Let me be quite frank. If I based my enjoyment and accomplishments on comparing myself with the big spenders, I'd be miserable. This whole F2P vs. P2P is a losing perspective. I mean, it's one thing to take pride in how far we can get without spending. It's another to consider it a competitive aspect of the game. The game is not divided into spenders and non-spenders.
It absolutely is divided and your blind if you don't see that. All the biggest game modes in the game will always have spenders at the top. AQ, AW top alliances are all whale alliances. Battlegrounds top players will also be the biggest spenders with the biggest rosters and all champions ranked up. Even events are tailored to who can spend the most (Gifting) 😂
With people who don't spend playing in the same game modes with them. Just because people advance when they spend doesn't mean the game is separated. It's not "us vs. them". The only thing that fuels that point of view is bitterness. Lol.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Yes, we're top 20 lol. My complaint has nothing to do with my alliance spot. We're going to be top 20 regardless of the changes because we're a top alliance. That's how it works.
To base it on content that isn't permanent doesn't make sense that why 2 r4's should be the limit. It's not rocket science and I don't care if a player is FTP or not.
It's not based on temp content, it's based on what was available in that temp content to show that it's possible to have 3 r4s without spending on cash offers.
I never said it wasn't possible. I have a two free to play guys now in my alliance that will have 3 r4's very shortly so the argument isn't that 3 r4's are impossible. I just don't feel it is reasonable for what they're trying to accomplish.
Especially the immediate benefits players that won't have paragon will be receiving until then. If you personally don't care about waiting, good for you. That is not whom I'm speaking for at the moment. Hopefully that cleared up my perspective.
What Kabam wants to accomplish is to rel8a title that's aimed at a specific group of people and will allow others to work towards that.
What the community wants is for them to release a new title specific to their own progress because they feel left out.
I understand that, though I would argue the lack of information given around this title is more about making more July 4th and spring cleaning money.
My argument is that I disagree with their line, and they should include 2 r4's which is pretty common within the top 45 range. When you're talking 3 r4's thats top 20 range and above. So I'm saying expand it to include the top 45. That is all I'm saying. There would be nothing to complain about with 2 r4's because all that material is currently in game and ready to be done if you really want it. 3 r4's is not.
As someone who has complete all content except for a few carina 2 challenges this is entirely geared towards spending and it’s wrong to claim otherwise. It would be extremely rare for someone to compete in the “top alliances” without some degree of spending. It would also be extremely rare for someone to have the required ranked champs as f2p that aren’t in one of the top alliances. I’m not against p2w in games as all companies need to monetize somehow but don’t sugar coat it as more player friendly if people didn’t pay crazy amounts of money for rank up items.
I wouldn’t call myself an amazing player by any means but I beat the entirety of act 7 without a R3 6* and F2P. I don’t know how to say this but I feel like my efforts should be rewarded than how many champions I have at the highest rank
You want to go see a movie 🎥 in the theater? You pay money for that entertainment.
You want to go to an amusement park 🎢? You pay money for that entertainment.
You want to go to a concert 🎸? You pay money for that entertainment.
Streaming service? You pay money for that entertainment.
And so on…
We all love MCOC otherwise we wouldn’t be on this forum touting, ranting, complaining, praising Kabam constantly.
Kabam is far from perfect, no question about that. They’ve made countless mistakes and continue to do so. The game has ongoing issues… but they are constantly working to fix these issues and provide compensation to all players, to include FTP.
The fact that players can get as far as they do without having to spend any money at all is just phenomenal.
This game has so many moving parts and the complexity it’s mind boggling. This takes a lot of hard work to create and maintain. The game provides so much ongoing entertainment for so many players, including those who can’t or refuse to spend any money at all.
Why not give credit where it’s due to the game developers and the entire Kabam staff?
Why not throw them a bone 🦴 since they made this game that we’re all so entertained by?
Why should FTP players get even remotely close in progression to that of a player that pays for entertainment?
Where does this entitlement come from? Still blows my mind 🤯
Credit where it’s due. Entertainment costs money.
You make some good points, and yes Kabam should get credit for the good that they do; but you need to remember the other side of running a business:
You see a bad movie? You tell everyone and give it a bad rating. Others don't go see it and it doesn't make money.
An amusement park doesn't update its rides with new exciting attractions? It falls into obscurity and closes.
A band that was popular a year ago puts out a bad album? They are now playing local bars instead of large arenas.
Streaming service doesn't offer new entertaining shows? Subscriptions go down.
and so on...
