I think that people are overreacting, the rewards need a buff, that is universally agreed. But if these buffs do work well (I have Elsa for skill, Medusa for Cosmic and okayish counters for the rest) then I don’t mind no buff for now if it is significantly quicker to 100%, if not... then @Kabam Miike is gonna hear it from me first! If they wanna sort out the time investment first, then that’s fine by me... As long as 10% is swapped for selector (even a 7.5% or maybe 5% random, 5% selector I would be happy with). Anyways, I expect people who don’t read this are gonna dislike immediately, if you genuinely disagree, i encourage criticism of this approach and discussion.
I think the issue cavalier difficulty has is it isn't particularly clear who it is for. The endgame thronebreaker level players have the size and depth of roster to do 5 high level champs of each class in a team + boss counters ,which whilst not a requirement makes it substantially easier, are too high level to find the rewards exciting. The lower early cav end of players find the rewards exciting as their is a lot of t5b and t2a compared to uncollected to help to establish a strong 5/65 roster, however to get them they need roster depth for some of the niche stuff like global biohazard or diss track nodes. Cav difficulty was a request of the community for a while but because it was only released very close to thronebreaker title, the endgame level players had moved beyond what the early cavs needed and since we don't have thronebreaker monthly EQ they end up doing the highest difficulty available for sub-par (for their level) rewards. so unhappy endgamers, but to make sure that endgame players have something to do they they are continuing to tune the nodes to favour depth of roster over skill adding in mechanics like evade and healing as supposed to stuff that is skill based, to create end-game content which leaves the average player in need of te rewards struggling.
This is why I think cav should be tuned to be inclusive allowing cav players to build up rosters as they transition to endgame players in readiness for niche stuff in act 6 exploration and future variants, and then having thronebreaker difficulty on a monthly basis with higher level rewards and the similar niche nodes to fit the depth of roster endgame players have, as well as higher health and just difficult champions to provide a monthly endgame level challenge for the highest level rewards in game such a 25% T5cc selector for 100% or some such.
finally have this difficulty as breaker of thrones as in for act 6 completion but not r3 6* so that late cav players have better access to t5cc and could perhaps do initial completion of this endgame challenge with some item use to get a say 10% selector and help build them towards eventually becoming throne-breaker
I was praying each path node would of changed instead of a full quest node change as its main reason i dont 100% cav as dealing same node every month glad its getting a change of node so keeps entertaining but for me personally after a few months again that node be like what we have now we need change of nodes each month and each path
As someone who’s been Cavalier for a few months, I’ve only recently started exploring the first few quests of cavalier. In order to do this I tailored my resources for the nodes in place.
While I understand this game is ever-evolving, it is very disconcerting to now consider some of my recent rank ups worthless for this specific game mode. As a FTP player who runs map 2 just for the minimal glory, the Cavalier EQ is one of the best places for me to secure resources.
With such a dynamic shift in some of the node combinations and attack bonuses, I feel like my progress is going to really start to suffer unless I can luck out on pulling a handful of new champs. Even if/when I’m lucky enough to secure champions to assist with these nodes it’ll likely be time for new node updates.
I think something that should be considered more by kabam is being transparent at the right time if this announcment came at the beginning of the month I bet a lot of people would have made diferent rank up decisions, don't care that cavalier event ques is content "Designed for endgame players" (which it's not true, it's no called TB event quest after all) everyone that wants to take a shot at it should be able to do so, and in order to do that they will rank up champions, that decision should be well informed, and in order to be well informed well... you need information. So I at least appreciate that I know now how manye times a year will the nodes change.
my rank up decisions for the past month have all been based around making the cavalier eq easier with the nodes i've come to expect. i can't bring my 5r4 angela or 5r4 luke cage into act 6/7 and expect them to perform to the same level that champions with higher power levels can perform to. if you want to change the nodes, fine, but i would like to see more rewards or rank down tickets as i can't get those t1a back.
That’s on you. No one asked you to rank based on Cav EQ. And please don’t tell me you spent T2A instead of Rank Up gems on those rank ups.
T1A? They come in truckloads nowadays.
@xNig did you fell on your head as a kid or did someone hammered your pea sized brain?
