Congrats to everyone who derailed the thread and somehow made it about matchmaking when that's not what the post was about at all. This was about rewarding weaker accounts when they do beat a player ten times stronger than them.
Why on earth should that even be a thing? What if the "stronger? account has connection issues? What if their game crashes?
Where does beating a "Stronger" account ever equal to gaining more than beating an "equal" account? What game out there has this mechanic?
If the game crashes so much that's is actually an issue then 1. Kabam needs to fix their game or 2. You need to buy a new phone.
I haven't played any games that have the exact same mechanics like the one OP is asking for but games like Dead by Daylight do have very similar ones with MMR. You win against someone with less MMR than you, you get the same amount of points or sometimes less if your MMR is way above theirs. When you beat someone with a higher MMR than yours, you get more points than you normally would by beating someone with same or lower MMR than you.
That is something that exists in Gladiator Circuit already
Personally I'm fine with the Matchmaking as it is. I proposed something to incentivize Players starting out, and that's what we have. Inevitably, some people will be upset when they hit the random Matches. I still empathize with them, and I don't think it's helpful to gloat about it. That's my issue. They'll air their grievances and they'll adjust to it eventually. My two main concerns are manipulation and the structure. Camping, Tanking, all of that behavior monopolizes positions and just acts as a stopper for people who are playing and genuinely trying to progress Match after Match. That will be an ongoing concern of mine because it's not an easy fix. I have ideas, but I'll reserve them for now. The other concern is the structure. The Win/Loss ratio is more than just 50/50 when the Tokens from Gold 1 up are one per Win. It's supposed to be a challenge. No question. I don't think that should mean it's a head bashing exercise. Up, down, up, down, the occasional lower Player giving up and Forfeiting, then up, down, up, down. All before you even get to the point of Ranking. I'd be happy with something of an adjustment to those 10 Tiers. Seeding in this format isn't helping the grind of the climb much at all.
Congrats to everyone who derailed the thread and somehow made it about matchmaking when that's not what the post was about at all. This was about rewarding weaker accounts when they do beat a player ten times stronger than them.
Why on earth should that even be a thing? What if the "stronger? account has connection issues? What if their game crashes?
Where does beating a "Stronger" account ever equal to gaining more than beating an "equal" account? What game out there has this mechanic?
If the game crashes so much that's is actually an issue then 1. Kabam needs to fix their game or 2. You need to buy a new phone.
I haven't played any games that have the exact same mechanics like the one OP is asking for but games like Dead by Daylight do have very similar ones with MMR. You win against someone with less MMR than you, you get the same amount of points or sometimes less if your MMR is way above theirs. When you beat someone with a higher MMR than yours, you get more points than you normally would by beating someone with same or lower MMR than you.
That is something that exists in Gladiator Circuit already
Doesn't exist in VT though, which was kinda the whole point of the post.
I'd be happy with something of an adjustment to those 10 Tiers. Seeding in this format isn't helping the grind of the climb much at all.
Yeah sorry but for some reason the changes you propose only favor the smaller accounts getting to Plat2 and leaves the seeded GC players with the same grind.
I'd be happy with something of an adjustment to those 10 Tiers. Seeding in this format isn't helping the grind of the climb much at all.
Yeah sorry but for some reason the changes you propose only favor the smaller accounts getting to Plat2 and leaves the seeded GC players with the same grind.
I never suggested the changes to the Tokens and Tiers. Not sure where you're getting that from. Anyone who has to go from Gold 1 (Plat 3) up has to do that grind. So....follow along.
You can't use BG as an example. He makes a job out of that. I mean, good on him. He's just not something Players can aspire to. That's half the reason people think there's actually a chance at keeping up with people who spend mass amounts of money.
They are looking for "the best of the best" and one of the best f2p if not the best one can't be used as an example, very interesting take.
As an example of how spending doesn't matter? No. It's not an example that applies to everyone.
Good old GW arguments, pick the parts that he can refute, what about the skill part? Are you saying that it doesn't apply to everyone cause they are not skillful? Yet they want rewards? Seems entitled to me 🤣
I never said he wasn't skilled. Sounds like you're picking the argument yourself.
The best F2P player shows for years how he can be succesful as a F2P player and until recent shows how he is able to hang in a top alliance, also decides to quit because he feels like he is holding back one of the best alliances; but that's not an example that applies to everyone. Skill overcoming spending up to a point is not something that applies to EVERY player. Why are you even playing then?
