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Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

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  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    Mcord117 said:

    I am just going to say that the thread is 33 pages in and I have yet read a single justification of the r3 gate that makes any sense whatsoever.

    100% act 6 fine
    100% the abyss, ok but I wouldn’t love it

    Forcing people holding onto items for the right champ to use them elsewhere or not gain the progression, senseless

    What justification makes sense against the R3 requirement? I have yet to see one that makes sense the other way. Just because you don't believe it what people have said before, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. 🤷
    -Doing act6 completion doesn't give you anywhere near a full t5cc
    -If kabam wanted to separate Cav players they could of had a progression title at completion and exploration of act6 maybe even abyss 100% as well.
    - There has never been a champion rank requirement in previous progression titles so why not add it to Cavalier and uncollected as well
    Why Now?

    There is a wide range of Summoners that have achieved the Cavalier title.

    A fresh Cavalier Player that has just beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 once is worlds apart from a Summoner that has conquered all of Act 6, explored the Abyss, and takes on the Grandmaster just for fun.

    Campaign progression titles help segment players so that we can appropriately target content and rewards to different levels of progression and roster maturity. With the switch to both a test of skill/progression and roster maturity, we’ll be able to do that for the top-tier players.
    except you’re not taking into account the middle ground between a endgame player with nearly everything done 100% or everything done and a brand new cav player... for example a player that’s exploring act 6 and did all variants 100% and lol... don’t you believe that’s an important progression point also? They should consider doing two new titles or just come out for one that’s for completing act 6 now and another later on for the absolute best of players
    Those are players all working with r5/r2 roster progression. After that is r3 progression which is what this next level is for. There just isn’t anything in between that.
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 629 ★★★
    edited September 2020

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    Who said the title is relative to skill? It's based on progression, both content and roster strength.
    I know I wish my roster strength was better, 5 r2 6, 12 r5 5, 16 r4 5 with 4 t5b 9t2a and 2 r5 gems waiting in the wings
    Progression wish I was further but took a year break but in a short span 100 v5,4,3,2 and ran through 1, 100 cav including 4*, 100 omega and did summoner showdown and up pre nerf no items but not fast enough for down, 100 act 5, ran through 6, 100 6.1, with 3 paths now left for mordo to 100 that one to move to champion map, and ran through lol. All the while 100 all eq including beginner every single month. With bar e refills low to no items used.

    If only my skill, roster and progress was better. Tbh I would be happier if it was tied to prestige or act 6 100%. Once I fully explore 6 (at my pace 2 to 3 more weeks) If I get skill or tech t5c my options for r3 is king pin or redskull. What a fair and fun way to decide that title.

  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    Mcord117 said:

    I am just going to say that the thread is 33 pages in and I have yet read a single justification of the r3 gate that makes any sense whatsoever.

    100% act 6 fine
    100% the abyss, ok but I wouldn’t love it

    Forcing people holding onto items for the right champ to use them elsewhere or not gain the progression, senseless

    What justification makes sense against the R3 requirement? I have yet to see one that makes sense the other way. Just because you don't believe it what people have said before, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. 🤷
    -Doing act6 completion doesn't give you anywhere near a full t5cc
    -If kabam wanted to separate Cav players they could of had a progression title at completion and exploration of act6 maybe even abyss 100% as well.
    - There has never been a champion rank requirement in previous progression titles so why not add it to Cavalier and uncollected as well
    Why Now?

    There is a wide range of Summoners that have achieved the Cavalier title.

    A fresh Cavalier Player that has just beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 once is worlds apart from a Summoner that has conquered all of Act 6, explored the Abyss, and takes on the Grandmaster just for fun.

