How about you get a one time choice on keeping og Hood or going with new Hood (effectivly making 2 champs). Personally I prefer the old style invisibility mechanics.
So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day againts medusa's and hyperions with +500k health pool
yes. this. and let them have fun when they try to refresh that fate seal and get hit by miss or parry dilemma. what a reliable invisibility that was. hope yall are happy.
Or maybe, if he couldn't place a stagger from crit hits if the opponent has already a stagger ( for ex: omega red heavy attack degen ) but in this case your staggers will be less effective if you need to wait 5 sec to place a new stagger
His regen was a bonus and not a core mechanic. You could for example place a stagger, back off, wait for it to expire, place on again. Do it 10 times and you gained 10% health. You don't generally use that stagger for regen though. If you are bringing Hood, it is for buff control.
I understand but its very stupid, the old hood has 7.5 stagger duration, for regen you need at least 1 critical hit to place a stagger than wait 7.5 seconds without touching the opponent, but its very risky and the regen doesnt not worth this effort. If i need to do that at least 10 times, with 7.5 seconds it will take 75 seconds for 10% health, with new hood = 50 seconds, very very impractical if you focus on regeneration
for people like me who play with suicide, his post-fix regen is no longer compatible with suicide
The regen is not part of his core gameplay, only a emergency ability. Like warlocks heal, its pretty bad but its there. If you think about it Hood pre-buff was actually good with suicides. You only needed to fire one sp2 to control all the buffs. You could just refresh the fate seal and not fire another special again. Something to think about.
Right now, after regen fix. Why such a bonus that will work 1 time per fight otherwise you will have to play very passively to regen. The New Hood regen was very good on every crit hit for suicides players before they fix it. I could even compensate the recoil mastery :DDDDD
Fateseal its a good thing but dam... that regen.... bring the regen back
The regen was too OP. I don't know how you are not getting this. There was no balance with the regen. It was simply healing for doing basic combo. You realize that Kabam modified Kingpin and DDHK regen to 40% just because of will power heal. You thought they would leave this kind of regen in a champion?
They could cut the regen by half or change the mechanic
They did change the mechanic. You can only heal if the stagger expires. I don't think the old regen is coming back.
So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day
They're going to rebuff him with his utility, why are you upset? You're still going to get back the damage, just with the supreme buff control he was famous for. Hood was never supposed to be a lane clearer, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents. Hopefully the upcoming buff will still include that while giving him damage as well, something the new one didn't have.
Yes, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents once per year. I don't know what the guys will do with theirs fateseals now against some opponents with 500k hp in 7.1 / 7.2 + content. Fateseal was very situational againts the damage where you need in 90% of the time
Or maybe, if he couldn't place a stagger from crit hits if the opponent has already a stagger ( for ex: omega red heavy attack degen ) but in this case your staggers will be less effective if you need to wait 5 sec to place a new stagger
His regen was a bonus and not a core mechanic. You could for example place a stagger, back off, wait for it to expire, place on again. Do it 10 times and you gained 10% health. You don't generally use that stagger for regen though. If you are bringing Hood, it is for buff control.
I understand but its very stupid, the old hood has 7.5 stagger duration, for regen you need at least 1 critical hit to place a stagger than wait 7.5 seconds without touching the opponent, but its very risky and the regen doesnt not worth this effort. If i need to do that at least 10 times, with 7.5 seconds it will take 75 seconds for 10% health, with new hood = 50 seconds, very very impractical if you focus on regeneration
for people like me who play with suicide, his post-fix regen is no longer compatible with suicide
The regen is not part of his core gameplay, only a emergency ability. Like warlocks heal, its pretty bad but its there. If you think about it Hood pre-buff was actually good with suicides. You only needed to fire one sp2 to control all the buffs. You could just refresh the fate seal and not fire another special again. Something to think about.
Right now, after regen fix. Why such a bonus that will work 1 time per fight otherwise you will have to play very passively to regen. The New Hood regen was very good on every crit hit for suicides players before they fix it. I could even compensate the recoil mastery :DDDDD
Fateseal its a good thing but dam... that regen.... bring the regen back
The regen was too OP. I don't know how you are not getting this. There was no balance with the regen. It was simply healing for doing basic combo. You realize that Kabam modified Kingpin and DDHK regen to 40% just because of will power heal. You thought they would leave this kind of regen in a champion?
They could cut the regen by half or change the mechanic .
this only proves once again that kabam does not test the buffs/characters before the update
I have no idea regarding the testing of characters. But they changed the mechanic to the old one. I don't think the regen is coming back.
