Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

Demonzfyre

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Again, you aren't factoring AQ and AW 🤷

Personal opinion, but to be honest, I think that alliance's should be completely irrelevant to determine your individual progression title.

Qacob said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

. What r4 mats can I get right now? Whatever Carina stuff I haven’t done, and some scraps in act 7. If I got every bit of available r4 materials right now, I might barely have enough for two, but nowhere near a third.

In short, the problem is that they’ve announced a title with no way to get it besides waiting for content or spending.

Unless you have actually done EVERYTHING, then you get no sympathy from me. The title is made for people who are the very best and have done everything to prove it.

That's not true. Even if you have everything done, and bought all offers, the title still isn't for you. Because you would still not be able to get it

I didn't say you'd get the title lol. I said you'd get my sympathy.

Nice, how do I trade that sympathy for rank 4 materials?

Alliances are irrelevant to the title. How is it this hard for you to understand? There are R4 mats in top AQ and AW. That's what's factored into the totals of available mats. Goodness you people like twisting things.

TyEdge

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

pseudosane said:

Its just a waiting game lol. Eventually you will get there. You dont NEED to get the title day1.

In a competitive game, they have denied players information that has long term competitive consequences.

Every player who fails to reach paragon by July 4 will fall even further behind due to unit offers and cash offers being markedly different. Just like SOP had points 10-27 locked behind the TB title, they’ve already said EOP will have special objectives and rewards.

They’ve created an emergency for players who want to “keep up” by allowing them to miss the 7.4 offer then creating significance for it immediately after the fact.

July 4th is a while away yet. If, by the time of July 4th, Paragon is still impossible to have as a F2P, then I will agree with you, that seems unfair. However with EOP likely coming before that date, I don't think it's going to come to that.

You have absolutely nothing to base that on. Last year’s Summer of Pain started June 16 and there were no rewards given until mid-August. The finale came after that.

Remember - they were peak milestone rewards, not progressive rewards as points were accumulated.

And you have absolutely nothing to base the idea that EOP will have the same reward system as SOP on. Wait until we know the facts before you start complaining about them.

They literally told us there would be special paragon objectives just like TB had special SOP objectives. We have last year’s timetable and structure to consider. We have the announcement. Nothing about that suggests they’d move the timetable up two whole months, and it’s bizarre you’d expect that.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Demonzfyre said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Again, you aren't factoring AQ and AW 🤷

Personal opinion, but to be honest, I think that alliance's should be completely irrelevant to determine your individual progression title.

Qacob said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

. What r4 mats can I get right now? Whatever Carina stuff I haven’t done, and some scraps in act 7. If I got every bit of available r4 materials right now, I might barely have enough for two, but nowhere near a third.

In short, the problem is that they’ve announced a title with no way to get it besides waiting for content or spending.

Unless you have actually done EVERYTHING, then you get no sympathy from me. The title is made for people who are the very best and have done everything to prove it.

That's not true. Even if you have everything done, and bought all offers, the title still isn't for you. Because you would still not be able to get it

I didn't say you'd get the title lol. I said you'd get my sympathy.

Nice, how do I trade that sympathy for rank 4 materials?

Alliances are irrelevant to the title. There are R4 mats in top AQ and AW. That's what's factored into the totals of available mats..

You're contradicting yourself there.

MoeyTehr

There have been a lot of great, calm, well-reasoned posts about how the Paragon requirements feel very unfair to many Thronebreaker players.

But I want to amplify the following post because it offers a reasonable compromise that should make most people happy:

Qwerty12345 said:

Since most people can best relate to examples... let's take a look at a couple "current Thronebreakers" who are well known through youtube/other reasons: KT1 and ProfHoff.

While both of these individuals have their fans and their haters, they are both Thronebreaker. Forgetting the spending for the moment, and just analyzing their accounts... one has barely squeaked by 7.4, still has a lot of content to do (including areas with most of the r4 materials), and the other... has literally done everything.