I said one exceptional example who dedicated the majority of his time to proving you can hang without spending isn't an example that can apply to showing all Players that spending doesn't mean you can't compete at the Top Tier. Context. It matters.
No, you just don't like that there's proof that BGs aren't all about spending and account size. You don't want to admit that skill and smart decisions are a huge part of the game.
That doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I'm making the point that people cannot go head-to-head with people who spend large amounts of money, nor should they. That's the whole idea that fuels this "F2P vs. P2P" narrative.
Why would that hurt your feelings? Why is this so personal to you?
And you're arguing against proof that you don't need to spend to compete. It's a fact yet you keep arguing against it.
In any case, I'm talking about the Matches that have such a difference in Rosters that it means even if both sides play with perfect technique, one side will lose. It's just a certainty with the backdrop of how Champs interact with each other in combination of Nodes. So my question is, how is it a measure of performance when both performances are perfect, and one has no choice but to lose?
We call those matches "all the matches." Because in every match, if both players draft and play perfectly, the side with the stronger roster will win. Because outside of random chance generating a completely busted draft what else would decide who wins?
Right. My point is, you can't claim that Roster size has no bearing at all with that fact.
Literally, no one is saying that. Some are just showing you that it's not the ONLY thing that matters.
You can't use BG as an example. He makes a job out of that. I mean, good on him. He's just not something Players can aspire to. That's half the reason people think there's actually a chance at keeping up with people who spend mass amounts of money.
They are looking for "the best of the best" and one of the best f2p if not the best one can't be used as an example, very interesting take.
As an example of how spending doesn't matter? No. It's not an example that applies to everyone.
Good old GW arguments, pick the parts that he can refute, what about the skill part? Are you saying that it doesn't apply to everyone cause they are not skillful? Yet they want rewards? Seems entitled to me 🤣
I never said he wasn't skilled. Sounds like you're picking the argument yourself.
The best F2P player shows for years how he can be succesful as a F2P player and until recent shows how he is able to hang in a top alliance, also decides to quit because he feels like he is holding back one of the best alliances; but that's not an example that applies to everyone. Skill overcoming spending up to a point is not something that applies to EVERY player. Why are you even playing then?
I said one exceptional example who dedicated the majority of his time to proving you can hang without spending isn't an example that can apply to showing all Players that spending doesn't mean you can't compete at the Top Tier. Context. It matters.
No, you just don't like that there's proof that BGs aren't all about spending and account size. You don't want to admit that skill and smart decisions are a huge part of the game.
That doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I'm making the point that people cannot go head-to-head with people who spend large amounts of money, nor should they. That's the whole idea that fuels this "F2P vs. P2P" narrative.
Why would that hurt your feelings? Why is this so personal to you?
And you're arguing against proof that you don't need to spend to compete. It's a fact yet you keep arguing against it.
I said Brian Grant isn't an example that applies to all Players. I never said anything about spending money in BGs if you mean competing there. I did say that it's not possible for people to go head-to-head with big spenders for free. Which is true, even in the most basic sense. How do you expect people to grind the equivalent of thousands of dollars? I'd really like to know why it's the same two people who keep commenting over and over whenever I have something to say in these discussions. It's getting obvious.
You can't use BG as an example. He makes a job out of that. I mean, good on him. He's just not something Players can aspire to. That's half the reason people think there's actually a chance at keeping up with people who spend mass amounts of money.
They are looking for "the best of the best" and one of the best f2p if not the best one can't be used as an example, very interesting take.
As an example of how spending doesn't matter? No. It's not an example that applies to everyone.
Good old GW arguments, pick the parts that he can refute, what about the skill part? Are you saying that it doesn't apply to everyone cause they are not skillful? Yet they want rewards? Seems entitled to me 🤣
I never said he wasn't skilled. Sounds like you're picking the argument yourself.
The best F2P player shows for years how he can be succesful as a F2P player and until recent shows how he is able to hang in a top alliance, also decides to quit because he feels like he is holding back one of the best alliances; but that's not an example that applies to everyone. Skill overcoming spending up to a point is not something that applies to EVERY player. Why are you even playing then?
I said one exceptional example who dedicated the majority of his time to proving you can hang without spending isn't an example that can apply to showing all Players that spending doesn't mean you can't compete at the Top Tier. Context. It matters.
