I challenge anyone to provide 1 tangible practical example of a Person or Alliance who would be disadvantaged by 30 minute timers.
In 9 pages I have yet to see an example of anyone who would be worse off because of 30 min timers.
We literally did that. In 9 pages, people keep ignoring the issues because they don't want to accept them.
You literally did nothing. Explain in details how that single guy can't even enter AQ before it ends, tell us his paths, the nodes he usually removes and the time he usually connects to the game. AQ timer is not an issue for this guy, he is an issue for your ally. And again, joining an ally from a different time zone is a choice and you have to accept coscequences.
Except the game is global, and you can't force people to join Allies in their own Time Zones just to accommodate faster Maps 5 and 6.
Stop hiding, just answer. And as I said last night (of course you ignore everything that is against your opinion), regional rank proves the game is designed to join an ally from your country. You are the one who always says the game is designed for this and that, so...
I challenge anyone to provide 1 tangible practical example of a Person or Alliance who would be disadvantaged by 30 minute timers.
In 9 pages I have yet to see an example of anyone who would be worse off because of 30 min timers.
We literally did that. In 9 pages, people keep ignoring the issues because they don't want to accept them.
You literally did nothing. Explain in details how that single guy can't even enter AQ before it ends, tell us his paths, the nodes he usually removes and the time he usually connects to the game. AQ timer is not an issue for this guy, he is an issue for your ally. And again, joining an ally from a different time zone is a choice and you have to accept coscequences.
Except the game is global, and you can't force people to join Allies in their own Time Zones just to accommodate faster Maps 5 and 6.
Stop hiding, just answer. And as I said last night (of course you ignore everything that is against your opinion), regional rank proves the game is designed to join an ally from your country. You are the one who always says the game is designed for this and that, so...
No. Regional Rank does not prove the game is designed to join by Country. The game is meant to join people from all areas. Which is why it's global.
The only argument you're giving is that people should adjust their Allies and lives to accommodate what you want.
I challenge anyone to provide 1 tangible practical example of a Person or Alliance who would be disadvantaged by 30 minute timers.
In 9 pages I have yet to see an example of anyone who would be worse off because of 30 min timers.
We literally did that. In 9 pages, people keep ignoring the issues because they don't want to accept them.
You literally did nothing. Explain in details how that single guy can't even enter AQ before it ends, tell us his paths, the nodes he usually removes and the time he usually connects to the game. AQ timer is not an issue for this guy, he is an issue for your ally. And again, joining an ally from a different time zone is a choice and you have to accept coscequences.
Except the game is global, and you can't force people to join Allies in their own Time Zones just to accommodate faster Maps 5 and 6.
Stop hiding, just answer. And as I said last night (of course you ignore everything that is against your opinion), regional rank proves the game is designed to join an ally from your country. You are the one who always says the game is designed for this and that, so...
No. Regional Rank does not prove the game is designed to join by Country. The game is meant to join people from all areas. Which is why it's global.
The only argument you're giving is that people should adjust their Allies and lives to accommodate what you want.
So now the game is designed for something only when it's good for your "opinions". Everything is regional, you have regional rank, regional chat, and a lot of languages to choose. Wanna join an U.S. based ally from Singapore? It's allowed but it's a choice and there are consequences. The first one is that 29 other people have to adapt to let him play, and you can't make mistakes or your ally will have to wait 12 hours before him to move.
As for adjusting allies to accommodate what "I want", please note that you are the only one who thinks that way because of a single guy in a single ally (no other case discovered), so you are wrong again. And again, and again, and again...
I’d also like to note @GroundedWisdom And @Dropfaith have yet to state why anyone of the other 9 in your bg’s cant, or isn't willing to slow down to allow the late guy to play a little or how doing so would hurt them, or your ally, in anyway as compared to 1 hour timers.
Again, not only is the issue your bg for being D-bags, but you are one of those 9 specifically not allowing your own bg teammate to participate!!
You, yourself, have the ability to help that situation, by slowing down just a little, which would be such an easy thing to do and could pace yourself to an hour or at least enough to let your team members participate. Not to mention it would be the civil and appropriate response for a team, yet you, specifically you... don’t do this!
Wow, you guys are terrible - not just here in the forum, but apparently in your own BG. I blame you, not 30 minute timers for your issues with 30 minute timers. Plain as day, but throughout these 9 pages you pretend you’re not part of that problem.
