Also I’m not entirely sure but wouldn’t Rulk count as a “tuneup” I don’t remember what they were referred to at the time but tuneups are still a great thing for the game, Kabam has to have consistency as to how much a champ is changed when they get a “tuneup”
I think it is a case of people's expectations being too high here. People are suggesting they add cleanse passive to his kit which will not happen in a tune-up. They have increased his damage, made his AAR 100% if you need that kind of playstyle and made his sig ability a little more useful. You don't need to ramp up to 7 cruelty again and again now. Considering people were saying he did not need a buff at all, this seems to be a good change to him.
I honestly think they maybe should just do overhauls and moderate buffs. Just scrap the tune up buffs.
I have a feeling if they release the list of who fits under what category, that by getting rid of tune-ups some very notable Champs might get screwed over and really have to wait until they are very out of the meta before getting buffed.
Ok. But would give kabam more time every month. As this year. It feels like kabam has been shooting themselves in the foot. As a lot of 2021 champs so far need updates to their abilitys. They have been honestly low balling the champs abilities.
Again because low-balling is easy to fix. You believe that automatically removing tune-ups from the equation would automatically guarantee more moderate updates or overhauls? Who's to say that the champ you really want to get buffed is getting the kind of buff you want?
Not everyone is going to get a Magneto level buff but at the same time how do you know that this is going to stop more champions from having reworks that they don't need and suddenly we have the forums up in arms like we did with the initial releases of Daredevil Hell's Kitchen or Yellow Jacket or even Hood 2.0?
I honestly think they maybe should just do overhauls and moderate buffs. Just scrap the tune up buffs.
I have a feeling if they release the list of who fits under what category, that by getting rid of tune-ups some very notable Champs might get screwed over and really have to wait until they are very out of the meta before getting buffed.
Ok. But would give kabam more time every month. As this year. It feels like kabam has been shooting themselves in the foot. As a lot of 2021 champs so far need updates to their abilitys. They have been honestly low balling the champs abilities.
Again because low-balling is easy to fix. You believe that automatically removing tune-ups from the equation would automatically guarantee more moderate updates or overhauls? Who's to say that the champ you really want to get buffed is getting the kind of buff you want?
Not everyone is going to get a Magneto level buff but at the same time how do you know that this is going to stop more champions from having reworks that they don't need and suddenly we have the forums up in arms like we did with the initial releases of Daredevil Hell's Kitchen or Yellow Jacket or even Hood 2.0?
Where did I say I wanted a Magneto level buff for everyone? As well why does kabam think low balling a champion is helping them at all?
Buff or no buff, who actually would pick him over a Nick Fury if you want to rank and use a champ for daily purposes? Unless the buff allows him to surpass Fury, he will just continue to be a b-lister.
Maybe somebody like me who for the longest time didn't have a 5 * Nick Fury but did have a 5* Ronin.
I think it is a case of people's expectations being too high here. People are suggesting they add cleanse passive to his kit which will not happen in a tune-up. They have increased his damage, made his AAR 100% if you need that kind of playstyle and made his sig ability a little more useful. You don't need to ramp up to 7 cruelty again and again now. Considering people were saying he did not need a buff at all, this seems to be a good change to him.
I don't really think that's it, the cleanse passive comment was one person to be fair. It's not so much people expecting a world breaking buff or additions to his kit that were unreasonable, it's more people would've preferred these sort of tweaks in areas that made more sense. The sig change is really the only meaningful part. The AAR is my main gripe, having it added to the sp1 disorient instead of the stance makes zero sense. Everything else is geared towards sp3 to sp2 damage rotation but we'll attach the only meaningful utility adjustment to sp1 spamming, doesn't make sense. Forcing a choice between actually using the utility or getting to the damage just leaves him out of place for most players.
How does it make less sense. Lots of characters have playstyle to choose between damage and utility. Bwcv does not have damage in all the phases. It's not ideal, but I think that is what they were going for here. What I am getting is he is better than before. People were expecting kabam to fix every shortcoming in the champ. That will never happen.
