Aw is suck couse this node, most of the node is stun imune HOW WE FIGHT IN THIS SITUATION? STUN IMUNE, IMUNI OF DEBUFF? HOW WE FIGHT WITH THIS **** NODEE .....IDIOTSS
I wish we had some kind of news like are they gonna remove this node or are they gonna remove defense tactics totally or what exactly are they gonna do So I can prepare my roster that way
Yea, people are literally just ranking up relatively useless champs just b/c as long as they benefit from flow, they're golden. And if anyone's actually taking crossbones to r5...well...if flow gets nerfed (hopefully), then that would have been a complete waste of resources.
Yeah. No idea why we can't get a reply. Other than the fact that this season has to be milked for all it's worth.
As far as I can understand Kabam is desperate to find a way for players to spend money and items in war...so they ended in a solution called “flow”. But it is really desperate...MCOC has so many champions and you can not play with them due to this global node. They are pathetic because there is no point in playing...there is no strategy in it...so for them are more units, more stash equal more money!! That’s all...more money. They do not care about players playing and enjoying the game but how they will take you more and more!!! And above all they call it “competitive” war with season rewards that do not represent the difficulty of the season...honestly I wish they lose more and more players because this is the only way to understand what they are doing.
I'd hardly call it desperate. It's intended to provide a challenge level. Not to milk people. Whether or not they overshot the mark is on the table, for sure.
Challenge? Where is challenge? MCOC has over 200 champs and you can play flow3 with how many? ( ghost trinity, Quake and Corvus-Magik with tones of boost ) where is the challenge in this? Where is the challenge when with 1 critical hit the opponent gain 45% of power meter? What is this...you call it gaming? Suppose that I do not have all these players above...can I play? The answer is no! As far it goes for me they do want to milk players...
I'd hardly call it desperate. It's intended to provide a challenge level. Not to milk people. Whether or not they overshot the mark is on the table, for sure.
OMG do we again have the kid who has never played in high tier AW talking about high tier AW, also talking about the node that he has also never played against?? Dude, just realize when you’re out of your league, for gosh sakes.
What are you talking about? I said it wasn't just designed to bleed people of money. Where did I even register an opinion on how it was fighting it? Do you realize how obtuse that same rebuttal sounds when it doesn't even pertain to what I said? Same response over and over. "You're not in that Tier." Very good. I'm not. Now how about what I actually said?!
That's one of the most common responses on here. It's a cash grab. Has it ever occurred to people that designing something is about a specific design goal, and not money?
Challenge? Where is challenge? MCOC has over 200 champs and you can play flow3 with how many? ( ghost trinity, Quake and Corvus-Magik with tones of boost ) where is the challenge in this? Where is the challenge when with 1 critical hit the opponent gain 45% of power meter? What is this...you call it gaming? Suppose that I do not have all these players above...can I play? The answer is no! As far it goes for me they do want to milk players...
It may have 200 Champs, but you're not going to be able to use all 200 options for Tier 1-5. Especially with a mechanic that's meant to limit the other side. That's the point of these Nodes. To stop the opponent up. Now, is it too limiting? I'll leave the team and you guys to decide. I'm not arguing it isn't. However, added challenge is the end goal of Defense Tactics. Make it harder for your opponent to win. I don't disagree that it's too much. I'm not saying either way. I just think it's nonsensical to expect to use any Champs when the point of these Nodes is to limit options.
At the basic level, the game provides a challenge by narrowing down the options you have for fighting. Using specific Champs, combining them with Nodes, increasing Base Stats and Sigs, limiting Rarities, etc. There are a number of ways to do this, but the same basic principle applies. The higher you go, the harder it gets, and the more specific your choices become.
That's one of the most common responses on here. It's a cash grab. Has it ever occurred to people that designing something is about a specific design goal, and not money?
