Make the thronebreaker deals so good. get the youtubers to whale out on it and showcase to the cavs how good, getting what they want. and in turn think that will make the cavs spend even more to get thronebreaker title faster for the next round of deals?
Wow, so many people claiming their getting screwed by the deals. The only ones getting screwed here are the ones willing to hand all their money to kabam. Save your money for something worth it. (Former addict speaking)
Man, I just realized had I just bought the 2 offers they had for the t5cc selectors a few weeks ago, I'd be throne breaker...I remember thinking to myself that it was unfathomable that they wouldn't be in the cash offers on cyber weekend and if id hold off id get a way better deal...did not see this coming!
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
because they dont need to. whales already spent.
They can try to ignore it, but if they do it will only get worse before it gets any better.
Nah I'm actually done with this stupid game and the company that runs it. These cyber weekend deals put me on the edge of leaving the game or staying. But after reading the gifting event announcement it's clear to me all Kabam wants is your wallet. Kabam, you say selectors should be a rare item yet you give a FULL t5cc selector to the top 30 people who can throw the most money at you in the span of 2 weeks. You also throw in a 10% selector every other week. So much for a rare item.
Seeya later Kabam. Pulling stunts like this is losing you loyal players like myself. All I can say is thank you for freeing up some of my time
Man, I just realized had I just bought the 2 offers they had for the t5cc selectors a few weeks ago, I'd be throne breaker...I remember thinking to myself that it was unfathomable that they wouldn't be in the cash offers on cyber weekend and if id hold off id get a way better deal...did not see this coming!
Same, but I didn’t want to take the risk, so I bought those offers. Not trying to rub it in, just saying that probably nobody predicted THIS
So You all are telling me that Kabam thinks I'm at the same level of who actually has beaten Sentinel on first chapter, right? I got the wrong catalysts, RNG with fragments was so bad against me, so I cannot have a r3. I'm.Breaker of thrones, but I have Cavalier Title. Nice.
Im sure you have a 6* champ that you can take to r3, you just want the perfect champ to do it, sometimes you cant, I had to take Manthing to r3 because something told me that kabam was going to pull a fast one and I was right.
Boss: Hey Miike, we need you too jump on and deal with this thread.
Miike: Please no, I was following it all weekend. There's over 1000 comments and only Grounded Wisdom is backing us up, and no one even takes him seriously. Please let Boo handle it.
Boo: Oh nuh-uh, they still actually like me. No way, I'm going to go write up the intro for the christmas events, later-tater.
I'm a "low-tier" Cavalier player, with low spend level. The unpopular Cyber Weekend offers actually help me, and people in my demographic.
Most gains in this game (and life) are "relative": considered in relation to what other players gain. It's like one big race. You only need to outperform others to get better rewards. And it's only your results relative to others (including yourself in the past) that determine the quality of your rewards.
If you don't spend, then any cash offer the spenders don't buy helps you keep up with them. If you don't grind, they any unit offer the grinders don't buy helps you keep up with them. (unless it leads to issues that cause Kabam/others to reduce support for your gameplay: profit loss means cutting developer staff, community outcry means special rewards for other players not you, etc.)
I made Cav before July 4th, 2020. On July 4th, I got all the 5-Star Cav unit offers, and all the 3 lowest offers (which is much more than I normally spend). This gave me a stacked 5-Star Roster. Now all I need to do is get a R3 6-Star and finish Act 6. And I'm not that close. But with all the high-Cavalier players stuck at the R3 6-Star gate, I have the opening I need to catch up to them. And players behind me didn't have the same quality offers on Cyber Weekend that I got on July 4th, and I'm not stuck in progression, so they can't really catch up to me either.