I am a capitalist and believe companies should get paid for putting out a good product. They also need to be held accountable when they make poor decisions. I am an end game player with most content done (only missing Abyss and some Carina's). I spend money on this game. I opened 60+ GGCs. Even if Kabam only requires 2 R4s I will not be able to get Paragon on day 1. I am ok with that. But when about 10 FTP players in the entire game and the top 10% of spenders can get something when it comes out: THAT is BAD Business.
Just to clarify, no abyss done, "few" carinas and you are endgame? opening ggc's is nothing. what level of aq/aw do you play?
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Yes, we're top 20 lol. My complaint has nothing to do with my alliance spot. We're going to be top 20 regardless of the changes because we're a top alliance. That's how it works.
To base it on content that isn't permanent doesn't make sense that why 2 r4's should be the limit. It's not rocket science and I don't care if a player is FTP or not.
It's not based on temp content, it's based on what was available in that temp content to show that it's possible to have 3 r4s without spending on cash offers.
I never said it wasn't possible. I have a two free to play guys now in my alliance that will have 3 r4's very shortly so the argument isn't that 3 r4's are impossible. I just don't feel it is reasonable for what they're trying to accomplish.
Especially the immediate benefits players that won't have paragon will be receiving until then. If you personally don't care about waiting, good for you. That is not whom I'm speaking for at the moment. Hopefully that cleared up my perspective.
What Kabam wants to accomplish is to rel8a title that's aimed at a specific group of people and will allow others to work towards that.
What the community wants is for them to release a new title specific to their own progress because they feel left out.
I understand that, though I would argue the lack of information given around this title is more about making more July 4th and spring cleaning money.
My argument is that I disagree with their line, and they should include 2 r4's which is pretty common within the top 45 range. When you're talking 3 r4's thats top 20 range and above. So I'm saying expand it to include the top 45. That is all I'm saying. There would be nothing to complain about with 2 r4's because all that material is currently in game and ready to be done if you really want it. 3 r4's is not.
There would absolutely be something to complain about if it was 2. You'd then get those who can't do Carinas right now or didn't have the temp content before or because the r4 gem is RNG based and they "don't have an option" for a 2nd etc...
There's always something to complain about.
You view this title as it should be a wide net of people.on release, Kabam doesn't feel that way. This title is for those that have 3 r4s. It's just that simple.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Yes, we're top 20 lol. My complaint has nothing to do with my alliance spot. We're going to be top 20 regardless of the changes because we're a top alliance. That's how it works.
To base it on content that isn't permanent doesn't make sense that why 2 r4's should be the limit. It's not rocket science and I don't care if a player is FTP or not.
It's not based on temp content, it's based on what was available in that temp content to show that it's possible to have 3 r4s without spending on cash offers.
I never said it wasn't possible. I have a two free to play guys now in my alliance that will have 3 r4's very shortly so the argument isn't that 3 r4's are impossible. I just don't feel it is reasonable for what they're trying to accomplish.
Especially the immediate benefits players that won't have paragon will be receiving until then. If you personally don't care about waiting, good for you. That is not whom I'm speaking for at the moment. Hopefully that cleared up my perspective.
What Kabam wants to accomplish is to rel8a title that's aimed at a specific group of people and will allow others to work towards that.
What the community wants is for them to release a new title specific to their own progress because they feel left out.
Personal feelings are not included in my problem with the requirements. I say 2 r4s is sufficient but I don’t have 2. It makes sense to have 2 since that’s what is in the game within reason. This has nothing to do with how one person feels left out, it has to do with reason/common sense/logic etc…
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.
Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.
Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.
Yes, we're top 20 lol. My complaint has nothing to do with my alliance spot. We're going to be top 20 regardless of the changes because we're a top alliance. That's how it works.
To base it on content that isn't permanent doesn't make sense that why 2 r4's should be the limit. It's not rocket science and I don't care if a player is FTP or not.
It's not based on temp content, it's based on what was available in that temp content to show that it's possible to have 3 r4s without spending on cash offers.
I never said it wasn't possible. I have a two free to play guys now in my alliance that will have 3 r4's very shortly so the argument isn't that 3 r4's are impossible. I just don't feel it is reasonable for what they're trying to accomplish.
Especially the immediate benefits players that won't have paragon will be receiving until then. If you personally don't care about waiting, good for you. That is not whom I'm speaking for at the moment. Hopefully that cleared up my perspective.
What Kabam wants to accomplish is to rel8a title that's aimed at a specific group of people and will allow others to work towards that.