I would agree, but why is it that every single time, the player base just becomes a test subject for the nodes for an entire season or two before something is thought out? Why can't the developers do tests, run Beta like how they do with Act 6 or Act 7? They designed the node wrongly. When it was pointed out, they just changed the description and said it was intended. 292 posts on this thread, and only 1 or 2 are from a moderator, first combining all the threads and then saying that we've forwarded it. Over a month of complaints and we've had literally no response.
I wish we had some kind of news like are they gonna remove this node or are they gonna remove defense tactics totally or what exactly are they gonna do So I can prepare my roster that way
Yea, people are literally just ranking up relatively useless champs just b/c as long as they benefit from flow, they're golden. And if anyone's actually taking crossbones to r5...well...if flow gets nerfed (hopefully), then that would have been a complete waste of resources.
I am contemplating just that. I have the resources to take Crossbones to r4 and then just have to wait a month to take him to r5. He is really the only flow counter I have. But I know the moment I take him up they will balance flow like they did siphon. And I would have wasted valuable resources I could have used on champs I actually want to rank.
That's one of the most common responses on here. It's a cash grab. Has it ever occurred to people that designing something is about a specific design goal, and not money?
I would agree, but why is it that every single time, the player base just becomes a test subject for the nodes for an entire season or two before something is thought out? Why can't the developers do tests, run Beta like how they do with Act 6 or Act 7? They designed the node wrongly. When it was pointed out, they just changed the description and said it was intended. 292 posts on this thread, and only 1 or 2 are from a moderator, first combining all the threads and then saying that we've forwarded it. Over a month of complaints and we've had literally no response.
And that is where the cashgrab argument comes in. I dont like to call out kabam for things they dont do but every defender tactic that comes after the other is overtuned.
They get worse the longer we play. The evade meta was okay at countering. It was the best of bad ones. Bullwark was just super overtuned. Then came siphon. Now flow. They always run for so long until they are changed.
They are very bad at managing the war (they react SUPER slow to broken things in war) OR it goes as they want. I dont know which is worse.
Their goal with war globals flopped big time. I hope they just delete them.
And here a picture how Wars in Tier 2 are played in the moment at around ~3.100 warrating:
Thats the endscreen btw. Everyone just goes for bosses and tries to skip as many lanes as possible.
I'd hardly call it desperate. It's intended to provide a challenge level. Not to milk people. Whether or not they overshot the mark is on the table, for sure.
OMG do we again have the kid who has never played in high tier AW talking about high tier AW, also talking about the node that he has also never played against?? Dude, just realize when you’re out of your league, for gosh sakes.
What are you talking about? I said it wasn't just designed to bleed people of money. Where did I even register an opinion on how it was fighting it? Do you realize how obtuse that same rebuttal sounds when it doesn't even pertain to what I said? Same response over and over. "You're not in that Tier." Very good. I'm not. Now how about what I actually said?!
because not fighting the node you don't get just how ridiculous it is. you don't get what the people here are feeling after fighting a flow war. so while the people here maybe right or wrong about talking about whether it is a cash grab or not. YOU actually have no right to "express your views" when you "actually" haven't even ever faced it and don't understand what we on t1-t5 go through everyday. If someone on t1-t5 said this people might even debate about it but debating with you would be pure bs considering you have no experience with it. You keep making statements and when someone points out that you are not in their tier so you won't know, you just reply with that what you say doesn't matters whether you are in the t1-t5 bracket or not. But it does, because you have no idea what the player base has gone through in war this whole season. Then again I am sure you still won't stop making baseless statements on your own because you can't accept the fact that this isn't a thread where you enough experience to spout nonsense like the other threads.
I even explained how you flow restricts 3 champs to be used only and you still keep going on and on about diversity when flow keeps stopping exactly that. See this i where your knowledge about this topic ends. please stop it.
Who is arguing with that? Did you not read the words I said, or are you just ignoring them? Seems like you're arguing with things I didn't even say. DID I SAY IT WASN'T RIDICULOUS? No. I specifically said I wasn't arguing with that feedback, and here we are still talking about how I know nothing because I haven't fought it. That would be called prejudice and ignorance.