No, you just don't like that there's proof that BGs aren't all about spending and account size. You don't want to admit that skill and smart decisions are a huge part of the game.
That doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I'm making the point that people cannot go head-to-head with people who spend large amounts of money, nor should they. That's the whole idea that fuels this "F2P vs. P2P" narrative.
Why would that hurt your feelings? Why is this so personal to you?
And you're arguing against proof that you don't need to spend to compete. It's a fact yet you keep arguing against it.
I said Brian Grant isn't an example that applies to all Players. I never said anything about spending money in BGs if you mean competing there. I did say that it's not possible for people to go head-to-head with big spenders for free. Which is true, even in the most basic sense. How do you expect people to grind the equivalent of thousands of dollars? I'd really like to know why it's the same two people who keep commenting over and over whenever I have something to say in these discussions. It's getting obvious.
You can't just not include BG because he proves that your argument is wrong. You are wrong that people can't go head to head with spenders. It's a proven fact that you are wrong. There is no discussion to be had.
If you stopped arguing against proven facts I'd stop proving you wrong.
You're not even listening to what I said so why bother responding anymore. He wasn't head-to-head with spenders. He was/is playing at the top level without spending. He also makes a job out of it. Everytime something is being sold, we hear "What about the FTP?", as if it's a priority for people to have the same everything without spending. For that matter, I'm not discrediting his efforts or progress. What I'm saying is if you're using that as an example for other Players without taking into account the other factors, you're misleading people. You will never have everything for free that you can buy with 50k a month. That's a fact.
If your argument was "It's not possible for people who refuse to put in the time and effort to build their rosters and skills to go head-to-head with big spenders for free" then you would have a point. You would be wrong that those people should get propelled through the VT but you'd have a factual argument.
But you are including all people and that's factually wrong.
You're not even listening to what I said so why bother responding anymore. He wasn't head-to-head with spenders. He was/is playing at the top level without spending. He also makes a job out of it. Everytime something is being sold, we hear "What about the FTP?", as if it's a priority for people to have the same everything without spending. For that matter, I'm not discrediting his efforts or progress. What I'm saying is if you're using that as an example for other Players without taking into account the other factors, you're misleading people. You will never have everything for free that you can buy with 50k a month. That's a fact.
He hasn't been at a top level in almost 2 years and clearly doesn't play much anymore if you watch his streams. Also, nothing BG has done is only achievable by him. He's just done it. Because you, and others, refuse to build your roster and skill through time and hard work doesn't mean that it's unachievable.
Be honest with yourself about what you have really done to put yourself in the best position to succeed in BGs. -Have you completed all content to earn the most amount of rewards to build your roster? -Have you participated in and tried all of the difficult challenges that they've released to build your skills? -Have you been smart with your rank-ups and resources? -Have you put the time in the arena to build your stash to 18k+ units for the known big deals that come on Cyber Weekend and 4th of July? -Have you practiced fighting with and against the new champs to learn how they work? -Have you joined a competitive alliance that pushes Masters or Plat AW and Map 8? -Have you saved shards to target the top BG champs in featured crystals? -Do you record your AW/BG fights to watch back and learn what you could do to get better? -Do you watch the top players who post their AW/BG matches to learn how they use and fight players?
If your answer is "no" to most or all of these questions, then you're not putting in enough to be demanding you place higher in BGs.
Again, you're twisting what I'm saying to fit your own narrative, and my points have absolutely nothing to do with where I'm at. You're limiting your example to the most extreme amount of effort, and that's not even something that applies to all of the Players who are in the GC. Just the select few that make the game a full-time job. If that's your standard for what BGs is designed for, then your arrogance is surpassing your logic.
Again, you're twisting what I'm saying to fit your own narrative, and my points have absolutely nothing to do with where I'm at. You're limiting your example to the most extreme amount of effort, and that's not even something that applies to all of the Players who are in the GC. Just the select few that make the game a full-time job. If that's your standard for what BGs is designed for, then your arrogance is surpassing your logic.
Most extreme amount of effort? What on earth have you been doing during your 8 years of experience then. Most active players have done one or the other just to hang at mid level.
Again, you're twisting what I'm saying to fit your own narrative, and my points have absolutely nothing to do with where I'm at. You're limiting your example to the most extreme amount of effort, and that's not even something that applies to all of the Players who are in the GC. Just the select few that make the game a full-time job. If that's your standard for what BGs is designed for, then your arrogance is surpassing your logic.