Actually Kabaam is telling you to rank up specific champs if you want to complete the monthly quest. If you did not have the correct champs ranked up you would not be able to complete it. Which from what they are saying is the goal.
You think EQ is going to be the last place you see those nodes though? There are buffed up, disstrack, KT, biohazard, etc... paths in Act 6 as well. Did you maybe stop to think that they're encouraging rankups to deal with things you'll come across in story content as well?
I can't believe people are seriously complaining about expanding their roster options to cover more diverse situations. Maybe that's something some of you should have been doing already without someone having to hold your hand and point you in the right direction
my rank up decisions for the past month have all been based around making the cavalier eq easier with the nodes i've come to expect. i can't bring my 5r4 angela or 5r4 luke cage into act 6/7 and expect them to perform to the same level that champions with higher power levels can perform to. if you want to change the nodes, fine, but i would like to see more rewards or rank down tickets as i can't get those t1a back.
That’s on you. No one asked you to rank based on Cav EQ. And please don’t tell me you spent T2A instead of Rank Up gems on those rank ups.
T1A? They come in truckloads nowadays.
@xNig did you fell on your head as a kid or did someone hammered your pea sized brain?
Actually Kabaam is telling you to rank up specific champs if you want to complete the monthly quest. If you did not have the correct champs ranked up you would not be able to complete it. Which from what they are saying is the goal.
You think EQ is going to be the last place you see those nodes though? There are buffed up, disstrack, KT, biohazard, etc... paths in Act 6 as well.
Pretty sure they meant the champs that can get the furies from the node not any diss track/buffed up counter
my rank up decisions for the past month have all been based around making the cavalier eq easier with the nodes i've come to expect. i can't bring my 5r4 angela or 5r4 luke cage into act 6/7 and expect them to perform to the same level that champions with higher power levels can perform to. if you want to change the nodes, fine, but i would like to see more rewards or rank down tickets as i can't get those t1a back.
That’s on you. No one asked you to rank based on Cav EQ. And please don’t tell me you spent T2A instead of Rank Up gems on those rank ups.
T1A? They come in truckloads nowadays.
@xNig did you fell on your head as a kid or did someone hammered your pea sized brain?
Actually Kabaam is telling you to rank up specific champs if you want to complete the monthly quest. If you did not have the correct champs ranked up you would not be able to complete it. Which from what they are saying is the goal.
You think EQ is going to be the last place you see those nodes though? There are buffed up, disstrack, KT, biohazard, etc... paths in Act 6 as well.
Pretty sure they meant the champs that can get the furies from the node not any diss track/buffed up counter
Those are champs that naturally counter whatever the restriction node is though... That's kind of the point
my rank up decisions for the past month have all been based around making the cavalier eq easier with the nodes i've come to expect. i can't bring my 5r4 angela or 5r4 luke cage into act 6/7 and expect them to perform to the same level that champions with higher power levels can perform to. if you want to change the nodes, fine, but i would like to see more rewards or rank down tickets as i can't get those t1a back.
That’s on you. No one asked you to rank based on Cav EQ. And please don’t tell me you spent T2A instead of Rank Up gems on those rank ups.
T1A? They come in truckloads nowadays.
@xNig did you fell on your head as a kid or did someone hammered your pea sized brain?
Actually Kabaam is telling you to rank up specific champs if you want to complete the monthly quest. If you did not have the correct champs ranked up you would not be able to complete it. Which from what they are saying is the goal.
You think EQ is going to be the last place you see those nodes though? There are buffed up, disstrack, KT, biohazard, etc... paths in Act 6 as well.
Pretty sure they meant the champs that can get the furies from the node not any diss track/buffed up counter
Majority of those champs are more than viable for act 6/7 though
my rank up decisions for the past month have all been based around making the cavalier eq easier with the nodes i've come to expect. i can't bring my 5r4 angela or 5r4 luke cage into act 6/7 and expect them to perform to the same level that champions with higher power levels can perform to. if you want to change the nodes, fine, but i would like to see more rewards or rank down tickets as i can't get those t1a back.
That’s on you. No one asked you to rank based on Cav EQ. And please don’t tell me you spent T2A instead of Rank Up gems on those rank ups.