Yea if flow gets adjusted, I am legitimately worried about what the next overtuned tactic will be. I fully agree with just removing defense tactics or making it an option you can choose so you get matched against others who also chose whether or not to have defense tactics.
I’ve neglected to comment on this issue until I could probably get a feel for it in T3( my alliance bounces between 3 and 4).
That said, if something doesn’t change with this global, I’m quitting AW after this season. This global has destroyed any enjoyment I had for AW. I’m not a fan of cheap deaths just because the defender turtles up.
Of course, Flow isn’t the only reason I might quit war. We run boss express and I’ve had to deal with doing the path and some of the mini bosses the whole season. That’s a big part of it.
But I think flow is part of a much wider issue. Alliance war as a game mode has been in tatters since seasons started. From collusion, sandbagging, mercs to nodes, to globals, to matchmaking, and at the start, length of season, I can’t remember a time when AW didn’t have an issue. The mode as a whole needs a complete rework, it’s a complete mess. But one thing at a time.
Flow needs to be cut by 75% by my reckoning. Better yet, remove defence tactics altogether. Because we all know that if it’s not Flow, they’ll over buff Bulwark or Siphon again, and so on.
That's one of the most common responses on here. It's a cash grab. Has it ever occurred to people that designing something is about a specific design goal, and not money?
I would agree, but why is it that every single time, the player base just becomes a test subject for the nodes for an entire season or two before something is thought out? Why can't the developers do tests, run Beta like how they do with Act 6 or Act 7? They designed the node wrongly. When it was pointed out, they just changed the description and said it was intended. 292 posts on this thread, and only 1 or 2 are from a moderator, first combining all the threads and then saying that we've forwarded it. Over a month of complaints and we've had literally no response.
And that is where the cashgrab argument comes in. I dont like to call out kabam for things they dont do but every defender tactic that comes after the other is overtuned.
They get worse the longer we play. The evade meta was okay at countering. It was the best of bad ones. Bullwark was just super overtuned. Then came siphon. Now flow. They always run for so long until they are changed.
They are very bad at managing the war (they react SUPER slow to broken things in war) OR it goes as they want. I dont know which is worse.
Their goal with war globals flopped big time. I hope they just delete them.
And here a picture how Wars in Tier 2 are played in the moment at around ~3.100 warrating:
Thats the endscreen btw. Everyone just goes for bosses and tries to skip as many lanes as possible.
Completely agree. There is no 'middle ground'. Either the global doesn't matter much or it's too hard. And whoever is doing the testing definitely doesn't know how to do it. Which leaves it to us to do so during the entire season before they think about doing anything.
Quite disappointed Not to see any announcement on this yet. Wars are none sense everyone use flow we all use tons of ressources and at tier 3 I rarely see a war going 100%.
This is a joke, I thought it was clear enough. But yet I see no announcement to remove or nerf badly this nonsense node that makes war painful instead of fun and challenging .
Many alliance already give up war, I may need to to the same but waiting to know what’s the plan .
What do you guys think? Come on help me get attention here . Let’s make some changes .
Learn to play. We won 10 out of 12 wars (1 of the losses was very close), all against flow and all against 10.6-11.2 alliance prestige alliances and half the wars I only needed 2 maybe 3 pots. Siphon with 1.5k block proficieny removal per blocked hit was a lot more annoying than flow is.
Flow opponents that you can stun are still easy asf. It’s the stun immune and debuff immune opponents that can be annoying but you can fix that by using the right champs
Learn to play. We won 10 out of 12 wars (1 of the losses was very close), all against flow and all against 10.6-11.2 alliance prestige alliances and half the wars I only needed 2 maybe 3 pots. Siphon with 1.5k block proficieny removal per blocked hit was a lot more annoying than flow is.
Flow opponents that you can stun are still easy asf. It’s the stun immune and debuff immune opponents that can be annoying but you can fix that by using the right champs
quite a strong assumption that everyone has the right champs, well done!