I’ve been laughing at your posts the entire time. I really enjoy watching y’all respond though. This is hilarious. Please keep making my day!! I
Alas. I can see there is no reasoning here. It’s been fun watching you two try to make some kind of sense, but this could go on forever. I’m finally gonna cave and stop posting on this one for the sake of everyone else. So, I guess you’ll get the last word in and finally be happy? I dunno. You two are a hoot though!
Honestly I done here. This is pointless I've stated numerous times why I dislike the timers and brought up issues pertaining to why.
Only to be called names and be told I'm a minority so I don't matter.
I'm gonna go boot all the non white males from my allaince cause they are minorities and a screw them
Yeah I get it. This conversation has been going on for years now, and it's just as frustrating because no matter how you present it, it's always met with flat-out denial. In any case, it's not us proposing a change. The system is designed for 1-Hour Timer. They've always been 1 hour. It will likely continue to be 1 hour, and the subject will inevitably come up again. Lol.
So screw the guys who dont see aq with 30 minute timers they are a minority and dont.matter.
I rewrote your arguement for ya
You were very close. But what I mean is that the minority matters far less than the majority. Basic math on that one.
Not when designing a game mode that is meant to include everyone. That's not a "majority rules" situation.
As you've said a million times in here, it doesn't work for everybody. When designing the game they decide which functions will better serve a majority of players while trying to minimize the negatively impacted minority of players. So the game is built to be compatible with a majority. For some reason they think appealing to a majority is better than appealing to a minority. Don't ask me why. I would have thought that a large group of people had the same amount of money as a small group of people so it couldn't possibly be that they usually cater to whatever method will dictate more revenue.
No. The idea is to make it accessible and playable for as many people as possible. Not to vote people off the island.
So screw the guys who dont see aq with 30 minute timers they are a minority and dont.matter.
I rewrote your arguement for ya
You were very close. But what I mean is that the minority matters far less than the majority. Basic math on that one.
Not when designing a game mode that is meant to include everyone. That's not a "majority rules" situation.
As you've said a million times in here, it doesn't work for everybody. When designing the game they decide which functions will better serve a majority of players while trying to minimize the negatively impacted minority of players. So the game is built to be compatible with a majority. For some reason they think appealing to a majority is better than appealing to a minority. Don't ask me why. I would have thought that a large group of people had the same amount of money as a small group of people so it couldn't possibly be that they usually cater to whatever method will dictate more revenue.
No. The idea is to make it accessible and playable for as many people as possible. Not to vote people off the island.
More energy is more freedom to decide how you play the game. Less energy means more constraint on how you play the game. It would change the meta of the game for, according to the examples given in this thread, roughly 1 in 30 players in a negative way. And that is just because their allies can't be trusted to watch their backs. The game would still be very accessible and playable for all of the people who play now. The player chooses their alliance, the alliance chooses it's members, players choose their paths and when and how they use their energy. I would just like to see us able to make more of those decisions for ourselves, both as individuals and as members of a team.
It's not more Energy. Same amount of moves on the Map. It's faster Energy. Same time frame between Maps, same amount needed to finish.
The amount of energy required to complete the map is the same but you have more energy whenever you do login which does create more options. You can solo a path that normally takes two to finish. You can login when you have time rather than when you have a move. You don't have to worry about wasting energy if you have 5 moves. You can login and do 3 quick fights instead of one. If you have to be off for an extended period for work or whatever, no worries. If everyone wants to play it exactly the same way as if it were one hour timers, you can do that too. And individuals who solo long paths that wouldn't ordinarily get soloed do actually make more moves with more energy than they could ordinarily get. So yes, @GroundedWisdom, I think your point is semantics.
It's not wrong. You have the same amount of moves, same amount of time to finish the Map. In both instances, the Map gets finished. One scenario involves people waiting longer. Either situation has the same end goal. Only one has a negative effect on a number of Players because people have a lack of patience. Either way, the options are the same. Wait for Energy, finish the Map, do another the next day. Just halving the Recharge doesn't solve any real need. People just like to finish faster.
It's not wrong. You have the same amount of moves, same amount of time to finish the Map. In both instances, the Map gets finished. One scenario involves people waiting longer. Either situation has the same end goal. Only one has a negative effect on a number of Players because people have a lack of patience. Either way, the options are the same. Wait for Energy, finish the Map, do another the next day. Just halving the Recharge doesn't solve any real need. People just like to finish faster.