I am starting to see the cons of buff too much champs per month, is that they don't have time to address all main problems that champs have, like angela, mole man, terrax,... there all good tune up because kabam see what problem lie in them, while nova just.... good for nothing, they focus on other 2 which result the 3rd not done too well, the point is if kabam find they don't have time for 3rd buff, you guys can leave it and will add more next month, instead of forcing 3 buffs why not this month 2 buffs, next month is 3, next is 4 ,or 2, or 3,.... depend on time to make the buff more quality.
Value only buffs should have moderate changes as well, similar to Angela or Punisher99, otherwise it’s a waste of time on devs creating champs like this guy or Nova that have practically no change at all.
As a Ronin Fan,It's disappointing. I was hoping AAR in any stance instead of Sp1 dependency when we have champs like Crossbone and Falcon has easy access to it. Damage is nice but we were waiting to tune up in his utilities. Fury timer is also stressful to manage.
Considering how many people say here ronin is good and they like him already and only wanted kabam not to make him worse, why are people so disappointed? On the other hand, idk why bother with it in a first place. Like if you intend to change nothing, rather work on some other champ. Add pause timer on sps for rogue, increase hood base attack, decrease nebula charge timer like Gambit and let her consume shock while below 3 charges, not only the 3 pet fight. You know, simple things
Thought maybe they could do a Captain America overhaul since you know - July 4, but hey - we’re arguing about a Ronin numbers buff.
I’ll wait for gameplay to form an opinion on the Ronin buff, but I’m genuinely excited for any buff. It’s just, eeeeeeeeehhhhh we want OG champs buffed so bad.
It looks like Ronin will remain in the “not quite viable” category. I should note that Bishop is going to need a bit more than some bumped numbers to be viable. I don’t care what anybody says, I dread using him even in arena due to his tendency to tickle most opponents. His only real utility seems to be energy resist, and it’s not even that much resist.
Bishops energy resistance used to be the highest in the game.
I reckon there's a decent chance it will be again...
They need to make it slightly harder to kill yourself with him (maybe extend the time he can hold max Power based on his Sig) and up the numbers on his Prowess and healing; then he'll start to look okay.
While I’d love to see more OG champs reworked that need a complete makeover, I also would love to see value updates for champs like say Mr Sinister who I really like and the kit is solid just needs value tweaking to make his damage on par with the meta. That would take substantially less resources work and time than pushing the reboot button on a champ to start from scratch again.
Considering how many people say here ronin is good and they like him already and only wanted kabam not to make him worse, why are people so disappointed? On the other hand, idk why bother with it in a first place. Like if you intend to change nothing, rather work on some other champ. Add pause timer on sps for rogue, increase hood base attack, decrease nebula charge timer like Gambit and let her consume shock while below 3 charges, not only the 3 pet fight. You know, simple things
You answered your own question. Hoping Kabam don't make their most "balanced" champion worse after a rebalance is an incredibly low standard.
I did not. My point is they managed to hold to that standard. That's not bad already. When you expect bad thing and it's not happening, you should usually feel relieved, not disappointed
Well people were crying that he does not need any kind of buff. Maybe kabam acknowledged this and made last minute changes to keep him almost same........ Now people are crying that he did not got a good buff....
We are complaining because it's a waste of a buff spot.
So who would you have wanted in his place? And remember it has to be a lateral choice, you can't change it into a moderate update or overhaul in its place.
Mordo. He's got what could be a strong kit if it wasn't for absolutely atrociously puny values. Same for Fixit.
Mr. Sinister as well. How many champions are immune to reverse controls, heal reversal, concussion, block unlockable attacks, reflect debuffs and pause debuffs on demand on top of having sick animations? So much utility made useless by tiny attack values
Well people were crying that he does not need any kind of buff. Maybe kabam acknowledged this and made last minute changes to keep him almost same........ Now people are crying that he did not got a good buff....
We are complaining because it's a waste of a buff spot.
So who would you have wanted in his place? And remember it has to be a lateral choice, you can't change it into a moderate update or overhaul in its place.