I'll grant you that it may be extreme, however that doesn't make it unrealistic.
Anytime someone contradicts you with solid facts, your response is that "You're twisting my words."
What words were twisted? For a brief recap, you said skill cannot overcome roster size. BG was given as an example of someone who routinely does that. You said BG isn't an example others can aspire to (odd, cause last I checked, he isn't a super human). Specific steps were shown on things someone could do to improve their skills, and you're saying that's not realistic.
So I'm sure you'll tell me I'm twisting your words, but it certainly sounds like what your implying is that you want to get the same rewards for putting in less time/effort/money than others.
You like to claim that those at the top are entitled, but what you're asking for is the true definition of entitlement.
Bottom line, it's a competition where there are winners and losers. At a certain point, a lot of folks will stop winning (climbing), and that's by design. You know the things you can do to improve and climb higher. If you're not willing to do those things, then be happy with the level you climb to and move on.
This incessant complaining from people about not being able to get everything someone else gets is just tired though.
I like how you proceed to try and accost me for saying people are twisting my words, then twist them. What's the point in even conversing if people are just going to hear what they want to hear? Lol.
I like how you proceed to try and accost me for saying people are twisting my words, then twist them. What's the point in even conversing if people are just going to hear what they want to hear? Lol.
Wow, you said exactly what I anticipated you would say.
Please tell me what words I twisted.
Or better yet, do your second best trick when someone contradicts you with facts.
Dodge any specific answer and say something to the effect of it "not being worth the conversation."
I like how you proceed to try and accost me for saying people are twisting my words, then twist them. What's the point in even conversing if people are just going to hear what they want to hear? Lol.
Wow, you said exactly what I anticipated you would say.
Please tell me what words I twisted.
Or better yet, do your second best trick when someone contradicts you with facts.
Dodge any specific answer and say something to the effect of it "not being worth the conversation."
You guys just really twisted the main point I was trying to make
Sorry, your main point is a shot in a million when you want a smaller account to get rewarded by beating a bigger account, and the difference between bigger and smaller was barely a difference.
You guys just really twisted the main point I was trying to make
Sorry @Jefechuta. I acknowledge your original post wasn't necessarily complaining about the matchmaking, rather how folks are rewarded for winning those matches when there is a large disparity in roster strength.
I understand your point, I just can't think of anything that would help that cause without immediately being manipulated by those that want to bend the rules and go against the spirit of the competition.
Unfortunate as it is to your original post, the secondary effect was the very polarizing topic of matchmaking, where one half of the forums thinks they should never face a strong competitor because it's unfair, while the other half thinks it's exactly as it should be because we're all competing for the same rewards.
Your thread was bound to be derailed by the simple fact that it discussed BG matchmaking.
I like how you proceed to try and accost me for saying people are twisting my words, then twist them. What's the point in even conversing if people are just going to hear what they want to hear? Lol.
Wow, you said exactly what I anticipated you would say.
Please tell me what words I twisted.
Or better yet, do your second best trick when someone contradicts you with facts.
Dodge any specific answer and say something to the effect of it "not being worth the conversation."
There are no facts you're operating on, aside from the fact that it was an extreme example. Which was my point all along. You can't use BG, as accomplished as he has become, as an example towards what everyone else can do. The man made a job out of playing the game and posting. He was on a mission, he accomplished it. Great on him. That still doesn't apply to everyone in any logical or practical manner. I was pointing out that you can play alongside the big spenders with sufficient effort, but you will never go head-to-head with them. You can't earn everything people get for whaling out. That's what they spend for. That unrealistic, dangling carrot is half the reason people think there's a F2P vs. P2P competition, and that Players are owed everything they need to compete with spenders, for free. That's what I was saying. The rest was you lapsing into your own judgment about others being entitled and wanting everything without putting the work in. Which is the only damn thing people hear when others are expressing themselves in these conversations. So you were in fact twisting my words, and even adding some. Not only is it unproductive and ignorant in these discussions, it's also pretty odd because it has nothing to do with what people are actually saying. When you have actual facts and not your own poor take on the issues presented, then I'll stop saying you're twisting words.