The Cavalier drama issues are a "win" (in a PvP sense) for: 1) pay TB players (who can get ahead of all other players) 2) non-pay, non-grind Cav-and-below players (who can keep pace with pay and/or grind Cav-and-below players) 3) Cavalier players that (a) have stacked 5-Star rosters, but (b) aren't close to a R3 6-Star OR completing Act 6. (who can catchup to high-tier Cavalier players stuck at the R3 6-Star gate) (unless it leads Kabam/others to cut support for your gameplay)
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
Well, they already did. Miike said earlier that they are taking the feedback and learning from it for future deals. Beyond that, there really isn't anything left to say or do. They won't just change the deals now because that will cause a whole other sh*tstorm. If they change the deals, what about the people like myself who already bought them? Do we get new items as well and the people who buy the new deals only get the new stuff? Do the people who bought the deals already miss out on the new deals? Do they get to buy them again? There really isn't any good choice for Kabam, any way they do it, people will be mad. I for one would be pissed if the deals got changed now and I either didn't get the new stuff in my inbox or if they asked me to pay for the deals again since I bought the deals under the information that they would not change. If I would get sent the new stuff, people would be upset that I got to essentially double dip on some of the offers. The best thing to do is just leave it, unfortunately.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance has nothing to do with allowing F2P to catch up to, or go head-to-head with, spenders. There is no F2P vs. P2P. You just can't keep up with them. Nor is there a race to compete with the people already at Thronebreaker. Anyone who is well into the Title and never even batted an eyelash when it came out is not competing with people struggling to get their first R3. I think people are overestimating their position. Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
“Spending is only one aspect” Yea spending thousands on a mobile game isn’t unbalanced and profiting off addiction
Then the next breath he says “people will be spending 10 of thousands... they earned it”
This dude delusionalwisdom doesn’t make sense and argues just to argue He will use the most heavy mental gymnastics to try and justify a point when everything he says is false
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
“It’s the weekend” They’ve “warned me” twice for arguing with delusionalwisdom but they aren’t active on the forums beyond removing bloat comments
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance has nothing to do with allowing F2P to catch up to, or go head-to-head with, spenders. There is no F2P vs. P2P. You just can't keep up with them. Nor is there a race to compete with the people already at Thronebreaker. Anyone who is well into the Title and never even batted an eyelash when it came out is not competing with people struggling to get their first R3. I think people are overestimating their position. Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Bro you aren’t even making sense anymore Like what’s your point?
The whaliest of whales have unbelievably advanced accounts. You can absolutely spend your way to a sick account.
I don’t have any issue allowing people to spend thousands a sitting on the game. I actually enjoy when they put it on YouTube because it feeds my itch to open crystals
But the issue, the reason for this thread Is because they last minute changed the bar by making a r3 6* a requirement to have access to these disgustingly good unit offers That’s the issue - people are upset that because they either have bad rng or won’t buy the t5c offers they are prevented from accessing the offers
Their 30$ doesn’t go nearly as far from cav to tb
If the unit based deals were different that’s one thing. But the unit store (real money) deals are drastically different and it’s a wall you can’t get passed if you get bad rng Ie you get the wrong class from abyss to a class you don’t have options for And using very valuable resources to r3 a trash champ is a huge “f that”
HOWEVER you can Buy the t5c offers and bypass the need to play anything The issue is they implement a last minute change to then leverage said change to further create disparity between the top players and the ones just a step away. 30$ on the tb deals is arguably better than the cav Odin, and it’s real world money Not the f2p unit offers that you can save the in game currency up to purchase
But real money, sure they can do what they want but the players who keep their game running have a right to be upset and voice that here
Thats definitely a major point there, throne breaker just appeared so recently that not enough time has been given to give enough people meaningful access. Id be curious and I'm sure @DrZola probably has the answer to this but how much time was given to players to get cavalier before their first major offer?
Another interesting question would be, had act 7 not been pulled back, would the clearing of content to get throne breaker been easier/more realistic than obtaining this R3, given that the admins have already acknowledged that abyss (which I'm sure is 75% of the communities ability to get an R3) is intended for a roster comprising of R3s.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance has nothing to do with allowing F2P to catch up to, or go head-to-head with, spenders. There is no F2P vs. P2P. You just can't keep up with them. Nor is there a race to compete with the people already at Thronebreaker. Anyone who is well into the Title and never even batted an eyelash when it came out is not competing with people struggling to get their first R3. I think people are overestimating their position. Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Bro you aren’t even making sense anymore Like what’s your point?
The whaliest of whales have unbelievably advanced accounts. You can absolutely spend your way to a sick account.