Tier 6 is a joke vs. tier 5. The global nodes are so much harder. First siphon now flow what will the next disaster be for tactics. Can you at least beta the tactics before releasing them?
Yeah crazy difference between tier 5 and 6. My alliance has deliberately dropped down to tier 6 and will make sure we stay there. If we move up to tier 5 we'll boss rush until we drop back down. In tier 6 deaths are 4 times less and only a handful of items used across 3 BG's.
makes perfect sense why those new potion were released now that i think about it, alliance war as become a cash grab if you want to 100 % complete its like when MD was OP and before blade when all you saw was mystic champs then they came out with diversity, now they go back to the same nonsense with flow, all you see in war is flow gobal and champs ,mojo, warlock, IMIW, Magik etc. and half of your champ you rank up like domino, corvus any champ that crits are useless in AW now with flow unless you're boosting heavy, if you ask me AW is not worth the headache the rewards are not that big when you add the cost over 12 wars, better to focus on AQ, and spend your money on units to do abys and act 6.
the biggest problem with flow is powergain. Messing up with powermechanics in the game is always disastrous. Then you have champs that have totally unavoidable damage tactics gain this insane pwoergaining, thus dealing even more unavoidable damage. Champs like magik, mojo, dorm, warlock have such annoying unavoidable damage it is really insane. Their counters are nullified by the node, literally one or two counters to them ( only being magik, quake) for magik/ mojo matchups. Add in the insane ai now. They have become really really smart. Their speed is so much faster, they punish every mistake, throw in and mix in their lights and heavies to avoid parries, turtle to gain power and are more stubborn in throwing specials. That is what makes this global totally ****.
I enjoy fighting flow global more than I enjoyed fighting siphon pre-nerf (1.5k block proficiency per hit in stead of 1k now) but I got the champs to fight flow opponents as all players in tier 5 or higher should have.
Here are a lot of options just from the top of my head: If you can’t quake and bake then quake parry. Magik can power lock all opponents the whole fight, doom has a passive stun and power drain, doc oc can power lock, dormammu can power lock, psylocke can power lock the opponent the whole fight, iceman can tank an sp3 every so many seconds, duped thing can tank an sp3 when you get your protection up, G2099 doesn’t crit, crossbones doesn’t crit, OR can keep up his death spores the whole fight with just 1 heavy every now and then and the rest just hits on block, wasp has passive stun after combo, doc voodoo can power burn the opponent, ghost can phase sp3’s with hood synergy, symbiote supreme can tank an sp3 with 15% damage cap at the start of his second phase, if you don’t care about the attack bonus then just corvus cheese, GP can power lock the opponent the whole fight if you can bleed the opponent, archangel can end most fights before the opponent gets to an sp3, so on
If you wouldn’t all use the same 10 champs, you’d know about a lot of these options.
Personally my team always exists of these champs: Doom G2099 OR Domino Magik Corvus
I enjoy fighting flow global more than I enjoyed fighting siphon pre-nerf (1.5k block proficiency per hit in stead of 1k now) but I got the champs to fight flow opponents as all players in tier 5 or higher should have.
Here are a lot of options just from the top of my head: If you can’t quake and bake then quake parry. Magik can power lock all opponents the whole fight, doom has a passive stun and power drain, doc oc can power lock, dormammu can power lock, psylocke can power lock the opponent the whole fight, iceman can tank an sp3 every so many seconds, duped thing can tank an sp3 when you get your protection up, G2099 doesn’t crit, crossbones doesn’t crit, OR can keep up his death spores the whole fight with just 1 heavy every now and then and the rest just hits on block, wasp has passive stun after combo, doc voodoo can power burn the opponent, ghost can phase sp3’s with hood synergy, symbiote supreme can tank an sp3 with 15% damage cap at the start of his second phase, if you don’t care about the attack bonus then just corvus cheese, GP can power lock the opponent the whole fight if you can bleed the opponent, archangel can end most fights before the opponent gets to an sp3, so on
If you wouldn’t all use the same 10 champs, you’d know about a lot of these options.
