Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
So you didn’t know about this one for ten months but now there are several?? You’re not going to list them because we might exploit them? But you’re gonna leave this one alone until June? Do you even listen to some of the things you say?? Or even read them before clicking post? I swear man.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
So you didn’t know about this one for ten months but now there are several?? You’re not going to list them because we might exploit them? But you’re gonna leave this one alone until June? Do you even listen to some of the things you say?? Or even read them before clicking post? I swear man.
We action on bugs as soon as they are found. I know this runs counter to the earlier theories of us picking and choosing which Bugs to fix right away because of the perceived notion that one could help or hinder players, but we're fixing this as soon as possible.
There are development timelines, milestones, and due dates that can't be ignored. In this case, the earliest we can fix this is with the release in June.
I'll be the first to admit that we haven't always used all of our terms in the game consistently. Life steal has been used to mean a variety of things, and we're going to take some time in the future to clear those interactions up. Life Steal is a player facing name for a Regeneration that is caused by an on-hit event. The term itself is not important, but the amount of health regenerated, and the method in which it is determined is the important part of our situation here.
Basically, Life Steal doesn't matter. That's not the issue, and the name doesn't make a different. We could have called it Hit-Regen, and it would have been the same function, but just a different name. The Important part is the clause right after it... 50% of the Damage done to the opponent.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
So you didn’t know about this one for ten months but now there are several?? You’re not going to list them because we might exploit them? But you’re gonna leave this one alone until June? Do you even listen to some of the things you say?? Or even read them before clicking post? I swear man.
We action on bugs as soon as they are found. I know this runs counter to the earlier theories of us picking and choosing which Bugs to fix right away because of the perceived notion that one could help or hinder players, but we're fixing this as soon as possible.
There are development timelines, milestones, and due dates that can't be ignored. In this case, the earliest we can fix this is with the release in June.
Please don't delete my post for this, but no, you don't action on bugs as soon as they are found. I'm not saying that you pick and choose which ones to act on, but the simple fact is that I raised awareness to the Howard the Duck bug in November and it still hasn't even been addressed.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
So you didn’t know about this one for ten months but now there are several?? You’re not going to list them because we might exploit them? But you’re gonna leave this one alone until June? Do you even listen to some of the things you say?? Or even read them before clicking post? I swear man.
We action on bugs as soon as they are found. I know this runs counter to the earlier theories of us picking and choosing which Bugs to fix right away because of the perceived notion that one could help or hinder players, but we're fixing this as soon as possible.
There are development timelines, milestones, and due dates that can't be ignored. In this case, the earliest we can fix this is with the release in June.
Please don't delete my post for this, but no, you don't action on bugs as soon as they are found. I'm not saying that you pick and choose which ones to act on, but the simple fact is that I raised awareness to the Howard the Duck bug in November and it still hasn't even been addressed.
Off topic, so we won't discuss it more here, but I think that was just missed. I've re-reported it.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
Damage is dealt, it is just ignored. Leave it in as able to steal; no bug to fix if looked at this way (jae sylvr!)
Far easier to change the text, than change the code.
They ignore Gulk/bane, Kamala, flow, thing sp3, parry; indeed on the latter, they just changed the text.
The only reason they want to "fix" this, is because it benefits the player base, 1,000s of whom have already used it.
I don't know where that information is coming from, but it's not true. When there are indestructible charges up, or any effect that keeps a Champion from taking damage, Morningstar (or any other Champion) is not dealing any damage in those cases.
I understand the frustration here guys, but this is not just a bug that affects one fight. This is something that can and has been exploited in other areas as well and needs to be dealt with. This has never been an intentional part of Morningstar's kit, and her ability descriptions are pretty explicit about it.
I just went back to find this comment, you are saying thar this bug can be exploited in other areas as well. Can you elaborate? What other interaction is subject to this bug other than Luke Cage/Cap Marvel Movie/Synergy induced indestructible buffs and the 6.2.6 Champion encounter? I would be glad if you can provide some examples @Kabam Miike .
Anywhere that a Champion could become indestructible. There are nodes and buffs that also make this possible, but we're not going to encourage users to exploit them by listing them.
So you didn’t know about this one for ten months but now there are several?? You’re not going to list them because we might exploit them? But you’re gonna leave this one alone until June? Do you even listen to some of the things you say?? Or even read them before clicking post? I swear man.