What the community wants is for them to release a new title specific to their own progress because they feel left out.
I understand that, though I would argue the lack of information given around this title is more about making more July 4th and spring cleaning money.
My argument is that I disagree with their line, and they should include 2 r4's which is pretty common within the top 45 range. When you're talking 3 r4's thats top 20 range and above. So I'm saying expand it to include the top 45. That is all I'm saying. There would be nothing to complain about with 2 r4's because all that material is currently in game and ready to be done if you really want it. 3 r4's is not.
There would absolutely be something to complain about if it was 2. You'd then get those who can't do Carinas right now or didn't have the temp content before or because the r4 gem is RNG based and they "don't have an option" for a 2nd etc...
There's always something to complain about.
You view this title as it should be a wide net of people.on release, Kabam doesn't feel that way. This title is for those that have 3 r4s. It's just that simple.
You can realistically combat the argument against 2 r4's at the moment the people complaining have a compelling case whether you see it that way or not. If Kabam really wanted us to have something to work towards across the board the would've made it 5 r4's. That way practically everyone has something to work towards. This leaves out just enough people to enrage the entire player base. Which Kabam clearly doesn't care about.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
I've been running this train steady without a hitch for well over a couple years now, that still doesn't' change the fact that a 2 r4 requirement will be healthier progression in my opinion and at least give some players a buffer. Because 2 r4 champs material is available in game without a question, no need to spend or buy an offer.
Is that really because you only have 2 ? 😏
I have 2 t3 alphas and 2 t6 basics. I will have 3 r4's by tomorrow with spring cleaning. This isn't about me. I've actually done all the content in game outside of two carina's. I said that already lol. If you spend and complete content like me its not a big deal. lol
I literally do not think 3 r4's is reason because someone like myself who has basically done everything and spends barely qualifies. So I think it is more reasonable to have 2 r4's because all of the material is there within permanent content and not having to buy offers.
Kabam gives players one R4 for free in Act7 , so it really shouldn't be any crying..
Please consider and change it to 2R4, it's still a grind for 2nd R4, but it will be worth it, 3 R4 is like 6-8 months out of reach for most of the players.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
I've been running this train steady without a hitch for well over a couple years now, that still doesn't' change the fact that a 2 r4 requirement will be healthier progression in my opinion and at least give some players a buffer. Because 2 r4 champs material is available in game without a question, no need to spend or buy an offer.
Is that really because you only have 2 ? 😏
I have 2 t3 alphas and 2 t6 basics. I will have 3 r4's by tomorrow with spring cleaning. This isn't about me. I've actually done all the content in game outside of two carina's. I said that already lol. If you spend and complete content like me its not a big deal. lol
I literally do not think 3 r4's is reason because someone like myself who has basically done everything and spends barely qualifies. So I think it is more reasonable to have 2 r4's because all of the material is there within permanent content and not having to buy offers.
Kabam gives players one R4 for free in Act7 , so it really shouldn't be any crying..
If you want the title I can understand the complaints. Especially because we know Thronebreaker offers will be nerfed by a good amount.
I am totally ambivalent to the new title, and i wont have it day1. I like working towards it.
I think the major sticking point with most players on the cusp is that Eternity of Pain/ July4 offers may be locked behind the new title, with very few/ no way to bridge that gap before that timeframe. That said, it is what it is and eventually we wil get there.
One fix could be to make the offers + prizes objectives-based (like Carina’s) that are triggered when a player hits Paragon. Offers trigger on completion of specific content already. That kind of thing would be incentivizing. Of course, you could always follow the BF/CM approach that was so popular when TB was introduced.
The issue here is the difference between 2 and 3 r4's. 2 is "too little" and 3 is "too much" but my main criticism towards this title is that you needed to complete content that isn't available anymore to get the title. So many players became TB through that event and after that many of those players have completed major milestones in content that contribute to r4 materials. But I'm no time traveller. I can't get the resources I need because I didn't do something a year ago. I can't go back and fully explore SOP. I can't go grind 10k units before act 7 so that when it came around I could buy the "exploration" package which is more or less a rank up package. I can't qualify for a top alliance for months because my prestige gate keeps me from doing that so I get bottlenecked for the resources. even still I'm sitting in a fairly competitive alliance and have little to no chance of getting another rank 4 any time soon.