So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day
They're going to rebuff him with his utility, why are you upset? You're still going to get back the damage, just with the supreme buff control he was famous for. Hood was never supposed to be a lane clearer, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents. Hopefully the upcoming buff will still include that while giving him damage as well, something the new one didn't have.
Yes, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents once per year. I don't know what the guys will do with theirs fateseals now against some opponents with 500k hp in 7.1 / 7.2 + content. Fateseal was very situational againts the damage where you need in 90% of the time
He just needs a damage boost and better Miss chances, what else would you like of him? He's got Shock, Bleed, on-demand Stun, Stagger, Fate Seal, Debuff refresh, Miss, stun immune, Power Steal. If that isn't some God Tier utility, I don't know what is. All he lacks majorly is damage, and they'll give him that damage when he's rebuffed. Take heart, he'll come back with the damage and utility he deserves.
I think that after such a shock for the kabam and from such a reaction of people to this fateseal, I feel that he will be buffed now in 10 years
So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day
They're going to rebuff him with his utility, why are you upset? You're still going to get back the damage, just with the supreme buff control he was famous for. Hood was never supposed to be a lane clearer, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents. Hopefully the upcoming buff will still include that while giving him damage as well, something the new one didn't have.
Yes, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents once per year. I don't know what the guys will do with theirs fateseals now against some opponents with 500k hp in 7.1 / 7.2 + content. Fateseal was very situational againts the damage where you need in 90% of the time
@Cat_Murdock they wanna know about fateseal in 7.1
hood was nothing more than the tag along for ghost unless he was your only option. You people freaked out about a fate seal that you never used. (and a liar if you argue that you did). I'm sure there will be keyboard warriors arguing this point, but you know deep down I'm right.
My g I never knew having a wrong opinion was a thing before thanks for enlightening me with your negative iq
the common point of all guys here is fate seal right. so why in the hell kabam just couldnt put a fate seal to the hood, and keep both sides happy?
The common point of all us guys actually has nothing to do with Hood. It has to do with this:
Further, we want to take a moment to assure you that moving forward, we do not want to make changes this significant to a Champions kit in a Moderate or Value Only update in the future. While it may happen rarely, we want to save those kinds of changes for Overhauls, where a Champion receives a brand new Kit. We know that Summoners are excited about Buffs, and that’s the way it should be. We are going to work to ensure we keep it that way, and that any time we announce a Buff, you will be excited about it.
That's the most important thing to come out of this discussion, it was what I was personally aiming for the entire time, and it is the best possible outcome for the players and the long term future of the game.
no. kabam is the most populist company ive ever seen, if the community says blindly "nerf this" they're nerfing it without question because a lot of crying babies cant even parry and use light attacks 3 times to finish a content, or incapable of reading a champions abilities.
thats why they made act 7 way more cheese and no challenge means no fun.
i am personally being disgusted by this.
This diverges so wildly from reality It isn't even wrong. Kabam sticks to their guns 95% of the time, as they should to be honest. But sometimes they make an error that goes far beyond a difference in judgment and enters the territory of being objectively harmful. In those cases, they should look at the objective and reasonable complaints of the playerbase and give them the attention their validity is due.
The game should try to accommodate as many players as it can, when it can. Sometimes that is not possible and the game needs to make hard choices. But the Hood buff was not one of them. There were, and are ways to accommodate the existing users of Hood while improving Hood for the players who don't find value with him. So the devs should do that. I'm not as sure it can accommodate players who sees these objections in the way you do, and enough other people to keep the game going. I think they are making the right choice there.
Or maybe, if he couldn't place a stagger from crit hits if the opponent has already a stagger ( for ex: omega red heavy attack degen ) but in this case your staggers will be less effective if you need to wait 5 sec to place a new stagger
His regen was a bonus and not a core mechanic. You could for example place a stagger, back off, wait for it to expire, place on again. Do it 10 times and you gained 10% health. You don't generally use that stagger for regen though. If you are bringing Hood, it is for buff control.
I understand but its very stupid, the old hood has 7.5 stagger duration, for regen you need at least 1 critical hit to place a stagger than wait 7.5 seconds without touching the opponent, but its very risky and the regen doesnt not worth this effort. If i need to do that at least 10 times, with 7.5 seconds it will take 75 seconds for 10% health, with new hood = 50 seconds, very very impractical if you focus on regeneration
for people like me who play with suicide, his post-fix regen is no longer compatible with suicide
The regen is not part of his core gameplay, only a emergency ability. Like warlocks heal, its pretty bad but its there. If you think about it Hood pre-buff was actually good with suicides. You only needed to fire one sp2 to control all the buffs. You could just refresh the fate seal and not fire another special again. Something to think about.
