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  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 5,052 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 1,698 ★★★★
    ADDIS0N said:

    When the roadmap was released, I was most excited about the ambitious "buff schedule." I think many of us were. My initial thoughts were, "Justice for OG Cap! Justice for Black Panther! Justice for Iron Man! Justice for Hulk!" There are so many classic and beloved base champs with no redeeming qualities that are ripe for rebuilds.

    What I didn't know at the time was that in some cases mid-tier champions that I love, use frequently and invested in - champions who maybe needed some minor tweaks here and there like a simple bump in attack boost to be competitive in their class - would be completely overhauled and turned into completely different champs.

    Some champs need major overhauls and deserve it. Magneto is one and that turned out fantastic. He's a better champ in literally every possible way. He was considered garbage and nobody used him. Almost every other mutant in his class was better.

    There are myriad others who fall into this category. Old, forgotten champions like the aforementioned OG Cap is an abysmal champion. He has no memorable abilities that anyone cares about, so you literally have a clean slate to start with and a ton of opportunity to make him the Captain America that everyone knows and loves. He's a PERFECT candidate for an overhaul.

    So, with all of these rebuild-ready champs currently available, why take developer time to completely redesign a champ like The Hood, who already had a fantastic overall design and utility kit, and turn him into a champion that is, for all intents and purposes, something that is completely and totally different?

    I'm not saying he's terrible. His new design has quite a few positives and this is especially true if he's not currently bugged. Hell, if he was released this month, I'd actually probably like him a lot. But this isn't the case. He is a pre-existing champ who was secretly changed into something brand new. HE IS NOT THE SAME CHAMP ANYMORE.

    I'm just really confused by this philosophy and this direction, and, as a long-time fan of this game, it gives me cause for great concern.

    Who's next on this list?

    Who should I wait to rank up because they might suddenly be a completely different champ next month?

    It's not like rank-up resources are just growing on trees, so I think it's important that we have a real, honest conversation about this and try to figure out how this type of scenario can be avoided in the future - because, and I have to be honest here - I don't want to play a game that operates this way.

    I'm not sure if anyone does.

    He is not the same champ, that is the entire point of a rebalance. What I just don’t understand is how you think a minor tweak would have helped hood? You could give him 50% attack all around and he still would have been a champ that can’t trigger a single rage node.

    He needed a new damage mechanic. Simply ramping up nothing just would not work. Bleed ? Shock? That’s about all he has. You could see people doing videos with him and he was still not able to do anything.

    It’s just weird how all of a sudden, his fate seal was a game changer for so many people. They say it was so I can only assume that, but I’m curious about what the data says.

    Essentially what you are saying is for the future
    Re - works just buff their damage. That just won’t work.

    Iron man - Buff his regen; Buff his Armor ups , and buff his armor breaks, and we have a new champion. With minor tweaks.

    Every champ going forward people will complain. I’m actually waiting for red skull to get buffed to see who used red skull to power drain.
  • SonicEmpireSonicEmpire Posts: 83
    IMO when they took away his regen frequency he went from amazing back to meh. Was gonna take my 6* to R3 but now he’ll stay at R1.
  • JragonMaster170JragonMaster170 Posts: 1,490 ★★★★
    Agree
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 1,698 ★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
  • AleorAleor Posts: 2,563 ★★★★
    With ongoing discussion about hood I came up with some version of his buff that I would be happy with. The poll is to see what people think about it.
    (Hood 1 - before changes, hood 2 - kabam changes with fixed regen and heavy, hood 3 - my suggestions with some balanced numbers, so he can't go op).



    Abilities description:


    Mediums - non-contact hits

    Leave his sp2 as it was.

    Invis - 90% for projectiles, for other hits - 100% for the first hit, every next hit two times lower (100-50-25-12.5-...). Instead of holding block dash back twice to activate invis (like no retreat node; this would make it harder to time invis right, but would allow avoid holding block, wich is a always a bad thing). Dash back invis has it's own cooldown timer (reasonably long one), wich doesn't interact with sp2 invis timer.

    Regen - make it trigger on stagger refresh, but make it 10 times less potent. With no holding block you could've probably just remove that regen at all, or leave it to just to compensate for suicide users, like namor atm

    Sp1 - every lightning hit has a chance to place passive shock charg, while he has a persistent charge. You can get a persistent charge with every miss of non projectile hit and x1% with every missed projectile hit. Shock charges on enemy decay with time, the more charges, the faster they expire. Every expired charges deals x2 damage

    Heavy attack - pause all shock charges decay, refresh stagger.