I think by Kabam waiting this long to make a title after Thronebreaker, they have effectively let there be 3-4 different "levels of Thronebreaker", and set a very high bar for this new title, one which only a small percentage of TB's would qualify for.

Maybe this would have been better accepted adding 2 new progression levels. Those who have indeed done everything all permanent content in the game (so explore through story mode, Variants, Labyrinth, and Abyss... but things like SOP wouldn't be a requirement)... would be the top level... and those who have just done 7.4, and say an initial clear of Abyss would be another new one. It shouldn't be tied to roster directly (that's fine for things with stores like incursions, but not this).

I think this is a great idea and I really hope Kabam considers this as a viable solution.

ItsDamien

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Again, you aren't factoring AQ and AW 🤷

Personal opinion, but to be honest, I think that alliance's should be completely irrelevant to determine your individual progression title.

Qacob said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

. What r4 mats can I get right now? Whatever Carina stuff I haven’t done, and some scraps in act 7. If I got every bit of available r4 materials right now, I might barely have enough for two, but nowhere near a third.

In short, the problem is that they’ve announced a title with no way to get it besides waiting for content or spending.

Unless you have actually done EVERYTHING, then you get no sympathy from me. The title is made for people who are the very best and have done everything to prove it.

That's not true. Even if you have everything done, and bought all offers, the title still isn't for you. Because you would still not be able to get it

I didn't say you'd get the title lol. I said you'd get my sympathy.

Nice, how do I trade that sympathy for rank 4 materials?

Alliances are irrelevant to the title. There are R4 mats in top AQ and AW. That's what's factored into the totals of available mats..

You're contradicting yourself there.

Not exactly. Alliances are irrelevant to the title. You don’t have to be a part of an alliance to get the title. But if you want more mats to get the title then being in high end alliances makes that easier.

Hardly a contradiction.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

ItsDamien said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Again, you aren't factoring AQ and AW 🤷

Personal opinion, but to be honest, I think that alliance's should be completely irrelevant to determine your individual progression title.

Qacob said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

. What r4 mats can I get right now? Whatever Carina stuff I haven’t done, and some scraps in act 7. If I got every bit of available r4 materials right now, I might barely have enough for two, but nowhere near a third.

In short, the problem is that they’ve announced a title with no way to get it besides waiting for content or spending.

Unless you have actually done EVERYTHING, then you get no sympathy from me. The title is made for people who are the very best and have done everything to prove it.

That's not true. Even if you have everything done, and bought all offers, the title still isn't for you. Because you would still not be able to get it

I didn't say you'd get the title lol. I said you'd get my sympathy.

Nice, how do I trade that sympathy for rank 4 materials?

Alliances are irrelevant to the title. There are R4 mats in top AQ and AW. That's what's factored into the totals of available mats..

You're contradicting yourself there.

Not exactly. Alliances are irrelevant to the title. You don’t have to be a part of an alliance to get the title. But if you want more mats to get the title then being in high end alliances makes that easier.

Hardly a contradiction.

It is not possible to acquire the title immediately unless you are on a high end alliance, or have opened multiple gifting crystals.
Reason why I'm speaking of alliances and the title, is because that was one of the requirements to get the title, according to Kabam itself, on the initial post. Which in my opinion, that shouldn't be applied as a requisite to a progression title that is classified to be an individual progression title.

TheTalents

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Also didn't you quit? Or let me guess you were saving yourself for Battlegrounds gtfoh lol.

I mean that's literally what I said when I stepped back last year 🤷🏻‍♂️.

It would do us a favor it that was permanent but hey keep on the cape for Kabam. Your displeasure for the game have been exposed through action so you should be the last one crying about people complaining.

PirateJon

Great! It’s ok not to have this on day one everybody. It’s something to push for

Pseudouber

GoDlyZor said:

Pseudouber said:

Sorry, if you purchased the Act 7 offer you are not FTP. Nobody would have just been expecting that offer and then also just happen to have those kinda units laying around. And you cant score high in the gifting eveny FTP. Also to be in a Higher-end alliance you would probably not be allowed to be a FTP player. 3 is a joke. Just finishing Act 7 100% would be an accomplishment in itself worthy of Paragon and you would have a 6* rank4. That should be good enough.

