@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
Doubt most care about getting even as you say. It's all about the rewards. Rewards could be handled by tier, but you'd see a lot of lower alliances complain about that too. Seasons could have been fixed earlier, but it wasn't. That's what has led us to this point.
2nd graders took a math test that consisted of addition and subtraction problems. 9th graders took a calculus test. The 2nd graders all got As and Bs while the 9th graders were mixed results from As to Ds. So clearly the 2nd graders are smarter and should just graduate right?!! Right?...
We have jumped from t11 to t8 in two wars, because the alliances who we faced (who were higher ranked and higher rated last season, than us) couldn’t clear half our defense. The levelling is happening reasonably quickly, the hiccups in this levelling system will be the ones who do catch similar strength alliances when their war rating is still out of whack from the previous system.
2nd graders took a math test that consisted of addition and subtraction problems. 9th graders took a calculus test. The 2nd graders all got As and Bs while the 9th graders were mixed results from As to Ds. So clearly the 2nd graders are smarter and should just graduate right?!! Right?...
That's apples and oranges guy... don't bring your ignorance into the debate... bring logic instead...
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Surprised ya’ll are still wasting time arguing against these nonstop nonsensical points.
Arenas award players based on how many points they put up relative to other players, Not your record or anything else. They do not award weaker players by giving them more points for using lesser rated teams than they do for stronger players using stronger teams.
There is no point in arguing with this guy when his unyielding belief is that players should be rewarded based on record rather than ability (something people routinely mislabel as skill).
2nd graders took a math test that consisted of addition and subtraction problems. 9th graders took a calculus test. The 2nd graders all got As and Bs while the 9th graders were mixed results from As to Ds. So clearly the 2nd graders are smarter and should just graduate right?!! Right?...
That's apples and oranges guy... don't bring your ignorance into the debate... bring logic instead...
That was logic. And a perfect comparison. Sorry you can’t understand it. It’s meant for the others to have a laugh.
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
I’ll add this to the list of insult citations we were chatting about earlier.
No. You implied my comment was that people weren't skilled, and they bought their Rosters. I said no such thing.
Well then how did they get their rosters. You said it wasn’t skill because they are beneath you. So which is it?
@Skitard i was uncollected before I had an r4 5* (not even sure I had an r3) and was never a spender, I beat the collector On all paths with a 4* night crawler that I ran 4* arena for. I’ve spent maybe $100 total in 5 years in the game. You kept saying we have less skill than you. We just didn’t have an even playing field. You were advantaged in the old broken system, now we do
@Skitard i was uncollected before I had an r4 5* (not even sure I had an r3) and was never a spender, I beat the collector On all paths with a 4* night crawler that I ran 4* arena for. I’ve spent maybe $100 total in 5 years in the game. You kept saying we have less skill than you. We just didn’t have an even playing field. You were advantaged in the old broken system, now we do
Playing a game more to grow and get better?! Stop that!! Lol
I also beat rol with 4/40s and zero revives and lol with 4/55 trinity. but please keep telling me how I deserve to be in silver 1 because my skills are worse than yours
@Skitard i was uncollected before I had an r4 5* (not even sure I had an r3) and was never a spender, I beat the collector On all paths with a 4* night crawler that I ran 4* arena for. I’ve spent maybe $100 total in 5 years in the game. You kept saying we have less skill than you. We just didn’t have an even playing field. You were advantaged in the old broken system, now we do
I never said you had less skill than me... less comprehension ABSOLUTELY... but not less skill...
I'm stating that when placed in an even playing field winners should benefit more and losers should benefit less... you keep saying I'm comparing my skill to yours... and i haven't once done that... I'm saying that my alliance beating an enemy alliance of the same strength should reward us the same as your alliance beating an equal strength alliance...
You guys keep disagreeing with my posts because it means if you can't beat an alliance on your level you feel I'm saying you should get smaller rewards than my alliance if we beat an alliance on our level...
At no point have I said that at all...
I'm saying winners in lower rated alliances should receive rewards that are a fraction of the same level of a higher tier bracket...
Not that strong alliances losers should receive ridiculously low rewards... they should still surpass the lower tier rewards... as in all of those high tier alliances should receive 6 star shards... and stuff..
But so should the strongest of the weaker alliances... not as many... but some...
I really wish you guys could understand what I'm saying... i feel like my 4 year old son would understand the simplicity of what I'm saying better than the majority of you have...