T1A? They come in truckloads nowadays.
@xNig did you fell on your head as a kid or did someone hammered your pea sized brain?
Actually Kabaam is telling you to rank up specific champs if you want to complete the monthly quest. If you did not have the correct champs ranked up you would not be able to complete it. Which from what they are saying is the goal.
You think EQ is going to be the last place you see those nodes though? There are buffed up, disstrack, KT, biohazard, etc... paths in Act 6 as well.
Pretty sure they meant the champs that can get the furies from the node not any diss track/buffed up counter
To be fair, some champs are really good and worthy to rank up for cav eq or even outside that quest, so that not too specific rank up, you only need 2 or 3 rank up or even 1 is enough to deal with cav eq.
Hey everybody, thank you all for the feedback. Please keep it coming, as it will help us improve Cavalier Difficulty as we move forward.
One thing I want to point out: With the addition of the new Buffs, we are not doing away with the older ones. Our goal is to create a pool of buffs to pick and choose from for Cavalier Difficulty, but still not as wide as what you might remember from Uncollected difficulty.
Your Champions you've ranked up are still going to help you in these Quests, but maybe not the same Champions every month.
Hey everybody, thank you all for the feedback. Please keep it coming, as it will help us improve Cavalier Difficulty as we move forward.
One thing I want to point out: With the addition of the new Buffs, we are not doing away with the older ones. Our goal is to create a pool of buffs to pick and choose from for Cavalier Difficulty, but still not as wide as what you might remember from Uncollected difficulty.
Your Champions you've ranked up are still going to help you in these Quests, but maybe not the same Champions every month.
I hope this clears that up a little bit.
Why does the community have to wait and beg for reward improvements? Regardless if they/we are right or overreacting. We always have to wait till the reward structures are extremely outdated before we see improvements. Going forward can we get a better response or in-depth diary on reward structures?
So many areas need improvements, and waiting 2+ years for improvements on monthly event quests is a bit ridiculous.
@workinprogress Forgive me for the inability to quote your post. It seems with age apparently my lack of technical understanding is getting worse. However with age does come perspective. Thank you for taking the time to reply and thank you for quoting my post as it seems to have been deleted as have my other posts on this topic. (My argument must be too close to the truth I believe) Let’s take the biohazard node for example as this is very prevalent and I believe is seen as early as act 5 with the poison and bleed nodes. Previously I was able to rank up any champ I wanted to that I thought was best suited to deal with this node. Personally for me it was nebula then later on I ranked up warlock. With the cavalier monthly quest if I wanted to complete it I was forced to rank up a mutant champ to deal with the node and it wasn’t just for a single lane but for each and every path. Now the mutant I ranked up and don’t care for playing will sit on my bench as a constant reminder of wasted materials. An example I will give you on my account is I ranked up a 6 and 5 star version of guilly2099 to do the tech quest...I hate guilly 2099 and have 0 intention of playing her. There are other champs that I ranked up because of the class restrictions on the particular node and I am not asking for any type of rank downs like other people are I just think it’s **** that every few months we will be forced to rank up toons we don’t want to play. Thanks again and I look forward to your reply.
@workinprogress Forgive me for the inability to quote your post. It seems with age apparently my lack of technical understanding is getting worse. However with age does come perspective. Thank you for taking the time to reply and thank you for quoting my post as it seems to have been deleted as have my other posts on this topic. (My argument must be too close to the truth I believe) Let’s take the biohazard node for example as this is very prevalent and I believe is seen as early as act 5 with the poison and bleed nodes. Previously I was able to rank up any champ I wanted to that I thought was best suited to deal with this node. Personally for me it was nebula then later on I ranked up warlock. With the cavalier monthly quest if I wanted to complete it I was forced to rank up a mutant champ to deal with the node and it wasn’t just for a single lane but for each and every path. Now the mutant I ranked up and don’t care for playing will sit on my bench as a constant reminder of wasted materials. An example I will give you on my account is I ranked up a 6 and 5 star version of guilly2099 to do the tech quest...I hate guilly 2099 and have 0 intention of playing her. There are other champs that I ranked up because of the class restrictions on the particular node and I am not asking for any type of rank downs like other people are I just think it’s **** that every few months we will be forced to rank up toons we don’t want to play. Thanks again and I look forward to your reply.
