Ok, lot of stuff going on here. Overall, I'm a little hesitant, with some good, some bad, and some definitely ugly.
The good, I think that 6*s will be relevant for a long time with the addition of ascension. Assuming 7*s launch where a rank 1 level 25 6* is equivalent to a 6* rank 4. (The same way that a 6* Rank 1 level 25 is equivalent to a 5* rank 4) . Then when you consider ascension, which adds an extra rank on your 6* champion. This means we have the following
6* Rank 4 = 7* Rank 1 = 6* rank 3 ascended
6* Rank 5 = 7* Rank 2 = 6* Rank 4 ascended
6* Rank 5 ascended = 7* rank 3
And I mean, when you consider how many Rank 4 6*s you have right now, and how many you'd need to stop using your 6* rank 3s - this means that our 6* rank 5s that we ascend are pretty easily going to keep up with our 7* Rank 4s which are essentially 1 rank above. So it's only when 7* rank 5s come out that 6*s are going to be anywhere near obsolete. And we don't even have 6* Rank 5s out yet, and 6*s were added 3 and a half years ago.
This means, assuming the same pattern for 7*s we have a good 3 years before our 6*s stop being relevant. This is a good part of the announcement, and in my view respects any investment in 6*s.
Relics adding abilities to champions seems cool, things like increased DOT, duration etc, are good ideas where stat boosts and effect boosts can be used in interesting ways for our favourite champions.
Now the bad and the ugly, I still think 7*s are here too soon. I thought this with 6*s being added before we could get 5* rank 5s, and I still think it now that 7*s are being added the same time as 6* rank 5s are only a glint in a whales eye. I would have liked to see another 6-9 months before we had this announcement for 7*s.
I also don't like that relics seem to be built around strikers, it may be just me personally, but I didn't enjoy strikers too much. I'll hold my judgement until I see it in action, but I'm not excited about them right now. I also don't like too much that they contribute to prestige but ah well, that's pretty stale at the moment.
I am worried about how ascension will be done, if it becomes harder to ascend a champion than get a 7*, this could be useless, as why invest the effort into ascending when you could just focus on 7*s. I hope it's not monetised too heavily, or it will seem like "Hey, we really want your 6*s to be useful... as long as you pay". They can be monetised, but easily accessible to obtain by playing.
I gotta say, the way some of you are crying over being able to get even stronger in a game and saying things like just let the game die, makes me wonder why you even play the game to begin with.
I think the idea for the let it die people is that instead of ruining what was a good game that they loved, just call it and make a new game.
That works for console games. But not a live service mobile game that still makes the same amount of money or more 8 years after launch lol.
Reading this thread is such a flashback to 2017, all the comments are exactly the same, just replacing 6 with 7
And the folks who were angry 5 years ago are now 5 years further along, many have kids that they didn't have then, mortgages... other real life situations. Starting the chase all over again from scratch just isn't worth the time and energy commitment for a large amount of us
But you aren't really starting from scratch. The way they have all this coming out but 7*'s is more like a side quest. If I'm able to make a R5 6* as strong as a R1 or 2 7*, that's not really starting over. I'm just building on 7*'s on the side.
This is the complete opposite of what people want. There are so many other things we would have preferred (mastery update, wish crystals, new EQ difficulty, Alliance War changes, more champion buffs). We literally don’t even have rank 5 6 stars.
At the same time they announce 7*s, they still have events and crystals for veteran top tier players that give premium crystal shards, 3*s, etc. I mean, SA rewards are like 3 years outdated. They really need to update other aspects of game if they are going to pull this stuff on the player base!
The ideas of Relics is pretty cool too be honest, but Iam really scared about 7 star champions. This sounds horrible... So much people of the player base are still working extremely hard and put lots of time & effort on building/collecting their 6 star rooster. And still R5 six star champions are not even in the game. Reminds me to the introduction of 6 stars back in 2017...
Also Kabum can't even handle a balanced cheater free new Battlegrounds game mode with fair and accessible rewards or simple bug fixes to patch visual effect issues or the practice function.
There are lots of things to fix before bringing 7 star champs to the game.
I have said this before and I realise that I’m not in the majority here, but I don’t necessarily think I’m going to be in as big a minority as I would have been 6 months ago, but the principle of 7* champions is not a problem for me. It depends entirely on their implementation into the game.