We action on bugs as soon as they are found. I know this runs counter to the earlier theories of us picking and choosing which Bugs to fix right away because of the perceived notion that one could help or hinder players, but we're fixing this as soon as possible.
There are development timelines, milestones, and due dates that can't be ignored. In this case, the earliest we can fix this is with the release in June.
Please don't delete my post for this, but no, you don't action on bugs as soon as they are found. I'm not saying that you pick and choose which ones to act on, but the simple fact is that I raised awareness to the Howard the Duck bug in November and it still hasn't even been addressed.
Off topic, so we won't discuss it more here, but I think that was just missed. I've re-reported it.
Thanks so much for re-reporting! I really appreciate it!
Claire Voyant vs 6.2 Champion Boss! Best Regen Ever! - Marvel Contest of Champions
So here’s a video form one of Kabam’s own content creators that clearly states how good BWCV was against the 6.2.6 Champion boss before the “bug” fix. It’s in the title. This is the exact video I had in mind when I pulled BWCV and decided to rank her. The video was first released in September of LAST year.
Kabam should be more aware of how their own characters interact with the game before they’re even released. If a “bug” such as BWCV getting regen while the Champion boss has indestructible charges is made publicly aware, oh I don’t know say in a video by one of there own content creators, and it isn’t publicly acknowledged by Kabam as being a “bug” Within a month or so, I think it should be safe for players to assume it’s an actual mechanic of the game and they should not be punished for making rank up decisions based on such information. A month is being generous as I feel they should know their own game well enough for such bugs to be caught long before that. And if not, Kabam should be held accountable and allow such players to reassess the rank up.
Same goes for Morningstar, her regen while the Champion has indestructible charges was made aware to the public on YouTube and forums long before even BWCV. Either the mechanics should have been left functioning as they were and MS and BWCV should continue to regen or Kabam should allow players that ranked up such champions to based on such functions to be reassessed.
Mistakes happen. If Kabam is now saying these are “bugs,” they should own up to their own ignorance that has gone on six plus months and make amends to the members of the community with whom it affects.
@Nøx is saying that a content creator posted it so if it was a bug they should've picked up on it when this video came out. Allowing it to drag on for six months and then say its a bug that needs to fixed it just a huge mistake on their part.
Thank you @TheTalents I’m not even saying these aren’t “bugs”, say they are, fine. It’s Kabam’s own fault for having allowed such “bugs” to influence the rank up decisions for their player base for so long. I don’t believe by saying, “we action on bugs as soon as they’re found” absolves them in this case. That’s over 6 months of players deciding to rank or not rank these 2 champs based partly or even solely on these “bugs.” Kabam shoulders the responsibility here. They had access to such knowledge and should have been aware by the mere fact that it’s the focus of one of their own content creator’s videos. There are even posts in this forum which state how good Morningstar was for the final 10% of the Champion fight because of her regen.
From 01/14/2020. Right here in these forums. I’m sure there are other examples of both as well. If they haven’t been deleted already.
Doesn’t Kabam have a responsibility, even an obligation, to monitor the content of these forums, their content creators, as well as the mechanics of their game and make us aware if information provided by those means is faulty? These “bugs” shouldn’t have made it out of testing let alone exist in game for over 6 months. They should allow players to reassess their rank up decisions of these 2 champs given the new information that these characters were “bugged.“ Information which has solely influenced players to rank up these champs for over 6 months.
Thank you @TheTalents I’m not even saying these aren’t “bugs”, say they are, fine. It’s Kabam’s own fault for having allowed such “bugs” to influence the rank up decisions for their player base for so long. I don’t believe by saying, “we action on bugs as soon as they’re found” absolves them in this case. That’s over 6 months of players deciding to rank or not rank these 2 champs based partly or even solely on these “bugs.” Kabam shoulders the responsibility here. They had access to such knowledge and should have been aware by the mere fact that it’s the focus of one of their own content creator’s videos. There are even posts in this forum which state how good Morningstar was for the final 10% of the Champion fight because of her regen.
From 01/14/2020. Right here in these forums. I’m sure there are other examples of both as well. If they haven’t been deleted already.
Doesn’t Kabam have a responsibility, even an obligation, to monitor the content of these forums, their content creators, as well as the mechanics of their game and make us aware if information provided by those means is faulty? These “bugs” shouldn’t have made it out of testing let alone exist in game for over 6 months. They should allow players to reassess their rank up decisions of these 2 champs given the new information that these characters were “bugged.“ Information which has solely influenced players to rank up these champs for over 6 months.
