Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Don’t even bother… chatterform is clearly a troll. Not worth responding. It’s like if one person doesn’t see the issues that 1000s see, they will never be able to understand your problem.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
no not really Chatter, i was gonna post something snide about it, but i bit my tongue. Confrontation isnt whats needed, but i suggest instead of having the mentality of an ostrich, maybe look around. Maybe you dont have issues, but denying something just cuz you havent seen it does not make the issue redundant.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
no not really Chatter, i was gonna post something snide about it, but i bit my tongue. Confrontation isnt whats needed, but i suggest instead of having the mentality of an ostrich, maybe look around. Maybe you dont have issues, but denying something just cuz you havent seen it does not make the issue redundant.
The person who said "LOL Mr super skill over here. What's your profile again" doesn't want confirmation?
But seriously, if you or others still can't figure out how to successfully bait the defender, I literally did a video a couple years ago on how to bait the defender back when I still used to do MCOC yt vids.
I'm not denying that there doesn't appear to be some changes in ai over the past several months, but people just need to adapt. With proper baiting it's still very easy to get defender to throw specials. I wouldn't be at 100% exploration of all game content without proper baiting.
I can't believe that there are people defending an issue that people have been talking for over a year -.- the AI clearly gets super passive with their specials when there's a node like degen or power gain, eop hercules and crossbones are the perfect exemple of that, these two fights were disgusting because of the passive AI....combining the amount of time that this keeps happening with kabam quiet about, their only response is that they didn't change the ai or it's a bug from the input system (i did saw more than once they blame the input system for the issues with the AI profile, but then why not fix it? It's been too long)....combining these two i just think it's intended at this point, honestly i'm just tired of seeing that in the foruns and the response will be the same, i think next eop we'll have another passive AI and the response will be the same (IF they actually respond)...to me they're like: ''let's just ignore everything and when the thread becomes too big, we'll deny ''
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
Just complementing the thought, mysterio is another one that seems to have an unique AI with his random heavies out of nowhere, even if u're not blocking
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
You make a lot of bad assumptions don't you. First you assumed I had a trash account then you assumed I haven't done high tier aw. I spent years in upper aw tiers but didn't feel it was worth the effort and been semi retired for a year or longer now.
It's amazing how someone who tries so hard to act smart makes so many very bad and uneducated assumptions.
Also, maybe read a little better on some of my comments. I've never said ai hasn't changed in fact I've said it has changed. Your arguing something I never disagrees with.
I'm saying, that someone decent at baiting can still bait out specials without pushing a defender to s3, which was the point of the topic to beging with. I agree it does take more effort than it used to, but again (and I'm repeating this for you since you seem to have missed it previous times I've said it) that I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
I agree it does take more effort than it used to
I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
These two statements contradict. We are saying that it takes more effort than it used to?
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
You make a lot of bad assumptions don't you. First you assumed I had a trash account then you assumed I haven't done high tier aw. I spent years in master aw but didn't feel it was worth the effort and been semi retired for a year or longer now.
It's amazing how someone who tries so hard to act smart makes so many very bad and uneducated assumptions.
Also, maybe read a little better on some of my comments. I've never said ai hasn't changed in fact I've said it has changed. Your arguing something I never disagrees with.
I'm saying, that someone decent at baiting can still bait out specials without pushing a defender to s3, which was the point of the topic to beging with. I agree it does take more effort than it used to, but again (and I'm repeating this for you since you seem to have missed it previous times I've said it) that I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
Then whats the point of your arguing? are you arguing for arguing's sake? I dont get it. Again, experience is in the NOW. Nobody said it is "impossible" to bait. Ai is just more stingy and thats it. lol. What is your point again? git gud?
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
You make a lot of bad assumptions don't you. First you assumed I had a trash account then you assumed I haven't done high tier aw. I spent years in master aw but didn't feel it was worth the effort and been semi retired for a year or longer now.
It's amazing how someone who tries so hard to act smart makes so many very bad and uneducated assumptions.
Also, maybe read a little better on some of my comments. I've never said ai hasn't changed in fact I've said it has changed. Your arguing something I never disagrees with.
I'm saying, that someone decent at baiting can still bait out specials without pushing a defender to s3, which was the point of the topic to beging with. I agree it does take more effort than it used to, but again (and I'm repeating this for you since you seem to have missed it previous times I've said it) that I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
Then whats the point of your arguing? are you arguing for arguing's sake? I dont get it. Again, experience is in the NOW. Nobody said it is "impossible" to bait. Ai is just more stingy and thats it. lol. What is your point again? git gud?
One can ask you what your point of arguing is? And why do you get so angry, you make many false assumptions, you call people names and just seem very aggressive.
People did say they could bait without hitting s3, that's how this topic started. You read what you want and ignore what doesn't support your argument. You can very easily stop arguing with me you know, but you clearly are taking this personal based on the name calling on weird assumptions you make.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
You make a lot of bad assumptions don't you. First you assumed I had a trash account then you assumed I haven't done high tier aw. I spent years in master aw but didn't feel it was worth the effort and been semi retired for a year or longer now.