Personally my team always exists of these champs: Doom G2099 OR Domino Magik Corvus
Everyone doesn't have those champs. It's very easy to talk. Been playing for 4 years. No Quake. Just pulled Magik. No GP. No AA. No Sym. No G99. I've tried Voodoo. A lot of the champs you talk about need to reach the L2. Even then, it's not perfect. Voodoo does crit. Hardly anyone takes Doc Ock to R5. You still have to reach L2 to play perfectly. Dorm is basically a timeout. Same with Psylock. CB sucks vs all mystic champs. Even then, his block prof isn't great when you go into overrun. And taking him to R5 just for 2-3 champs seems kinda pointless since he doesn't have much use otherwise. Iceman will just die if you keep getting crits. 4.5 bars in 15 seconds if 3 crits. Ice Armour doesn't come back that fast. Wasp will passive stun and then apply 2 crits with the rest of her heavy. So that's useless. And a lot of these champs won't work against Robots/stun or debuff immune nodes. Also, not caring about attack bonus is just a way to lose war. You can still manage Siphon. I faced 5 champs with Void this war. Few were flow, couple weren't. In all of the fights, crits were random. Hard to bait out, but I got lucky with petrify. Went in vs boss, first 3 hits, 3 crits. Please tell me how you counter that without a champ that doesn't crit. Just keep talking about G99 and sit there. Need to understand that even at high prestige, EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE CHAMPS. Thanks and have a good day.
I enjoy fighting flow global more than I enjoyed fighting siphon pre-nerf (1.5k block proficiency per hit in stead of 1k now) but I got the champs to fight flow opponents as all players in tier 5 or higher should have.
Here are a lot of options just from the top of my head: If you can’t quake and bake then quake parry. Magik can power lock all opponents the whole fight, doom has a passive stun and power drain, doc oc can power lock, dormammu can power lock, psylocke can power lock the opponent the whole fight, iceman can tank an sp3 every so many seconds, duped thing can tank an sp3 when you get your protection up, G2099 doesn’t crit, crossbones doesn’t crit, OR can keep up his death spores the whole fight with just 1 heavy every now and then and the rest just hits on block, wasp has passive stun after combo, doc voodoo can power burn the opponent, ghost can phase sp3’s with hood synergy, symbiote supreme can tank an sp3 with 15% damage cap at the start of his second phase, if you don’t care about the attack bonus then just corvus cheese, GP can power lock the opponent the whole fight if you can bleed the opponent, archangel can end most fights before the opponent gets to an sp3, so on
If you wouldn’t all use the same 10 champs, you’d know about a lot of these options.
Personally my team always exists of these champs: Doom G2099 OR Domino Magik Corvus
Everyone doesn't have those champs. It's very easy to talk. Been playing for 4 years. No Quake. Just pulled Magik. No GP. No AA. No Sym. No G99. I've tried Voodoo. A lot of the champs you talk about need to reach the L2. Even then, it's not perfect. Voodoo does crit. Hardly anyone takes Doc Ock to R5. You still have to reach L2 to play perfectly. Dorm is basically a timeout. Same with Psylock. CB sucks vs all mystic champs. Even then, his block prof isn't great when you go into overrun. And taking him to R5 just for 2-3 champs seems kinda pointless since he doesn't have much use otherwise. Iceman will just die if you keep getting crits. 4.5 bars in 15 seconds if 3 crits. Ice Armour doesn't come back that fast. Wasp will passive stun and then apply 2 crits with the rest of her heavy. So that's useless. And a lot of these champs won't work against Robots/stun or debuff immune nodes. Also, not caring about attack bonus is just a way to lose war. You can still manage Siphon. I faced 5 champs with Void this war. Few were flow, couple weren't. In all of the fights, crits were random. Hard to bait out, but I got lucky with petrify. Went in vs boss, first 3 hits, 3 crits. Please tell me how you counter that without a champ that doesn't crit. Just keep talking about G99 and sit there. Need to understand that even at high prestige, EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE CHAMPS. Thanks and have a good day.
