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Hood Changes - Discussion [Merged Threads]

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  • JumpthesharkJumptheshark Posts: 242 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Thanks a lot. I loved the new Hood and now he’s gone.

    This is why this discussion was so important. Do you think its better if you don't lose the champ you loved, but a lot of other players do? Is that okay with you? I would hope not. Hopefully, the devs are more cautious in the future so no one, or at least far fewer players, will be confronted with the situation you're experiencing now. And hopefully when Hood comes back he'll still have enough of the new kit to be worth your time.

    I'm assuming of course what you liked was the enhanced Hex damage and other additional mechanics. If you're complaining about Kabam taking the broken heal away, you're not getting that back and this thread had nothing to do with that going away in the first place.
    Of course I’d prefer the Hood that I prefer. I never found him useful before anyway as I had much better champs for dealing with buffs.
  • AgresssorAgresssor Posts: 245 ★★

    Agresssor said:

    Agresssor said:

    So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day

    They're going to rebuff him with his utility, why are you upset? You're still going to get back the damage, just with the supreme buff control he was famous for. Hood was never supposed to be a lane clearer, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents. Hopefully the upcoming buff will still include that while giving him damage as well, something the new one didn't have.
    Yes, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents once per year. I don't know what the guys will do with theirs fateseals now against some opponents with 500k hp in 7.1 / 7.2 + content. Fateseal was very situational againts the damage where you need in 90% of the time
    @Agresssor where r u in content?
    nice he ignored this
    Act 7.1 100% + abyss only 1 path
    Greekhit said:

    Agresssor said:

    to be honest i dont know how we can trade fun new mechanic with some heavy +200k burst damage over fateseal

    If you had ever done a fight like 6.2 Champion you would have knew that it wasn’t even a trade to discuss.
    And to be honest, the community reaction wasn’t only for Hood, but for the new precedent this buff was setting.
    No one liked the idea of changing a core utility of a useful champ.
    I’m pretty glad Kabam realised how harmful long term, or even short term, this type of buffs would be for the game, and did the right thing.
    Don’t worry, Hood will get the buff he and the community needs 😉
    I used hem againts 6.2 champions even before the change and thats it, but after the update i played hem much more in the 24-48 hours than before buff
  • Scopeotoe987Scopeotoe987 Posts: 1,449 ★★★★
    I’m kinda happy I’ll get RDTs for hood so I can r4 dragon man and I’ll even be able to bring him to r5 this month.
  • AgresssorAgresssor Posts: 245 ★★
    Why they reverted, they should just bring back the fateseal to a new version, ehh sadness.
    I think that it makes no sense to argue about anything here right now. Old version team, You won

  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,295 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:

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    Agresssor said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Agresssor said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Agresssor said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Agresssor said:

    Or maybe, if he couldn't place a stagger from crit hits if the opponent has already a stagger ( for ex: omega red heavy attack degen ) but in this case your staggers will be less effective if you need to wait 5 sec to place a new stagger

    His regen was a bonus and not a core mechanic. You could for example place a stagger, back off, wait for it to expire, place on again. Do it 10 times and you gained 10% health. You don't generally use that stagger for regen though. If you are bringing Hood, it is for buff control.
    I understand but its very stupid, the old hood has 7.5 stagger duration, for regen you need at least 1 critical hit to place a stagger than wait 7.5 seconds without touching the opponent, but its very risky and the regen doesnt not worth this effort. If i need to do that at least 10 times, with 7.5 seconds it will take 75 seconds for 10% health, with new hood = 50 seconds, very very impractical if you focus on regeneration


    for people like me who play with suicide, his post-fix regen is no longer compatible with suicide
    The regen is not part of his core gameplay, only a emergency ability. Like warlocks heal, its pretty bad but its there. If you think about it Hood pre-buff was actually good with suicides. You only needed to fire one sp2 to control all the buffs. You could just refresh the fate seal and not fire another special again. Something to think about.
    Right now, after regen fix. Why such a bonus that will work 1 time per fight otherwise you will have to play very passively to regen. The New Hood regen was very good on every crit hit for suicides players before they fix it. I could even compensate the recoil mastery :DDDDD

    Fateseal its a good thing but dam... that regen.... bring the regen back

    The regen was too OP. I don't know how you are not getting this. There was no balance with the regen. It was simply healing for doing basic combo. You realize that Kabam modified Kingpin and DDHK regen to 40% just because of will power heal. You thought they would leave this kind of regen in a champion?
    They could cut the regen by half or change the mechanic .