    Sp3 - consume all charges, deal m1 * x2 damage, gain charged buff/passive for t1 seconds; while active, every contact hit places a shock on enemy, dealing m2 * x2 damage over t2 seconds

    Sig ability:
    while invisible, stun immune, power steal with bullets hits.
    at the start of the fight gain some amount of persistent charges based on sig level



    Basically it's a mixture of both hoods we had with some extra use for his sp1 and sp3 (inspired by killmonger). I actually used hood for some of 6.3 exploration, did path where you have to apply shock to your opponent, and hood was my best option. Without heavy refreshing shock he could still be valuable there as well.
  • AleorAleor Posts: 2,563 ★★★★
    Aleor said:

    With ongoing discussion about hood I came up with some version of his buff that I would be happy with. The poll is to see what people think about it.
    (Hood 1 - before changes, hood 2 - kabam changes with fixed regen and heavy, hood 3 - my suggestions with some balanced numbers, so he can't go op).



    Abilities description:


    Mediums - non-contact hits

    Leave his sp2 as it was.

    Invis - 90% for projectiles, for other hits - 100% for the first hit, every next hit two times lower (100-50-25-12.5-...). Instead of holding block dash back twice to activate invis (like no retreat node; this would make it harder to time invis right, but would allow avoid holding block, wich is a always a bad thing). Dash back invis has it's own cooldown timer (reasonably long one), wich doesn't interact with sp2 invis timer.

    Regen - make it trigger on stagger refresh, but make it 10 times less potent. With no holding block you could've probably just remove that regen at all, or leave it to just to compensate for suicide users, like namor atm

    Sp1 - every lightning hit has a chance to place passive shock charg, while he has a persistent charge. You can get a persistent charge with every miss of non projectile hit and x1% with every missed projectile hit. Shock charges on enemy decay with time, the more charges, the faster they expire. Every expired charges deals x2 damage

    Heavy attack - pause all shock charges decay, refresh stagger.

    Sp3 - consume all charges, deal m1 * x2 damage, gain charged buff/passive for t1 seconds; while active, every contact hit places a shock on enemy, dealing m2 * x2 damage over t2 seconds

    Sig ability:
    while invisible, stun immune, power steal with bullets hits.
    at the start of the fight gain some amount of persistent charges based on sig level



    Basically it's a mixture of both hoods we had with some extra use for his sp1 and sp3 (inspired by killmonger). I actually used hood for some of 6.3 exploration, did path where you have to apply shock to your opponent, and hood was my best option. Without heavy refreshing shock he could still be valuable there as well.

    The poll link is https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/253269/the-hood-the-bad-the-ugly-the-worst
    Hope kabam will kindly consider remaking hood
  • AleorAleor Posts: 2,563 ★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    I used him for Feb cav eq
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 1,698 ★★★★
    zeezee57 said:

    H

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    I think the better question is when have you actually read a response in this thread? I've kept up with this all somewhat and your ability to ignore every point everyone has made and just keep going with the same responses is astounding.
    If you have been following anything you would see that I have agreed with several peoples post. He wanted to talk about Elsa Bloodstone ? That’s fine , I have no problem. But when we start discussing what it would be like it goes no where .

    I have agreed rank down tickets are necessary.

    I have agreed that the fate seal is not necessarily game breaking in his current kit.

    I have agreed that it is unfortunate some people
    Got the short end of the stick.

    I even agreed they could add it back on the SP3

    I cannot agree that everyone was affected the same way, he is a better champ overall. It doesn’t make sense to have any champ in a 200k-300k fight for 8-9 mins. I watched plenty of videos of him pre buff and did testing on my own. There is not many fights in the game where he was a better champ. Maybe resistor node , maybe 7.1 , maybe a Medusa fight.

    People were citing the champion fight and people were citing Annhilus and he handles both of those fights beautifully. In fact , after watching multiple
    Videos of the champion take down, there was ever hardly a time the fate seal saved you from The champion unstoppable, it was the stagger.

  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 5,052 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    Messing around in act 7 a week or two ago. Not that ive used many champs other than my AW ones in the past few weeks.
  • ADDIS0NADDIS0N Posts: 900 ★★★★
    Take the old hood, give him a 15-20% base attack rating.

    As a bonus, allow him to stack up to 2 staggers.

    Done.
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 628 ★★★
    Oops, meant to go with OPs version. Yeah, yours sounds more realistic.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 5,052 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    zeezee57 said:

    H

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    I think the better question is when have you actually read a response in this thread? I've kept up with this all somewhat and your ability to ignore every point everyone has made and just keep going with the same responses is astounding.
    If you have been following anything you would see that I have agreed with several peoples post. He wanted to talk about Elsa Bloodstone ? That’s fine , I have no problem. But when we start discussing what it would be like it goes no where .

    I have agreed rank down tickets are necessary.

    I have agreed that the fate seal is not necessarily game breaking in his current kit.

    I have agreed that it is unfortunate some people
    Got the short end of the stick.

    I even agreed they could add it back on the SP3

    I cannot agree that everyone was affected the same way, he is a better champ overall. It doesn’t make sense to have any champ in a 200k-300k fight for 8-9 mins. I watched plenty of videos of him pre buff and did testing on my own. There is not many fights in the game where he was a better champ. Maybe resistor node , maybe 7.1 , maybe a Medusa fight.