Makes sense. How about they give a MS/BWcv rank down ticket to you AND wipe your 6.2 progress as well? Since.. well.. you know.. it was cleared using an exploited bug.. lol
sorry but we should be entitled to Rank down tickets for situations like this.
the change is understandable, however at the same time these "Bugs" have been in the game so long that people have assumed its working as intended because there is countless videos showcasing these abilities that have never been flagged as such.
Take BWCV you had the content creators use this champion and take it into various game modes and you can't tell me you haven't seen those videos as i'm sure there is a process to ensure they aren't using these champions in content they haven't completed. Also they would be giving feedback too. Someone pointed out earlier a video from Lagacy showcasing the regen in the champion boss fight that was uploaded in September last year. That's 6 months this has been in the game.
Morningstar has been in the game for so long and this ability has been around for a long time (2017). There has been loads of nodes or abilities that are similar to that in 6.2.6 Boss fight e.g. Hela, Punisher, Corvus Sig ability, Aegis Node, Luke Cage, 15 combo or less, Crit me if you can etc etc
Players no thanks to the poor design of 6.2 have had to look towards champions capable of taking out the boss by themselves as the gates mean the other 4 slots are taken up by champions to clear gated paths. This champion is one of them. I myself only took up MS to do exactly this. She has been at r4 for a very long time. But seeing all the videos of late of how good she is for this fight and how shes capable, if you are skilled enough to solo the fight is why i r5 her. I have no SS, she hulk i have only recently pulled her, no Stealth spidey or any other options for this fight except throwing units at it. Given this change I rather get my resources back and put them into another champion like she hulk and leave MS at r4.
Also transparency is laughable Bugs like hitting in block and getting a special to the face are left unchecked and hidden. Really transparent with that right. Thousands of posts with videos pictures descriptions and scenarios all buried under a lie "This has always been possible" yeah because everyone was too dumb to report the issue prior to the first forum post about it. Also wasn't even pinned for people to to see it in view but buried further down the pages.
You’re starting to get it. It’s been well over six months that this has been going on now and I think Kabam should make amends to it’s player base for having it allowed to go on for that long by one of the following and NOTHING LESS.
A, reasonably, fair thing to do is leave MS and BWCV as they were against the Champion boss. So not only the thousands of players that used these champs to clear him could keep their champs the way they are and their content cleared but the thousands that still need to clear him have them out there as a great options. As I suggested in my first post in this thread.
The next most reasonably fair thing to do, the one in which I make my argument for in my third post, is to do what they did with Namor and Cull Obsidian or She-Hulk. Which we know Kabam is capable and willing to do in certain situations. These changes are definitely impactful enough to warrant such actions.
Since Kabam is saying these were “bugs,” the absolute MOST fair thing to do would be to rank down MS and BWCV without giving the players a choice, refund all resources involved in ranking them and beating the Champion, which includes all units still used on items by those who cleared him using them, and the money spent acquiring those units, materials and champs. Sure lets have Kabam, go through and figure out everyone who used them to beat the Champion, calculate the units used both on resources and money spent factoring in all the little facets of what players put into obtaining MS/BWCV and rank up materials as well as cost of items used beating the final 10% of the 6.2.6 Champion boss, refund the units and cash and take away JUST the clears of that last 10% of him. I would be in favor of Kabam doing this because that is what Kabam is implicating by call these “bugs” over six months later and changing them now. Go ahead and do it. Not just part of that but all of it which is the only way it could remotely be fair. Oh and compensating those players for their time as well. This would be the fairest thing to do but I personally don’t find that the slightest bit practical. If Kabam does than by all means do it ALL.
So to be perfectly clear I support, in order: 1.) Complete eradication and refund of all associated with the MS/BWCV and final 10% of the 6.2.6 Champion boss. 2.) Leaving MS and BWCV as they were in regards to that part of the Champion interaction. 3.) Offer players the option of keeping MS/BWCV in their current state or sell them and get all resources invested into them returned.
I think the community deserves and should demand nothing less than one of those three options.
Excellent points of how much further beyond the 6.2.6 Champion goes with MS/BWCV and why leaving them function as they have been or rank downs should happen in this case.