? a lot of people that don't spend money save up for july 4th and cyber weekend. Some other things like gifting event as well. but those are the two biggest events for units in the game. Personally, I had been saving up in anticipation of building up my stash for july 4th since gifting ended. It was to be expected that there would be a good deal from story content. It was the end of the act and end of act 6 was also a big deal for units just wasn't worth it as much but a lot has changed since. I didn't expect 10k but had expected 3k or 6k. I had around 8k saved. You can get over 7k units a month in the game f2p. I explored 7.4.1-7.4.5 and did not touch 7.4.6 until I had the units and was ready to buy the 10k deal.

I'm not in a masters alliance only P1/P2, I didn't score high in gifting.

7K seems pretty high. I guess if you grinded all arenas all day everyday. Most people cant place a game that much. But yeah like what you said didn't expect 10K and didn't have it and you are a saver.

BigManOnCampus

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

KT1 complains about everything , nothing new....

TheTalents

Demonzfyre said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Yes, we're top 20 lol. My complaint has nothing to do with my alliance spot. We're going to be top 20 regardless of the changes because we're a top alliance. That's how it works.

To base it on content that isn't permanent doesn't make sense that why 2 r4's should be the limit. It's not rocket science and I don't care if a player is FTP or not.

It's not based on temp content, it's based on what was available in that temp content to show that it's possible to have 3 r4s without spending on cash offers.

I never said it wasn't possible. I have a two free to play guys now in my alliance that will have 3 r4's very shortly so the argument isn't that 3 r4's are impossible. I just don't feel it is reasonable for what they're trying to accomplish.

Especially the immediate benefits players that won't have paragon will be receiving until then. If you personally don't care about waiting, good for you. That is not whom I'm speaking for at the moment. Hopefully that cleared up my perspective.

Worknprogress

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Also didn't you quit? Or let me guess you were saving yourself for Battlegrounds gtfoh lol.

I mean that's literally what I said when I stepped back last year 🤷🏻‍♂️.

It would do us a favor it that was permanent but hey keep on the cape for Kabam. Your displeasure for the game have been exposed through action so you should be the last one crying about people complaining.

It was shown by action. I stepped back from playing the game competitively for months and wasn't spending. That's what I do when I don't like something instead of just moaning about it constantly. I made one post and dipped. Maybe you should take your own advice

TheTalents

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Also didn't you quit? Or let me guess you were saving yourself for Battlegrounds gtfoh lol.

I mean that's literally what I said when I stepped back last year 🤷🏻‍♂️.

It would do us a favor it that was permanent but hey keep on the cape for Kabam. Your displeasure for the game have been exposed through action so you should be the last one crying about people complaining.

It was shown by action. I stepped back from playing the game competitively for months and wasn't spending. That's what I do when I don't like something instead of just moaning about it constantly. I made one post and dipped. Maybe you should take your own advice

I'm clearly not as unhappy as you are with the game. That's my point, so you coming in here talking about complaints when you've back tracked for months is a little hypocritical and I just wanted people to know that who think you actually have a strong position on this.

I've been running this train steady without a hitch for well over a couple years now, that still doesn't' change the fact that a 2 r4 requirement will be healthier progression in my opinion and at least give some players a buffer. Because 2 r4 champs material is available in game without a question, no need to spend or buy an offer.

SomeScope

Kabam is just really out of touch with their playerbase— this is even more controversial than the TB title, and it’s just been a day! The staff tries to prove that their terrible, money-grabby decisions are right instead of listening to the complaints and rationally looking for an option best for everyone, not just the big spenders (there’s already enough advantages that set them miles apart from the tryhard F2Ps and small whales).