You guys just really twisted the main point I was trying to make
Sorry, your main point is a shot in a million when you want a smaller account to get rewarded by beating a bigger account, and the difference between bigger and smaller was barely a difference.
It seemed to me their main point was for something to change, not limited to this one thing. It's clear to anyone who enters the Forums that BGs is the most controversial mode in mcoc. I have to wonder how anyone could be 100% against some changes being made.
You guys just really twisted the main point I was trying to make
Sorry, your main point is a shot in a million when you want a smaller account to get rewarded by beating a bigger account, and the difference between bigger and smaller was barely a difference.
It seemed to me their main point was for something to change, not limited to this one thing. It's clear to anyone who enters the Forums that BGs is the most controversial mode in mcoc. I have to wonder how anyone could be 100% against some changes being made.
Controversial to who exactly? Its controversial to people in denial about their own accounts. The moment someone says "I am only UC/Cav, how am i supposed to beat X" well the answer is the question. A UC/Cav is not supposed to beat X. Its controversial because the rewards are there and players feel like they should get them because they are there. Hey Abyss is there, it has sweet rewards why not complain about those? Because BGs are basically free to participate. And I repeat this.. its season 11 over 1 year and every change is to accomodate small players and make sure they get rewards, other than seeding to make it less grindy, the people who compete and prepare their decks to compete got NOTHING.
I like how you proceed to try and accost me for saying people are twisting my words, then twist them. What's the point in even conversing if people are just going to hear what they want to hear? Lol.
Wow, you said exactly what I anticipated you would say.
Please tell me what words I twisted.
Or better yet, do your second best trick when someone contradicts you with facts.
Dodge any specific answer and say something to the effect of it "not being worth the conversation."
There are no facts you're operating on, aside from the fact that it was an extreme example. Which was my point all along. You can't use BG, as accomplished as he has become, as an example towards what everyone else can do. The man made a job out of playing the game and posting. He was on a mission, he accomplished it. Great on him. That still doesn't apply to everyone in any logical or practical manner. I was pointing out that you can play alongside the big spenders with sufficient effort, but you will never go head-to-head with them. You can't earn everything people get for whaling out. That's what they spend for. That unrealistic, dangling carrot is half the reason people think there's a F2P vs. P2P competition, and that Players are owed everything they need to compete with spenders, for free. That's what I was saying. The rest was you lapsing into your own judgment about others being entitled and wanting everything without putting the work in. Which is the only damn thing people hear when others are expressing themselves in these conversations. So you were in fact twisting my words, and even adding some. Not only is it unproductive and ignorant in these discussions, it's also pretty odd because it has nothing to do with what people are actually saying. When you have actual facts and not your own poor take on the issues presented, then I'll stop saying you're twisting words.
Your argument about BG would hold water if he just uploaded edited videos. He plays on live stream, he has the skill and profits from it. He is not good cause its job. He made it his skill into something profitable. You really don't understand the difference. Along with the skill he grinds the content, grinds resources things a lot of people don't do at all.
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My two main concerns are manipulation and the structure. Camping, Tanking, all of that behavior monopolizes positions and just acts as a stopper for people who are playing and genuinely trying to progress Match after Match. That will be an ongoing concern of mine because it's not an easy fix. I have ideas, but I'll reserve them for now.
The other concern is the structure. The Win/Loss ratio is more than just 50/50 when the Tokens from Gold 1 up are one per Win. It's supposed to be a challenge. No question. I don't think that should mean it's a head bashing exercise. Up, down, up, down, the occasional lower Player giving up and Forfeiting, then up, down, up, down. All before you even get to the point of Ranking.
I'd be happy with something of an adjustment to those 10 Tiers. Seeding in this format isn't helping the grind of the climb much at all.
Yeah sorry but for some reason the changes you propose only favor the smaller accounts getting to Plat2 and leaves the seeded GC players with the same grind.
And you're arguing against proof that you don't need to spend to compete. It's a fact yet you keep arguing against it.
I'd really like to know why it's the same two people who keep commenting over and over whenever I have something to say in these discussions. It's getting obvious.
If you stopped arguing against proven facts I'd stop proving you wrong.
He wasn't head-to-head with spenders. He was/is playing at the top level without spending. He also makes a job out of it. Everytime something is being sold, we hear "What about the FTP?", as if it's a priority for people to have the same everything without spending.
For that matter, I'm not discrediting his efforts or progress. What I'm saying is if you're using that as an example for other Players without taking into account the other factors, you're misleading people.