Thank you @TheTalents I’m not even saying these aren’t “bugs”, say they are, fine. It’s Kabam’s own fault for having allowed such “bugs” to influence the rank up decisions for their player base for so long. I don’t believe by saying, “we action on bugs as soon as they’re found” absolves them in this case. That’s over 6 months of players deciding to rank or not rank these 2 champs based partly or even solely on these “bugs.” Kabam shoulders the responsibility here. They had access to such knowledge and should have been aware by the mere fact that it’s the focus of one of their own content creator’s videos. There are even posts in this forum which state how good Morningstar was for the final 10% of the Champion fight because of her regen.
From 01/14/2020. Right here in these forums. I’m sure there are other examples of both as well. If they haven’t been deleted already.
Doesn’t Kabam have a responsibility, even an obligation, to monitor the content of these forums, their content creators, as well as the mechanics of their game and make us aware if information provided by those means is faulty? These “bugs” shouldn’t have made it out of testing let alone exist in game for over 6 months. They should allow players to reassess their rank up decisions of these 2 champs given the new information that these characters were “bugged.“ Information which has solely influenced players to rank up these champs for over 6 months.
Makes sense. How about they give a MS/BWcv rank down ticket to you AND wipe your 6.2 progress as well? Since.. well.. you know.. it was cleared using an exploited bug.. lol
Why not? And they also have to give back units to players because players spent money to get crystals too, and how about another compensation for not doing their job properly which affect community mentally and financially?
Thank you @TheTalents I’m not even saying these aren’t “bugs”, say they are, fine. It’s Kabam’s own fault for having allowed such “bugs” to influence the rank up decisions for their player base for so long. I don’t believe by saying, “we action on bugs as soon as they’re found” absolves them in this case. That’s over 6 months of players deciding to rank or not rank these 2 champs based partly or even solely on these “bugs.” Kabam shoulders the responsibility here. They had access to such knowledge and should have been aware by the mere fact that it’s the focus of one of their own content creator’s videos. There are even posts in this forum which state how good Morningstar was for the final 10% of the Champion fight because of her regen.
From 01/14/2020. Right here in these forums. I’m sure there are other examples of both as well. If they haven’t been deleted already.
Doesn’t Kabam have a responsibility, even an obligation, to monitor the content of these forums, their content creators, as well as the mechanics of their game and make us aware if information provided by those means is faulty? These “bugs” shouldn’t have made it out of testing let alone exist in game for over 6 months. They should allow players to reassess their rank up decisions of these 2 champs given the new information that these characters were “bugged.“ Information which has solely influenced players to rank up these champs for over 6 months.
Makes sense. How about they give a MS/BWcv rank down ticket to you AND wipe your 6.2 progress as well? Since.. well.. you know.. it was cleared using an exploited bug.. lol
I cleared the content with CapIW so it wouldn't stop my progress. But I would gladly have them remove that progress and give me all my units and credit card swipes back. Then I can go back and beat the champion free of charge since I know how to attack the content now with multiple champions..
My 2 cents: people wouldn't react this way if Kabam dealt with bugs that are against the player base with the same urgency.
Such as?
Getting smacked in the face while hitting into block?? Prime example, swept under the rug for over a year.
It's been shown in video we can use our specials well the AI hits into our block. So if we can do it so can the AI. Also they have done multiple attempts to relieve that bug which has only worked for some player base. Making it a much harder fix.
My 2 cents: people wouldn't react this way if Kabam dealt with bugs that are against the player base with the same urgency.
Such as?
You must be new to the game.
Just finished my completion of act 6.4. Tell me again how new to the game I am
Your first statement is flat out false. You cannot throw a special 1 or special 2 will the opponent is hitting your block. If that was the case this game would be played totally differently. I wouldn't have to combo into special or intercept with one.
@TheTalents actually there was a video. I remember seeing it where the attacker threw a special while blocking the A.I. it has to do with the speed if of who ever is hitting into the block. I don't remember what thread it was in but it was posted here on the forums.
it is physically impossible. While holding block, you cannot press the SP icon. You have to lift block to press SP. Feel free to disprove this by recording a vid doing the opposite. Make sure you record your fingers as well.
There was already video and a GIF posted here. It was probably already deleted since it didn't pertain to the thread. Feel free to ask @CoatHang3r he had the links.
You’re starting to get it. It’s been well over six months that this has been going on now and I think Kabam should make amends to it’s player base for having it allowed to go on for that long by one of the following and NOTHING LESS.
A, reasonably, fair thing to do is leave MS and BWCV as they were against the Champion boss. So not only the thousands of players that used these champs to clear him could keep their champs the way they are and their content cleared but the thousands that still need to clear him have them out there as a great options. As I suggested in my first post in this thread.