I don’t have any issue allowing people to spend thousands a sitting on the game. I actually enjoy when they put it on YouTube because it feeds my itch to open crystals
But the issue, the reason for this thread Is because they last minute changed the bar by making a r3 6* a requirement to have access to these disgustingly good unit offers That’s the issue - people are upset that because they either have bad rng or won’t buy the t5c offers they are prevented from accessing the offers
Their 30$ doesn’t go nearly as far from cav to tb
If the unit based deals were different that’s one thing. But the unit store (real money) deals are drastically different and it’s a wall you can’t get passed if you get bad rng Ie you get the wrong class from abyss to a class you don’t have options for And using very valuable resources to r3 a trash champ is a huge “f that”
HOWEVER you can Buy the t5c offers and bypass the need to play anything The issue is they implement a last minute change to then leverage said change to further create disparity between the top players and the ones just a step away. 30$ on the tb deals is arguably better than the cav Odin, and it’s real world money Not the f2p unit offers that you can save the in game currency up to purchase
But real money, sure they can do what they want but the players who keep their game running have a right to be upset and voice that here
The top players will never compete with those that are close to TB.
What happens is those people get their first R3 and now they are in a 5x5 ally in war tearing up another ally that may not have those resources. It’s all about balance.
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
Well, they already did. Miike said earlier that they are taking the feedback and learning from it for future deals. Beyond that, there really isn't anything left to say or do. They won't just change the deals now because that will cause a whole other sh*tstorm. If they change the deals, what about the people like myself who already bought them? Do we get new items as well and the people who buy the new deals only get the new stuff? Do the people who bought the deals already miss out on the new deals? Do they get to buy them again? There really isn't any good choice for Kabam, any way they do it, people will be mad. I for one would be pissed if the deals got changed now and I either didn't get the new stuff in my inbox or if they asked me to pay for the deals again since I bought the deals under the information that they would not change. If I would get sent the new stuff, people would be upset that I got to essentially double dip on some of the offers. The best thing to do is just leave it, unfortunately.
I think Kabam can minimize the damage by selling some T5CC selectors in the unit store tomorrow (in separate packages). Cavaliers that are close to TB will become TB and receive the TB offers. It's a win-win situation. Kabam makes more money while players can buy something worth their money.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance has nothing to do with allowing F2P to catch up to, or go head-to-head with, spenders. There is no F2P vs. P2P. You just can't keep up with them. Nor is there a race to compete with the people already at Thronebreaker. Anyone who is well into the Title and never even batted an eyelash when it came out is not competing with people struggling to get their first R3. I think people are overestimating their position. Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Bro you aren’t even making sense anymore Like what’s your point?
The whaliest of whales have unbelievably advanced accounts. You can absolutely spend your way to a sick account.
I don’t have any issue allowing people to spend thousands a sitting on the game. I actually enjoy when they put it on YouTube because it feeds my itch to open crystals
But the issue, the reason for this thread Is because they last minute changed the bar by making a r3 6* a requirement to have access to these disgustingly good unit offers That’s the issue - people are upset that because they either have bad rng or won’t buy the t5c offers they are prevented from accessing the offers
Their 30$ doesn’t go nearly as far from cav to tb
If the unit based deals were different that’s one thing. But the unit store (real money) deals are drastically different and it’s a wall you can’t get passed if you get bad rng Ie you get the wrong class from abyss to a class you don’t have options for And using very valuable resources to r3 a trash champ is a huge “f that”
HOWEVER you can Buy the t5c offers and bypass the need to play anything The issue is they implement a last minute change to then leverage said change to further create disparity between the top players and the ones just a step away. 30$ on the tb deals is arguably better than the cav Odin, and it’s real world money Not the f2p unit offers that you can save the in game currency up to purchase
But real money, sure they can do what they want but the players who keep their game running have a right to be upset and voice that here
There was nothing last-minute about it. Thronebreaker has been a thing for months now. We all knew that Thronebreaker would get the most offered. As for "allowing" people to spend, what part of spending requires permission from us?
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance has nothing to do with allowing F2P to catch up to, or go head-to-head with, spenders. There is no F2P vs. P2P. You just can't keep up with them. Nor is there a race to compete with the people already at Thronebreaker. Anyone who is well into the Title and never even batted an eyelash when it came out is not competing with people struggling to get their first R3. I think people are overestimating their position. Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Bro you aren’t even making sense anymore Like what’s your point?