Mordo. He's got what could be a strong kit if it wasn't for absolutely atrociously puny values. Same for Fixit.
Mr. Sinister as well. How many champions are immune to reverse controls, heal reversal, concussion, block unlockable attacks, reflect debuffs and pause debuffs on demand on top of having sick animations? So much utility made useless by tiny attack values
That's part of the trepidation in balancing. When you have that much utility, you run the risk of making them too OP of you add too high a value.
Well people were crying that he does not need any kind of buff. Maybe kabam acknowledged this and made last minute changes to keep him almost same........ Now people are crying that he did not got a good buff....
We are complaining because it's a waste of a buff spot.
So who would you have wanted in his place? And remember it has to be a lateral choice, you can't change it into a moderate update or overhaul in its place.
Mordo. He's got what could be a strong kit if it wasn't for absolutely atrociously puny values. Same for Fixit.
Mr. Sinister as well. How many champions are immune to reverse controls, heal reversal, concussion, block unlockable attacks, reflect debuffs and pause debuffs on demand on top of having sick animations? So much utility made useless by tiny attack values
That's part of the trepidation in balancing. When you have that much utility, you run the risk of making them too OP of you add too high a value.
I hear you. Honesty though, even at max sig his ramp up is more painful than airwalker and far less feasible in higher difficulty story mode, with significantly less payoff.
His damage doesn’t need to be CGR or Mags level but it needs to be substantially higher to be a plausible option. All the utility in the world isn’t worth a hill of beans if it takes 300 hits to finish a fight that another champ would finish in 50.
Considering how many people say here ronin is good and they like him already and only wanted kabam not to make him worse, why are people so disappointed? On the other hand, idk why bother with it in a first place. Like if you intend to change nothing, rather work on some other champ. Add pause timer on sps for rogue, increase hood base attack, decrease nebula charge timer like Gambit and let her consume shock while below 3 charges, not only the 3 pet fight. You know, simple things
You answered your own question. Hoping Kabam don't make their most "balanced" champion worse after a rebalance is an incredibly low standard.
I did not. My point is they managed to hold to that standard. That's not bad already. When you expect bad thing and it's not happening, you should usually feel relieved, not disappointed
You asked,why are people so disappointed and it's precisely because of how little was changed which was your 2nd para. None of the changes are significant except for the one which nerfs him against Bleed Immune champs. All of this could have been done with a synergy or something and the buff spot could have been someone else such as Psycho-Man, Mister Sinister,etc.
No one or not many people wanted a Ronin buff but since they decided to buff them, well people expected a solid upgrade. Not what we got.
And again, why in the first place should we be expecting a bad thing from these updates? Just because Kabam messed up one or two buffs we can HOPE that the same doesn't happen with other buffs but that's not our expectation and that's not the standard most of us as a playerbase want when dealing with buffs.
I think most here are overreacting, yes the cruelty cap on bleed immune is meh but really isn’t that big of a deal just means u will retain his play style of gaining them the normal way in all fights gaining 1 extra per combo.
- His fury on s3 went up a bit so he’s gonna hit even harder after s3 - his bleeds got shorter making his interactions with deep wounds way more significant buffing his bleeds - now can achieve 100% aa in a pinch - The evade on sig only consumes 3 and has longer evade window as well as the fury he gains is better from that too, so abusing it to evade a tricky sp like gunshots from war machine will gain a bunch of fury - The crit on intercept doubled so his backdraft intercept play style will result in more damage and more bleeds naturally
It’s not like they were buffing a noodle I feel these tweaks are enough to take him from good to great. This one reminds me most of the masacre update, just enough to bring them into relevancy.
@Kabam Miike and the team hopefully u realize not all the forum is raging some are appreciative of what we are getting, i plan on r2ing mine soon with this buff. My only issue is before I didn’t feel like I missed the awaken but now wish he was lol
I think most here are overreacting, yes the cruelty cap on bleed immune is meh but really isn’t that big of a deal just means u will retain his play style of gaining them the normal way in all fights gaining 1 extra per combo.