What are you on about? Any bleed immune champ can do the biohazard lane in EQ. Mutants were never required. I sometimes used Ghost.
I know that you can bring in any champion that you want. However, to take advantage of the node it is required to bring in a mutant. If not then the time and effort to 100% this would not be with it. At least to me. Thank you
I know that you can bring in any champion that you want. However, to take advantage of the node it is required to bring in a mutant. If not then the time and effort to 100% this would not be with it. At least to me. Thank you
I mean, literally any mutant works for that though, so if you ranked up a subpar mutant then that’s a you problem when there’s so many excellent choices.
Hey everybody, thank you all for the feedback. Please keep it coming, as it will help us improve Cavalier Difficulty as we move forward.
One thing I want to point out: With the addition of the new Buffs, we are not doing away with the older ones. Our goal is to create a pool of buffs to pick and choose from for Cavalier Difficulty, but still not as wide as what you might remember from Uncollected difficulty.
Your Champions you've ranked up are still going to help you in these Quests, but maybe not the same Champions every month.
I hope this clears that up a little bit.
OK cool. Is there any chance that these buffs will be on different paths on the same month? I'd much rather see variance within the same month rather than from month to month. Maybe that's just me though, idk.
I know that you can bring in any champion that you want. However, to take advantage of the node it is required to bring in a mutant. If not then the time and effort to 100% this would not be with it. At least to me. Thank you
But it's not required to "take advantage" of the node. If you don't want to rank up a champion, then you don't need that champion to complete the quests.
@Mr_Platypus I was referring to that as my example only. I’m sure there are others out there and when I find some more time today if you’d like I will share each one of mine with you.
(My argument must be too close to the truth I believe)
Let’s take the biohazard node for example as this is very prevalent and I believe is seen as early as act 5 with the poison and bleed nodes. Previously I was able to rank up any champ I wanted to that I thought was best suited to deal with this node. Personally for me it was nebula then later on I ranked up warlock. With the cavalier monthly quest if I wanted to complete it I was forced to rank up a mutant champ to deal with the node and it wasn’t just for a single lane but for each and every path. Now the mutant I ranked up and don’t care for playing will sit on my bench as a constant reminder of wasted materials. An example I will give you on my account is I ranked up a 6 and 5 star version of guilly2099 to do the tech quest...I hate guilly 2099 and have 0 intention of playing her. There are other champs that I ranked up because of the class restrictions on the particular node and I am not asking for any type of rank downs like other people are I just think it’s **** that every few months we will be forced to rank up toons we don’t want to play. Thanks again and I look forward to your reply.
"My argument must be too close to the truth I believe" First of all, LMAOOOO.
Second, you don't need to rank up specific champions to be able to complete the quests. You didn't need to rank up G2099 for the Tech chapter. You could've brought in any other champion, yet you chose to rank up G2099.
Every decision has a pro and a con. You have to figure out if the benefits outweigh the costs of a rank up for yourself. Sure, it will take longer to complete without a Tech character, but that's your choice to make. No one is forcing you to rank up anyone. The nodes don't punish the player for bringing in a non-Tech champion.
Could you imagine the amount of time and effort those quests would of taken without the “correct” champion? I have to believe that’s why most people are not doing it is the effort isn’t worth the reward and forgive me if I’m wrong but kabaam is actually wanting people to complete this quest I thought. I guess bottom line if you don’t have the champion don’t do it that’s where I’m at now.
@ I was referring to that as my example only. I’m sure there are others out there and when I find some more time today if you’d like I will share each one of mine with you.
You can if you like, Ill probably just say the same thing though as there’s nothing wrong with building up a strong diverse roster.
Could you imagine the amount of time and effort those quests would of taken without the “correct” champion? I have to believe that’s why most people are not doing it is the effort isn’t worth the reward and forgive me if I’m wrong but kabaam is actually wanting people to complete this quest I thought. I guess bottom line if you don’t have the champion don’t do it that’s where I’m at now.