Right now, after regen fix. Why such a bonus that will work 1 time per fight otherwise you will have to play very passively to regen. The New Hood regen was very good on every crit hit for suicides players before they fix it. I could even compensate the recoil mastery :DDDDD
Fateseal its a good thing but dam... that regen.... bring the regen back
The regen was too OP. I don't know how you are not getting this. There was no balance with the regen. It was simply healing for doing basic combo. You realize that Kabam modified Kingpin and DDHK regen to 40% just because of will power heal. You thought they would leave this kind of regen in a champion?
They could cut the regen by half or change the mechanic .
this only proves once again that kabam does not test the buffs/characters before the update
You said it yourself, you were able to heal more than suicides (including recoil damage) was taking away. Sounds pretty OP to me.
You have to really understand the game and all its nuances to know if that kind of rule works. cf: Angela. I'll bet 99% of the player population is unaware of Angela's ability's interaction with suicides. I actually forgot about it until the Angela update reminded me.
So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day
They're going to rebuff him with his utility, why are you upset? You're still going to get back the damage, just with the supreme buff control he was famous for. Hood was never supposed to be a lane clearer, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents. Hopefully the upcoming buff will still include that while giving him damage as well, something the new one didn't have.
Yes, he was always meant to deal with some tough opponents once per year. I don't know what the guys will do with theirs fateseals now against some opponents with 500k hp in 7.1 / 7.2 + content. Fateseal was very situational againts the damage where you need in 90% of the time
He just needs a damage boost and better Miss chances, what else would you like of him? He's got Shock, Bleed, on-demand Stun, Stagger, Fate Seal, Debuff refresh, Miss, stun immune, Power Steal. If that isn't some God Tier utility, I don't know what is. All he lacks majorly is damage, and they'll give him that damage when he's rebuffed. Take heart, he'll come back with the damage and utility he deserves.
I think that after such a shock for the kabam and from such a reaction of people to this fateseal, I feel that he will be buffed now in 10 years
For someone that kept telling people to stop crying over the changes, you’re doing an awful lot of crying over this announcement that they’re redoing the buff In a way where everyone is happy later down the line
Or maybe, if he couldn't place a stagger from crit hits if the opponent has already a stagger ( for ex: omega red heavy attack degen ) but in this case your staggers will be less effective if you need to wait 5 sec to place a new stagger
His regen was a bonus and not a core mechanic. You could for example place a stagger, back off, wait for it to expire, place on again. Do it 10 times and you gained 10% health. You don't generally use that stagger for regen though. If you are bringing Hood, it is for buff control.
I understand but its very stupid, the old hood has 7.5 stagger duration, for regen you need at least 1 critical hit to place a stagger than wait 7.5 seconds without touching the opponent, but its very risky and the regen doesnt not worth this effort. If i need to do that at least 10 times, with 7.5 seconds it will take 75 seconds for 10% health, with new hood = 50 seconds, very very impractical if you focus on regeneration
for people like me who play with suicide, his post-fix regen is no longer compatible with suicide
The regen is not part of his core gameplay, only a emergency ability. Like warlocks heal, its pretty bad but its there. If you think about it Hood pre-buff was actually good with suicides. You only needed to fire one sp2 to control all the buffs. You could just refresh the fate seal and not fire another special again. Something to think about.
Right now, after regen fix. Why such a bonus that will work 1 time per fight otherwise you will have to play very passively to regen. The New Hood regen was very good on every crit hit for suicides players before they fix it. I could even compensate the recoil mastery :DDDDD
Fateseal its a good thing but dam... that regen.... bring the regen back
The regen was too OP. I don't know how you are not getting this. There was no balance with the regen. It was simply healing for doing basic combo. You realize that Kabam modified Kingpin and DDHK regen to 40% just because of will power heal. You thought they would leave this kind of regen in a champion?
They could cut the regen by half or change the mechanic .
this only proves once again that kabam does not test the buffs/characters before the update
You said it yourself, you were able to heal more than suicides (including recoil damage) was taking away. Sounds pretty OP to me.
You have to really understand the game and all its nuances to know if that kind of rule works. cf: Angela. I'll bet 99% of the player population is unaware of Angela's ability's interaction with suicides. I actually forgot about it until the Angela update reminded me.
Tbf I completely forgot about that until you mentioned it, even so I don’t think Angela’s regen is quite as strong as Hood getting however much HP it was back on every crit.
