GJ making his sig ability useful and viable instead of punishing and unwanted. One of the bigger hang ups I had with him in the past. You traded his ramp up for nothing but now you’ll actually want to use it to your advantage to get ins and increase your damage output.
Also Nice to see bigger numbers for bleed as opposed to what was largely previously seen as insignificant.
I don’t understand the nerf with the timer against non bleed opponents. Can you @Kabam Miike explain why this was added? My impression of these buffs was to improve upon and not detract from their kits. Thanks
Sorry Kabam, I have to agree with the majority here.
This buff, if we can even call it a buff, is so underwhelming, it almost looks like a lazy work just for the sake of there being something called a buff for July. Very disappointing.
Ronin has some of the nicest animations, his combos are so fluid. There was so much potential here. 100 % missed opportunity.
While I do understand that not every champion update is aimed for end game content, that you want to encourage mid-game players to use champions in their smaller rosters, this is not a good way to do it. These players need simpler champions without complicated rotations, that can deal with multiple problems with their utility. They are not going to rank him up now, he is not going to be used more. People will just wait for a better pull.
Something you guys seem to forget, kabam has indeed stated just because a champs receives a buff now, that does not exclude then from getting another one in the future.
I don’t understand the nerf with the timer against non bleed opponents. Can you @Kabam Miike explain why this was added? My impression of these buffs was to improve upon and not detract from their kits. Thanks
Intuitively it’s tied to the change of his signature ability which now allows him to keep his crit damage while evading. Against bleed immunes with no cooldown he’d be able to have a reckless loop allowing him to maintain his evade along with his damage.
I don’t understand the nerf with the timer against non bleed opponents. Can you @Kabam Miike explain why this was added? My impression of these buffs was to improve upon and not detract from their kits. Thanks
Intuitively it’s tied to the change of his signature ability which now allows him to keep his crit damage while evading. Against bleed immunes with no cooldown he’d be able to have a reckless loop allowing him to maintain his evade along with his damage.
So what happens when you have the champ unawakened? it’s clearly a penalty.
It adds an insignificant ramp up at the end of his loop. Do You play a high ranked unawakened ronin or you’re arguing for the sake of it?
This is the kind of thing that would’ve made ronin worthy of a rank up for me back when he was an option, in spite of a slightly longer ramp up against bleed immunes.
While I must say I am slightly disappointed in how this buff turned out, I can’t really say I’m surprised. I believe that on at least one previous occasion the Kabam team said, and I’m paraphrasing here, that they believed Ronin was quite balanced and they were satisfied with how he was performing. I’m not bashing them for saying that or for how the buff turned out, I’m just saying that it comes as no surprise to me that minimal changes were made to a champ already considered to be balanced.
Man, he's still tedious ramp up, just remove cruelty consume after sp3 already, also why the cd vs bleed immune, he's already lost his bleed damage against them.
So lackluster, my excitement for waiting on buffs has become completely numb. Nova, DDHK and now Ronin, does Kabam think these changes are enough for players to invest end user resources on? I was optimistically expecting better…
These Buffs are not solely for End Game players. In fact, I think if could be said they're not really aimed at End Game players at all. Giving more players more options for Champions to deal with certain Challenges really benefits players with a smaller roster, though you'll still get a Champion update every now and then that really skyrockets a Champion to the top of everybody's Roster.
I think there is no point in calling it a buff then. Just two buffs a month and then every once in a while a couple champs get numbers updates at the same time. Because I have a smaller roster and I still don’t think I’ll use him and I have at 6 star dupe. (Somehow I duped him in my 4th six star crystal). I think I speak for everyone when we see a magneto level buff sometimes and crossbones level sometimes or even she hulk. That’s better even though everyone knows not every champ has to be amazing, just some. Like the og characters from the game.