Tbf I do the entire mutant chapter without taking advantage of the node because mags, apoc, AA and OR don’t really take advantage for various reasons.
my rank up decisions for the past month have all been based around making the cavalier eq easier with the nodes i've come to expect. i can't bring my 5r4 angela or 5r4 luke cage into act 6/7 and expect them to perform to the same level that champions with higher power levels can perform to. if you want to change the nodes, fine, but i would like to see more rewards or rank down tickets as i can't get those t1a back.
That’s on you. No one asked you to rank based on Cav EQ. And please don’t tell me you spent T2A instead of Rank Up gems on those rank ups.
T1A? They come in truckloads nowadays.
@xNig did you fell on your head as a kid or did someone hammered your pea sized brain?
Actually Kabaam is telling you to rank up specific champs if you want to complete the monthly quest. If you did not have the correct champs ranked up you would not be able to complete it. Which from what they are saying is the goal.
You think EQ is going to be the last place you see those nodes though? There are buffed up, disstrack, KT, biohazard, etc... paths in Act 6 as well. Did you maybe stop to think that they're encouraging rankups to deal with things you'll come across in story content as well?
I can't believe people are seriously complaining about expanding their roster options to cover more diverse situations. Maybe that's something some of you should have been doing already without someone having to hold your hand and point you in the right direction
Lots of counters for the new nodes even within the class as well. If someone doesn’t even have 1 ranked up, their rosters might be too shallow and they can’t play without their god tiers. 🤷🏻♂️
Why 50% chance to evade It's mix masher korg and doom all over again
The idea here is to encourage Evade encounters, and combined with the Skillful Distraction buff, this gives more Skill Champions access to the kit necessary to prevent Evasion.
This is a horrible idea, lets talk about the number of skill champs that can cause Disorient, Incinerate or Shock effect. - Disorient (Fury[SP1], Night Thrasher[Synergy], Ronin [SP1]) - Incinerate (Agent Venom [SP2], Cross Bones[SP2], Gwenpool [SP1], Winter Soldier [SP1/SP2] - Shock (Black Widow DO [Basic], Night Thrasher[SP1], Thor Rag [SP3]
Okay based on that only 8 out of 32 skill champs are useful for this buff and only one of the champs can inflict the debuff without having to rely on a special attack
That's not Counting Champions that suppress Evade with their natural Kits. True Accuracy/Strike, and Ability Accuracy reduction. Those aren't limited to the Skill class either. Remember that you do not have to use the Class that gets the bonus from the buffs, but you get a nice bonus for doing so.
This is terrible logic. I absolutely loved CAVALIER diff. I even loved ranking obscure champs to counter nodes. But now your changing the game again with out a good reason. Now I am looking at ranking other champs which is fine but you need to make 5 star champ rank ups from 1-4 way more available. T2 is scarce iso is scarce. Your heading down a bad path again. Nowww with a significant rewards buff I any many other would shut up about it. Because the ends would justify the means
It isn't. There's probably about 5000 players (out of maybe a million or so) that comprise the forum community at large. There's a couple dozen complaining about Cavalier rewards and also claiming to represent the masses. An insignificant fraction of a tiny slice of the playerbase. Most of the player community isn't here expressing outrage, possibly because they are too busy playing the game for that. More than half my alliance is barely aware that forums exist at all.
Keep in mind people have been continuously talking about the game being in a death spiral of getting worse and losing players and revenue since 12.0 (and before). I don't have exact figures of the size of the playerbase, but it doesn't seem all that smaller, and I do have pretty accurate figures of the size of the game's revenue and the general trend there has been upward.
To be fair, though, pretty much game communities always look like they are in constant outrage mode, not just this one. It is the common denominator of every online game community I've ever been a part of, or even heard of. The people happy with the game tend to focus on playing the game. The people unhappy with the game tend to be the ones that talk about the game. So the online communities tend to be disproportionately skewed towards malcontents.