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
It's 100% about the rewards for most people here lol
Is it really? Why was the Matchmaking changed and not the Rewards then?
lol... i still got a disagree when I stated that the higher rated alliances do deserve better rewards than the weak alliances... but that the lower rated alliances shouldn't be shafted... which only goes to show how stupid people are... i assume they realize that if the lower alliances are able to receive rewards that aren't as crappy then they would have the chance to build up and stomp the weak alliance that was recently stronger than they were... typical...
@skitard yes these few wars are ugly now. I’m not sure you comprehend what the big picture is, soon you will be faced with similar strength alliances, the ability to go on 20/30 win streaks will be limited by your defensive roster and the unorganised and weaker alliances you were steamrolling over and over again won’t be your matchups because they don’t deserve to be on your level, until they organise and grow. Big picture is good for fairness, small picture yeah it’s bad because of how broken the war ratings have become from previous system, but saying we were less skilful when we couldn’t climb out of a tier by winning 7 or 8/12 in the season shows that you think winning over and over again over the same bad alliances should be the norm and never have been taken away from you, my alliance isn’t less skilled than yours, we were the victims of a broken system that has been dumped. So we are happy that we can return to the system we knew and flourished in and were fairly rewarded for (For our efforts) before that travesty was brought in. I dont feel too bad for the alliances I just steam Rolled because for 9 seasons they Literally displaced me for their rewards while never having to face my alliance because they were protected By their low prestige. A very strange factor to reward
Everyone keeps talking about the Rewards and here they are proud as peacocks that the Matches are uneven. The Rewards could have been dealt with. No, no. It's about watching the Allies with weaker Champs fail. 100% sport loss.
It's really surprising that people seem to think that this change is going to elevate them so much. Even in @QuikPik analysis, how many alliances were there that were not supposed to be there? These guys were getting matched with almost equal war rating earlier too. What got them riled up was that they saw some lower rated alliances being places higher than them and it was raised every season. I agree that it was not an ideal system but doing it this way is also not good. Sorry for the comparison, telling the alliances getting huge mismatch that it will be better in a few wars is like saying to woman getting **** it will all be over soon.
It doesn’t matter how many alliances are there that weren’t supposed to be there.
In this new (or old old) war rating system, everyone will rank at where they are supposed to rank.
There is no ideal system, but this new system is much fairer than the previous prestige based one.
(On a side note, it also gives me the joy of watching low entitled alliances cry over getting a bad matchup when deep down, they know the war rewards at the end of the season are way more generous than they’re supposed to earn given their progression levels.)
Oh, I have no issue with the system itself. I agree that the earlier system was broken and it was being unfair to some alliances. It needed to change. What I don't agree was the way kabam went about it and the way alliances that were supposedly screwed simply telling to wait for it to settle down. And I don't think feel down anyone knew they did not deserve the rewards they were getting. They won the war and saw the prizes go up. I don't think majority of the people had any idea about the other higher prestige alliances getting screwed. Some did and they messed with the system, but I believe a majority of them did not and thst is why you see so much complaining about unfair match ups.
Also, many people have raised that they were stuck in g2 or g2 while alliances lower than them were placed in p4 and p3. If you look at the excel shared, most of the discrepancy seems to be in gold tier and very little are in the plat and master tiers. That is why I think the shakeup could be focused on the bottom tiers than the top ones. I could be wrong and I look forward for @QuikPik to analyse and tell me hopefully.
P.S This system works wonders for me so it is not for me that I am speaking. We crushed our opponents as they could not clear the map
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
It's 100% about the rewards for most people here lol
Is it really? Why was the Matchmaking changed and not the Rewards then?
Ask Kabam
Kabam listened to the complaints of people. Everyone kept saying they wanted Matchmaking fixed. The issue wasn't the Matchmaking, it was the Rewards structure. It had part to do with the Rewards, but the real argument was that bigger Alliances didn't get a chance to overpower the smaller ones. "They would never win against us!"
Kabam listened to the complaints of people. Everyone kept saying they wanted Matchmaking fixed. The issue wasn't the Matchmaking, it was the Rewards structure. It had part to do with the Rewards, but the real argument was that bigger Alliances didn't get a chance to overpower the smaller ones. "They would never win against us!"
An argument somewhat validated by the fact those smaller alliances were displacing them For rewards. Whilst never having to face them. It’s not rocket science, it’s simple Boring tournament style competition on an even playing field we have ended up with. A tiered system might work but it seems to open up more exploits than it fixes, as apart from this shambles of a season, as you’ve Already agreed, this system won’t be as exploitable in the long term
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
It's 100% about the rewards for most people here lol
Is it really? Why was the Matchmaking changed and not the Rewards then?