So lackluster, my excitement for waiting on buffs has become completely numb. Nova, DDHK and now Ronin, does Kabam think these changes are enough for players to invest end user resources on? I was optimistically expecting better…
These Buffs are not solely for End Game players. In fact, I think if could be said they're not really aimed at End Game players at all. Giving more players more options for Champions to deal with certain Challenges really benefits players with a smaller roster, though you'll still get a Champion update every now and then that really skyrockets a Champion to the top of everybody's Roster.
I think there is no point in calling it a buff then. Just two buffs a month and then every once in a while a couple champs get numbers updates at the same time. Because I have a smaller roster and I still don’t think I’ll use him and I have at 6 star dupe. (Somehow I duped him in my 4th six star crystal). I think I speak for everyone when we see a magneto level buff sometimes and crossbones level sometimes or even she hulk. That’s better even though everyone knows not every champ has to be amazing, just some. Like the og characters from the game.
That's the problem. People hear the word buff and they develop the expectation it will be some massive change that makes them End-Game or God Tier. That's something that's taken place for as many years as I can remember. Something good comes along and people call that the new standard. These revisions aren't explicitly aimed at making Champs End-Game worthy. They're aimed at making them more viable in the overall current state of the game than they were previously. Not necessarily MUCH more, although that sometimes happens. Just not everytime. It's about bringing them closer to the middle more than anything.
I honestly hoped his mechanics would slightly change and he would get a bit easier to play. Don't care for big yellow numbers, don't need him to be next beyond god champion. Love the animations and design but find him awkward to play, that's all.
Well people were crying that he does not need any kind of buff. Maybe kabam acknowledged this and made last minute changes to keep him almost same........ Now people are crying that he did not got a good buff....
We are complaining because it's a waste of a buff spot.
Mike said if it wasn’t ronin, it would have been someone else. It was clear their intentions were to give a value buff to a champ this week.
I’m not sure how to feel about the buff, but hopefully the pay off is bigger.
Well people were crying that he does not need any kind of buff. Maybe kabam acknowledged this and made last minute changes to keep him almost same........ Now people are crying that he did not got a good buff....
We are complaining because it's a waste of a buff spot.
Mike said if it wasn’t ronin, it would have been someone else. It was clear their intentions were to give a value buff to a champ this week.
I’m not sure how to feel about the buff, but hopefully the pay off is bigger.
I'm willing to wait until the update before I make any judgments. What's funny is I have multiple five star skills with great utility and yet often times I find myself enjoying fighting with Ronin more because of his stacking bleeds.
Kabam Miike- you know what wohld make the community happy; seeing this kind of buff on rogue. She just needs a smallllllll tweak to become a viable option for everyone.
I love my rogue she was my first rank 5 and first sig 200 too, but if her buff steal could be updated to some of the new buffs and a little more time added, oooffffff is all I can say. Or if you change her to any type of contact (parry, or her touching opponent). Oooffff
Well people were crying that he does not need any kind of buff. Maybe kabam acknowledged this and made last minute changes to keep him almost same........ Now people are crying that he did not got a good buff....
We are complaining because it's a waste of a buff spot.
Mike said if it wasn’t ronin, it would have been someone else. It was clear their intentions were to give a value buff to a champ this week.
I’m not sure how to feel about the buff, but hopefully the pay off is bigger.
The problem is that Ronin is one of those Champs where both his utility and damage are equally important to retaining his place in the meta. In fact, I'd probably say that the utility is a little more important to him, as his versatility is what made him so popular, and the damage is already quite amazing after the Sp3.
In the perfect world let’s hope there is actually a place for him. Some minor tweaks have taken champs from the bottom of the game to the top of the game. I’m not a consistent Ronin player but he has been on the list for my next rank three champion. There are some things I am happy about within the kit. I am excited about testing him, also combining the evade to get more damage.
If we are being real, most likely this will either make him stronger or very lateral.
The cooldown on immune seems long, but we said the same thing about falcon lock on and it is fine.
I just ask that ronin players wait to see what the buff is like.
Considering what Ronin is, would’ve been nice if they gave him a Contempt feature like they did Crossbones that would give him crazy bonuses against villain characters. That would’ve made this buff worth it and him a lot more useful.