Thanks and have a nice day as well. Every person with 10.6k+ prestige should have at least 20 R5’s or R2 6*’s even when ftp (cause outside 4th of july and cyber monday the past 2 years I haven’t ever bought a single odin) and did all my content with earned units from arena, eq and so on. You shouldn’t be in tier 5 and up if you don’t have at least one of those options.
The fact that there are 5k-8k prestige alliances in tier 5 and above is the real problem cause none of them should ever be there.
Also you do know that G2099 and warlock (the robot control champs) can easily be countered by 2 champs being medusa and vision aarkus (there you go another two options for flow opponents).
I even forgot about KM who after an sp2 can just tank an sp3 as well and if you bring the right synergy he even starts with 3 indistructable charges
I enjoy fighting flow global more than I enjoyed fighting siphon pre-nerf (1.5k block proficiency per hit in stead of 1k now) but I got the champs to fight flow opponents as all players in tier 5 or higher should have.
Here are a lot of options just from the top of my head: If you can’t quake and bake then quake parry. Magik can power lock all opponents the whole fight, doom has a passive stun and power drain, doc oc can power lock, dormammu can power lock, psylocke can power lock the opponent the whole fight, iceman can tank an sp3 every so many seconds, duped thing can tank an sp3 when you get your protection up, G2099 doesn’t crit, crossbones doesn’t crit, OR can keep up his death spores the whole fight with just 1 heavy every now and then and the rest just hits on block, wasp has passive stun after combo, doc voodoo can power burn the opponent, ghost can phase sp3’s with hood synergy, symbiote supreme can tank an sp3 with 15% damage cap at the start of his second phase, if you don’t care about the attack bonus then just corvus cheese, GP can power lock the opponent the whole fight if you can bleed the opponent, archangel can end most fights before the opponent gets to an sp3, so on
If you wouldn’t all use the same 10 champs, you’d know about a lot of these options.
Personally my team always exists of these champs: Doom G2099 OR Domino Magik Corvus
Everyone doesn't have those champs. It's very easy to talk. Been playing for 4 years. No Quake. Just pulled Magik. No GP. No AA. No Sym. No G99. I've tried Voodoo. A lot of the champs you talk about need to reach the L2. Even then, it's not perfect. Voodoo does crit. Hardly anyone takes Doc Ock to R5. You still have to reach L2 to play perfectly. Dorm is basically a timeout. Same with Psylock. CB sucks vs all mystic champs. Even then, his block prof isn't great when you go into overrun. And taking him to R5 just for 2-3 champs seems kinda pointless since he doesn't have much use otherwise. Iceman will just die if you keep getting crits. 4.5 bars in 15 seconds if 3 crits. Ice Armour doesn't come back that fast. Wasp will passive stun and then apply 2 crits with the rest of her heavy. So that's useless. And a lot of these champs won't work against Robots/stun or debuff immune nodes. Also, not caring about attack bonus is just a way to lose war. You can still manage Siphon. I faced 5 champs with Void this war. Few were flow, couple weren't. In all of the fights, crits were random. Hard to bait out, but I got lucky with petrify. Went in vs boss, first 3 hits, 3 crits. Please tell me how you counter that without a champ that doesn't crit. Just keep talking about G99 and sit there. Need to understand that even at high prestige, EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE CHAMPS. Thanks and have a good day.
Thanks and have a nice day as well. Every person with 10.6k+ prestige should have at least 20 R5’s or R2 6*’s even when ftp (cause outside 4th of july and cyber monday the past 2 years I haven’t ever bought a single odin) and did all my content with earned units from arena, eq and so on. You shouldn’t be in tier 5 and up if you don’t have at least one of those options.
The fact that there are 5k-8k prestige alliances in tier 5 and above is the real problem cause none of them should ever be there.