I addressed earlier why I am cautious about your suggested tier system. I think that overall, most bigger alliances would accept your system. But in short, it gives more skilled alliances absolutely no chance at beating bigger alliances if they can climb that far, such as Mauled and Seraphion have been able to do. Those guys have straight up earned their rewards, and deserve to place higher than the opponents they beat based on performance.
So if there is going to be a single bracket with a single scale for who is better (and thereby earns better rewards), then you need to make it as objective as possible. The only way to achieve that is by making people in the same ranking fight each other. 1 and 2 fight for 1st, 50th and 51st fight for 50th, and it essentially becomes a series of battles to earn your place above the alliance whom you are fighting. So if an alliance is aiming for a spot in gold 2, they should have to he prepared to face every alliance vying for that same spot. Can't beat the competition you're fighting for placement? Then you probably aren't ready to place above them yet.
It actually aligns Rewards based on where Players are at, and their Rewards and Matches grow as their Accounts and Alliances do. It's not so much about limiting as it is creating a range for Points that doesn't allow Players to earn Rewards beyond what they're not working on. They'll still earn more Points for higher Tiers, but there will be an absolute limit based on the Prestige Bracket they're in. The higher the limit, the more Points they'll be capable of earning, maximized by their Tier 1 Wins respectively. As Players Rank their Champs and Allies grow, they will rise in Matches and the ability to earn more Points. It's not a total inhibitor, as growth always happens. Unless some Alliance isn't interested in Ranking anyone else, getting better Champs, Ranking them higher, or anything in between. In which case playing the game isn't advisable. Lol.
So is winning half and losing half but continually dropping down. There are 2 sides to every argument yet you only see one.
I only see my own point of view because I'm not telling everyone else where I think they belong.
Well thank goodness Kabam isn’t taking on your myopic point of view on what you think is fair and is putting things right. You have spoken at length about how unfair the imbalanced matchups are for small alliances. Yet when presented with cold hard facts about how imbalanced the previous system was for players who took the time, effort and sometimes money to upgrade their rosters and prestige, you respond in an emotional, petulant manner devoid of any form of logic.
You wail about how the big boys want to trample on the little guys, when actually some of the big boys are more aggrieved that the previous matchmaking system denied them proper rewards for 10 whole AW seasons. Your myopic one-sided point of view however hinders you from acknowledging this fact, when other more sensible-minded players acknowledge that the changes are for the better. Even by some of those who are being negatively affected by said changes.
So continue to rant and rave about your perceived injustices against the new matchmaking system. I just hope and wish for continued guidance (and wisdom) to Kabam to ignore what you say and keep these changes to war matchmaking. It’s been a few seasons too late, but better late than never.
@GroundedWisdom do you really think that the only difference between players in a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is rosters size.
I would guarantee that a majority of the time a very large skill difference as well. Those players in a 10k prestige ally have grinded through content that forces people to evolve their skill even if they are big spenders. Also many players at that level are f2p or barely spend so they had to evolve their skills to overcome without spending.
The match ups in previous seasons are what they were given so ya not their fault. But can we stop pretending that the only difference between a 5000 prestige alliance and a 10000 prestige alliance is roster size. Can we stop pretending that a 10k alliance verse a 10k alliance is the same as a 5k vs a 5k. The time spent in game does more than just grow your roster.
Just as long as we can stop pretending this is about the Rewards and not just about getting even with them for winning.
It's 100% about the rewards for most people here lol
Is it really? Why was the Matchmaking changed and not the Rewards then?
I addressed earlier why I am cautious about your suggested tier system. I think that overall, most bigger alliances would accept your system. But in short, it gives more skilled alliances absolutely no chance at beating bigger alliances if they can climb that far, such as Mauled and Seraphion have been able to do. Those guys have straight up earned their rewards, and deserve to place higher than the opponents they beat based on performance.
So if there is going to be a single bracket with a single scale for who is better (and thereby earns better rewards), then you need to make it as objective as possible. The only way to achieve that is by making people in the same ranking fight each other. 1 and 2 fight for 1st, 50th and 51st fight for 50th, and it essentially becomes a series of battles to earn your place above the alliance whom you are fighting. So if an alliance is aiming for a spot in gold 2, they should have to he prepared to face every alliance vying for that same spot. Can't beat the competition you're fighting for placement? Then you probably aren't ready to place above them yet.