The whaliest of whales have unbelievably advanced accounts. You can absolutely spend your way to a sick account.
I don’t have any issue allowing people to spend thousands a sitting on the game. I actually enjoy when they put it on YouTube because it feeds my itch to open crystals
But the issue, the reason for this thread Is because they last minute changed the bar by making a r3 6* a requirement to have access to these disgustingly good unit offers That’s the issue - people are upset that because they either have bad rng or won’t buy the t5c offers they are prevented from accessing the offers
Their 30$ doesn’t go nearly as far from cav to tb
If the unit based deals were different that’s one thing. But the unit store (real money) deals are drastically different and it’s a wall you can’t get passed if you get bad rng Ie you get the wrong class from abyss to a class you don’t have options for And using very valuable resources to r3 a trash champ is a huge “f that”
HOWEVER you can Buy the t5c offers and bypass the need to play anything The issue is they implement a last minute change to then leverage said change to further create disparity between the top players and the ones just a step away. 30$ on the tb deals is arguably better than the cav Odin, and it’s real world money Not the f2p unit offers that you can save the in game currency up to purchase
But real money, sure they can do what they want but the players who keep their game running have a right to be upset and voice that here
The top players will never compete with those that are close to TB.
What happens is those people get their first R3 and now they are in a 5x5 ally in war tearing up another ally that may not have those resources. It’s all about balance.
How does an r3 equate to ruining other alliances in war? An r3 doesn’t immediately mean you’re gonna win Furthermore this forced equity is nonsense Give the offers to everyone and let the chips fall where they may - they should of let even brand new day 1 accounts purchase the tb offers imo
If someone wants to spend and excel let them But forcing balance has become extremely unbalanced - and has upset a huge portion of players because a last minute arbitrary change
Why has kabam not commented on all this? There is a large majority of cav / Ftp players that are rightfully upset with how things are going and so far it’s been nothing but silence...
Well, they already did. Miike said earlier that they are taking the feedback and learning from it for future deals. Beyond that, there really isn't anything left to say or do. They won't just change the deals now because that will cause a whole other sh*tstorm. If they change the deals, what about the people like myself who already bought them? Do we get new items as well and the people who buy the new deals only get the new stuff? Do the people who bought the deals already miss out on the new deals? Do they get to buy them again? There really isn't any good choice for Kabam, any way they do it, people will be mad. I for one would be pissed if the deals got changed now and I either didn't get the new stuff in my inbox or if they asked me to pay for the deals again since I bought the deals under the information that they would not change. If I would get sent the new stuff, people would be upset that I got to essentially double dip on some of the offers. The best thing to do is just leave it, unfortunately.
I think Kabam can minimize the damage by selling some T5CC selectors in the unit store tomorrow (in separate packages). Cavaliers that are close to TB will become TB and receive the TB offers. It's a win-win situation. Kabam makes more money while players can buy something worth their money.
A single t5c selector for 50$ would make them boatloads
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Gifting event says hi
People keep bringing up Gifting, but they don't stop to consider the numbers. How many people would have hit TB with CM versus how many people are going to actually benefit from Gifting? Think.
Did you even see the rewards for gifting event..just go look at the solo rank rewards.. Doesn't matter if I'm conqueror, UC, CV or TB.. If I spend money, I can get the best rewards in the game.. Even Hardest of the quests(Abyss 100%/Act6 100%) wont give me those rewards. Game balance and your statement "Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales" are just jokes..
Money >>>>>>>> Skill
120 people will get significant Rewards from Solo. 120, who will be spending tens of thousands of dollars to get it. The amount alone means they'll be earning it, but stop and think. 120 people, versus how many would have jumped to TB this weekend. I can assure you the number would have been much higher. There are always limitations to these things. Not even money can get past the game balance.
Sir, game balance is a joke. See my post for more clarity.
I've seen your Post. It lacks information.