The next most reasonably fair thing to do, the one in which I make my argument for in my third post, is to do what they did with Namor and Cull Obsidian or She-Hulk. Which we know Kabam is capable and willing to do in certain situations. These changes are definitely impactful enough to warrant such actions.
Since Kabam is saying these were “bugs,” the absolute MOST fair thing to do would be to rank down MS and BWCV without giving the players a choice, refund all resources involved in ranking them and beating the Champion, which includes all units still used on items by those who cleared him using them, and the money spent acquiring those units, materials and champs. Sure lets have Kabam, go through and figure out everyone who used them to beat the Champion, calculate the units used both on resources and money spent factoring in all the little facets of what players put into obtaining MS/BWCV and rank up materials as well as cost of items used beating the final 10% of the 6.2.6 Champion boss, refund the units and cash and take away JUST the clears of that last 10% of him. I would be in favor of Kabam doing this because that is what Kabam is implicating by call these “bugs” over six months later and changing them now. Go ahead and do it. Not just part of that but all of it which is the only way it could remotely be fair. Oh and compensating those players for their time as well. This would be the fairest thing to do but I personally don’t find that the slightest bit practical. If Kabam does than by all means links.
So to be perfectly clear I support, in order: 1.) Complete eradication and refund of all associated with the MS/BWCV and final 10% of the 6.2.6 Champion boss. 2.) Leaving MS and BWCV as they were in regards to that part of the Champion interaction. 3.) Offer players the option of keeping MS/BWCV in their current state or sell them and get all resources invested into them returned.
I think the community deserves and should demand nothing less than one of those three options.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
How would it even be possible to roll back everything with option 1 you suggested?
Also, if they leave the interaction as it is, it will have to be left for all instances where a champion gets indestructible attack or defender. So that means it would have a chance to work against us as well. Cant wait for those threads to hit the forums.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
That’s not for me or you to decide. I’m saying players should be given the option if Kabam insists on sticking with ‘it’s a bug fix’ after all this time and not either leaving it as a mechanic in the game or giving a total refund of everything related to those rank up and use against the Champion boss.
How would it even be possible to roll back everything with option 1 you suggested?
Which is why I said it’s “not the slightest bit practical.“
Also, if they leave the interaction as it is, it will have to be left for all instances where a champion gets indestructible attack or defender. So that means it would have a chance to work against us as well. Cant wait for those threads to hit the forums.
That is how it’s been all this time without complaint that I’ve heard of. Change the wording to-“of potential damage dealt.” Problem solved.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
That’s not for me or you to decide. I’m saying players should be given the option if Kabam insists on sticking with ‘it’s a bug fix’ after all this time and not either leaving it as a mechanic in the game or giving a total refund of everything related to those rank up and use against the Champion boss.
How would it even be possible to roll back everything with option 1 you suggested?
Which is why I said it’s “not the slightest bit practical.“
Also, if they leave the interaction as it is, it will have to be left for all instances where a champion gets indestructible attack or defender. So that means it would have a chance to work against us as well. Cant wait for those threads to hit the forums.
That is how it’s been all this time without complaint that I’ve heard of. Change the wording to-“of potential damage dealt.” Problem solved.
None of the options are practical. Period. You're so hung up on the 2 champions as is everyone else. Those 2 champions are not broken nor do they need to be offered rank down tickets. This whole debate is on how you or another interpret how damage is done. I interpret that if damage is done there is an effect from it. There isnt any effect that happens against indestructible buffs so they shouldn't be healing. This is the basic concept of "if a tree falls down in the forest, does it make a sound". Is there sound only when we're around to hear it or there isn't any sound. The indestructible buff says no damage is taken. Its pretty clear its the buff that's broken. And it's not the same as act 6.2.4 during the 10 second shield. That clearly says damage is stored and reflected back.
My 2 cents: people wouldn't react this way if Kabam dealt with bugs that are against the player base with the same urgency.
Such as?
Getting smacked in the face while hitting into block?? Prime example, swept under the rug for over a year.
It's been shown in video we can use our specials well the AI hits into our block. So if we can do it so can the AI. Also they have done multiple attempts to relieve that bug which has only worked for some player base. Making it a much harder fix.
My 2 cents: people wouldn't react this way if Kabam dealt with bugs that are against the player base with the same urgency.
Such as?
You must be new to the game.