Also you do know that G2099 and warlock (the robot control champs) can easily be countered by 2 champs being medusa and vision aarkus (there you go another two options for flow opponents).
I even forgot about KM who after an sp2 can just tank an sp3 as well and if you bring the right synergy he even starts with 3 indistructable charges
False. All alliances in T5 and above are not 10.6k prestige. I'm in an alliance with 10.2k, and a lot of is don't have the options. Don't tell me that only alliances with prestige above 10.6k should be there in T5 or above because that's utter bs. Pulls are all RNG. Simple as that. You can't base anything on stuff like that. We have to manage with the champs we get. G2099 and Warlock only get armour break with Aarkus if I'm not mistaken. And Warlock can stop Dusa's abilities from working with the infection. Also, neither of them work on Debuff immune. KM is a good option I agree, but again, everyone doesn't have him. All your so called counters depend on champs cooperation and everyone having them. I'm 10k prestige, have 15 R5 and 1 R2 and can take up more but I don't have most of the champs you call counters. Why? Simply because RNG sucks. Once more, just as a reply to the new counters you posted, no KM,no Aarkus, no Dusa.
Siphon was a **** node, but atleast required a more skill. Some fights were garbage there too I admit, but flow is more of luck and less of skill. Agree to disagree, but there's no way you're changing my opinion or the opinion of so many people about this.
Guessing you wouldn’t like my defense. Also got a R5 magik, warlock and symbiote supreme that aren’t being used much. BW CV too but she’s used in aq a lot
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Very good. I'm not. Now how about what I actually said?!
292 posts on this thread, and only 1 or 2 are from a moderator, first combining all the threads and then saying that we've forwarded it.
Over a month of complaints and we've had literally no response.
They get worse the longer we play. The evade meta was okay at countering. It was the best of bad ones.
Bullwark was just super overtuned. Then came siphon. Now flow. They always run for so long until they are changed.
They are very bad at managing the war (they react SUPER slow to broken things in war) OR it goes as they want. I dont know which is worse.
Their goal with war globals flopped big time. I hope they just delete them.
And here a picture how Wars in Tier 2 are played in the moment at around ~3.100 warrating:
Thats the endscreen btw.
Everyone just goes for bosses and tries to skip as many lanes as possible.
That said, if something doesn’t change with this global, I’m quitting AW after this season. This global has destroyed any enjoyment I had for AW. I’m not a fan of cheap deaths just because the defender turtles up.
Of course, Flow isn’t the only reason I might quit war. We run boss express and I’ve had to deal with doing the path and some of the mini bosses the whole season. That’s a big part of it.
But I think flow is part of a much wider issue. Alliance war as a game mode has been in tatters since seasons started. From collusion, sandbagging, mercs to nodes, to globals, to matchmaking, and at the start, length of season, I can’t remember a time when AW didn’t have an issue. The mode as a whole needs a complete rework, it’s a complete mess. But one thing at a time.
Flow needs to be cut by 75% by my reckoning. Better yet, remove defence tactics altogether. Because we all know that if it’s not Flow, they’ll over buff Bulwark or Siphon again, and so on.
Something drastic needs to change.
This is a joke, I thought it was clear enough. But yet I see no announcement to remove or nerf badly this nonsense node that makes war painful instead of fun and challenging .
Many alliance already give up war, I may need to to the same but waiting to know what’s the plan .
What do you guys think? Come on help me get attention here . Let’s make some changes .
Cheers
Flow opponents that you can stun are still easy asf. It’s the stun immune and debuff immune opponents that can be annoying but you can fix that by using the right champs
My alliance has deliberately dropped down to tier 6 and will make sure we stay there.
If we move up to tier 5 we'll boss rush until we drop back down.
In tier 6 deaths are 4 times less and only a handful of items used across 3 BG's.
Champs like magik, mojo, dorm, warlock have such annoying unavoidable damage it is really insane.
Their counters are nullified by the node, literally one or two counters to them ( only being magik, quake) for magik/ mojo matchups.