I’m not a whale, I think in the last two years I’ve spent a total of around £50 at the most, I am however, deep in the endgame and my roster reflects that. I have ~160 6* and around 200 5*. As a result I’ve got most of the good 6* in the game, and most of those are R2+, with many R3. This means that I’m chasing new releases and the odd awakening here and there; 6* are pretty boring to open now and I wouldn’t mind the excitement of a 7* opening.
The concern that I’d have is my 6* become instantly irrelevant, or close to inside 6 months or so. The same goes for relics, especially if they have prestige implications - there is a real risk that MCoC goes from teetering on the tightrope of P2W to falling into an abyss that can’t be climbed out of.
Ascension should be the thing replace 7* , it's really a great ideal that boost champ without have to bulid 7* roster over again. About relics, neutral , it's depend on how Kabam implement in game, it's could be a great way to buff champs without rework them.
This is the complete opposite of what people want. There are so many other things we would have preferred (mastery update, wish crystals, new EQ difficulty, Alliance War changes, more champion buffs). We literally don’t even have rank 5 6 stars.
100%, hermano. It seems a portion of Kabam is very out of touch with what their customers (us) want. They can absolutely serve up these unwanted progression systems, but when their cash flow hemorrhages as we vets leave as a consequence or just stop spending, that's theirs to own.
We had a choose your 6* champ offer on July 4th. It was clear that 6* time was coming to an end. Without the chase of the next thing, there is no game.
While all of this is fine, I will withhold my personal opinions because quite frankly they don't matter.
But what about the previous roadmap items such as reworking masteries, the "buff program" and other various items that the community was ACTUALLY EXCITED for and WANTED?
Also, are relics going to be useable in all game modes like AW?
While all of this is fine, I will withhold my personal opinions because quite frankly they don't matter.
But what about the previous roadmap items such as reworking masteries, the "buff program" and other various items that the community was ACTUALLY EXCITED for and WANTED?
Also, are relics going to be useable in all game modes like AW?
Eventually I assume they will be. At launch though only certain areas.
Honestly I hated the idea of relics but I think they look great so far. That being said the way they're introduced could be garbage if they're P2W.
Ascension needs to be done perfectly to be good and 7 stars will rely on ascension.
If we can grow our 7 star rosters while keeping 6 stars extremely relevant with ascension it would work out great. I think what they're aiming for is that our 7 star rosters should be as built as our 6 star rosters are now by the time 7 stars actually overpower them but again that completely relies on ascension not just succeeding but exceeding all expectation.
And with all these ways to increase champ power content difficulty is going to need a major tune-up
The concern that I’d have is my 6* become instantly irrelevant, or close to inside 6 months or so.
This is my concern too, but in a post above I laid out how the 6* ranks will progress now we have ascension. I'll copy it here, because (for me) it makes me feel better about how useful my 6*s will be for the next few years:
Assuming 7*s launch where a rank 1 level 25 6* is equivalent to a 6* rank 4. (The same way that a 6* Rank 1 level 25 is equivalent to a 5* rank 4) . Then when you consider ascension, which adds an extra rank on your 6* champion. This means we have the following
6* Rank 4 = 7* Rank 1
6* Rank 5 = 7* Rank 2
6* Rank 5 ascended = 7* rank 3
And I mean, when you consider how many Rank 4 6*s you have right now, and how many you'd need to stop using your 6* rank 3s - this means that our 6* rank 5s that we ascend are pretty easily going to keep up with our 7* Rank 4s which are essentially 1 rank above. So it's only when 7* rank 5s come out that 6*s are going to be anywhere near obsolete. And we don't even have 6* Rank 5s out yet, and 6*s were added 3 and a half years ago.
This means, assuming the same pattern for 7*s we have a good 3 years before our 6*s stop being relevant. This is a good part of the announcement, and in my view respects any investment in 6*s.
Reading this thread is such a flashback to 2017, all the comments are exactly the same, just replacing 6 with 7
And the folks who were angry 5 years ago are now 5 years further along, many have kids that they didn't have then, mortgages... other real life situations. Starting the chase all over again from scratch just isn't worth the time and energy commitment for a large amount of us
But you aren't really starting from scratch. The way they have all this coming out but 7*'s is more like a side quest. If I'm able to make a R5 6* as strong as a R1 or 2 7*, that's not really starting over. I'm just building on 7*'s on the side.