IF Carina’s Challenges were supposed to be the peak of difficulty in the content, then yes you SHOULD be able to achieve Paragon title once you completed Volume 1 and 2 + 100% Act 7. I’ve been playing the game for over 5 years now, and each year that passes, more and more it seems like MCoC’s becoming a virtual wallet instead of the game I fell in love with and grinded for.

I’m currently exploring Act 7 Chapter 3 and 4, and knocking out some of Carina’s, but honestly the 3 R4 requirement is unattainable and unfair to me— I did the math and there’s nowhere near the amount of resources to R4 2 different champions. As a result of that, it’s nearly impossible to keep motivated and waste more hours on a game that just doesn’t care for its players.

Last complaint, the players that have been sticking with Kabam throughout all these months— experiencing issues with AQ/AW, wrong inputs and all that— we received ONE real compensation, around October 2021. I don’t consider the weekly packages, as I don’t partake in Alliance Modes. There’s been pots, revives and boosts expiring in my overflow for months now, I got no use for it.

CJL

Requirements

To obtain the designation of Paragon, you must complete Act 7 Chapter 4, and have 3x Rank 4 6-Star Champions in your Roster.

When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

While we wanted this next progression level to be a challenge to obtain, it was also important to us that we did not put this out of reach for skilled Summoners that choose not to purchase 6-Star Rank 4 Materials, and that this remains accessible (though difficult) for all Summoners to obtain, regardless of their monetary investments.

With that in mind, we made sure that on day 1, it was possible to do for a Summoner that has:

• Completed all of the Story Content in-game
  
• Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
  
• Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
  
• Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
  
• Purchased the Unit offer at the end of Act 7 Chapter 4
  

They way I understand it. I think some folks are misunderstanding the post about the requirement. It is not required to spend money to obtain this title. The post is merely explaining that people that have done these things already will have earned enough or had access to enough r4 materials to already have 3 x r4's and get this title day 1. If you have not completed all of these things by launch of the title, you will not have earned enough or had access to enough r4 materials to get the title day 1. It doesn't mean you have to do these things in order to get the title. It does not mean you have to play higher AQ or AW , It does not mean you will need to buy stuff. R4 materials will continue to become more available through many other means in the future both pay and F2P. No big deal if you cant have a title and access to the next account progression on day 1, it just means you have content left to do to grow your roster to that point. Think of it as a goal to motivate you for something in the future. Not being able to play certain content that may only become available to you based on your progression level is also fine IMO. We all know that each players has different needs and values the rewards differently at each level of account progression. Is it not logical to continue to separate the content, rewards and offers based on your roster and completion progress in the game? Makes sense IMO.

DrDrill

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Again, you aren't factoring AQ and AW 🤷

in a 'STORY progression title'. yeah right, I'm not factoring it.

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

pseudosane said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Well he is technically correct. If you did all the content and got every act7 deal, cyber/july4 deal you would have 3 r4s.

no where did he mention (july 4/act7 deal/cyber deals) so he is wrong

I did but whatever.

go ahead and underline it for me, or just admit you are wrong. end of discussion.

BigManOnCampus

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

I've been running this train steady without a hitch for well over a couple years now, that still doesn't' change the fact that a 2 r4 requirement will be healthier progression in my opinion and at least give some players a buffer. Because 2 r4 champs material is available in game without a question, no need to spend or buy an offer.

Is that really because you only have 2 ? 😏

Mastan95

So about the eternity of pain when can we expect information about the event?

TyEdge

TyEdge said:

It’s pretty simple, really.

First, offers based on progression.
Uncollected is the thing.
Cavalier comes next.
King? Pssh…Thronebreaker!

Kabam knows what they’re doing.
Anyone can guess what’s next generally.
But 3 champs was more than expected.
A lot of us would have accepted 2.
Maybe they’ll show us how to earn them.

Wasted. Sigh.

TheTalents

BigManOnCampus said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

I've been running this train steady without a hitch for well over a couple years now, that still doesn't' change the fact that a 2 r4 requirement will be healthier progression in my opinion and at least give some players a buffer. Because 2 r4 champs material is available in game without a question, no need to spend or buy an offer.