It's really hard to believe that you still don't get what most of us are saying. I have seen a dozen people try to explain to you that finishing faster has nothing to do with it for most. Maybe it's because you don't run higher maps with three battlegroups. It is wrong, because it is more energy, but that's a minor point. The flexibility for different alliances with different time zone issues and work schedules is the main thing. Both versions have a negative impact on some, so that's not really a point. But anyone negatively impacted by 30 minute timers can find an alliance in which they will no longer be negatively impacted. 30 minute timers do provide more options for every player in the game. Feel free to be opposed to them. But the detrimental argument is garbage.
I challenge anyone to provide 1 tangible practical example of a Person or Alliance who would be disadvantaged by 30 minute timers.
In 9 pages I have yet to see an example of anyone who would be worse off because of 30 min timers.
We literally did that. In 9 pages, people keep ignoring the issues because they don't want to accept them.
You literally did nothing. Explain in details how that single guy can't even enter AQ before it ends, tell us his paths, the nodes he usually removes and the time he usually connects to the game. AQ timer is not an issue for this guy, he is an issue for your ally. And again, joining an ally from a different time zone is a choice and you have to accept coscequences.
He misses the first 10 hrs of aq goes to bed at 10am PST (hes in Singapore if I recall) so I'll convert to our time. Wakes up around 6pst and heads to work gets his break at 10 PST and plays for the rest of aq.
On hr timers he misses section 1
Does either power or immune section 2 and second boss
Then gets the electro path up thru to boss while we sleep then the allaince awakens to him ahead us and we clear the rest.
On half hr timers he generally does nothing unless someone decides to double up a line just to leave stuff
I find this very hard to believe. I use to play in a competitive map 5 ally that would score around 115 to 120 mil these guys were on it with international players and even with 30 min timers you would be hard pressed to finish in 10 hrs. All nine players would have to be moving in sync to finish in 10 hrs. Also why is your guy not logging in before he goes to work you would be at the end of tier 2 start of 3 at best. Also he must make it difficult on other members when you have one hr timers since by the time he joins aq is half way over. I don’t believe you at all I honestly think you are just trolling and we all know what gw is doing. I don’t play map 5 anymore could careless about the timers. But I do know form experience 30 min timers make time management easier.
Yes the maps are made for a full alliance to be able to clear with 1 hour timers.
Right now we are short handed because of the iPhone over heating problem. Not because they don't want to join and play, it's because they should not risk serious damage to their phones.
Right now 30m timers make sense since we have lost the moves/energy those players would be contributing.
It’s amazing how this thread started off happy and thanking Kabam for 30 minute timers. And how people are getting on the bandwagon with it. The community felt good about it.
Now, well we can all see what happened.
It’s kinda sad when a few people ruin the fun of others.
Here is a simple comparison. 30 minute timers give freedom, 1 hr timers take freedom away.
So screw the guys who dont see aq with 30 minute timers they are a minority and dont.matter.
I rewrote your arguement for ya
You were very close. But what I mean is that the minority matters far less than the majority. Basic math on that one.
Not when designing a game mode that is meant to include everyone. That's not a "majority rules" situation.
If the game mode was “designed” to include everyone, why aren’t all of the AQ maps 10 paths? If this is the logic we are going by, where kabam has designed a game mode requiring everyone to participate, why isn’t every available quest map designed for how every alliance in full is designed? Oh, it’s not designed that way for lower maps? It’s only made so that groups with less people running lower maps can finish still? It’s up to the players to decide and organize their group? And if everyone wants a fight in these short path low maps, they would have to wait anyway no matter if the timer was one hour or half an hour? Interesting. Strange how the argument you were making isn’t actually how the maps are designed at all, and how a ton of people have tried to show you and the other kid on here why those arguments don’t hold up, but you refuse to acknowledge them at all, and just keep repeating yourself. No matter how you look at it, your points are wrong. You’re the only two loud vocal people I’ve ever seen on any forum or sub about this game who are arguing this point. You refused to answer any question I asked you for context on why you feel this way, so I can’t take your argument seriously anyway, and you keep whining about how you’re leaving yet can’t stop responding every time I check back here. Page after page, you’re crying about others not listening to you when they already responded & addressed your concerns point by point. I did it myself and I barely ever post here, but honestly I saw this thread and both of you hijacking it and needed to say my mind. You’re not contributing any concrete details or facts about this, and refuse to answer when others have poked holes in both of your points. You aren’t interested in a debate, as both of you would have failed debate club in a high school with the logic you have displayed here. You just double down and ignore every point people have made in response, or you pick one tiny part to answer and turn it into a whole deflection or circle back to yours. It’s bad analysis. I have no problem continuing to point out why you’re wrong. Because you are, in every way on this subject.