Just finished my completion of act 6.4. Tell me again how new to the game I am
Your first statement is flat out false. You cannot throw a special 1 or special 2 will the opponent is hitting your block. If that was the case this game would be played totally differently. I wouldn't have to combo into special or intercept with one.
@TheTalents actually there was a video. I remember seeing it where the attacker threw a special while blocking the A.I. it has to do with the speed if of who ever is hitting into the block. I don't remember what thread it was in but it was posted here on the forums.
it is physically impossible. While holding block, you cannot press the SP icon. You have to lift block to press SP. Feel free to disprove this by recording a vid doing the opposite. Make sure you record your fingers as well.
There was already video and a GIF posted here. It was probably already deleted since it didn't pertain to the thread. Feel free to ask @CoatHang3r he had the links.
If there is a video I guarantee you the player lifted block before pressing special. Similar to "reparry". So he was not holding block while throwing the special.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
I would.
I'm a end game player completed act 6. 100% 6.1 and 6.3. 6.2 at 70% (Last two quests full of BS and haven't got the right champs for those fights). 6.4 30% (started thinking quicker to complete 6.4 100% over 6.2).
Not done abyss because don't have units for it ( i don't spend).
My only reason to take MS to r5 was to clear 6.2.6 otherwise she was fine at r4 because outside of this i wouldn't really play her. I have other champs that don't require ramp up to deal with the stuff she can.
not everyone enjoys the characters the same so don't know why you feel that way. MS at 5 souls is an incredible champion but its the getting her to 5 souls that can be tiresome and not fun which is why for me she has sat at r4 for so long because i have other champs that can do what shes good for without the ramp up.
Whats crazy talk is having a mechanic work a certain way for 3 years then have it changed on you and you don't have the option to reverse that decision if the champion no longer works the same as you thought.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
I would.
I'm a end game player completed act 6. 100% 6.1 and 6.3. 6.2 at 70% (Last two quests full of BS and haven't got the right champs for those fights). 6.4 30% (started thinking quicker to complete 6.4 100% over 6.2).
Not done abyss because don't have units for it ( i don't spend).
My only reason to take MS to r5 was to clear 6.2.6 otherwise she was fine at r4 because outside of this i wouldn't really play her. I have other champs that don't require ramp up to deal with the stuff she can.
not everyone enjoys the characters the same so don't know why you feel that way. MS at 5 souls is an incredible champion but its the getting her to 5 souls that can be tiresome and not fun which is why for me she has sat at r4 for so long because i have other champs that can do what shes good for without the ramp up.
Whats crazy talk is having a mechanic work a certain way for 3 years then have it changed on you and you don't have the option to reverse that decision if the champion no longer works the same as you thought.
You all keep saying "works the same as you thought". She works exactly how she's supposed to. The indestructible buff isn't working right. MS also has value in Abyss. Shes a very useful champion for those buff heavy fights.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
I would.
I'm a end game player completed act 6. 100% 6.1 and 6.3. 6.2 at 70% (Last two quests full of BS and haven't got the right champs for those fights). 6.4 30% (started thinking quicker to complete 6.4 100% over 6.2).
Not done abyss because don't have units for it ( i don't spend).
My only reason to take MS to r5 was to clear 6.2.6 otherwise she was fine at r4 because outside of this i wouldn't really play her. I have other champs that don't require ramp up to deal with the stuff she can.
not everyone enjoys the characters the same so don't know why you feel that way. MS at 5 souls is an incredible champion but its the getting her to 5 souls that can be tiresome and not fun which is why for me she has sat at r4 for so long because i have other champs that can do what shes good for without the ramp up.
Whats crazy talk is having a mechanic work a certain way for 3 years then have it changed on you and you don't have the option to reverse that decision if the champion no longer works the same as you thought.
You all keep saying "works the same as you thought". She works exactly how she's supposed to. The indestructible buff isn't working right. MS also has value in Abyss. Shes a very useful champion for those buff heavy fights.
and you seem to miss the whole point shes not working now as she has been
whats hard to understand about that???
not every mechanic is explained in this game, its never been in issue even though indestructible has been in the game for a very long time. Only now its become a bug because of this fight.
please point to me a post in 2017 , 2018 , 2019 that reports that MS is broken and not working as she supposed to.
go look at the videos of players using these champs. Do any of them say oh this isn't working as intended and is bugged. People have ranked up champions based on this information which has also been provided by Kabams own content creators. So essentially Kabam are promoting the bugs that people are making rank up decisions on.
like i said i have other champs that can deal with those fights in abyss and i'm f2p not a whaler like yourself to have champs i don't play often at r5 in my inventory.