How many repetitive posts in this topic in 44 pages.... it is better to close this topic and open only when there is final information from the admins, otherwise, they will argue up to 100 pages, with repetitive thoughts
Big News! They took the Feedback and will be Reverting the Buff on Hood, at a later undefined date his Buff will be Reintroduced with the Unnecessarily Removed Pieces of Kit on his Base such as the Fate Seal. There will also be RDTs sent out for the people who Ranked Him Up during his Buff
So now all those peoples will be able to use theirs " fateseal's + aar " 24/24 every single day againts medusa's and hyperions with +500k health pool
yes. this. and let them have fun when they try to refresh that fate seal and get hit by miss or parry dilemma. what a reliable invisibility that was. hope yall are happy.
man i want to make a lot of memes about this rn.
You really don't have any other damage dealers, huh? Literally the only Champ that can rival Hood in regards to Buff management is Symbiote Supreme. With a damage boost he'll possibly even reach Supreme's level.
so far i didnt want to play this game but if you gonna ask me that im gonna ask you:
Big News! They took the Feedback and will be Reverting the Buff on Hood, at a later undefined date his Buff will be Reintroduced with the Unnecessarily Removed Pieces of Kit on his Base such as the Fate Seal. There will also be RDTs sent out for the people who Ranked Him Up during his Buff
They also mentioned the Bugs like his Bullets not Reloading and the Crazy Regen will be fixed before his Buff's Rerelease so it doesn't cause any unforseen effects.
How many repetitive posts in this topic in 44 pages.... it is better to close this topic and open only when there is final information from the admins, otherwise, they will argue up to 100 pages, with repetitive thoughts
Thanks a lot. I loved the new Hood and now he’s gone.
This is why this discussion was so important. Do you think its better if you don't lose the champ you loved, but a lot of other players do? Is that okay with you? I would hope not. Hopefully, the devs are more cautious in the future so no one, or at least far fewer players, will be confronted with the situation you're experiencing now. And hopefully when Hood comes back he'll still have enough of the new kit to be worth your time.
I'm assuming of course what you liked was the enhanced Hex damage and other additional mechanics. If you're complaining about Kabam taking the broken heal away, you're not getting that back and this thread had nothing to do with that going away in the first place.
I'm glad they reverted his buff. They listened to community feedback and changed the Hood to be how he was before, making everyone who took him up for his original purpose happy, including me. That is commendable and I appreciate the response from Kabam, even giving rank down tickets to those who took him up after his buff,. And like what @Primerprime5 said, the only buff Hood needs is a numbers change. IMO overhauls are only needed for champs who can't do anything like when Hulkbuster and Magneto got overhauls. Overall, Kabam's response was phenomenal and legit the best thing they could've done.
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and let them have fun when they try to refresh that fate seal and get hit by miss or parry dilemma.
what a reliable invisibility that was.
hope yall are happy.
man i want to make a lot of memes about this rn.
This diverges so wildly from reality It isn't even wrong. Kabam sticks to their guns 95% of the time, as they should to be honest. But sometimes they make an error that goes far beyond a difference in judgment and enters the territory of being objectively harmful. In those cases, they should look at the objective and reasonable complaints of the playerbase and give them the attention their validity is due.That's the most important thing to come out of this discussion, it was what I was personally aiming for the entire time, and it is the best possible outcome for the players and the long term future of the game.
The game should try to accommodate as many players as it can, when it can. Sometimes that is not possible and the game needs to make hard choices. But the Hood buff was not one of them. There were, and are ways to accommodate the existing users of Hood while improving Hood for the players who don't find value with him. So the devs should do that. I'm not as sure it can accommodate players who sees these objections in the way you do, and enough other people to keep the game going. I think they are making the right choice there.
Big News!
They took the Feedback and will be Reverting the Buff on Hood, at a later undefined date his Buff will be Reintroduced with the Unnecessarily Removed Pieces of Kit on his Base such as the Fate Seal. There will also be RDTs sent out for the people who Ranked Him Up during his Buff
You really dont have any other NULLIFIERS HA??!
there i said it.
I'm assuming of course what you liked was the enhanced Hex damage and other additional mechanics. If you're complaining about Kabam taking the broken heal away, you're not getting that back and this thread had nothing to do with that going away in the first place.
That is commendable and I appreciate the response from Kabam, even giving rank down tickets to those who took him up after his buff,.
And like what @Primerprime5 said, the only buff Hood needs is a numbers change.
IMO overhauls are only needed for champs who can't do anything like when Hulkbuster and Magneto got overhauls.
Overall, Kabam's response was phenomenal and legit the best thing they could've done.