    Campaign progression titles help segment players so that we can appropriately target content and rewards to different levels of progression and roster maturity. With the switch to both a test of skill/progression and roster maturity, we’ll be able to do that for the top-tier players.
    except you’re not taking into account the middle ground between a endgame player with nearly everything done 100% or everything done and a brand new cav player... for example a player that’s exploring act 6 and did all variants 100% and lol... don’t you believe that’s an important progression point also? They should consider doing two new titles or just come out for one that’s for completing act 6 now and another later on for the absolute best of players
    Those are players all working with r5/r2 roster progression. After that is r3 progression which is what this next level is for. There just isn’t anything in between that.
    Ya mostly r5s like myself exactly but that’s the thing you can do all the content in the game with r5s and decent skill so I don’t understand what the point of that restriction is maybe like later on in the game in the middle of book 2 it’d b fair it’s like all the endgame players with everything done dont want to spread the wealth when every player that’s completed act 6 and forward could benefit a fair bit from the changes.
    Yeah and so would level 1 players but it’s used to tailor content towards players at a specific level, in the case of throne breaker that is used to tailor content for players with r3 champions.

    It was originally meant for mid book 2 but well something something they need it now and that has nothing to do with tailoring offers. Snoogans.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    Mcord117 said:

    I am just going to say that the thread is 33 pages in and I have yet read a single justification of the r3 gate that makes any sense whatsoever.

    100% act 6 fine
    100% the abyss, ok but I wouldn’t love it

    Forcing people holding onto items for the right champ to use them elsewhere or not gain the progression, senseless

    What justification makes sense against the R3 requirement? I have yet to see one that makes sense the other way. Just because you don't believe it what people have said before, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. 🤷
    -Doing act6 completion doesn't give you anywhere near a full t5cc
    -If kabam wanted to separate Cav players they could of had a progression title at completion and exploration of act6 maybe even abyss 100% as well.
    - There has never been a champion rank requirement in previous progression titles so why not add it to Cavalier and uncollected as well
    Why Now?

    There is a wide range of Summoners that have achieved the Cavalier title.

    A fresh Cavalier Player that has just beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 once is worlds apart from a Summoner that has conquered all of Act 6, explored the Abyss, and takes on the Grandmaster just for fun.

    Campaign progression titles help segment players so that we can appropriately target content and rewards to different levels of progression and roster maturity. With the switch to both a test of skill/progression and roster maturity, we’ll be able to do that for the top-tier players.
    except you’re not taking into account the middle ground between a endgame player with nearly everything done 100% or everything done and a brand new cav player... for example a player that’s exploring act 6 and did all variants 100% and lol... don’t you believe that’s an important progression point also? They should consider doing two new titles or just come out for one that’s for completing act 6 now and another later on for the absolute best of players
    Those are players all working with r5/r2 roster progression. After that is r3 progression which is what this next level is for. There just isn’t anything in between that.
    Ya mostly r5s like myself exactly but that’s the thing you can do all the content in the game with r5s and decent skill so I don’t understand what the point of that restriction is maybe like later on in the game in the middle of book 2 it’d b fair it’s like all the endgame players with everything done dont want to spread the wealth when every player that’s completed act 6 and forward could benefit a fair bit from the changes.
    Yeah and so would level 1 players but it’s used to tailor content towards players at a specific level, in the case of throne breaker that is used to tailor content for players with r3 champions.

    It was originally meant for mid book 2 but well something something they need it now and that has nothing to do with tailoring offers. Snoogans.
    Gotcha I don’t like it but I guess I can see where you’re coming from... but bruh wdym and level 1 players? no im saying like there may be a decent difference between players rosters between total endgame players that have everything done and middle or close to endgame that have everything accept 100% act 6 and abyss done which is the only way you get reliable big sources of t5cc... the skill difference between those two levels is basically nothing, it’s mainly just the money spent and/or time spent on the game that puts the endgame player ahead because act 6 and abyss 100% take a ton of time and some players may not have all the time in the world to work towards doing them often... so what I’m saying is they’re in similar need of those nice little benefits kabam is giving out for this title it’s basically just one has a r3 or one doesn’t... idk I just find it silly bc some ppl may even have the t5cc already and doesn’t wanna use it on a substandard or unawakened champ
    I don’t think they intended there to be anything between cavalier and the next tier but they need throne breaker for reasons now instead of mid book 2.