- His fury on s3 went up a bit so he’s gonna hit even harder after s3 - his bleeds got shorter making his interactions with deep wounds way more significant buffing his bleeds - now can achieve 100% aa in a pinch - The evade on sig only consumes 3 and has longer evade window as well as the fury he gains is better from that too, so abusing it to evade a tricky sp like gunshots from war machine will gain a bunch of fury - The crit on intercept doubled so his backdraft intercept play style will result in more damage and more bleeds naturally
It’s not like they were buffing a noodle I feel these tweaks are enough to take him from good to great. This one reminds me most of the masacre update, just enough to bring them into relevancy.
@Kabam Miike and the team hopefully u realize not all the forum is raging some are appreciative of what we are getting, i plan on r2ing mine soon with this buff. My only issue is before I didn’t feel like I missed the awaken but now wish he was lol
The furies from evade got worse? And this definitely wont make people use my boy. He will stay pretty unused by people who didnt already love him.
Oh ok your right they did go down but still think the 3 cruelty cost will make it much more usable he will be very safe to play once u get to the first 3 if he’s awakened. I think that alone will help him more than the small furies. The s3 playstyle will still be the way to go for damage.
I know he was always on my radar for r2 cause he’s so damn fun, I’m at a point where that’s how I keep the game interesting, ranking up fun champs. My roster can basically already counter anything as I’ve got all content 100%. Fun rank ups to run through side quests and the occasional lanes keeps the game fresh, ronin is a crazy fun champ.
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Not everyone is going to get a Magneto level buff but at the same time how do you know that this is going to stop more champions from having reworks that they don't need and suddenly we have the forums up in arms like we did with the initial releases of Daredevil Hell's Kitchen or Yellow Jacket or even Hood 2.0?
I was hoping AAR in any stance instead of Sp1 dependency when we have champs like Crossbone and Falcon has easy access to it.
Damage is nice but we were waiting to tune up in his utilities.
Fury timer is also stressful to manage.
On the other hand, idk why bother with it in a first place. Like if you intend to change nothing, rather work on some other champ. Add pause timer on sps for rogue, increase hood base attack, decrease nebula charge timer like Gambit and let her consume shock while below 3 charges, not only the 3 pet fight. You know, simple things
I’ll wait for gameplay to form an opinion on the Ronin buff, but I’m genuinely excited for any buff. It’s just, eeeeeeeeehhhhh we want OG champs buffed so bad.
I reckon there's a decent chance it will be again...
They need to make it slightly harder to kill yourself with him (maybe extend the time he can hold max Power based on his Sig) and up the numbers on his Prowess and healing; then he'll start to look okay.
No one or not many people wanted a Ronin buff but since they decided to buff them, well people expected a solid upgrade. Not what we got.
And again, why in the first place should we be expecting a bad thing from these updates? Just because Kabam messed up one or two buffs we can HOPE that the same doesn't happen with other buffs but that's not our expectation and that's not the standard most of us as a playerbase want when dealing with buffs.
- His fury on s3 went up a bit so he’s gonna hit even harder after s3
- his bleeds got shorter making his interactions with deep wounds way more significant buffing his bleeds
- now can achieve 100% aa in a pinch
- The evade on sig only consumes 3 and has longer evade window as well as the fury he gains is better from that too, so abusing it to evade a tricky sp like gunshots from war machine will gain a bunch of fury
- The crit on intercept doubled so his backdraft intercept play style will result in more damage and more bleeds naturally
It’s not like they were buffing a noodle I feel these tweaks are enough to take him from good to great. This one reminds me most of the masacre update, just enough to bring them into relevancy.
@Kabam Miike and the team hopefully u realize not all the forum is raging some are appreciative of what we are getting, i plan on r2ing mine soon with this buff. My only issue is before I didn’t feel like I missed the awaken but now wish he was lol
I know he was always on my radar for r2 cause he’s so damn fun, I’m at a point where that’s how I keep the game interesting, ranking up fun champs. My roster can basically already counter anything as I’ve got all content 100%. Fun rank ups to run through side quests and the occasional lanes keeps the game fresh, ronin is a crazy fun champ.