Add in the insane ai now. They have become really really smart. Their speed is so much faster, they punish every mistake, throw in and mix in their lights and heavies to avoid parries, turtle to gain power and are more stubborn in throwing specials. That is what makes this global totally ****.
Here are a lot of options just from the top of my head:
If you can’t quake and bake then quake parry. Magik can power lock all opponents the whole fight, doom has a passive stun and power drain, doc oc can power lock, dormammu can power lock, psylocke can power lock the opponent the whole fight, iceman can tank an sp3 every so many seconds, duped thing can tank an sp3 when you get your protection up, G2099 doesn’t crit, crossbones doesn’t crit, OR can keep up his death spores the whole fight with just 1 heavy every now and then and the rest just hits on block, wasp has passive stun after combo, doc voodoo can power burn the opponent, ghost can phase sp3’s with hood synergy, symbiote supreme can tank an sp3 with 15% damage cap at the start of his second phase, if you don’t care about the attack bonus then just corvus cheese, GP can power lock the opponent the whole fight if you can bleed the opponent, archangel can end most fights before the opponent gets to an sp3, so on
If you wouldn’t all use the same 10 champs, you’d know about a lot of these options.
Personally my team always exists of these champs:
Doom
G2099
OR
Domino
Magik
Corvus
Been playing for 4 years. No Quake. Just pulled Magik. No GP. No AA. No Sym. No G99.
I've tried Voodoo. A lot of the champs you talk about need to reach the L2. Even then, it's not perfect. Voodoo does crit. Hardly anyone takes Doc Ock to R5. You still have to reach L2 to play perfectly.
Dorm is basically a timeout. Same with Psylock.
CB sucks vs all mystic champs. Even then, his block prof isn't great when you go into overrun. And taking him to R5 just for 2-3 champs seems kinda pointless since he doesn't have much use otherwise. Iceman will just die if you keep getting crits. 4.5 bars in 15 seconds if 3 crits. Ice Armour doesn't come back that fast. Wasp will passive stun and then apply 2 crits with the rest of her heavy. So that's useless. And a lot of these champs won't work against Robots/stun or debuff immune nodes.
Also, not caring about attack bonus is just a way to lose war.
You can still manage Siphon. I faced 5 champs with Void this war. Few were flow, couple weren't. In all of the fights, crits were random. Hard to bait out, but I got lucky with petrify. Went in vs boss, first 3 hits, 3 crits. Please tell me how you counter that without a champ that doesn't crit. Just keep talking about G99 and sit there. Need to understand that even at high prestige, EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE CHAMPS. Thanks and have a good day.
The fact that there are 5k-8k prestige alliances in tier 5 and above is the real problem cause none of them should ever be there.
Also you do know that G2099 and warlock (the robot control champs) can easily be countered by 2 champs being medusa and vision aarkus (there you go another two options for flow opponents).
I even forgot about KM who after an sp2 can just tank an sp3 as well and if you bring the right synergy he even starts with 3 indistructable charges
Pulls are all RNG. Simple as that. You can't base anything on stuff like that. We have to manage with the champs we get. G2099 and Warlock only get armour break with Aarkus if I'm not mistaken. And Warlock can stop Dusa's abilities from working with the infection. Also, neither of them work on Debuff immune. KM is a good option I agree, but again, everyone doesn't have him. All your so called counters depend on champs cooperation and everyone having them. I'm 10k prestige, have 15 R5 and 1 R2 and can take up more but I don't have most of the champs you call counters. Why? Simply because RNG sucks. Once more, just as a reply to the new counters you posted, no KM,no Aarkus, no Dusa.
Siphon was a **** node, but atleast required a more skill. Some fights were garbage there too I admit, but flow is more of luck and less of skill.
Agree to disagree, but there's no way you're changing my opinion or the opinion of so many people about this.
Guessing you wouldn’t like my defense. Also got a R5 magik, warlock and symbiote supreme that aren’t being used much. BW CV too but she’s used in aq a lot