    But given that becoming throne breaker likely will not be much of a feat once book 2 is rolling out then it doesn’t make much sense to design everything involved in the progression title when people will not be spending much time at that level.
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 629 ★★★

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    I don't know this stuff seems important to me. And is also the reason to become cav.

    New Gold Crystal
    New Arena Crystal
    Additional items in the Black ISO Market
    New Monthly Calendar
    New Daily Objectives
    Exclusive offers, gifts, and rewards
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 629 ★★★

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    I don't know this stuff seems important to me. And is also the reason to become cav.

    New Gold Crystal
    New Arena Crystal
    Additional items in the Black ISO Market
    New Monthly Calendar
    New Daily Objectives
    Exclusive offers, gifts, and rewards
    1) those are not going to be immediately available.
    2) you buy gold crystals?
    3) I’ll eat my socks if they are objectively and immediately worth a full t5cc in trade. They’re just going to be more useful than their cavalier counterpart and aside from the offers have minimal value.

    This is what changes on the 1st.
    New Daily Crystal
    New 4 Hour Crystal
    Discounted Cavalier Crystals
    New Cavalier Shard Calendar replaces your GMC Shard Calendar
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face feel free just don’t say Kabam forced you to.
  • Bala_riyz01Bala_riyz01 Posts: 145
    so throne breaker (A) officially whale will be the correct one

    -i never see a initial run full t5cc for act 6
    -now only the game introducing the t5cc( less amount for sure )
    - even the omega boss rush i expected a t5cc at-least the amount giving in act 6 completion

    so what's in here for a F2p player here?
  • danielmathdanielmath Posts: 4,028 ★★★★★

    so throne breaker (A) officially whale will be the correct one

    -i never see a initial run full t5cc for act 6
    -now only the game introducing the t5cc( less amount for sure )
    - even the omega boss rush i expected a t5cc at-least the amount giving in act 6 completion

    so what's in here for a F2p player here?

    You excepted a full t5cc for the omega boss rush? It was content you could so with 4*....
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,097 ★★★★★

    so throne breaker (A) officially whale will be the correct one

    -i never see a initial run full t5cc for act 6
    -now only the game introducing the t5cc( less amount for sure )
    - even the omega boss rush i expected a t5cc at-least the amount giving in act 6 completion

    so what's in here for a F2p player here?

    There's Cavalier EQ as well as Legendary SQ, and other content which is beginning to offer more T5CCs. Also, no one said the first run of Act 6 should provide enough to get the Title. That defeats the purpose of having two requirements.
  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Posts: 5,017 ★★★★★

    so throne breaker (A) officially whale will be the correct one

    -i never see a initial run full t5cc for act 6
    -now only the game introducing the t5cc( less amount for sure )
    - even the omega boss rush i expected a t5cc at-least the amount giving in act 6 completion

    so what's in here for a F2p player here?

    I'm certainly not a whale and I'm still going to be getting the Thronebreaker title on October 1st. Granted, I am a moderate spender, but the Thronebreaker title is easily achievable with moderate skill and patience now that Act 6 was nerfed into the ground. Additionally, your first r3 doesn't matter too much unless you're a prestige hound, especially since Act 7 is easily doable with 4/55s and 5/65s five stars
  • It’s clear that a lot of people are upset. I’m torn or my reaction for this. I see it as being a major push to have something to strive for, to put effort towards and in that I think it’s great. I feel like a lot of the negative feedback is from those that just want something given to them, a product of the everyone gets a trophy generation. Don’t get me wrong I e been playing since the beginning so yeah when something is given back to the players I feel appreciated. My roster is not at all where I want it to be and yes rng is a pain but if you got everything you wanted as soon as it dropped it probably wouldn’t hold your interest. That’s why pay to win is an option, because if you have to spend money on it instead of work for it maybe the value of your expenditures will compel you to keep playing. When it comes down to it Kabam is a for profit organization that has to think long term and keep people coming back to drive those profits. It’s just business. Keep playing and advancing in content or arenas or pay for what you want. Cav crystals have 6*s there too for you to get. There are options for everyone. Pick your poison.
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 629 ★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    First what makes a system wrong, who decides when something is wrong or not? That would be Kabam.