    this only proves once again that kabam does not test the buffs/characters before the update
    You said it yourself, you were able to heal more than suicides (including recoil damage) was taking away.
    Sounds pretty OP to me.
    You have to really understand the game and all its nuances to know if that kind of rule works. cf: Angela. I'll bet 99% of the player population is unaware of Angela's ability's interaction with suicides. I actually forgot about it until the Angela update reminded me.
    Tbf I completely forgot about that until you mentioned it, even so I don’t think Angela’s regen is quite as strong as Hood getting however much HP it was back on every crit.
    I was replying to the statement that if a champion has mechanics that allow them to heal back way more than suicides remove players should know that is OP. There are cases where that's not true, or at least the developers don't think it is true. Angela was just the obvious example of such.
  • theMercenarytheMercenary Posts: 607 ★★★

    Agresssor said:

    So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day againts medusa's and hyperions with +500k health pool

    yes. this.
    and let them have fun when they try to refresh that fate seal and get hit by miss or parry dilemma.
    what a reliable invisibility that was.
    hope yall are happy.

    man i want to make a lot of memes about this rn.
    You really don't have any other damage dealers, huh? Literally the only Champ that can rival Hood in regards to Buff management is Symbiote Supreme. With a damage boost he'll possibly even reach Supreme's level.
    so far i didnt want to play this game but if you gonna ask me that im gonna ask you:

    You really dont have any other NULLIFIERS HA??!

    there i said it.
    Oh yeah, plenty of Nullifiers.
    How many of them remove pre-existing Buffs? Hood was/is on the level of Champs like Claire and Sym Sup with respect to Buff Nullification, something those Champs are renowned for. The only thing stopping him is his damage, which will definitely be fixed in the Buff.

    You really thought you had a point there, didn't you?
    omg i wanna break the s**t out of the community forum rules rn.

    PRE EXISTING BUFFS.

    hmm thats what mystic class usually do. idk if you aware of that. go check auntm.ai. in fact let me help you i opened it rn and reading some champs one by one

    doom, claire, ss, longshot, ms, loki, mojo, sorcerer, scarlet, dormammu, voodoo..

    lol shame on me that i wasted my time here arguing with you.
  • theMercenarytheMercenary Posts: 607 ★★★
    not saying fate seal is a bad ability, you could just implement that to hoods current (about to be nerfed again) position.

    and literally shocked that some guys here are thinking only nullifier is hood and sym supreme.
    bruh...
    you gotta long way to go.
  • not saying fate seal is a bad ability, you could just implement that to hoods current (about to be nerfed again) position.

    and literally shocked that some guys here are thinking only nullifier is hood and sym supreme.
    bruh...
    you gotta long way to go.

    BuffBeast said:

    Seems like some people can’t read. They literally said in the message that they’ll revert him and then rebuff him at a later time (WITH the fate seal) so, what’s the problem? You’re gonna get the damage back

  • theMercenarytheMercenary Posts: 607 ★★★
    edited March 4
    DNA3000 said:

    Agresssor said:

    So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day againts medusa's and hyperions with +500k health pool

    yes. this.
    and let them have fun when they try to refresh that fate seal and get hit by miss or parry dilemma.
    what a reliable invisibility that was.
    hope yall are happy.

    man i want to make a lot of memes about this rn.
    You really don't have any other damage dealers, huh? Literally the only Champ that can rival Hood in regards to Buff management is Symbiote Supreme. With a damage boost he'll possibly even reach Supreme's level.
    so far i didnt want to play this game but if you gonna ask me that im gonna ask you:

    You really dont have any other NULLIFIERS HA??!

    there i said it.
    Oh yeah, plenty of Nullifiers.
    How many of them remove pre-existing Buffs? Hood was/is on the level of Champs like Claire and Sym Sup with respect to Buff Nullification, something those Champs are renowned for. The only thing stopping him is his damage, which will definitely be fixed in the Buff.

    You really thought you had a point there, didn't you?
    omg i wanna break the s**t out of the community forum rules rn.

    PRE EXISTING BUFFS.

    hmm thats what mystic class usually do. idk if you aware of that. go check auntm.ai. in fact let me help you i opened it rn and reading some champs one by one

    doom, claire, ss, longshot, ms, loki, mojo, sorcerer, scarlet, dormammu, voodoo..

    lol shame on me that i wasted my time here arguing with you.
    If you're trying to win a trivia contest, fair enough. But if you're trying to argue there are lots of champions that could control buffs on any level remotely comparable to what Hood originally could do, and you want to put Dormammu on that list, I'm sorry but that's a credibility-destroying assertion. Dormammu can only nullify with SP1, and can only nullify one buff at a time. That nullify is less of a buff control capability, and more of a way to feed his degen damage. Anyone who played Dormammu should know this. Scarlet Witch is a more viable buff control champion, but still not on the level of the strong buff control champions and not the equal of original Hood. And *also* most players don't have SW as 5* or higher because she was only recently added to the 5* pool and doesn't exist yet in the 6* pool. So SW at a rarity suitable for higher tier content play is far rarer than Hood.