I mean really, now it seems the main argument in contention is that not everyone will get to do fights in the entire map, as if this game mode was ever exciting or any groups truly were fighting because someone didn’t get to fight the same sentinel or lame node/old adaptoid for five days straight?! I mean come on. Even the game developers didn’t make this mode exciting, they made it necessary to get resources. It’s a grind. Everyone who joins gets resources. The same logic goes for higher maps to coordinate as it does for lower, as AQ for lower groups is more of a teaching tool and learning than it is anything else. If someone wants to get a fight in, they get assigned to a group with the schedule to accommodate it. My group got stuck doing map 2 the first day this week due to kabam mess ups, and we finished the entire map before it was halfway done with the day cycle. There’s time to hold if they absolutely must have someone do a fight for personal pride. But that’s not what the majority of groups are doing in reality, they just want to get them done to release their champs for other better game modes. Just like the higher maps. Having shorter timers would allow those higher groups flexibility to do either way I just highlighted. It’s always up to the alliance itself to manage them and this would be a way to give them options.
Happy medium 45 minutes timers...if your alliance mates can’t slow down to accommodate any of your international mates then they are impatient (insert whatever tickles your description fancy.)
I know that it’s possible to do it with the 1-hr timers, but for those that aren’t working the games shaft and going hardcore on AQ content...the 30 minute timers are considered a decent breather. That way if someone who isn’t around to double up a path to clear section 1 of map 5...that path be be cleared with 1 person with little worry.
It's not wrong. You have the same amount of moves, same amount of time to finish the Map. In both instances, the Map gets finished. One scenario involves people waiting longer. Either situation has the same end goal. Only one has a negative effect on a number of Players because people have a lack of patience. Either way, the options are the same. Wait for Energy, finish the Map, do another the next day. Just halving the Recharge doesn't solve any real need. People just like to finish faster.
It absolutely is wrong, and you’re only arguing semantics. Many players will “gain” moves with more energy than they would have otherwise. Players who login less will still have the same amount of moves they would have with the caveats of less fights since those who move more often will have fought them. Getting the map(especially 6) finished without having to hassle people with real jobs and life should be something laudable as a change. If as you argue the map is “designed” with all player participation in mind on 1 hour timers why isn’t there 10 paths in every section? People like to finish faster because real life happens and nobody likes to be harassed to move on a game while that real life is happening. If you fail to see that than I’m not really sure what will convince you.
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Stop hiding, just answer. And as I said last night (of course you ignore everything that is against your opinion), regional rank proves the game is designed to join an ally from your country. You are the one who always says the game is designed for this and that, so...
No. Regional Rank does not prove the game is designed to join by Country. The game is meant to join people from all areas. Which is why it's global.
The only argument you're giving is that people should adjust their Allies and lives to accommodate what you want.
Wow that is your most blatant blow off response yet. It seems when you can’t argue/discuss the point you just blow it off acting smug.
On topic 30 again minute timers releave stress for the masses.
So now the game is designed for something only when it's good for your "opinions". Everything is regional, you have regional rank, regional chat, and a lot of languages to choose. Wanna join an U.S. based ally from Singapore? It's allowed but it's a choice and there are consequences. The first one is that 29 other people have to adapt to let him play, and you can't make mistakes or your ally will have to wait 12 hours before him to move.
As for adjusting allies to accommodate what "I want", please note that you are the only one who thinks that way because of a single guy in a single ally (no other case discovered), so you are wrong again. And again, and again, and again...
Yeah, I'm just chopping it up to irony.
Again, not only is the issue your bg for being D-bags, but you are one of those 9 specifically not allowing your own bg teammate to participate!!
You, yourself, have the ability to help that situation, by slowing down just a little, which would be such an easy thing to do and could pace yourself to an hour or at least enough to let your team members participate. Not to mention it would be the civil and appropriate response for a team, yet you, specifically you... don’t do this!
Wow, you guys are terrible - not just here in the forum, but apparently in your own BG. I blame you, not 30 minute timers for your issues with 30 minute timers. Plain as day, but throughout these 9 pages you pretend you’re not part of that problem.
