Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Being "possible" to acquire a title, and being "impossible" to acquire the title, are two very much different things.
Again, the initial premise to release the title has been proved incomplete, and Kabam made a mistake there. Go back read the thread.
No, you think it has been proved incomplete but you are wrong. It's your opinion that it can't be but again, you are wrong.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Again, for the 1000th time, in your personal calculation, you aren't counting AQ and AW. Kabam is. Kabam is listing all the ways to get R4 mats without spending on real cash offers.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
If you’re obtuse, there’s no difference at all. If you exercise an ounce of critical thinking, you realize that there’s an enormous difference. Thronebreaker required one champ, not three. The ability to get the resource was in-game from the moment it was announced. It was announced four months after new content and two months after July 4.
This was announced two months prior to July 4 and before summer content with gated rewards. It was announced one month after the required content, and it was never disclosed how significant the act offer might be for the new title right around the corner.
You can have a t6b and a t3a right now. If you’ve already cleared act 7, you have no way to do anything to use those two catalysts. They’re literally unavailable in any meaningful quantity.
TB was released a month before cyber weekend. 🤷 Much bigger than 4th of July.
The resources for 3 r4s has been in the game. Just because people like and ebony aren't counting AQ and AW, doesn't mean those avenues don't exist.
it should be based only on r4s that can be got by completing content so it should be decreased to 2 r4s instead of three.
So if they delay the title to December you'd be fine with the requirement being twelve?
The title requirements have nothing to do with, and should have nothing to do with, what a specific player doing a limited set of things could get today or on any other day. It is a progression title that will be here indefinitely, and it must work as a progression title after Thronebreaker for years to come. The threshold should be based on a reasonable calculation on what is achievable given current earning *rates* now, and extrapolating into the future.
Also, I've said this before, but the title isn't *based* on what is achievable today. It is based on what's reasonably achievable for Thronebreakers given the projected rate of earning. Pointing out that it is *theoretically achievable* under a specific set of circumstances isn't saying the title is meant for such players or targeted at such players, because that's a point-in-time statement that becomes increasingly moot the moment it is written. It is simply a statement about circumstance. And if that statement is false, they aren't going to change the permanent requirements of the title, they'll just change the circumstances to fit. In other words, they will insert gap-spanning fragment opportunities so that the statement becomes true.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Again, for the 1000th time, in your personal calculation, you aren't counting AQ and AW. Kabam is. Kabam is listing all the ways to get R4 mats without spending on real cash offers.
They weren't counting offers as well. But then they did added one as an excuse, and might still be counting with the other one's as well. Completely going against what it was stated
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Lol the path is to continue playing the game. If you don't have any R4 mats right now- Act 7 Carinas challenges Plus future content.
It's the same path all of use currently have taken to get R4 mats.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Lol the path is to continue playing the game. If you don't have any R4 mats right now- Act 7 Carinas challenges Plus future content.
It's the same path all of use currently have taken to get R4 mats.
What a stupid question.
Cool, now what about the temporary content, the Act 7 offer, and alliance choices people make not knowing they'll have content locked for them based on these decisions?
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Lol the path is to continue playing the game. If you don't have any R4 mats right now- Act 7 Carinas challenges Plus future content.
It's the same path all of use currently have taken to get R4 mats.
What a stupid question.
Cool, now what about the temporary content, the Act 7 offer, and alliance choices people make not knowing they'll have content locked for them based on these decisions?
Then they'll hit Paragon at a later time? What is your point?
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Didn't people who didn't have an R3 have the same problem when TB was introduced? It's the same. Not everyone is going to have everything they need right away.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Lol the path is to continue playing the game. If you don't have any R4 mats right now- Act 7 Carinas challenges Plus future content.
It's the same path all of use currently have taken to get R4 mats.
What a stupid question.
Cool, now what about the temporary content, the Act 7 offer, and alliance choices people make not knowing they'll have content locked for them based on these decisions?
Then they'll hit Paragon at a later time? What is your point?
I have no point, have a nice day. Life is so much better when I avoid the forums.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Didn't people who didn't have an R3 have the same problem when TB was introduced?
No, they didn't. The so called "path" existed at the time for everyone
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Didn't people who didn't have an R3 have the same problem when TB was introduced? It's the same. Not everyone is going to have everything they need right away.
Just wrong. After Thronebreaker was announced you had 30 days to beat the GM and Abyss. There was an RNG aspect as your T5cc had to be for a 6 star class you owned. But if you wanted that title that’s it. The path was available for day one access.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Didn't people who didn't have an R3 have the same problem when TB was introduced?