    The strongest buff control champs, like Symbiote Supreme and original Hood, can both apply stagger to ensure that most buffs never even apply, and the few that escape stagger can be nullified off. Loki can't do that, Morningstar can't do that, not even Mojo can really do that, particularly in the presence of buffs with no duration.
    for the sake of the argument you should at least check the champions abilities even if you dont know it before,
    clearly all you can do is writing some long paragraphs to make pressure and get away with that. lol no, you just hit the hard rock buddy. i really thought you were a guy who knows some stuff.

    this wasnt a pissing contest. the guy asked me who can nullify so i answered him, not gonna measure dongs around with you because clearly you dont even know dormammu can nullify all the buffs with sp 1 as long as he's imbued
  • WRIRWRIR Posts: 562 ★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Agresssor said:

    So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day againts medusa's and hyperions with +500k health pool

    yes. this.
    and let them have fun when they try to refresh that fate seal and get hit by miss or parry dilemma.
    what a reliable invisibility that was.
    hope yall are happy.

    man i want to make a lot of memes about this rn.
    You really don't have any other damage dealers, huh? Literally the only Champ that can rival Hood in regards to Buff management is Symbiote Supreme. With a damage boost he'll possibly even reach Supreme's level.
    so far i didnt want to play this game but if you gonna ask me that im gonna ask you:

    You really dont have any other NULLIFIERS HA??!

    there i said it.
    Oh yeah, plenty of Nullifiers.
    How many of them remove pre-existing Buffs? Hood was/is on the level of Champs like Claire and Sym Sup with respect to Buff Nullification, something those Champs are renowned for. The only thing stopping him is his damage, which will definitely be fixed in the Buff.

    You really thought you had a point there, didn't you?
    omg i wanna break the s**t out of the community forum rules rn.

    PRE EXISTING BUFFS.

    hmm thats what mystic class usually do. idk if you aware of that. go check auntm.ai. in fact let me help you i opened it rn and reading some champs one by one

    doom, claire, ss, longshot, ms, loki, mojo, sorcerer, scarlet, dormammu, voodoo..

    lol shame on me that i wasted my time here arguing with you.
    If you're trying to win a trivia contest, fair enough. But if you're trying to argue there are lots of champions that could control buffs on any level remotely comparable to what Hood originally could do, and you want to put Dormammu on that list, I'm sorry but that's a credibility-destroying assertion. Dormammu can only nullify with SP1, and can only nullify one buff at a time. That nullify is less of a buff control capability, and more of a way to feed his degen damage. Anyone who played Dormammu should know this. Scarlet Witch is a more viable buff control champion, but still not on the level of the strong buff control champions and not the equal of original Hood. And *also* most players don't have SW as 5* or higher because she was only recently added to the 5* pool and doesn't exist yet in the 6* pool. So SW at a rarity suitable for higher tier content play is far rarer than Hood.

    The strongest buff control champs, like Symbiote Supreme and original Hood, can both apply stagger to ensure that most buffs never even apply, and the few that escape stagger can be nullified off. Loki can't do that, Morningstar can't do that, not even Mojo can really do that, particularly in the presence of buffs with no duration.
    i really thought you were a guy who knows some stuff.

    this wasnt a pissing contest. the guy asked me who can nullify so i answered him, not gonna measure dongs around with you because clearly you dont even know dormammu can nullify all the buffs with sp 1 as long as he's imbued.
    Except sp1 nullify WHILE IMBUED means its situational, as in, not as reliable as Hood, which is what DNA 3000 is saying.
  • BendyBendy Posts: 2,008 ★★★★

    not saying fate seal is a bad ability, you could just implement that to hoods current (about to be nerfed again) position.

    and literally shocked that some guys here are thinking only nullifier is hood and sym supreme.
    bruh...
    you gotta long way to go.

    Yes hood and sym arent the only nullifiers but reliably they are as this new mystic node for example if not buff heavy u need a nullify that u dont need to stun and hit as unstoppable in mystic gives them stun immune but with sym and hood they can remove that as sym is by going into his first phase again which removes all buffs or if duped he applies stagger x seconds so very reliable to prevent the unstoppable node in mystic quest and second is hoods hex fate seal which if connects pretty much removes the buff and other buffs yes others work but u might get retaliated.
  • Peteyaces_72Peteyaces_72 Posts: 18
    Honestly I’m disappointed that they are reverting Hood back. I quite liked him and his new changes. I found myself actually using him. And just for reference, I’m not some new player. I’m 100% all content except Abyss, 12k prestige.

    It frustrates me that the community screams saying old champs need buffs and reworks and then when it happens people flip out. Just be happy that they are updating old champs. A lot of games I’ve played often gave no love to old characters
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