    Secondly this has been beat with a dead horse, future progression will be roster based, not act clear based because of the change in the way they are doing progression. As has been stated repeatedly this title is targeted for people higher than the "oh I have a t5cc and no one to use it on" group. If you have one and can use it then you are lucky enough to get in early.

    I have not bought a t5CC and I have 2 fulls and 2 that are within 10% from being full. There are tons of ways to get T5CC now without spending, especially now that side events and the monthly has them.

    And here is the crutch of it, you determine if it is flawed or not based on if YOU can get it, that is entitlement, not a flaw in the system.
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 629 ★★★

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    I don't know this stuff seems important to me. And is also the reason to become cav.

    New Gold Crystal
    New Arena Crystal
    Additional items in the Black ISO Market
    New Monthly Calendar
    New Daily Objectives
    Exclusive offers, gifts, and rewards
    1) those are not going to be immediately available.
    2) you buy gold crystals?
    3) I’ll eat my socks if they are objectively and immediately worth a full t5cc in trade. They’re just going to be more useful than their cavalier counterpart and aside from the offers have minimal value.

    This is what changes on the 1st.
    New Daily Crystal
    New 4 Hour Crystal
    Discounted Cavalier Crystals
    New Cavalier Shard Calendar replaces your GMC Shard Calendar
    1. I realise that but those others are happening. This game is all about saving resources and proper planning. Tbf I'll probably be throne breaker by the time this hits anyway at current pace. But this flawed system will still be in place and this same nonsense will apply to the newer people as well.

    Just remove rng 100 act 6 or prestige or abyss run. All can be done and not rng dependent.

    2 occasionally yes as that is always my bottle neck

    3 more useful like contender to cav?
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,097 ★★★★★
    There's also the option of waiting. The game goes on without it.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
    Sweet so you agreed with me act 6 explore is bare minimum so make that the title threshold. And all are happy.
    Nope, for me it’s abyss 100% and act 6 100% (that’s what I did before my first r3) but Kabam are more forgiving so they’ve given people multiple avenues after they do a a single clear of act 6.
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 629 ★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
    Sweet so you agreed with me act 6 explore is bare minimum so make that the title threshold. And all are happy.
    Nope, for me it’s abyss 100% and act 6 100% (that’s what I did before my first r3) but Kabam are more forgiving so they’ve given people multiple avenues after they do a a single clear of act 6.
    Tbf I would even be happy with that. Seems steep for average Joe but it is something that has no rng whatsoever to it. And atm I left my allaince to a dead one for all my champs to be free to work on this.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
    Sweet so you agreed with me act 6 explore is bare minimum so make that the title threshold. And all are happy.
    Nope, for me it’s abyss 100% and act 6 100% (that’s what I did before my first r3) but Kabam are more forgiving so they’ve given people multiple avenues after they do a a single clear of act 6.
    Tbf I would even be happy with that. Seems steep for average Joe but it is something that has no rng whatsoever to it. And atm I left my allaince to a dead one for all my champs to be free to work on this.
    God speed and good luck pulling a tech for that red skull, he was my alliance leaders first r3 over 6 months ago.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
    Sweet so you agreed with me act 6 explore is bare minimum so make that the title threshold. And all are happy.
    Nope, for me it’s abyss 100% and act 6 100% (that’s what I did before my first r3) but Kabam are more forgiving so they’ve given people multiple avenues after they do a a single clear of act 6.
    I hear people saying 100% Abyss but it makes no sense. I consider Abyss an optional content in that you actually don't need to do it to progress in game. I myself have not touched LOL after completion and I don't know if I will touch AOL at all since I don't have the luxury to sit and play for 6 or 7 hrs straight. R3 and act 6 completion seems Ok to me.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
    Sweet so you agreed with me act 6 explore is bare minimum so make that the title threshold. And all are happy.
    Nope, for me it’s abyss 100% and act 6 100% (that’s what I did before my first r3) but Kabam are more forgiving so they’ve given people multiple avenues after they do a a single clear of act 6.
    I hear people saying 100% Abyss but it makes no sense. I consider Abyss an optional content in that you actually don't need to do it to progress in game. I myself have not touched LOL after completion and I don't know if I will touch AOL at all since I don't have the luxury to sit and play for 6 or 7 hrs straight. R3 and act 6 completion seems Ok to me.
    Yeah any abyss is a bit over the top due to the skill/roster/stash requirements but the title is for those who currently have done it while leaving players with options which increase over time.