No, they didn't. The so called "path" existed at the time for everyone
Well the so-called "path" existed for some with this one, because people have 3+ R4s currently. Once again, there's an assumption that people are supposed to have the means the second it comes out. Not everyone.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Best point I've seen since the issue was raised. You can't talk your way out of that fact.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Didn't people who didn't have an R3 have the same problem when TB was introduced?
No, they didn't. The so called "path" existed at the time for everyone
Well the so-called "path" existed for some with this one, because people have 3+ R4s currently. Once again, there's an assumption that people are supposed to have the means the second it comes out. Not everyone.
The point which seems to be purposely ignored at this point and time is anybody could play the game and achieve TB between the time it was announced and when it went live because you could get the required resources by completing PERMANENT CONTENT.
That is not the case here as the permanent content providing the resources does not exist. I’m fine with the requirement itself just think the community uproar is more than justified
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Again, for the 1000th time, in your personal calculation, you aren't counting AQ and AW. Kabam is. Kabam is listing all the ways to get R4 mats without spending on real cash offers.
They weren't counting offers as well. But then they did added one as an excuse, and might still be counting with the other one's as well. Completely going against what it was stated
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Again, for the 1000th time, in your personal calculation, you aren't counting AQ and AW. Kabam is. Kabam is listing all the ways to get R4 mats without spending on real cash offers.
They weren't counting offers as well. But then they did added one as an excuse, and might still be counting with the other one's as well. Completely going against what it was stated
Yes they were. The forgot to add the 7.4 offer in the op announcement.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Again, for the 1000th time, in your personal calculation, you aren't counting AQ and AW. Kabam is. Kabam is listing all the ways to get R4 mats without spending on real cash offers.
They weren't counting offers as well. But then they did added one as an excuse, and might still be counting with the other one's as well. Completely going against what it was stated
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Again, for the 1000th time, in your personal calculation, you aren't counting AQ and AW. Kabam is. Kabam is listing all the ways to get R4 mats without spending on real cash offers.
They weren't counting offers as well. But then they did added one as an excuse, and might still be counting with the other one's as well. Completely going against what it was stated
Yes they were. The forgot to add the 7.4 offer in the op announcement.
Nop, offers aren't included here. They had to add that one as a last resource excuse
If all the resources to rank up 3 x rank 4 were available through permanent in game content during the launch of the new progression level... or post launch. I would understand the decision, and be totally on board.
But there isn't..... you should be able to pick this game up, at any point and be able (if skilled enough) to reach the Paragon progression level.
Unit offers, non-permanent content, and a requirement to be in a "high teir" alliance, should not be a factor or a requirement to determin a players progression level.
I understand that these are factors that will help you achieve that goal sooner. Or achieve Paragon via alternative methods. But shouldn't hold someone back or roadblock a player if they have the ability to complete all the content that is currently available in game.
Maybe in time when all the resources are available to claim, via permanent in game content we might see different response from the community .. but maybe Paragon should have been kept until that point in time.. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
Except they do exist in the game 🤷
Ok, explain how an account right now can become Paragon. Assume they have no T6B or T3A, how do you get the materials?
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.
Best point I've seen since the issue was raised. You can't talk your way out of that fact.
What do you mean it doesn't exist? Act 7? Act 8? EoP? Carinas? Future side quests? You know, all the same ways we've been r4 mats to begin with?
Currently, that doesn't exist though. Everyone will get the title eventually. That's a GIVEN. But in the current state if you got TB during SOP you'd need to be an MSD of a player to 100% of all that content they've listed. Then counting gauntlet as well and then having the 10k units for act 7 completion offer is unrealistic. On top of this yes you need to calculate AQ and AW but who in their right mind is a FTP and has reached enough prestige and roster in the last 10 months to be playing in top alliances in both AQ and AW. Currently, if a player became thronebreaker recently and then mystically did all content in the game they still cannot unlock the title. You've raised some good points and people neglect those points I'll give you that but you're overlooking other points while trying to make ends meet. EOP and future side quests aren't out so to make assumptions that this will fix this issue is bold considering the event will follow the release of the title rather than be during the release of the title.
Best point I've seen since the issue was raised. You can't talk your way out of that fact.
What do you mean it doesn't exist? Act 7? Act 8? EoP? Carinas? Future side quests? You know, all the same ways we've been r4 mats to begin with?