Is that really because you only have 2 ? 😏

I have 2 t3 alphas and 2 t6 basics. I will have 3 r4's by tomorrow with spring cleaning. This isn't about me. I've actually done all the content in game outside of two carina's. I said that already lol. If you spend and complete content like me its not a big deal. lol

I literally do not think 3 r4's is reason because someone like myself who has basically done everything and spends barely qualifies. So I think it is more reasonable to have 2 r4's because all of the material is there within permanent content and not having to buy offers.

DrDrill

BTW, 'Campaign' is a synonym for "solo content / story quest / main quest" in every single game available.
So great job making it "Campaign+" aka Solo + Cash + SQ + AQ + AW

Disgruntled_User_123

The reality is Kabam has to make money to keep the game going. The threshold question we have to ask ourselves is this: are we okay with spenders having an advantage in this game? In virtually all mobile games, that’s the design. So, unfortunately, if we accept that premise, then spenders should logically have more of an advantage against the free2play players. It’s harsh but it’s Darwinian Capitalism in display. While I fault Kabam for their greed by requiring 3 instead of 2 Rank 4s (which I think is reasonable), I think the greatest offense from Kabam is marketing. If they had just announced the Paragon title prior to the release of Act 7 with these specific requirements noted - so people had months to plan accordingly - I honestly don’t think it would have created this much outcry. Kabam needs to be better organized in their marketing structure by ensuring the marketers ACTUALLY play the game - if they fixed that, it would inform their decisions and create more reasonable communication with the community.

DrDrill

for the people who comparing this to TB title introduction,
back then, no matter where you are in the game, if you explored act 6, you will get your first r3 no matter what (main complain was about RNG factor in choosing first r3).
in here, even if you finished everything LITERALLY, you still won't be able to acquire the title.
if you want to make the argument similar, the act 7 offer should be permanent, not 24h offer.
this way, doing everything will give you the title, otherwise, it won't.

also, exploring act 6 probably costed ~4k units if you don't have best counter.
this title, it will cost you at least 40k units Act 7 offer = 10k / 7 abyss path = 24k / various challenges= 5k /
gifting + AQ+AW+July4 ...etc
so it better be worth it (probably not)

Terror

Christmas = 2000 GCCS = 3 New Rank 4 champs = Paragon. Akt 7 is not the problem. Money is the key. I need 1 more r4. Thanks kabam .

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Disgruntled_User_123 said:

The reality is Kabam has to make money to keep the game going. .

This is the same argument used for everything.
Not only it's a bad argument to begin with, but also it shouldn't be the reason why every piece of content in the game needs to be monetized. We have AQ with prestige alliances, we have AW with endless potions, arena with god knows how much unit refreshes, gifting event, money cleaning event, and much more.

MarcusUnread

GrassKnuckles said:

I wouldn’t call myself an amazing player by any means but I beat the entirety of act 7 without a R3 6* and F2P. I don’t know how to say this but I feel like my efforts should be rewarded than how many champions I have at the highest rank

You want to go see a movie 🎥 in the theater? You pay money for that entertainment.

You want to go to an amusement park 🎢? You pay money for that entertainment.

You want to go to a concert 🎸? You pay money for that entertainment.

Streaming service? You pay money for that entertainment.

And so on…


We all love MCOC otherwise we wouldn’t be on this forum touting, ranting, complaining, praising Kabam constantly.


Kabam is far from perfect, no question about that. They’ve made countless mistakes and continue to do so. The game has ongoing issues… but they are constantly working to fix these issues and provide compensation to all players, to include FTP.

The fact that players can get as far as they do without having to spend any money at all is just phenomenal.

This game has so many moving parts and the complexity it’s mind boggling. This takes a lot of hard work to create and maintain. The game provides so much ongoing entertainment for so many players, including those who can’t or refuse to spend any money at all.