Gifting. Event. Cyber. Weekend. If you've seen these rewards and think that game balance is still in tact, you are braindead or don't play the game. Don't even get me started on beginner progression neither my guy
I see. So you think because there are a limited amount available because of spending, game balance isn't a thing. You would be wrong. If game balance wasn't a thing, there would be no limitations on Resources. Everyone would be Thronebreaker, no one would have to wait for any Resource, no one would be able to play for free, and the Devs would work one day a week. Beginner progression is a) not the same as it used to be, and b) very different for someone learning to play the game and not starting an Alt. By all means, get started. Just have some substance to your conjecture.
Game balance is totally in tact when you can spend your way to the top They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6* That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance has nothing to do with allowing F2P to catch up to, or go head-to-head with, spenders. There is no F2P vs. P2P. You just can't keep up with them. Nor is there a race to compete with the people already at Thronebreaker. Anyone who is well into the Title and never even batted an eyelash when it came out is not competing with people struggling to get their first R3. I think people are overestimating their position. Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Bro you aren’t even making sense anymore Like what’s your point?
The whaliest of whales have unbelievably advanced accounts. You can absolutely spend your way to a sick account.
I don’t have any issue allowing people to spend thousands a sitting on the game. I actually enjoy when they put it on YouTube because it feeds my itch to open crystals
But the issue, the reason for this thread Is because they last minute changed the bar by making a r3 6* a requirement to have access to these disgustingly good unit offers That’s the issue - people are upset that because they either have bad rng or won’t buy the t5c offers they are prevented from accessing the offers
Their 30$ doesn’t go nearly as far from cav to tb
If the unit based deals were different that’s one thing. But the unit store (real money) deals are drastically different and it’s a wall you can’t get passed if you get bad rng Ie you get the wrong class from abyss to a class you don’t have options for And using very valuable resources to r3 a trash champ is a huge “f that”
HOWEVER you can Buy the t5c offers and bypass the need to play anything The issue is they implement a last minute change to then leverage said change to further create disparity between the top players and the ones just a step away. 30$ on the tb deals is arguably better than the cav Odin, and it’s real world money Not the f2p unit offers that you can save the in game currency up to purchase
But real money, sure they can do what they want but the players who keep their game running have a right to be upset and voice that here
The top players will never compete with those that are close to TB.
What happens is those people get their first R3 and now they are in a 5x5 ally in war tearing up another ally that may not have those resources. It’s all about balance.
How does an r3 equate to ruining other alliances in war? An r3 doesn’t immediately mean you’re gonna win Furthermore this forced equity is nonsense Give the offers to everyone and let the chips fall where they may - they should of let even brand new day 1 accounts purchase the tb offers imo
If someone wants to spend and excel let them But forcing balance has become extremely unbalanced - and has upset a huge portion of players because a last minute arbitrary change
Right. Just give everyone what they want. Balance is a myth. We all play in a bubble. It's not like progress affects game systems or anything. Who cares about what state the game will be in after that? Who cares about the work it takes after peppering things through the ranks? Just let people have whatever they want, and do the work to fix everything after. Petulant.
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Make the thronebreaker deals so good. get the youtubers to whale out on it and showcase to the cavs how good, getting what they want. and in turn think that will make the cavs spend even more to get thronebreaker title faster for the next round of deals?
Seeya later Kabam. Pulling stunts like this is losing you loyal players like myself. All I can say is thank you for freeing up some of my time
Boss: Hey Miike, we need you too jump on and deal with this thread.
Miike: Please no, I was following it all weekend. There's over 1000 comments and only Grounded Wisdom is backing us up, and no one even takes him seriously. Please let Boo handle it.
Boo: Oh nuh-uh, they still actually like me. No way, I'm going to go write up the intro for the christmas events, later-tater.
Miike: oh my *****
Most gains in this game (and life) are "relative": considered in relation to what other players gain. It's like one big race. You only need to outperform others to get better rewards. And it's only your results relative to others (including yourself in the past) that determine the quality of your rewards.
If you don't spend, then any cash offer the spenders don't buy helps you keep up with them. If you don't grind, they any unit offer the grinders don't buy helps you keep up with them. (unless it leads to issues that cause Kabam/others to reduce support for your gameplay: profit loss means cutting developer staff, community outcry means special rewards for other players not you, etc.)