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This is why I think cav should be tuned to be inclusive allowing cav players to build up rosters as they transition to endgame players in readiness for niche stuff in act 6 exploration and future variants, and then having thronebreaker difficulty on a monthly basis with higher level rewards and the similar niche nodes to fit the depth of roster endgame players have, as well as higher health and just difficult champions to provide a monthly endgame level challenge for the highest level rewards in game such a 25% T5cc selector for 100% or some such.
finally have this difficulty as breaker of thrones as in for act 6 completion but not r3 6* so that late cav players have better access to t5cc and could perhaps do initial completion of this endgame challenge with some item use to get a say 10% selector and help build them towards eventually becoming throne-breaker
While I understand this game is ever-evolving, it is very disconcerting to now consider some of my recent rank ups worthless for this specific game mode. As a FTP player who runs map 2 just for the minimal glory, the Cavalier EQ is one of the best places for me to secure resources.
With such a dynamic shift in some of the node combinations and attack bonuses, I feel like my progress is going to really start to suffer unless I can luck out on pulling a handful of new champs. Even if/when I’m lucky enough to secure champions to assist with these nodes it’ll likely be time for new node updates.
I can't believe people are seriously complaining about expanding their roster options to cover more diverse situations. Maybe that's something some of you should have been doing already without someone having to hold your hand and point you in the right direction
Pretty sure they meant the champs that can get the furies from the node not any diss track/buffed up counter
One thing I want to point out: With the addition of the new Buffs, we are not doing away with the older ones. Our goal is to create a pool of buffs to pick and choose from for Cavalier Difficulty, but still not as wide as what you might remember from Uncollected difficulty.
Your Champions you've ranked up are still going to help you in these Quests, but maybe not the same Champions every month.
I hope this clears that up a little bit.
So many areas need improvements, and waiting 2+ years for improvements on monthly event quests is a bit ridiculous.
Forgive me for the inability to quote your post. It seems with age apparently my lack of technical understanding is getting worse. However with age does come perspective. Thank you for taking the time to reply and thank you for quoting my post as it seems to have been deleted as have my other posts on this topic. (My argument must be too close to the truth I believe)
Let’s take the biohazard node for example as this is very prevalent and I believe is seen as early as act 5 with the poison and bleed nodes. Previously I was able to rank up any champ I wanted to that I thought was best suited to deal with this node. Personally for me it was nebula then later on I ranked up warlock. With the cavalier monthly quest if I wanted to complete it I was forced to rank up a mutant champ to deal with the node and it wasn’t just for a single lane but for each and every path. Now the mutant I ranked up and don’t care for playing will sit on my bench as a constant reminder of wasted materials. An example I will give you on my account is I ranked up a 6 and 5 star version of guilly2099 to do the tech quest...I hate guilly 2099 and have 0 intention of playing her. There are other champs that I ranked up because of the class restrictions on the particular node and I am not asking for any type of rank downs like other people are I just think it’s **** that every few months we will be forced to rank up toons we don’t want to play. Thanks again and I look forward to your reply.
I know that you can bring in any champion that you want. However, to take advantage of the node it is required to bring in a mutant. If not then the time and effort to 100% this would not be with it. At least to me. Thank you
I was referring to that as my example only. I’m sure there are others out there and when I find some more time today if you’d like I will share each one of mine with you.
First of all, LMAOOOO.
Second, you don't need to rank up specific champions to be able to complete the quests. You didn't need to rank up G2099 for the Tech chapter. You could've brought in any other champion, yet you chose to rank up G2099.
Every decision has a pro and a con. You have to figure out if the benefits outweigh the costs of a rank up for yourself. Sure, it will take longer to complete without a Tech character, but that's your choice to make. No one is forcing you to rank up anyone. The nodes don't punish the player for bringing in a non-Tech champion.
Keep in mind people have been continuously talking about the game being in a death spiral of getting worse and losing players and revenue since 12.0 (and before). I don't have exact figures of the size of the playerbase, but it doesn't seem all that smaller, and I do have pretty accurate figures of the size of the game's revenue and the general trend there has been upward.
To be fair, though, pretty much game communities always look like they are in constant outrage mode, not just this one. It is the common denominator of every online game community I've ever been a part of, or even heard of. The people happy with the game tend to focus on playing the game. The people unhappy with the game tend to be the ones that talk about the game. So the online communities tend to be disproportionately skewed towards malcontents.