Why not give credit where it’s due to the game developers and the entire Kabam staff?

Why not throw them a bone 🦴 since they made this game that we’re all so entertained by?

Why should FTP players get even remotely close in progression to that of a player that pays for entertainment?

Where does this entitlement come from? Still blows my mind 🤯

Credit where it’s due. Entertainment costs money.

XSquad

Idea here:

What if they added levels to the progression titles? 1 rank 4 equals Paragon level 1, 2 rank 4 = Paragon level 2, and 3 rank 4 = Paragon MAX. Each increase rewards or drops in various areas, while allowing those who completed story and many other areas to gain access to content and deals they should get. It would also give the very top players their unique and rare title over others.

Demonzfyre

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Demonzfyre said:

DrDrill said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Evolves2 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

This 100%. The ones that are doing the most complaining are the ones that won't be Paragon day 1 so because of that, they think it's a garbage decision….

FOMO is all it is…

People have decided that the title is right and proper if they have already got 2 Rank 4s, or are close to getting them. They haven’t realised that the title is for the future of the game, not for today.

To contribute to the discussion, do you both think it’s fair to base a progression title in a game on a promise of more content, without knowing what the rewards are or with what frequency they will be dropped?

Do you both believe that it is fair to say that a valid route to get to this new progression title would have been to do five different steps, including spending 10,000-12,000 units, without any knowledge of it being linked to a progression title?

What do you define as a campaign progression title? Because I don’t believe the majority of the player base’s idea lines up with what the team has announced.

And lastly, do you both think that new content, such as EOP, should have exclusive objectives and rewards for these new title holders within a month or two after release, especially when considering there’s no feasible method (permanent content) to get you to that benchmark?

Sorry but it's possible to have 3 R4's at this point without having spent real money. Just because it's not "feasible" in your head, doesn't mean it can't happen.

And yes, its fair to base a title on future content. This title isn't meant for everyone to have on release, its meant to have something to work towards. If you had 3 R4's right now, you wouldn't be of this opinion. You can't base a new title on story content alone because it doesn't hold enough weight in terms of difficulty. It's leagues easier than Act 6 even after the nerf plus they increased paradox charges from 8 to 12 which decreases the difficulty even more.

I agree with you that it is possible without having spent real money, that was never in question - the developers even laid out how it was possible, which I’m taking at face value. I’m disagreeing that a day 1 Campaign progression title is being based off of deals (and seemingly everything from alliances to temporary content). It’s not feasible to attain now, because there’s no permanent content or deals available now.

If you believe that it’s fair to base a title on future content, that’s alright. People disagree, and I think from your previous posts I see your point. I’m always okay with something I have to work towards; I’m of the opinion there just needs to be something to work towards when announcing it. When Thronebreaker came out, I didn’t qualify day 1 or even month 1. I worked hard to get there by taking on content that was available just to rank 3 a 6* Wasp. And I don’t regret it.

I haven’t been on the forums much for you to know me, but I still would be part of this opinion with even 3 r4 champs. It’s not because it affects me personally, it’s because it’s a complete change in the trend and a different set of requirements. I have no clue what will come after this, but I don’t like this trend and I don’t want it now or in the future.

I agree you cannot base a progression title on story content, but basing it on the metrics the game team has used, specifically temporary content and deals, I disagree with. I agree with the team it should be roster dependent, but it should be doable with the content in the game as it currently stands. That is why many say 2 rank 4’s are fair, because it means it is attainable via permanent content such as both Carina’s + Act 7. If there were variants or other permanent content that offered drops of r4 materials, I would say that 3 r4’s are fair.

The people saying 2 are the ones who are only doing the content they wanted to get to 2 r4s. They aren't doing everything in game that could net them 3 r4s.

Some of those with 2, couldn't do SoP when it came out or Gauntlet because they weren't ready or weren't the right level. That's not Kabams fault as they specifically said this title is aimed at those who have done everything the encompass in their calculations. They know this severely limits the pool of Paragons and that's fine. We all can still work to this title.