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There are development timelines, milestones, and due dates that can't be ignored. In this case, the earliest we can fix this is with the release in June.
Basically, Life Steal doesn't matter. That's not the issue, and the name doesn't make a different. We could have called it Hit-Regen, and it would have been the same function, but just a different name. The Important part is the clause right after it... 50% of the Damage done to the opponent.
09/24/2019
Claire Voyant vs 6.2 Champion Boss! Best Regen Ever! - Marvel Contest of Champions
So here’s a video form one of Kabam’s own content creators that clearly states how good BWCV was against the 6.2.6 Champion boss before the “bug” fix. It’s in the title. This is the exact video I had in mind when I pulled BWCV and decided to rank her. The video was first released in September of LAST year.
Kabam should be more aware of how their own characters interact with the game before they’re even released. If a “bug” such as BWCV getting regen while the Champion boss has indestructible charges is made publicly aware, oh I don’t know say in a video by one of there own content creators, and it isn’t publicly acknowledged by Kabam as being a “bug” Within a month or so, I think it should be safe for players to assume it’s an actual mechanic of the game and they should not be punished for making rank up decisions based on such information. A month is being generous as I feel they should know their own game well enough for such bugs to be caught long before that. And if not, Kabam should be held accountable and allow such players to reassess the rank up.
Same goes for Morningstar, her regen while the Champion has indestructible charges was made aware to the public on YouTube and forums long before even BWCV. Either the mechanics should have been left functioning as they were and MS and BWCV should continue to regen or Kabam should allow players that ranked up such champions to based on such functions to be reassessed.
Mistakes happen. If Kabam is now saying these are “bugs,” they should own up to their own ignorance that has gone on six plus months and make amends to the members of the community with whom it affects.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1102070#Comment_1102070
From 01/14/2020. Right here in these forums. I’m sure there are other examples of both as well. If they haven’t been deleted already.
Doesn’t Kabam have a responsibility, even an obligation, to monitor the content of these forums, their content creators, as well as the mechanics of their game and make us aware if information provided by those means is faulty? These “bugs” shouldn’t have made it out of testing let alone exist in game for over 6 months. They should allow players to reassess their rank up decisions of these 2 champs given the new information that these characters were “bugged.“ Information which has solely influenced players to rank up these champs for over 6 months.
Very well written, couldn't agree more.
the change is understandable, however at the same time these "Bugs" have been in the game so long that people have assumed its working as intended because there is countless videos showcasing these abilities that have never been flagged as such.
Take BWCV you had the content creators use this champion and take it into various game modes and you can't tell me you haven't seen those videos as i'm sure there is a process to ensure they aren't using these champions in content they haven't completed. Also they would be giving feedback too. Someone pointed out earlier a video from Lagacy showcasing the regen in the champion boss fight that was uploaded in September last year. That's 6 months this has been in the game.
Morningstar has been in the game for so long and this ability has been around for a long time (2017). There has been loads of nodes or abilities that are similar to that in 6.2.6 Boss fight e.g. Hela, Punisher, Corvus Sig ability, Aegis Node, Luke Cage, 15 combo or less, Crit me if you can etc etc
Players no thanks to the poor design of 6.2 have had to look towards champions capable of taking out the boss by themselves as the gates mean the other 4 slots are taken up by champions to clear gated paths. This champion is one of them. I myself only took up MS to do exactly this. She has been at r4 for a very long time. But seeing all the videos of late of how good she is for this fight and how shes capable, if you are skilled enough to solo the fight is why i r5 her. I have no SS, she hulk i have only recently pulled her, no Stealth spidey or any other options for this fight except throwing units at it. Given this change I rather get my resources back and put them into another champion like she hulk and leave MS at r4.
Also transparency is laughable
Bugs like hitting in block and getting a special to the face are left unchecked and hidden. Really transparent with that right. Thousands of posts with videos pictures descriptions and scenarios all buried under a lie "This has always been possible" yeah because everyone was too dumb to report the issue prior to the first forum post about it. Also wasn't even pinned for people to to see it in view but buried further down the pages.
A, reasonably, fair thing to do is leave MS and BWCV as they were against the Champion boss. So not only the thousands of players that used these champs to clear him could keep their champs the way they are and their content cleared but the thousands that still need to clear him have them out there as a great options. As I suggested in my first post in this thread.