Another thing that boggles my brain is some people deny that it isn't heavily benefitting spending players and shafting FTP players. Yes, advantage should be paid out to those who contribute real money towards it but the advantage of the purchase is why people will buy what they do. If I want a 6* nexus and I have the will to spend my money I go buy it because I get a 6* nexus. The advantage is the nexus NOT a progression towards a title. If you're buying something you should only be buying what you get and not some add on BS that comes out later. Essentially you either shaft your players by making r4's too hard to earn and bottlenecking the title or you increase the chances of getting an r4 and shaft players who spent their hard earned money. The real solution here in my opinion is make EOP permanent. Make the prerequisites EOP completion and act 7 completion with 2r'4's for the title. That way if you 100% both act 7 and EOP you have access to the title and it is a display of skill. I know nothing will come about it but regardless of situation there will be disagreement. Going to reiterate it's pretty pathetic if you think fairness should be bought and not provided to players. I don't think everyone deserves the title from day 1 but I do think that if you put effort into this game and you use your precious time that you deserve some payout too. And that doesn't mean 100% of the entire game to get access
I have 2 r4s rn and I am f2p , whole game content 100% still I am waiting for my 3rd r4. I would like to know if we are going to get any new piece of content before Eternity of Pain comes out , in order to acquire those r4 mats. There's possibly no content for me atm in this game to get any more r4 frags/mats. I won't accept missing out on some juicy rewards in "Eternity of Pain" just because I don't get those special Paragon objectives due to lack of content ingame to get those r4 resources.
Another thing that boggles my brain is some people deny that it isn't heavily benefitting spending players and shafting FTP players.
I haven't seen a single person deny that spenders benefit from their spending and no, F2P is not being shafted.
F2P mindset tends to lean to hard on your concept of "being shafted" because you don't have what spenders have. F2P and spenders are not the same. If you want to be equal to spenders, you have to a lot more work. The game needs revenue so someone will always benefit if they're willing to spend.
for the people who comparing this to TB title introduction, back then, no matter where you are in the game, if you explored act 6, you will get your first r3 no matter what (main complain was about RNG factor in choosing first r3). in here, even if you finished everything LITERALLY, you still won't be able to acquire the title. if you want to make the argument similar, the act 7 offer should be permanent, not 24h offer. this way, doing everything will give you the title, otherwise, it won't.
also, exploring act 6 probably costed ~4k units if you don't have best counter. this title, it will cost you at least 40k units Act 7 offer = 10k / 7 abyss path = 24k / various challenges= 5k / gifting + AQ+AW+July4 ...etc so it better be worth it (probably not)
Before the nerf no way you could explore act 6 for 4K units. I would have put it up with abyss for spend.
Original Act 6 was brutal. Especially when considering most rosters at the time. I'm still pissed those of us that explored it before any changes never got a separate title for that.
for the people who comparing this to TB title introduction, back then, no matter where you are in the game, if you explored act 6, you will get your first r3 no matter what (main complain was about RNG factor in choosing first r3). in here, even if you finished everything LITERALLY, you still won't be able to acquire the title. if you want to make the argument similar, the act 7 offer should be permanent, not 24h offer. this way, doing everything will give you the title, otherwise, it won't.
also, exploring act 6 probably costed ~4k units if you don't have best counter. this title, it will cost you at least 40k units Act 7 offer = 10k / 7 abyss path = 24k / various challenges= 5k / gifting + AQ+AW+July4 ...etc so it better be worth it (probably not)
Before the nerf no way you could explore act 6 for 4K units. I would have put it up with abyss for spend.
Loads of people did abyss for way less than 4k. It was a much easier path to TB than exploring act 6.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
I think they should make a title just for you and your asinine view. Only requirement for you is to pay your way to the title.
This is very much like TB. People didn't like the requirements then and you don't like them now. There is zero difference.
Thronebreaker was a made up issue about "what about RNG". Paragon is "the catalysts do not exist in game without buying offers". This is not the same issue.
maybe if next time Kabam makes it 10 R4s, so noone has it on day one... people will realize the goal is to set a bar, and judging where you are compared to that bar on day 1 isn't the poiint, but rather its a goal along the journy.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
I'm sorry, where did they say anything besides the requirement is what it is? If they never intended it to be 3 R4s and Act 7, they wouldn't have announced it. Bottom line is, some people will have it when it comes out, and some will have to wait. That's no different than anything else. It's not a travesty. It's how the game works when something is introduced.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
I'm sorry, where did they say anything besides the requirement is what it is? If they never intended it to be 3 R4s and Act 7, they wouldn't have announced it. Bottom line is, some people will have it when it comes out, and some will have to wait. That's no different than anything else. It's not a travesty. It's how the game works when something is introduced.
