30 MIN TIMERs HAVE BEEN GREAT

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  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    @Dropfaith @GroundedWisdom are you guys for real!? You both just went back on everything you've said for this whole thread! How could you possibly expect the community to be solely considerate of the minority of individuals negatively impacted by the 30 minute timers when NEITHER OF YOU WILL DO THAT FOR YOUR OWN BGS!? I've been giving you both far too much credit this entire time.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    Nice try.
  • BadroseBadrose Posts: 583 ★★★
    edited July 2018
    Chicken wrote: »
    @GroundedWisdom if they changed the timers to 30 minutes that doesn’t mean your guys have to log in more often. The map would still be the same length so they could still log in at there normal times and complete the map without having to log in any more times than they do now. Others could log in more if they wanted to. I seem to remember in a post a while back you said that you don’t have to do everything in the game and it’s your choice and that you should just do what you can. You could still complete the map as you normally do but if other alliances chose to log in more often then they could complete the map faster and that would be there choice. 30 min timers wouldn’t change a thing for those who want to take it slow. They wouldn’t need to feel pressured to log in anymore than they do now. We just want that choice.

    The point I made is I have guys in opposite Time Zones that don't get to participate because when the Timers are shorter, the Maps are done by the time they log on. I'm not the only one, as Drop has stated his case. The Map stays open for 24 hours either way. I get that people like finishing faster, but it's not best for everyone and it's not a Democracy where you can sacrifice the issues of some to a majority government based on the fact that they want it. The system is designed that way for a reason. It's to accommodate everyone. This has literally been brought up everytime the Timers are reduced and the response is always the same, they have no plans of making them permanent. It is NOT beneficial for everyone. People might not believe that because it suits their cause to support what they want, but that's the fact. People should be able to play and participate. Not just log on for the Rewards and not get to Fight. That's a problem. A pretty significant one, and not one that can be solved with scheduling. Unless you can pencil in flipping the globe, or forcing people to play at all hours and forego work. The system works fine as it is now. I could care less if people want to keep asking ad infinitum, but there is a purpose to having it this way and it won't go away because of want.

    If the people in your alliance, yourself included, know this other guy won't get a chance to fight because of time if you all just push on, why didn't you slow down? Thats not being a good buddy.

    Because if they slow down he can't say they have an "issue"! Simple...

    But the question is: do you really believe him? There is no TZ not allowing you to participate, unless this guy lives on Mars. And who's removing his nodes during 1h timer? Is he always the last in points and slowing down the whole ally? Because if he can't move in 8 hours your AQ is always a nightmare.

    And again: one guy is the problem? Kick him out. We kick out guys who cannot use their first 5 energy at the beginning of AQ (we get the 5th step around midnight under our time zone).

    Also note that you (GW) always says that this game is designed for this and that. So, this game is designed to join an ally from your country. Regional ranks is a prove.
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    Nice try.

    I'm sorry your alliance mate either has terrible teammates or doesn't exist.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    edited July 2018
    That's not at all a fair solution. Some of us actually have respect and long-term friendships with our Ally Members. Kicking them out because people want to complete the Map faster is not acceptable. Not at all. Nor does it display any type of loyalty, reasonability, or fairness. It's actually pretty one-sided. Give us what we want, and make everyone else deal with it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    For the record, whoever keeps spamming Flags after everything I say, have a look at the number I have. If you think it bothers me, think again. It's your Account, though. Pretty sure it's against the rules to abuse them.

    Look, the bottom line is, it has a negative impact. It's not reasonable to ask everyone else to just adjust to the request. That's excluding people from being able to play. Now, if they had a system that didn't have that kind of effect, and people weren't impacted negatively, I would be all ears. However as it stands, just making the Timers shorter is not a long-term solution.
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    That's not at all a fair solution. Some of us actually have respect and long-term friendships with our Ally Members. Kicking them out because people want to complete the Map faster is not acceptable. Not at all. Nor does it display any type of loyalty, reasonability, or fairness. It's actually pretty one-sided. Give us what we want, and make everyone else deal with it.

    And why didn't you guys wait for your long-time friend? I never caught your reason for that. You guys run at your own pace and you've got to wait 24 hours anyway right?
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    Dropfaith wrote: »
    @Dropfaith @GroundedWisdom are you guys for real!? You both just went back on everything you've said for this whole thread! How could you possibly expect the community to be solely considerate of the minority of individuals negatively impacted by the 30 minute timers when NEITHER OF YOU WILL DO THAT FOR YOUR OWN BGS!? I've been giving you both far too much credit this entire time.

    I never went back on anything. Some of my own allaince enjoy it and will destroy a map heck of no timers I'd bet they done in half hr total..

    Im not gonna sit there saying hey guys slow down and let others do something I dont micromanage people

    If you're a bg leader that's just managing man. Watch out for your people!
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    That's not at all a fair solution. Some of us actually have respect and long-term friendships with our Ally Members. Kicking them out because people want to complete the Map faster is not acceptable. Not at all. Nor does it display any type of loyalty, reasonability, or fairness. It's actually pretty one-sided. Give us what we want, and make everyone else deal with it.