The next most reasonably fair thing to do, the one in which I make my argument for in my third post, is to do what they did with Namor and Cull Obsidian or She-Hulk. Which we know Kabam is capable and willing to do in certain situations. These changes are definitely impactful enough to warrant such actions.
Since Kabam is saying these were “bugs,” the absolute MOST fair thing to do would be to rank down MS and BWCV without giving the players a choice, refund all resources involved in ranking them and beating the Champion, which includes all units still used on items by those who cleared him using them, and the money spent acquiring those units, materials and champs. Sure lets have Kabam, go through and figure out everyone who used them to beat the Champion, calculate the units used both on resources and money spent factoring in all the little facets of what players put into obtaining MS/BWCV and rank up materials as well as cost of items used beating the final 10% of the 6.2.6 Champion boss, refund the units and cash and take away JUST the clears of that last 10% of him. I would be in favor of Kabam doing this because that is what Kabam is implicating by call these “bugs” over six months later and changing them now. Go ahead and do it. Not just part of that but all of it which is the only way it could remotely be fair. Oh and compensating those players for their time as well. This would be the fairest thing to do but I personally don’t find that the slightest bit practical. If Kabam does than by all means do it ALL.
So to be perfectly clear I support, in order:
1.) Complete eradication and refund of all associated with the MS/BWCV and final 10% of the 6.2.6 Champion boss.
2.) Leaving MS and BWCV as they were in regards to that part of the Champion interaction.
3.) Offer players the option of keeping MS/BWCV in their current state or sell them and get all resources invested into them returned.
I think the community deserves and should demand nothing less than one of those three options.
Excellent points of how much further beyond the 6.2.6 Champion goes with MS/BWCV and why leaving them function as they have been or rank downs should happen in this case.
How would it even be possible to roll back everything with option 1 you suggested?
Also, if they leave the interaction as it is, it will have to be left for all instances where a champion gets indestructible attack or defender. So that means it would have a chance to work against us as well. Cant wait for those threads to hit the forums.
Who in their right mind would even consider selling BWCV or even Morningstar? That's just crazy talk. Both have a ton of value in so many parts of the game.
That’s not for me or you to decide. I’m saying players should be given the option if Kabam insists on sticking with ‘it’s a bug fix’ after all this time and not either leaving it as a mechanic in the game or giving a total refund of everything related to those rank up and use against the Champion boss.
How would it even be possible to roll back everything with option 1 you suggested?
Which is why I said it’s “not the slightest bit practical.“
Also, if they leave the interaction as it is, it will have to be left for all instances where a champion gets indestructible attack or defender. So that means it would have a chance to work against us as well. Cant wait for those threads to hit the forums.
That is how it’s been all this time without complaint that I’ve heard of. Change the wording to-“of potential damage dealt.” Problem solved.
I'm a end game player completed act 6. 100% 6.1 and 6.3. 6.2 at 70% (Last two quests full of BS and haven't got the right champs for those fights). 6.4 30% (started thinking quicker to complete 6.4 100% over 6.2).
Not done abyss because don't have units for it ( i don't spend).
My only reason to take MS to r5 was to clear 6.2.6 otherwise she was fine at r4 because outside of this i wouldn't really play her. I have other champs that don't require ramp up to deal with the stuff she can.
not everyone enjoys the characters the same so don't know why you feel that way. MS at 5 souls is an incredible champion but its the getting her to 5 souls that can be tiresome and not fun which is why for me she has sat at r4 for so long because i have other champs that can do what shes good for without the ramp up.
Whats crazy talk is having a mechanic work a certain way for 3 years then have it changed on you and you don't have the option to reverse that decision if the champion no longer works the same as you thought.
whats hard to understand about that???
not every mechanic is explained in this game, its never been in issue even though indestructible has been in the game for a very long time. Only now its become a bug because of this fight.
please point to me a post in 2017 , 2018 , 2019 that reports that MS is broken and not working as she supposed to.
go look at the videos of players using these champs. Do any of them say oh this isn't working as intended and is bugged. People have ranked up champions based on this information which has also been provided by Kabams own content creators. So essentially Kabam are promoting the bugs that people are making rank up decisions on.
like i said i have other champs that can deal with those fights in abyss and i'm f2p not a whaler like yourself to have champs i don't play often at r5 in my inventory.