They very specifically said "if you did this, this and that, you will get enough. So that's why we are releasing the title". Very first post, the announcement itself. And no, it isn't enough, so therefore the title shouldn't be released yet
Can people complete 7.4 earlier and have not got the 10k unit offer be given another chance to take the unit offer? It’s not fair for people who didn’t buy the offer because of not knowing this title in advance. This should definitely be announced at the time 7.4 is released.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
I'm sorry, where did they say anything besides the requirement is what it is? If they never intended it to be 3 R4s and Act 7, they wouldn't have announced it. Bottom line is, some people will have it when it comes out, and some will have to wait. That's no different than anything else. It's not a travesty. It's how the game works when something is introduced.
They very specifically said "if you did this, this and that, you will get enough. So that's why we are releasing the title". Very first post, the announcement itself. And no, it isn't enough, so therefore the title shouldn't be released yet
At the moment it's released? No. Hence the part about not everyone getting it right away. Keep doing those things and you will. Is everything a mission against spending?
Bit late to the party. I'm a thronebreaker with 0 6r4. I understand the title and what it's trying to achieve. My expectation would have been similar to thronebreaker where if you complete all the story content then you'll have the title. Extra exclusivity I also understand but would suggest making the requirement 2 x 6r4. Am motivated to achieve it, may take me a while, but putting the message after the 10k offer wasnt good. If I knew this was coming I would have postponed my completion of 7.4. Having r4 material coming soon sounds promising but in reality it's going to be judged on how much e.g. 1 t3a or 300 t3a fragments.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward
I have my doubts it will change. It didn't change last time, and the feedback was on par.
This is a whole other issue, not comparable to the situation with the TB title.
Literally the same. A new benchmark is introduced, people protest the requirements.
The requirements that Kabam itself said aren't enough to obtain the title. Introducing the title like this would be against their own words
I'm sorry, where did they say anything besides the requirement is what it is? If they never intended it to be 3 R4s and Act 7, they wouldn't have announced it. Bottom line is, some people will have it when it comes out, and some will have to wait. That's no different than anything else. It's not a travesty. It's how the game works when something is introduced.
They very specifically said "if you did this, this and that, you will get enough. So that's why we are releasing the title". Very first post, the announcement itself. And no, it isn't enough, so therefore the title shouldn't be released yet
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My argument is that I disagree with their line, and they should include 2 r4's which is pretty common within the top 45 range. When you're talking 3 r4's thats top 20 range and above. So I'm saying expand it to include the top 45. That is all I'm saying. There would be nothing to complain about with 2 r4's because all that material is currently in game and ready to be done if you really want it. 3 r4's is not.
There's always something to complain about.
You view this title as it should be a wide net of people.on release, Kabam doesn't feel that way. This title is for those that have 3 r4s. It's just that simple.
Dr. Zola
Another thing that boggles my brain is some people deny that it isn't heavily benefitting spending players and shafting FTP players. Yes, advantage should be paid out to those who contribute real money towards it but the advantage of the purchase is why people will buy what they do. If I want a 6* nexus and I have the will to spend my money I go buy it because I get a 6* nexus. The advantage is the nexus NOT a progression towards a title. If you're buying something you should only be buying what you get and not some add on BS that comes out later. Essentially you either shaft your players by making r4's too hard to earn and bottlenecking the title or you increase the chances of getting an r4 and shaft players who spent their hard earned money. The real solution here in my opinion is make EOP permanent. Make the prerequisites EOP completion and act 7 completion with 2r'4's for the title. That way if you 100% both act 7 and EOP you have access to the title and it is a display of skill. I know nothing will come about it but regardless of situation there will be disagreement. Going to reiterate it's pretty pathetic if you think fairness should be bought and not provided to players. I don't think everyone deserves the title from day 1 but I do think that if you put effort into this game and you use your precious time that you deserve some payout too. And that doesn't mean 100% of the entire game to get access
I won't accept missing out on some juicy rewards in "Eternity of Pain" just because I don't get those special Paragon objectives due to lack of content ingame to get those r4 resources.
F2P mindset tends to lean to hard on your concept of "being shafted" because you don't have what spenders have. F2P and spenders are not the same. If you want to be equal to spenders, you have to a lot more work. The game needs revenue so someone will always benefit if they're willing to spend.
Tomorrow drops the money cleaning event deals, and some people will buy another rank 4 champion just for the sake of this title.
Last thing you need now is to change the requirements after selling the product. So if we don't get any news about this till tomorrow, I can assume that nothing will change and that this issue will be going forward