So in other words prestige doesn't exist at the top of the game?
All this doesn’t sound too bad to be honest. HOWEVER, please start ramping up the difficulty or making new levels of content (ie paragon EQ). What is the point in chasing 7 stars or collecting relics if everything can be done pretty easily with normal r3 6 stars and lower?
And by new levels of content I don’t mean 2 years after the intro of 7 stars…I mean like these things need to drop simultaneously
I must be miss reading something. I take full blame for that. But after reading the entire initial blog I am finding ascension at cross purposes with 7’s.
If I read it correctly I can bump my 6’s to potentially 7 * level? If that’s the case why would I chase both?
At least initially. Yeah sure maybe 2 years down the road I’ll work on mats and iso collection for pumping up 7’s. But for me as a casual player who is never ever going to increase the time in game now, I am not about to divide my efforts for goals that are almost the same thing. If an ascended 6 will be the same as 7 rank 2 I don’t see any real benefit.
I knew it was coming. I'm looking forward to it. Perhaps I'm a bit skeptical, but I think some may stop playing, most who say they will won't, many people will be indifferent, and a good number will continue being excited and building. I've seen it happen more than once now. The game will go on.
I dont know how I feel about 7 stars, but I'd honestly prefer the "wish crystals" delivered first before this. Collecting my most wanted champs to add to my roster.
Introduction of 6 stars was exciting for me, but the sound of doing it all again for 7* doesnt. On top of all on-going issues, rewards and crystal progressions still lagging. This just doesnt sound exciting. I dont want to say this lightly, but Id seriously consider retiring my account
Reading this thread is such a flashback to 2017, all the comments are exactly the same, just replacing 6 with 7
And the folks who were angry 5 years ago are now 5 years further along, many have kids that they didn't have then, mortgages... other real life situations. Starting the chase all over again from scratch just isn't worth the time and energy commitment for a large amount of us
But you aren't really starting from scratch. The way they have all this coming out but 7*'s is more like a side quest. If I'm able to make a R5 6* as strong as a R1 or 2 7*, that's not really starting over. I'm just building on 7*'s on the side.
So in other words prestige doesn't exist at the top of the game?
I mean, prestige is really only important to a tiny tiny subset of the top end players, I'm paragon with only 3 r4s and I have a good enough prestige to get into a pretty high alliance if I wanted. As long as you're not competing for absolute top end aq, I don't think it's likely that you would really need 7*s. And if you are pushing for top end aq you are probably no stranger to whaling out for new prestige champs
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The good, I think that 6*s will be relevant for a long time with the addition of ascension. Assuming 7*s launch where a rank 1 level 25 6* is equivalent to a 6* rank 4. (The same way that a 6* Rank 1 level 25 is equivalent to a 5* rank 4) . Then when you consider ascension, which adds an extra rank on your 6* champion. This means we have the following
6* Rank 4 = 7* Rank 1 = 6* rank 3 ascended
6* Rank 5 = 7* Rank 2 = 6* Rank 4 ascended
6* Rank 5 ascended = 7* rank 3
And I mean, when you consider how many Rank 4 6*s you have right now, and how many you'd need to stop using your 6* rank 3s - this means that our 6* rank 5s that we ascend are pretty easily going to keep up with our 7* Rank 4s which are essentially 1 rank above. So it's only when 7* rank 5s come out that 6*s are going to be anywhere near obsolete. And we don't even have 6* Rank 5s out yet, and 6*s were added 3 and a half years ago.
This means, assuming the same pattern for 7*s we have a good 3 years before our 6*s stop being relevant. This is a good part of the announcement, and in my view respects any investment in 6*s.
Relics adding abilities to champions seems cool, things like increased DOT, duration etc, are good ideas where stat boosts and effect boosts can be used in interesting ways for our favourite champions.
Now the bad and the ugly, I still think 7*s are here too soon. I thought this with 6*s being added before we could get 5* rank 5s, and I still think it now that 7*s are being added the same time as 6* rank 5s are only a glint in a whales eye. I would have liked to see another 6-9 months before we had this announcement for 7*s.