You will never have everything for free that you can buy with 50k a month. That's a fact.
But you are including all people and that's factually wrong.
Also, nothing BG has done is only achievable by him. He's just done it. Because you, and others, refuse to build your roster and skill through time and hard work doesn't mean that it's unachievable.
Be honest with yourself about what you have really done to put yourself in the best position to succeed in BGs.
-Have you completed all content to earn the most amount of rewards to build your roster?
-Have you participated in and tried all of the difficult challenges that they've released to build your skills?
-Have you been smart with your rank-ups and resources?
-Have you put the time in the arena to build your stash to 18k+ units for the known big deals that come on Cyber Weekend and 4th of July?
-Have you practiced fighting with and against the new champs to learn how they work?
-Have you joined a competitive alliance that pushes Masters or Plat AW and Map 8?
-Have you saved shards to target the top BG champs in featured crystals?
-Do you record your AW/BG fights to watch back and learn what you could do to get better?
-Do you watch the top players who post their AW/BG matches to learn how they use and fight players?
If your answer is "no" to most or all of these questions, then you're not putting in enough to be demanding you place higher in BGs.
You're limiting your example to the most extreme amount of effort, and that's not even something that applies to all of the Players who are in the GC. Just the select few that make the game a full-time job.
If that's your standard for what BGs is designed for, then your arrogance is surpassing your logic.
What on earth have you been doing during your 8 years of experience then.
Most active players have done one or the other just to hang at mid level.
Anytime someone contradicts you with solid facts, your response is that "You're twisting my words."
What words were twisted? For a brief recap, you said skill cannot overcome roster size. BG was given as an example of someone who routinely does that. You said BG isn't an example others can aspire to (odd, cause last I checked, he isn't a super human). Specific steps were shown on things someone could do to improve their skills, and you're saying that's not realistic.
So I'm sure you'll tell me I'm twisting your words, but it certainly sounds like what your implying is that you want to get the same rewards for putting in less time/effort/money than others.
You like to claim that those at the top are entitled, but what you're asking for is the true definition of entitlement.
Bottom line, it's a competition where there are winners and losers. At a certain point, a lot of folks will stop winning (climbing), and that's by design. You know the things you can do to improve and climb higher. If you're not willing to do those things, then be happy with the level you climb to and move on.
This incessant complaining from people about not being able to get everything someone else gets is just tired though.
Please tell me what words I twisted.
Or better yet, do your second best trick when someone contradicts you with facts.
Dodge any specific answer and say something to the effect of it "not being worth the conversation."
I understand your point, I just can't think of anything that would help that cause without immediately being manipulated by those that want to bend the rules and go against the spirit of the competition.
Unfortunate as it is to your original post, the secondary effect was the very polarizing topic of matchmaking, where one half of the forums thinks they should never face a strong competitor because it's unfair, while the other half thinks it's exactly as it should be because we're all competing for the same rewards.
Your thread was bound to be derailed by the simple fact that it discussed BG matchmaking.
Which was my point all along. You can't use BG, as accomplished as he has become, as an example towards what everyone else can do. The man made a job out of playing the game and posting. He was on a mission, he accomplished it. Great on him. That still doesn't apply to everyone in any logical or practical manner. I was pointing out that you can play alongside the big spenders with sufficient effort, but you will never go head-to-head with them. You can't earn everything people get for whaling out. That's what they spend for. That unrealistic, dangling carrot is half the reason people think there's a F2P vs. P2P competition, and that Players are owed everything they need to compete with spenders, for free. That's what I was saying.
The rest was you lapsing into your own judgment about others being entitled and wanting everything without putting the work in. Which is the only damn thing people hear when others are expressing themselves in these conversations. So you were in fact twisting my words, and even adding some. Not only is it unproductive and ignorant in these discussions, it's also pretty odd because it has nothing to do with what people are actually saying.
When you have actual facts and not your own poor take on the issues presented, then I'll stop saying you're twisting words.
Its controversial because the rewards are there and players feel like they should get them because they are there. Hey Abyss is there, it has sweet rewards why not complain about those? Because BGs are basically free to participate.
And I repeat this.. its season 11 over 1 year and every change is to accomodate small players and make sure they get rewards, other than seeding to make it less grindy, the people who compete and prepare their decks to compete got NOTHING.