It actually aligns Rewards based on where Players are at, and their Rewards and Matches grow as their Accounts and Alliances do. It's not so much about limiting as it is creating a range for Points that doesn't allow Players to earn Rewards beyond what they're not working on. They'll still earn more Points for higher Tiers, but there will be an absolute limit based on the Prestige Bracket they're in. The higher the limit, the more Points they'll be capable of earning, maximized by their Tier 1 Wins respectively. As Players Rank their Champs and Allies grow, they will rise in Matches and the ability to earn more Points. It's not a total inhibitor, as growth always happens. Unless some Alliance isn't interested in Ranking anyone else, getting better Champs, Ranking them higher, or anything in between. In which case playing the game isn't advisable. Lol.
But it would unequivocally lock a 9.5 qlliance out of the 10.5k league. If the current new mm does its job correctly once the dust settles, we should have more of a natural bracket system in place without Kabam needing to get involved. Only, it would not have to be up to Kabam where to parse the continuous variable of prestige into discrete categories. And there would be the added advantage that one could climb tiers mid-season.
I'm not entirely against your idea, but why is it fair to inhibit smaller alliances from testing their capabilities to hold their own against bigger alliances. The ones that can make it that far deserve a shot.
That entirely depends on the Brackets they create.
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Rewards could be handled by tier, but you'd see a lot of lower alliances complain about that too. Seasons could have been fixed earlier, but it wasn't. That's what has led us to this point.
Arenas award players based on how many points they put up relative to other players, Not your record or anything else. They do not award weaker players by giving them more points for using lesser rated teams than they do for stronger players using stronger teams.
There is no point in arguing with this guy when his unyielding belief is that players should be rewarded based on record rather than ability (something people routinely mislabel as skill).
Also hi kettle! 🙂
I'm stating that when placed in an even playing field winners should benefit more and losers should benefit less... you keep saying I'm comparing my skill to yours... and i haven't once done that... I'm saying that my alliance beating an enemy alliance of the same strength should reward us the same as your alliance beating an equal strength alliance...
You guys keep disagreeing with my posts because it means if you can't beat an alliance on your level you feel I'm saying you should get smaller rewards than my alliance if we beat an alliance on our level...
At no point have I said that at all...
I'm saying winners in lower rated alliances should receive rewards that are a fraction of the same level of a higher tier bracket...
Not that strong alliances losers should receive ridiculously low rewards... they should still surpass the lower tier rewards... as in all of those high tier alliances should receive 6 star shards... and stuff..
But so should the strongest of the weaker alliances... not as many... but some...
I really wish you guys could understand what I'm saying... i feel like my 4 year old son would understand the simplicity of what I'm saying better than the majority of you have...
Rolled because for 9 seasons they Literally displaced me for their rewards while never having to face my alliance because they were protected By their low prestige. A very strange factor to reward
Also, many people have raised that they were stuck in g2 or g2 while alliances lower than them were placed in p4 and p3. If you look at the excel shared, most of the discrepancy seems to be in gold tier and very little are in the plat and master tiers. That is why I think the shakeup could be focused on the bottom tiers than the top ones. I could be wrong and I look forward for @QuikPik to analyse and tell me hopefully.
P.S This system works wonders for me so it is not for me that I am speaking. We crushed our opponents as they could not clear the map
Kabam listened to the complaints of people. Everyone kept saying they wanted Matchmaking fixed. The issue wasn't the Matchmaking, it was the Rewards structure. It had part to do with the Rewards, but the real argument was that bigger Alliances didn't get a chance to overpower the smaller ones. "They would never win against us!"
An argument somewhat validated by the fact those smaller alliances were displacing them
For rewards. Whilst never having to face them. It’s not rocket science, it’s simple
Boring tournament style competition on an even playing field we have ended up with. A tiered system might work but it seems to open up more exploits than it fixes, as apart from this shambles of a season, as you’ve Already agreed, this system won’t be as exploitable in the long term
You wail about how the big boys want to trample on the little guys, when actually some of the big boys are more aggrieved that the previous matchmaking system denied them proper rewards for 10 whole AW seasons. Your myopic one-sided point of view however hinders you from acknowledging this fact, when other more sensible-minded players acknowledge that the changes are for the better. Even by some of those who are being negatively affected by said changes.
So continue to rant and rave about your perceived injustices against the new matchmaking system. I just hope and wish for continued guidance (and wisdom) to Kabam to ignore what you say and keep these changes to war matchmaking. It’s been a few seasons too late, but better late than never.