You know what everyone is talking about. Why are you deliberately trying to be naive. A path to get the r4 means that there is enough catalyst in the game in the form of permanent content that anyone can pick up the game and get the materials. You know like how there was a t5cc guaranteed from a path through abyss and another for act 6 exploration. The only guaranteed placed where anyone can get the r4 materials right now is act 7 and carinas challenges. And of course this months side quest. But does that give enough to r4 3 champs right now? That’s what people have been trying to say to you. Unless you can time travel, you have no idea what EoP is and what rewards act 8 has and how long it will take to accumulate materials through event quests. So no..there is no clear path to get to 3 r4’s at the moment which in itself makes this a pain point for many people. I do have an r4 and close to getting a second one but I don’t really care for the title at the moment. But the people who care do have a genuine grouse with the way things have been handled.
This is not meant to be accessible to everybody the day that it drops, the same way the Thronebreaker was not, and is a new title to grind and fight for.
Thronebreaker was accessible from the start by doing 100% on Act 6 or a single Abyss clear
Which was not accessible on day 1 for a lot of players at the time. There were far fewer options to completing AOL at a reasonable cost. You basically had to have the 4 horsemen or spend a ton in units or items. Also R3’s we’re still rare and players were a whole lot more particular about rank ups than they are now. I know a ton of people who waited months after completing AOL before ranking up their first R3 and thus earning the TB title
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How was literally any F2P player supposed to know that the 10k offer from act 7 was essentially a must-buy in order to become Paragon?
The resources for 3 r4s has been in the game. Just because people like and ebony aren't counting AQ and AW, doesn't mean those avenues don't exist.
The title requirements have nothing to do with, and should have nothing to do with, what a specific player doing a limited set of things could get today or on any other day. It is a progression title that will be here indefinitely, and it must work as a progression title after Thronebreaker for years to come. The threshold should be based on a reasonable calculation on what is achievable given current earning *rates* now, and extrapolating into the future.
Also, I've said this before, but the title isn't *based* on what is achievable today. It is based on what's reasonably achievable for Thronebreakers given the projected rate of earning. Pointing out that it is *theoretically achievable* under a specific set of circumstances isn't saying the title is meant for such players or targeted at such players, because that's a point-in-time statement that becomes increasingly moot the moment it is written. It is simply a statement about circumstance. And if that statement is false, they aren't going to change the permanent requirements of the title, they'll just change the circumstances to fit. In other words, they will insert gap-spanning fragment opportunities so that the statement becomes true.
You think this title is meant for someone with zero r4s right now?
Act 7
Carinas challenges
Plus future content.
It's the same path all of use currently have taken to get R4 mats.
What a stupid question.
That's not the point of the question. The point is to have a path to Paragon laid out for those who can't be yet. That path does not exist.Best point I've seen since the issue was raised. You can't talk your way out of that fact.
That is not the case here as the permanent content providing the resources does not exist. I’m fine with the requirement itself just think the community uproar is more than justified
You’re welcome
But there isn't..... you should be able to pick this game up, at any point and be able (if skilled enough) to reach the Paragon progression level.
Unit offers, non-permanent content, and a requirement to be in a "high teir" alliance, should not be a factor or a requirement to determin a players progression level.
I understand that these are factors that will help you achieve that goal sooner. Or achieve Paragon via alternative methods. But shouldn't hold someone back or roadblock a player if they have the ability to complete all the content that is currently available in game.
Maybe in time when all the resources are available to claim, via permanent in game content we might see different response from the community .. but maybe Paragon should have been kept until that point in time.. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Currently, that doesn't exist though. Everyone will get the title eventually. That's a GIVEN. But in the current state if you got TB during SOP you'd need to be an MSD of a player to 100% of all that content they've listed. Then counting gauntlet as well and then having the 10k units for act 7 completion offer is unrealistic. On top of this yes you need to calculate AQ and AW but who in their right mind is a FTP and has reached enough prestige and roster in the last 10 months to be playing in top alliances in both AQ and AW. Currently, if a player became thronebreaker recently and then mystically did all content in the game they still cannot unlock the title. You've raised some good points and people neglect those points I'll give you that but you're overlooking other points while trying to make ends meet. EOP and future side quests aren't out so to make assumptions that this will fix this issue is bold considering the event will follow the release of the title rather than be during the release of the title.
The only guaranteed placed where anyone can get the r4 materials right now is act 7 and carinas challenges. And of course this months side quest. But does that give enough to r4 3 champs right now? That’s what people have been trying to say to you.
Unless you can time travel, you have no idea what EoP is and what rewards act 8 has and how long it will take to accumulate materials through event quests. So no..there is no clear path to get to 3 r4’s at the moment which in itself makes this a pain point for many people.
I do have an r4 and close to getting a second one but I don’t really care for the title at the moment. But the people who care do have a genuine grouse with the way things have been handled.