I’ve been laughing at your posts the entire time. I really enjoy watching y’all respond though. This is hilarious. Please keep making my day!! I
Yeah I get it. This conversation has been going on for years now, and it's just as frustrating because no matter how you present it, it's always met with flat-out denial. In any case, it's not us proposing a change. The system is designed for 1-Hour Timer. They've always been 1 hour. It will likely continue to be 1 hour, and the subject will inevitably come up again. Lol.
No, it's different. We understand but we don't agree while you want to force us to agree stating that your opinion is right and ours are not.
Not when designing a game mode that is meant to include everyone. That's not a "majority rules" situation.
It's not more Energy. Same amount of moves on the Map. It's faster Energy. Same time frame between Maps, same amount needed to finish.
It's really hard to believe that you still don't get what most of us are saying. I have seen a dozen people try to explain to you that finishing faster has nothing to do with it for most. Maybe it's because you don't run higher maps with three battlegroups. It is wrong, because it is more energy, but that's a minor point. The flexibility for different alliances with different time zone issues and work schedules is the main thing. Both versions have a negative impact on some, so that's not really a point. But anyone negatively impacted by 30 minute timers can find an alliance in which they will no longer be negatively impacted. 30 minute timers do provide more options for every player in the game. Feel free to be opposed to them. But the detrimental argument is garbage.
I find this very hard to believe. I use to play in a competitive map 5 ally that would score around 115 to 120 mil these guys were on it with international players and even with 30 min timers you would be hard pressed to finish in 10 hrs. All nine players would have to be moving in sync to finish in 10 hrs. Also why is your guy not logging in before he goes to work you would be at the end of tier 2 start of 3 at best. Also he must make it difficult on other members when you have one hr timers since by the time he joins aq is half way over. I don’t believe you at all I honestly think you are just trolling and we all know what gw is doing. I don’t play map 5 anymore could careless about the timers. But I do know form experience 30 min timers make time management easier.
Right now we are short handed because of the iPhone over heating problem. Not because they don't want to join and play, it's because they should not risk serious damage to their phones.
Right now 30m timers make sense since we have lost the moves/energy those players would be contributing.
so the company is, once again, taking steps back again to the pathetic 1 hour timer
Now, well we can all see what happened.
It’s kinda sad when a few people ruin the fun of others.
Here is a simple comparison. 30 minute timers give freedom, 1 hr timers take freedom away.
If the game mode was “designed” to include everyone, why aren’t all of the AQ maps 10 paths? If this is the logic we are going by, where kabam has designed a game mode requiring everyone to participate, why isn’t every available quest map designed for how every alliance in full is designed? Oh, it’s not designed that way for lower maps? It’s only made so that groups with less people running lower maps can finish still? It’s up to the players to decide and organize their group? And if everyone wants a fight in these short path low maps, they would have to wait anyway no matter if the timer was one hour or half an hour? Interesting. Strange how the argument you were making isn’t actually how the maps are designed at all, and how a ton of people have tried to show you and the other kid on here why those arguments don’t hold up, but you refuse to acknowledge them at all, and just keep repeating yourself. No matter how you look at it, your points are wrong. You’re the only two loud vocal people I’ve ever seen on any forum or sub about this game who are arguing this point. You refused to answer any question I asked you for context on why you feel this way, so I can’t take your argument seriously anyway, and you keep whining about how you’re leaving yet can’t stop responding every time I check back here. Page after page, you’re crying about others not listening to you when they already responded & addressed your concerns point by point. I did it myself and I barely ever post here, but honestly I saw this thread and both of you hijacking it and needed to say my mind. You’re not contributing any concrete details or facts about this, and refuse to answer when others have poked holes in both of your points. You aren’t interested in a debate, as both of you would have failed debate club in a high school with the logic you have displayed here. You just double down and ignore every point people have made in response, or you pick one tiny part to answer and turn it into a whole deflection or circle back to yours. It’s bad analysis. I have no problem continuing to point out why you’re wrong. Because you are, in every way on this subject.
I know that it’s possible to do it with the 1-hr timers, but for those that aren’t working the games shaft and going hardcore on AQ content...the 30 minute timers are considered a decent breather. That way if someone who isn’t around to double up a path to clear section 1 of map 5...that path be be cleared with 1 person with little worry.