It's amazing how someone who tries so hard to act smart makes so many very bad and uneducated assumptions.
Also, maybe read a little better on some of my comments. I've never said ai hasn't changed in fact I've said it has changed. Your arguing something I never disagrees with.
I'm saying, that someone decent at baiting can still bait out specials without pushing a defender to s3, which was the point of the topic to beging with. I agree it does take more effort than it used to, but again (and I'm repeating this for you since you seem to have missed it previous times I've said it) that I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
Then whats the point of your arguing? are you arguing for arguing's sake? I dont get it. Again, experience is in the NOW. Nobody said it is "impossible" to bait. Ai is just more stingy and thats it. lol. What is your point again? git gud?
One can ask you what your point of arguing is? And why do you get so angry, you make many false assumptions, you call people names and just seem very aggressive.
People did say they could bait without hitting s3, that's how this topic started. You read what you want and ignore what doesn't support your argument. You can very easily stop arguing with me you know, but you clearly are taking this personal based on the name calling on weird assumptions you make.
welp, likewise. All good though. And i have read the arguments before typing in everything. I wont further this argument with you since it is pointless, and your feelings seem to have gotten hurt over "aggression".
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Why are you still attacking them when they are close to 3 bars of power is the real question?
Who said I'm attacking them when they are close to L3? Sometimes they get to L3 by themselves you know? We all know power gainers like Hype and others just love to do that and this meta in BGs there is a ton of power gain so after a few crits they'll get to L3 by themselves if they won't throw specials.
So than your issue would be a niche not too often problem if your only having the issue in those situations but that is not at all how your phraed your issue
Sounds to me like you don't know how to bait out specials very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at baiting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Wow, what a completely tone-deaf comment. The whole “I don’t have this problem so it must not be one” mindset make no sense.
Sounds to me like you don't know how to comment very well as I never have this issue, but then again, I'm very good at commenting (which isn't too hard to begin with).
Or instead of it being tone-deaf comment, maybe it's educating that you need to practice more on successful baiting. Just because your not good at baiting doesn't mean something is wrong with the ai.
Maybe you need to educate yourself how to properly behave. AI is inconsistent as hell, there is no point in denying that, add it to miserable inputs, and you cant play this game properly. Bet you are uncollected lol
Do you think if this was a real common issue then people wouldn't be screaming it from the roof tops with forums flooded with posts and yt vids everywhere on it?
I'm glad you asked!
Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
A few comments from the thread: "issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
Far from proves anything, I can find ten times more posts claiming RNG rigged, doesn't make it true. Also, why no response on me responding to your request to show you my profile? Ignored that when blew your theory out of water didn't you.
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I’ll ask you this then. Say I went and found a recording of someone finding it hard to bait specials, how will that help this argument?
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Show me several fights of real baiting in various game modes. I mean real baiting, not standing around holding block, which I've literally seen many people claim that as trying to bait. And I don't mean waiting until defender is at 2.95 bars of power.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
Well, since you are seemingly being snide, i'll bite. Not only have Bittersteel and I done all content in the game, we also do something you havent... played in higher tier alliance war.
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2. there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
You make a lot of bad assumptions don't you. First you assumed I had a trash account then you assumed I haven't done high tier aw. I spent years in master aw but didn't feel it was worth the effort and been semi retired for a year or longer now.
It's amazing how someone who tries so hard to act smart makes so many very bad and uneducated assumptions.
Also, maybe read a little better on some of my comments. I've never said ai hasn't changed in fact I've said it has changed. Your arguing something I never disagrees with.
I'm saying, that someone decent at baiting can still bait out specials without pushing a defender to s3, which was the point of the topic to beging with. I agree it does take more effort than it used to, but again (and I'm repeating this for you since you seem to have missed it previous times I've said it) that I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
Then whats the point of your arguing? are you arguing for arguing's sake? I dont get it. Again, experience is in the NOW. Nobody said it is "impossible" to bait. Ai is just more stingy and thats it. lol. What is your point again? git gud?
One can ask you what your point of arguing is? And why do you get so angry, you make many false assumptions, you call people names and just seem very aggressive.
People did say they could bait without hitting s3, that's how this topic started. You read what you want and ignore what doesn't support your argument. You can very easily stop arguing with me you know, but you clearly are taking this personal based on the name calling on weird assumptions you make.
welp, likewise. All good though. And i have read the arguments before typing in everything. I wont further this argument with you since it is pointless, and your feelings seem to have gotten hurt over "aggression".
Very good job at repeating back to me exactly what I said to you, lol. You remind me of someone who says something like "I'm rubber, your glue, whatever bounces off me sticks to you". Maybe that's what you say on the next reply to me as you and I both know your ego prevents you from not having the last word.
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Yes, people have been talking about this for the last year, I'm not sure how you've not seen it (in fact, I actually saw you answer in a few of them, so you may have just forgotten - but people are talking about it)
See this thread from Nov 2021 by @DrZola https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/287939/ai-tweaks-and-the-effectiveness-of-taunt/p1
Where he was having trouble taunting defenders to throw specials, though I suspect in hindsight the issue is less with taunt and more with the AI not throwing specials as often.