    People were citing the champion fight and people were citing Annhilus and he handles both of those fights beautifully. In fact , after watching multiple
    Videos of the champion take down, there was ever hardly a time the fate seal saved you from The champion unstoppable, it was the stagger.

    I mentioned Elsa because I know she is one of your favorite champs and you said “im ready man” to someone else saying next kabam is coming for your favorite champs. And i did that to prove a point how “ready” you were, which was obviously not very ready considering how unbelievably defensive you got.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 1,698 ★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    Messing around in act 7 a week or two ago. Not that ive used many champs other than my AW ones in the past few weeks.
    I’m not trying to pick an argument. All I’m saying is, I think people have been overestimating how effective hoods fate seal has been for them, this is clearly shown when people are fighting her champion boss.

    The only fight I feel really got bad was the vision AA fights, and that’s because he couldn’t remove buffs. I have said this several times now. Any of us can take a champ and do a summary of every single node they are good for and say we used them for them it’s just not practical to take anecdotes and apply it to data.

    It’s like saying we are going to start ticketing everyone who doesn’t wear a mask. There are some people saying I haven’t worn a mask ever and I never had a virus. It just doesn’t work like that man. If Kabam could show us the data we could probably have a better conversation about this.
  • RaganatorRaganator Posts: 1,980 ★★★★★
    ADDIS0N said:

    Take the old hood, give him a 15-20% base attack rating.

    As a bonus, allow him to stack up to 2 staggers.

    Done.

    I would like to be able to stack shocks with l1 as well.
  • JadedJaded Posts: 3,097 ★★★★★
    ADDIS0N said:

    Texas_11 said:

    zeezee57 said:

    H

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    I think the better question is when have you actually read a response in this thread? I've kept up with this all somewhat and your ability to ignore every point everyone has made and just keep going with the same responses is astounding.
    If you have been following anything you would see that I have agreed with several peoples post. He wanted to talk about Elsa Bloodstone ? That’s fine , I have no problem. But when we start discussing what it would be like it goes no where .

    I have agreed rank down tickets are necessary.

    I have agreed that the fate seal is not necessarily game breaking in his current kit.

    I have agreed that it is unfortunate some people
    Got the short end of the stick.

    I even agreed they could add it back on the SP3

    I cannot agree that everyone was affected the same way, he is a better champ overall. It doesn’t make sense to have any champ in a 200k-300k fight for 8-9 mins. I watched plenty of videos of him pre buff and did testing on my own. There is not many fights in the game where he was a better champ. Maybe resistor node , maybe 7.1 , maybe a Medusa fight.

    People were citing the champion fight and people were citing Annhilus and he handles both of those fights beautifully. In fact , after watching multiple
    Videos of the champion take down, there was ever hardly a time the fate seal saved you from The champion unstoppable, it was the stagger.

    Dude, we get it.

    You didn't like the old Hood because he wasn't Mystic Corvus.

    We did because we saw the value in him as he was and used him a lot.

    Just because you're not capable of understanding that does not mean we're wrong and you're right.

    Give it up.
    I think all of his points are spot on. This doesn’t effect everyone. Very small portion of the community actually.

    I know the more skilled players using him are upset I can sympathize with them. I was upset when they added star lord limit of 400 hits 🤮. Life went on.
  • RakeYoungRakeYoung Posts: 294 ★★
    the regen was great but it was broken, no champ in the game regen's that much that reliably.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 5,052 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Denslo500 said:

    @Texas_11 it’s Hood today.
    May be your favorite champ tomorrow.

    I’m ready man.
    BAM Elsa no longer reloads her debuffs and they cap at 1. But her incinerate has 500% potency and higher base attack! OP!
    That’s not quite the same change.

    It would be more like Elsa losing her to utility say.... while bleeding she heals blocks opponent’s they remove that.
    That is no where close to the same as losing al forms of fate seal.


    She doesnt take reduced bleed damage so it doesnt do much in endgame content.
    When is the last time you used hood? Not with ghost? What is the last fight you had with hood where you fate sealed the opponent and it helped because it wasn’t due to the stagger?
    Messing around in act 7 a week or two ago. Not that ive used many champs other than my AW ones in the past few weeks.
    I’m not trying to pick an argument. All I’m saying is, I think people have been overestimating how effective hoods fate seal has been for them, this is clearly shown when people are fighting her champion boss.

    The only fight I feel really got bad was the vision AA fights, and that’s because he couldn’t remove buffs. I have said this several times now. Any of us can take a champ and do a summary of every single node they are good for and say we used them for them it’s just not practical to take anecdotes and apply it to data.

    It’s like saying we are going to start ticketing everyone who doesn’t wear a mask. There are some people saying I haven’t worn a mask ever and I never had a virus. It just doesn’t work like that man. If Kabam could show us the data we could probably have a better conversation about this.
    And what about those that truly ranked Hood up for his fateseal? As i know a few did? Do they just get to suck it up, or do they get rdts? It would only make sense.
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