Considering what Ronin is, would’ve been nice if they gave him a Contempt feature like they did Crossbones that would give him crazy bonuses against villain characters. That would’ve made this buff worth it and him a lot more useful.
Or considering the mcu ronin, a contempt against mercenaries might be interesting.
I honestly think they maybe should just do overhauls and moderate buffs. Just scrap the tune up buffs.
I have a feeling if they release the list of who fits under what category, that by getting rid of tune-ups some very notable Champs might get screwed over and really have to wait until they are very out of the meta before getting buffed.
I honestly think they maybe should just do overhauls and moderate buffs. Just scrap the tune up buffs.
If they scrapped tune ups we wouldn’t have champs like Angela, Moleman and punisher 2099.
Scrapping the tune ups is not the answer. It’s the degree of which the numbers are tuned up/down. I think recently kabam are playing it a little safe personally, I’d like to see them go a little further.
I honestly think they maybe should just do overhauls and moderate buffs. Just scrap the tune up buffs.
If they scrapped tune ups we wouldn’t have champs like Angela, Moleman and punisher 2099.
Scrapping the tune ups is not the answer. It’s the degree of which the numbers are tuned up/down. I think recently kabam are playing it a little safe personally, I’d like to see them go a little further.
I honestly think they maybe should just do overhauls and moderate buffs. Just scrap the tune up buffs.
If they scrapped tune ups we wouldn’t have champs like Angela, Moleman and punisher 2099.
Scrapping the tune ups is not the answer. It’s the degree of which the numbers are tuned up/down. I think recently kabam are playing it a little safe personally, I’d like to see them go a little further.
I mean one of the big reasons they're playing it safe is they don't want to have to dial somebody back and go through this whole outrage where people are demanding rank down tickets or other compensation. If you inch somebody up and it's better but not by much there still room to improve whereas if there is a situation similar to Namor or in some ways similar to what happened with hood 2.0 and they decided to scale back, the community, not just in the forums but everybody would be up in arms about it and it becomes this whole disaster.
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Also Nice to see bigger numbers for bleed as opposed to what was largely previously seen as insignificant.
This buff, if we can even call it a buff, is so underwhelming, it almost looks like a lazy work just for the sake of there being something called a buff for July.
Very disappointing.
Ronin has some of the nicest animations, his combos are so fluid. There was so much potential here.
100 % missed opportunity.
While I do understand that not every champion update is aimed for end game content, that you want to encourage mid-game players to use champions in their smaller rosters, this is not a good way to do it. These players need simpler champions without complicated rotations, that can deal with multiple problems with their utility.
They are not going to rank him up now, he is not going to be used more. People will just wait for a better pull.
This is the kind of thing that would’ve made ronin worthy of a rank up for me back when he was an option, in spite of a slightly longer ramp up against bleed immunes.
These revisions aren't explicitly aimed at making Champs End-Game worthy. They're aimed at making them more viable in the overall current state of the game than they were previously. Not necessarily MUCH more, although that sometimes happens. Just not everytime. It's about bringing them closer to the middle more than anything.
Don't care for big yellow numbers, don't need him to be next beyond god champion.
Love the animations and design but find him awkward to play, that's all.
I’m not sure how to feel about the buff, but hopefully the pay off is bigger.
So we'll see what happens..
I love my rogue she was my first rank 5 and first sig 200 too, but if her buff steal could be updated to some of the new buffs and a little more time added, oooffffff is all I can say. Or if you change her to any type of contact (parry, or her touching opponent). Oooffff
If we are being real, most likely this will either make him stronger or very lateral.
The cooldown on immune seems long, but we said the same thing about falcon lock on and it is fine.
I just ask that ronin players wait to see what the buff is like.
Scrapping the tune ups is not the answer. It’s the degree of which the numbers are tuned up/down. I think recently kabam are playing it a little safe personally, I’d like to see them go a little further.