    Thing is the requirement is not changing but Kabam needs a way to separate the players who are at that level from cavaliers. This allows them to keep content relevant for them while not hyper accelerating cavalier player with rewards meant for throne breakers. So we get the r3 portion.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Tbh kabam should have made it prestige gated. Odds are if your ready to r3 a 6 your probably 10k prestige. Make that the goal as it is achievable with 5 and 6 stars as is and doesn't force you to waste t5c. The hardest to acquire resource should not be thrown down the drain for a progression title.

    You want the top progression title in the game gated behind 10k prestige?! You're having an absolute laugh here man
    No I want the progression based title to be not rng dependent. Tbf the only difference between 1 r3 and 10k prestige is rng. What world does forcing a r3 pat equivalent to skill.
    They are giving a new tier to players who have hit the r3 level of progression in the game.

    The title is dependent on an r3 not rng. If you haven’t progressed far enough to have an r3 you can work towards it.

    No one is forcing r3s on anyone, you’ll get there in time prolly sooner than you think with book 2 on the horizon.

    Finally the r3 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with roster progression as stated by Kabam.
    I know 10k prestige is. Is also something to work for and takes time.

    They are forcing you to r3 a champ. How do you get the title? R3 a champ but rng gives you nothing but let's say skill t5c but you have no skill 6 or only kingpin. How do you get the title and how is that not rng dependent?

    The title will open better crystals and calendar probably buying offers so you need it similar to cav.
    The title is meant for people who have acquired multiple t5cc. While you can choose to use your first t5cc to obtain it that is not forced; and likely a poor choice because that next tier no matter what it offers is unlikely to replace that t5cc any time soon while the perks of the new tier are unlikely to have an impact on your account worthy of just using that first t5cc for the sake of it.

    Those better crystals and new calendar are not going to replace that t5cc so it’s likely a bad trade on top of not being very useful compared to cavalier.

    Finally say using that t5cc changes the game for you due to the new tier (yeah right) then you’re simply making a trade off which is still a choice and not an uncommon choice since players at the highest levels regularly make sacrificial rank ups.
    Oh and it targeting multiple than make it 5 r3 that's multiple
    It is possible that the one Rank 3 option was a compromise against one of the very problems people have been commenting on in the thread: namely the effects of random champion acquisition. A player at the point where they are working on solid teams of rank 3 champs is getting T5CC fast enough that they've overcome the randomness inherent in forming them. They will be forming multiples of those. But they are still subject to random 6* champion acquisition, and Kabam hasn't taken the same steps to mitigate that as they are starting to with 5* champs. So it is possible for two players to be doing identical things and gaining T5CC rank up resources at the same basic rate, but one of them to have more actual rank 3 rank ups as a result of random chance.

    Making the requirement one rank 3 champ is probably a compromise designed to catch as many players as possible capable of ranking multiple rank 3s. Most players capable of ranking up multiples will have probably ranked up at least one, or will in the near future.