I also don't like that relics seem to be built around strikers, it may be just me personally, but I didn't enjoy strikers too much. I'll hold my judgement until I see it in action, but I'm not excited about them right now. I also don't like too much that they contribute to prestige but ah well, that's pretty stale at the moment.
I am worried about how ascension will be done, if it becomes harder to ascend a champion than get a 7*, this could be useless, as why invest the effort into ascending when you could just focus on 7*s. I hope it's not monetised too heavily, or it will seem like "Hey, we really want your 6*s to be useful... as long as you pay". They can be monetised, but easily accessible to obtain by playing.
This sounds horrible... So much people of the player base are still working extremely hard and put lots of time & effort on building/collecting their 6 star rooster. And still R5 six star champions are not even in the game.
Reminds me to the introduction of 6 stars back in 2017...
Also Kabum can't even handle a balanced cheater free new Battlegrounds game mode with fair and accessible rewards or simple bug fixes to patch visual effect issues or the practice function.
There are lots of things to fix before bringing 7 star champs to the game.
I’m not a whale, I think in the last two years I’ve spent a total of around £50 at the most, I am however, deep in the endgame and my roster reflects that. I have ~160 6* and around 200 5*. As a result I’ve got most of the good 6* in the game, and most of those are R2+, with many R3. This means that I’m chasing new releases and the odd awakening here and there; 6* are pretty boring to open now and I wouldn’t mind the excitement of a 7* opening.
The concern that I’d have is my 6* become instantly irrelevant, or close to inside 6 months or so. The same goes for relics, especially if they have prestige implications - there is a real risk that MCoC goes from teetering on the tightrope of P2W to falling into an abyss that can’t be climbed out of.
I don’t want it.
But what about the previous roadmap items such as reworking masteries, the "buff program" and other various items that the community was ACTUALLY EXCITED for and WANTED?
Also, are relics going to be useable in all game modes like AW?
Ascension needs to be done perfectly to be good and 7 stars will rely on ascension.
If we can grow our 7 star rosters while keeping 6 stars extremely relevant with ascension it would work out great. I think what they're aiming for is that our 7 star rosters should be as built as our 6 star rosters are now by the time 7 stars actually overpower them but again that completely relies on ascension not just succeeding but exceeding all expectation.
And with all these ways to increase champ power content difficulty is going to need a major tune-up
Assuming 7*s launch where a rank 1 level 25 6* is equivalent to a 6* rank 4. (The same way that a 6* Rank 1 level 25 is equivalent to a 5* rank 4) . Then when you consider ascension, which adds an extra rank on your 6* champion. This means we have the following
6* Rank 4 = 7* Rank 1
6* Rank 5 = 7* Rank 2
6* Rank 5 ascended = 7* rank 3
And I mean, when you consider how many Rank 4 6*s you have right now, and how many you'd need to stop using your 6* rank 3s - this means that our 6* rank 5s that we ascend are pretty easily going to keep up with our 7* Rank 4s which are essentially 1 rank above. So it's only when 7* rank 5s come out that 6*s are going to be anywhere near obsolete. And we don't even have 6* Rank 5s out yet, and 6*s were added 3 and a half years ago.
This means, assuming the same pattern for 7*s we have a good 3 years before our 6*s stop being relevant. This is a good part of the announcement, and in my view respects any investment in 6*s.
And by new levels of content I don’t mean 2 years after the intro of 7 stars…I mean like these things need to drop simultaneously
If I read it correctly I can bump my 6’s to potentially 7 * level? If that’s the case why would I chase both?
At least initially. Yeah sure maybe 2 years down the road I’ll work on mats and iso collection for pumping up 7’s. But for me as a casual player who is never ever going to increase the time in game now, I am not about to divide my efforts for goals that are almost the same thing. If an ascended 6 will be the same as 7 rank 2 I don’t see any real benefit.
but I'd honestly prefer the "wish crystals" delivered first before this. Collecting my most wanted champs to add to my roster.
Introduction of 6 stars was exciting for me, but the sound of doing it all again for 7* doesnt.
On top of all on-going issues, rewards and crystal progressions still lagging. This just doesnt sound exciting.
I dont want to say this lightly, but Id seriously consider retiring my account