    And why didn't you guys wait for your long-time friend? I never caught your reason for that. You guys run at your own pace and you've got to wait 24 hours anyway right?

    We do. We wait for people now with 1-Hour Timers. Why exactly is it an injustice for other people to wait?
    There's a difference between having to wait and forcing your guys to sit at the gate because other people don't have patience.

    Because you literally just said how it's not fair for this other dude to not get playtime. Kabam didn't make you crush that map.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    My mistake. I thought we were having a serious conversation. You know I'm aware when someone is circling, right?
  • BadroseBadrose Posts: 583 ★★★
    Serious conversation?
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    I don't think you mean circling.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    I mean circling. Going in circles, trying to bait a response with contradictions that aren't really there. Circling like a shark for bait.
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    At any rate it's clear you have no argument and would rather keep punting it down the road than address why you think the community should act in a way that you yourself cannot commit to. Maybe it's just because you need the game to regulate your actions so you dont need to explain to your friend why you couldnt account for him in your plans.
  • BadroseBadrose Posts: 583 ★★★
    Stating that 30m timer is not an advantage but an issue, is the biggest contradiction of them all.
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    I mean circling. Going in circles, trying to bait a response with contradictions that aren't really there. Circling like a shark for bait.

    Sharks dont circle for bait, they circle for a meal. They only circle when theyre about to be done. You know i understand when someone is...floundering...right?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    edited July 2018
    Perhaps if your perspective is only on the side of wanting them, yes. Unfortunately, the conversation isn't going anywhere because once again, people won't even acknowledge the other aspects. Which is why I probably should have listened to my instinct and not discussed it to begin with. It never ends. Just one-sided altogether. It must be good for everyone because it's good for what I want.
  • BadroseBadrose Posts: 583 ★★★
    It must be good for everyone because it's good for what I want.
    That's the only good thing you wrote, because that's exactly how you act.
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 504 ★★
    Perhaps if your perspective is only on the side of wanting them, yes. Unfortunately, the conversation isn't going anywhere because once again, people won't even acknowledge the other aspects. Which is why I probably should have listened to my instinct and not discussed it to begin with. It never ends. Just one-sided altogether. It must be good for everyone because it's good for what I want.

    Classic move. You're wrong but classic. I have been by and large cordial, accepting and even wanting of your points in this conversation. I've even encouraged others to listen at least, and here we are. You have made no coherent point to oppose 30 minute timers and the very small amount you've had to say that had anything to do with the topic was easily managed by people with an opposing perspective. When you decide to participate in a conversation instead of moan about how no one will have a conversation with you, we'll all be waiting.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 20,468 ★★★★★
    Now it's just getting childish.
  • GorofaizGorofaiz Posts: 56
    And now, the timer goes on 1h...
    I love the 30m.. Hope someday we can experience 30m again...
  • AerialFollyAerialFolly Posts: 104
    Chicken wrote: »
    @GroundedWisdom if they changed the timers to 30 minutes that doesn’t mean your guys have to log in more often. The map would still be the same length so they could still log in at there normal times and complete the map without having to log in any more times than they do now. Others could log in more if they wanted to. I seem to remember in a post a while back you said that you don’t have to do everything in the game and it’s your choice and that you should just do what you can. You could still complete the map as you normally do but if other alliances chose to log in more often then they could complete the map faster and that would be there choice. 30 min timers wouldn’t change a thing for those who want to take it slow. They wouldn’t need to feel pressured to log in anymore than they do now. We just want that choice.

    The point I made is I have guys in opposite Time Zones that don't get to participate because when the Timers are shorter, the Maps are done by the time they log on. I'm not the only one, as Drop has stated his case. The Map stays open for 24 hours either way. I get that people like finishing faster, but it's not best for everyone and it's not a Democracy where you can sacrifice the issues of some to a majority government based on the fact that they want it. The system is designed that way for a reason. It's to accommodate everyone. This has literally been brought up everytime the Timers are reduced and the response is always the same, they have no plans of making them permanent. It is NOT beneficial for everyone. People might not believe that because it suits their cause to support what they want, but that's the fact. People should be able to play and participate. Not just log on for the Rewards and not get to Fight. That's a problem. A pretty significant one, and not one that can be solved with scheduling. Unless you can pencil in flipping the globe, or forcing people to play at all hours and forego work. The system works fine as it is now. I could care less if people want to keep asking ad infinitum, but there is a purpose to having it this way and it won't go away because of want.

    If the people in your alliance, yourself included, know this other guy won't get a chance to fight because of time if you all just push on, why didn't you slow down? Thats not being a good buddy.

    Wait, so you're suggesting we slow down because some want to push faster? Hmm....

    It’s not about being faster. It’s the flexibility of being able to move when you can and not when your energy is up.
  • StrStr Posts: 434 ★★
    I am grateful for 30 min timers. it made aq much more enjoyable with less stress
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