A few comments from the thread:
"issues with the passive AI started with the current update. Enemies in 7.2 and Cavalier difficulty in EQ take longer than they should to throw their specials"
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"I was playing around with spam in act 7. The ai there should be fairly aggressive, but they wouldn’t throw their specials even while taunted."
"AI just refuses to throw specials making it unbelievably frustrating and long."
Just to show you that it wasn't just a one-week issue, it didn't get answered so I kept the thread alive and asked for confirmation (because I was still feeling the AI being hesitant to throw specials). 6 months later I was posting this "Thought this could do with a bump seeing as it’s nearly 6 months since it was posted... [the AI is] being so against throwing specials, spending up to a minute baiting specials in time sensitive content is so demoralising".
In May of this year we were still seeing comments like "the #1 thing that has been SO apparent is the inability to get specials thrown ESPECIALLY when you need to bait it .. degen nodes, battlegrounds timer etc etc .. in all areas of the game, the AI just refuses to be baited almost 30+ seconds to bait is ridiculous."
These issues have not gone away, and people still bring them up
May 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/304484/gotta-love-defensive-ai
June 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/307704/holding-special
June 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/306512/sq-ai-super-reluctant-to-throw-specials
July 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/308367/nodes-with-degen-timers-or-timers-period-should-be-stopped
July 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2128535#Comment_2128535
August https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/311522/ai-is-a-lot-stingy-with-specials-lately/p1
September 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/313919/still-issues-with-baiting-specials-especially-in-battleground
September 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2165000#Comment_2165000
October 22 https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2175064#Comment_2175064
I can find more if you'd like?
I'll give credit bitter found a good amount of posts, but out of those not a single piece of anything even remotely close to proof or showing how they can't bait specials.
I feel like if I show you a recording of trying to bait out specials for 30-45 seconds or so, that you’d just say “oh well that’s one example”. I could find 10 and you would say “well I haven’t had issues” or “here’s an example of me baiting out specials really easily”.
So let’s try it this way. You define your level of proof needed. How can I change your mind that this isn’t a big coincidental culmination of people coming to the same conclusion?
What is the bar of evidence needed to show you there is an issue baiting specials?
Me waiting for the AI to use special be like
But seriously, if you or others still can't figure out how to successfully bait the defender, I literally did a video a couple years ago on how to bait the defender back when I still used to do MCOC yt vids.
I'm not denying that there doesn't appear to be some changes in ai over the past several months, but people just need to adapt. With proper baiting it's still very easy to get defender to throw specials. I wouldn't be at 100% exploration of all game content without proper baiting.
Proper baiting takes practice and is impacted by blocking, by spacing, by dashing, etc. A good baiter starts very early on power bars to bait. As soon as power hits two bars, I immediately stop landing attacks and hit into block only for space as needed. If it's power gaining defnders or node as soon as they have one bar of power I start baiting.
If I don't have an issue, I'm clearly doing something different than those who are complaining about it. I play this game on 3 different devices and have beat and explored everything in the game? So does the game ai just like me better than the rest of you or am I doing something more effective when it comes to baiting because I took time to figure it out?
from personal experience, AI baiting has become tougher and tougher over the past year. the AI has had increased and different profiles based off nodes, and characters. There are some champs where is ai is incredibly easy to predict, but some where champs just absolutely love to do certain weird things.
A great example is the evolution of the Chavez AI. In earlier times, Chavez would be easier to bait and a normal champ. Now however, she has the AI off triggering her modes specifically. Ive faced Chavez who would heavy from across the map when im not holding block. Ive had Chavez AI literally take me from her end to my own with heavies, trigger 3 modes, sp1 into sp2.
there is also the evolution of the doom AI, and his slaps when shocks are on the opponent. Now doom AI is gonna heavy like chavez anytime a shock is on, even if he is far away.
That aside, AI takes far longer now to bait specials, and is usually far more stingy when powergain is involved. There is a reason why infuriate is a thing, and why kitty/tigra/herc/scorpion are so huge in top tier AW. Again, maybe, realize what your experiences are, arent the whole picture.
It's amazing how someone who tries so hard to act smart makes so many very bad and uneducated assumptions.
Also, maybe read a little better on some of my comments. I've never said ai hasn't changed in fact I've said it has changed. Your arguing something I never disagrees with.
I'm saying, that someone decent at baiting can still bait out specials without pushing a defender to s3, which was the point of the topic to beging with. I agree it does take more effort than it used to, but again (and I'm repeating this for you since you seem to have missed it previous times I've said it) that I'm not arguing that ai is more stingy than in the past.
Again, experience is in the NOW. Nobody said it is "impossible" to bait. Ai is just more stingy and thats it. lol. What is your point again? git gud?
People did say they could bait without hitting s3, that's how this topic started. You read what you want and ignore what doesn't support your argument. You can very easily stop arguing with me you know, but you clearly are taking this personal based on the name calling on weird assumptions you make.
The round that had power gain nodes.. suspicious much?