This isnt any different than the people that claim there's a gold shortage in game but won't do arena to sustain their gold reserves.

There are ways to get R4 mats but it boils down to that most don't want to do some of those things like top 45 AQ and p1/masters AW.

People want Kabam to fit their own personal progression and that varies for everyone.

Like I said before, new titles going forward should be ones no one can get day one. Put to rest all this mess for the future.

stop spreading lies,
doing everything in game doesn't give you 3 r4
I did SoP/Guntlet/every single content that gives r4 materials/act7/abyss/carina.
and I'm half way throw the 3rd one, so the ONLY possible way to get the title day 1 is buying the 1st bundle of act 7 completion, which was optional, and no hints of new title the REQUIRE the bundle, so people could act accordingly (wait until they got the unit before completing the act).

so before saying same thing over and over again replying to every single one with valid argument, learn how to do math and double check before saying BS.

P.S. I'll not reply, just to stat facts rather than stat crab just to be kabam white knight.
I don't care that much to waste tons of hours waiting to respond to every single counter argument to my opinion, since either ways, I don't give that crab about 10% more chance for l3 potion and 0.05% for t6 basic fragment from daily crystals.

Again, you aren't factoring AQ and AW 🤷

Personal opinion, but to be honest, I think that alliance's should be completely irrelevant to determine your individual progression title.

Qacob said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Qacob said:

TyEdge said:

. What r4 mats can I get right now? Whatever Carina stuff I haven’t done, and some scraps in act 7. If I got every bit of available r4 materials right now, I might barely have enough for two, but nowhere near a third.

In short, the problem is that they’ve announced a title with no way to get it besides waiting for content or spending.

Unless you have actually done EVERYTHING, then you get no sympathy from me. The title is made for people who are the very best and have done everything to prove it.

That's not true. Even if you have everything done, and bought all offers, the title still isn't for you. Because you would still not be able to get it

I didn't say you'd get the title lol. I said you'd get my sympathy.

Nice, how do I trade that sympathy for rank 4 materials?

Alliances are irrelevant to the title. There are R4 mats in top AQ and AW. That's what's factored into the totals of available mats..

You're contradicting yourself there.

I'm not.

Demonzfyre

TheTalents said:

Demonzfyre said:

TheTalents said:

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Worknprogress said:

pseudosane said:

TheTalents said:

BitterSteel said:

Mackey said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.

Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.

That is not the same case as this new title.

If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature

So how come KT1 and myself are complaining and we'll qualify for Paragon? Maybe people just actually have a difference of opinion and it has nothing to do with our personal accounts.

Lol you are lumping yourself with someone with different reasons completely. You just dont wanna lose your aq spot, your interest is nothing more than that.

Give him another 30min and I'm sure he'll remind everyone where his alliance places in AQ.

Yes, we're top 20 lol. My complaint has nothing to do with my alliance spot. We're going to be top 20 regardless of the changes because we're a top alliance. That's how it works.

To base it on content that isn't permanent doesn't make sense that why 2 r4's should be the limit. It's not rocket science and I don't care if a player is FTP or not.

It's not based on temp content, it's based on what was available in that temp content to show that it's possible to have 3 r4s without spending on cash offers.

I never said it wasn't possible. I have a two free to play guys now in my alliance that will have 3 r4's very shortly so the argument isn't that 3 r4's are impossible. I just don't feel it is reasonable for what they're trying to accomplish.

Especially the immediate benefits players that won't have paragon will be receiving until then. If you personally don't care about waiting, good for you. That is not whom I'm speaking for at the moment. Hopefully that cleared up my perspective.

What Kabam wants to accomplish is to rel8a title that's aimed at a specific group of people and will allow others to work towards that.

What the community wants is for them to release a new title specific to their own progress because they feel left out.

Seraph

I suspect the Spring Cleaning Event will give a lot of players the "opportunity" to get a 3rd R4 ....