I made Cav before July 4th, 2020. On July 4th, I got all the 5-Star Cav unit offers, and all the 3 lowest offers (which is much more than I normally spend). This gave me a stacked 5-Star Roster. Now all I need to do is get a R3 6-Star and finish Act 6. And I'm not that close. But with all the high-Cavalier players stuck at the R3 6-Star gate, I have the opening I need to catch up to them. And players behind me didn't have the same quality offers on Cyber Weekend that I got on July 4th, and I'm not stuck in progression, so they can't really catch up to me either.
The Cavalier drama issues are a "win" (in a PvP sense) for:
1) pay TB players (who can get ahead of all other players)
2) non-pay, non-grind Cav-and-below players (who can keep pace with pay and/or grind Cav-and-below players)
3) Cavalier players that (a) have stacked 5-Star rosters, but (b) aren't close to a R3 6-Star OR completing Act 6. (who can catchup to high-tier Cavalier players stuck at the R3 6-Star gate)
(unless it leads Kabam/others to cut support for your gameplay)
There really isn't any good choice for Kabam, any way they do it, people will be mad. I for one would be pissed if the deals got changed now and I either didn't get the new stuff in my inbox or if they asked me to pay for the deals again since I bought the deals under the information that they would not change. If I would get sent the new stuff, people would be upset that I got to essentially double dip on some of the offers.
The best thing to do is just leave it, unfortunately.
They gave t5c offers for purchase which bypasses the play wall
You can buy cavs after cavs and get champs, iso, gold, etc
You for the most part don’t have to play much if at all to get a bomb account
People are mad and you aren’t gonna change that bickering
They totally messed over a huge amount of players based on a ranked 3 6*
That’s the issue and you really should just drop it because you aren’t helping
Game balance changes as the situation changes. It's not even a specific number tally so much as it is keeping an overall pace for growth. Even the whaliest of whales can't change the fact that there are limits on how much you can buy. The idea that game balance is a myth is just petulant.
Yea spending thousands on a mobile game isn’t unbalanced and profiting off addiction
Then the next breath he says “people will be spending 10 of thousands... they earned it”
This dude delusionalwisdom doesn’t make sense and argues just to argue
He will use the most heavy mental gymnastics to try and justify a point when everything he says is false
They’ve “warned me” twice for arguing with delusionalwisdom but they aren’t active on the forums beyond removing bloat comments
Like what’s your point?
The whaliest of whales have unbelievably advanced accounts. You can absolutely spend your way to a sick account.
I don’t have any issue allowing people to spend thousands a sitting on the game. I actually enjoy when they put it on YouTube because it feeds my itch to open crystals
But the issue, the reason for this thread
Is because they last minute changed the bar by making a r3 6* a requirement to have access to these disgustingly good unit offers
That’s the issue - people are upset that because they either have bad rng or won’t buy the t5c offers they are prevented from accessing the offers
Their 30$ doesn’t go nearly as far from cav to tb
If the unit based deals were different that’s one thing. But the unit store (real money) deals are drastically different and it’s a wall you can’t get passed if you get bad rng
Ie you get the wrong class from abyss to a class you don’t have options for
And using very valuable resources to r3 a trash champ is a huge “f that”
HOWEVER you can Buy the t5c offers and bypass the need to play anything
The issue is they implement a last minute change to then leverage said change to further create disparity between the top players and the ones just a step away.
30$ on the tb deals is arguably better than the cav Odin, and it’s real world money
Not the f2p unit offers that you can save the in game currency up to purchase
But real money, sure they can do what they want but the players who keep their game running have a right to be upset and voice that here
Another interesting question would be, had act 7 not been pulled back, would the clearing of content to get throne breaker been easier/more realistic than obtaining this R3, given that the admins have already acknowledged that abyss (which I'm sure is 75% of the communities ability to get an R3) is intended for a roster comprising of R3s.
What happens is those people get their first R3 and now they are in a 5x5 ally in war tearing up another ally that may not have those resources. It’s all about balance.
I feel sorry for those who are almost Thronebreakers that got shafted though.
Furthermore this forced equity is nonsense
Give the offers to everyone and let the chips fall where they may - they should of let even brand new day 1 accounts purchase the tb offers imo
If someone wants to spend and excel let them
But forcing balance has become extremely unbalanced - and has upset a huge portion of players because a last minute arbitrary change
Petulant.