    Which means if you barely have one T5CC and no champ of that class to rank up, you're probably lower than the target group for Thronebreaker. If you have multiple T5CC and still no appropriate champ to rank up, then you're just very unlucky, and in this game sometimes you just have to wait out very bad luck. But if you do have that many, and still earning more, the odds are pretty good that you'll get an appropriate rank up option sooner than later. It isn't perfect, but it is not an unreasonable compromise given those parameters.
    But this is where the system is wrong. Make it 100 act 6 explore as that's a full t5c or abyss run through. Both achievable, both progression based both no rng gate.

    Me not spending bar occasionally and the t5c selectiors are out of my range. I'm at 50% of 2 t5c but others are lower. Where do I get them. The 2 ways I said. Now factor in the rng of crystals 4 of the 6 classes I have an option and already r2 and resources to r3. I'm in the process of act 6 explore and have the depth and skill that the dreaded 6.2 gates are meh to me.

    In a couple weeks time (at current pace) I'll be done with explore. If I get tech or skill I still can't get throne breaker it is a flawed system.

    All I want is the rng element removed from the equation. If act 6 explore is too much then just a have a t5c to it to stop dud rank ups for it.
    There you have it flawed system because ccrider474 wasn’t able to put in the bare minimum to obtain it.

    Dude it’s not meant for players who are praying to rngjesus.
    So you're saying a progression title bare minimum is pay cash? What's the bare minimum? I did say tie it to abyss or act 6 explore that seems like not bare minimum at all. I quit for a year and came back took a pair of r4 5 400k account to over 1m account with 5 r2 6 (unfortunately skill and tech options allude me) and 12 r5 in under a year of returning. Yep bare minimum is definitely my standard.

    You can't pretty up a stupid decision that forces rng to be in your favour. Only way atm to not worry about rng is cash.
    No, Kabam is saying for this title (which is targeted at players who have currently done all content) you need to have an r3.

    You are saying if You cannot make use of the very first t5cc you obtain the system is flawed. That is the bare minimum, that is not a flaw in the system the option is a loophole.

    Act 6 explore is more or less the bare minimum in terms of time but as time goes on you can do even less.

    When you have put in the time and effort by exploring content there is no “rng gate”. It appears to you there is one because you want to get a title with the least amount of effort possible when it is designed for those who have currently put in the maximum amount of effort while allowing enough blessed individuals to sneak in and giving a mulligan to those who are cursed.

    And no Goldilocks is concerned with rng there are plenty of players who are not.
    Sweet so you agreed with me act 6 explore is bare minimum so make that the title threshold. And all are happy.
    Nope, for me it’s abyss 100% and act 6 100% (that’s what I did before my first r3) but Kabam are more forgiving so they’ve given people multiple avenues after they do a a single clear of act 6.
    I hear people saying 100% Abyss but it makes no sense. I consider Abyss an optional content in that you actually don't need to do it to progress in game. I myself have not touched LOL after completion and I don't know if I will touch AOL at all since I don't have the luxury to sit and play for 6 or 7 hrs straight. R3 and act 6 completion seems Ok to me.
    Yeah any abyss is a bit over the top due to the skill/roster/stash requirements but the title is for those who currently have done it while leaving players with options which increase over time.

    Thing is the requirement is not changing but Kabam needs a way to separate the players who are at that level from cavaliers. This allows them to keep content relevant for them while not hyper accelerating cavalier player with rewards meant for throne breakers. So we get the r3 portion.
    Abyss is just a unit fest, enough units and you can explore that. I don't consider that as a skill gate at all. I was always for making people 100% act 5 before entering act 6. Even this title should be made for 100% act 6 and an R3. I have only completed act 6, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But, Exploration of any content means time spent on the game which equates to developing skill and patience. Act 5 and Act 6 exploration especially tests your skill and roster well. Even though an R3 requirement does sting a little bit, they have no other option at this point.
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