    To my way of thinking they have like 3 categories of healing characters in there.
    1. Constant regen (do nothing special and heal): Wolverine, OML, Angela, Diablo, King Groot, Voodoo, X23
    2. Regen on demand (Heal due to specific actions): Blade, Ghost rider, BWCV, not in list but Hype would also fit here
    3. Emergency healing (Heal due to low health): Hulkbuster, G99, not in the list but the other iron men and Punisher 2099 would fit here too

    So the problem is that Guillotine belongs in group 1, but even before her buff she regens the least of any of the champs listed and her regen was then reduced in her changes.

    And none of this touches on her lack of additional utility.



    There you go. What can I say, it's a quiet day at the office.


    That's a great way to present the data. Nice work!
  • ChikelChikel Posts: 1,847 ★★★★

    Wicket329 said:

    To echo @DNA3000’s point, the way that Kabam is measuring the regeneration utility is all wrong. For example, I use G2099 regularly in AQ, but only use her regeneration mechanic maybe once throughout the quest while fighting the Apoc boss. According to this measurement, the fact that I only used her regen once across however many fights makes her the worse healer of the two.

    For BWCV, as a non-recoil mastery user, I only use her healing stance when I’ve messed up and taken hits or substantial chip damage. 98% of the time, I’m using power control or burst damage instead. By this measure, BWCV is a worse healer than Guillotine.

    There are so many champions that require you to take a specific action, have a particular interaction between attacker and defender, or cross a certain health threshold in order to access their healing mechanics. Ghost Rider, Blade, Hulk Buster, Hood, Sorcerer Supreme, Bishop, on and on and on. You have to either be choosing to heal, getting in the right matchup, or taking a lot of damage to trigger it.

    Champions like Guillotine, Diablo (if running liquid courage), Wolverine, and Voodoo are not like that. Their healing just happens as a function of playing. When you compare Guillotine to that class of champion, the ones that don’t require specific circumstances to heal, you start to see exactly how far behind she lags.

    Yes, completely this.
    To my way of thinking they have like 3 categories of healing characters in there.
    1. Constant regen (do nothing special and heal): Wolverine, OML, Angela, Diablo, King Groot, Voodoo, X23
    2. Regen on demand (Heal due to specific actions): Blade, Ghost rider, BWCV, not in list but Hype would also fit here
    3. Emergency healing (Heal due to low health): Hulkbuster, G99, not in the list but the other iron men and Punisher 2099 would fit here too

    So the problem is that Guillotine belongs in group 1, but even before her buff she regens the least of any of the champs listed and her regen was then reduced in her changes.

    And none of this touches on her lack of additional utility.
    And they completely ignored Ultron, the most sustainable robot in the game.
  • Her regen isn’t the issue. She has next to no utility, restoring her l3, more damage and some nullify ability would make her 1/2 decent
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 1,984 ★★★★
    Just wanted to add some positive feedback as well. The idea to give her the ability to apply degen with awakened ability was actually a really cool idea imo.
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