It’s honestly frustrating the decisions Kabam makes. I like many people decided to save some of my elders marks for season 2. In the same way I don’t spend all my loyalty within every season or all my glory.
If Kabam wants to take the decision to increase entry to 90 elders marks, everyone’s current stock of elders mark should be inflated by 6 to make it comparable. If we would have been informed our elders marks value would be significantly deflated, I would have used them in season 1 to get a few ranks higher. As it stands I would have 40 BG entries using elders marks under season 1 rules, but with the deflated value it would only be 17 entries.
I’ll be honest, I don’t really know if the rest of the battlegrounds update is better. They might be amazing additions but I’m a bit soured on the game at the moment and it’s making me see everything through a negative lense.
I'm confused why you're looking at the cost, and not the difference in points? You need fewer entries to get significantly more points with the new cost. The number of entries isn't what matters here, it's about how far those Elder's Marks take you compared to what they did before.
Clarification on the points/ scoring system would be appreciated because as far I can see this is what has happened.
Entry cost: 15 - 90 (6x increase)
Solo objective Match complete: 800 - 2250 (2.81x increase) Match won: 1250 - 4500 (3.6 x increase)
Alliance objective Match complete: 600 - 2250 ( 3.75 x increase) Match won: 1200 - 4500 (3.75 x increase)
Across all we get an average points increase of 3.4775 ( (2.81+3.6+3.75+3.75) /4)
Granted placing champs with specific tags will increase the points we can acquire however we had this before and all have seen simple multipliers as above. You also need to take into consideration that the win is far more important and champs will be picked on there effectiveness, not what tag they are.
Personally this doesn’t affect me as I have no intention of purchasing elders marks but from what I can see just from looking at multipliers, though the points have increased the “value” of elders marks has dropped because of the great increase in entry cost in proportion to the increase in points. Not to mention the multiple of 2.6 for current elder mark conversion not being inline with the multiplier in points for season 2.
The only explanation I can see for the low conversion ratio for elder marks is that the points you are now able to acquire from using energy are being factored into the equation, which in fairness to people who purchased/ purchase elder marks shouldn’t be taken into consideration. Especially considering the decision was made to lock all the rewards behind a massive paywall through elder marks ( before anyone complains I am not bothered by it in the slightest and have no desire to spend money to compete for those rewards) and that it hasn’t been reiterated in this post as mentioned for the season 1 changes that at the event of the event alliance and solo score will be multiplied by 3 for season 1 & 2.
In summary I think clarification on how the decision to increase the cost of entry for elders marks and the conversion rate used is not an unreasonable thing to ask.
I'm a bit salty, cuz I would've competed for higher ranks if the reward structure for skill based aspect was not crumbs. Mysterium 1 and I just stopped. Didnt want to push for 1-2k tokens, I was also in the fear of modders who were all ahead of me in standings.
The real win is still the AG for many of us and that's beind EMs, I don't know if I can reach there just by skill.
I really don't want to complain because of the reason Kabam took actions and did a full makeover of BG store. IMO BG store is OP or maybe too OP LMAO, getting access to such great rewards, I never thought of me getting those easily as f2p. BG store took care of shards, sigs, t5b, t2a, t4cc, t5c top up on demand, r4 mats on demand.
Could we have got an AG or SIG's for ranking high in real GC standings? Idk I'm only sore(lil bit only) about solo mode AG. Maybe I can get the rank if I can spend some units on them. Maybe it's worth some unit investment. Will see how things turns out after this season.
BGs is the best game mode, as it requires not much time commitment for every single player to have fun in it.
Thinking out loud here. Lol I do have some issue but on the other side I'm completely satisfied from the BG store too.
No one is going to talk about solo event rank rewards ? Maximum 6 star shards is now 10k ! Why ? Top 500 was 25k before
My guess would be because of the massive increase in tokens, you can now easily get the 15k extra (and more) from the BGs store. That’s not limited to top 500, and you don’t need to grind a ton for it.
Season 1 - You could buy 1550 elder marks for 1450 units. This would allow you to play 103 elder mark matches roughly.
Season 2 If you want to play 103 elder mark matches it will now cost you 3,972 units roughly
Why are you playing those many matches?
To finish high in solo rank rewards
It's the same for everybody. You aren't losing out on anything
I never said I was losing out. if people want to run the same amount of elder matches they did last season it will be more expensive unit wise that’s a fact.
Season 1 - You could buy 1550 elder marks for 1450 units. This would allow you to play 103 elder mark matches roughly.
Season 2 If you want to play 103 elder mark matches it will now cost you 3,972 units roughly
Why are you playing those many matches?
To finish high in solo rank rewards
It's the same for everybody. You aren't losing out on anything
I never said I was losing out. if people want to run the same amount of elder matches they did last season it will be more expensive unit wise that’s a fact.
There is no point to running the same amount of matches is the point. " It's expensive" if you do unnecessary wastage. That's on you . Not due to any change kabam made
Season 1 - You could buy 1550 elder marks for 1450 units. This would allow you to play 103 elder mark matches roughly.
Season 2 If you want to play 103 elder mark matches it will now cost you 3,972 units roughly
Why are you playing those many matches?
To finish high in solo rank rewards
It's the same for everybody. You aren't losing out on anything
I never said I was losing out. if people want to run the same amount of elder matches they did last season it will be more expensive unit wise that’s a fact.
There is no point to running the same amount of matches is the point. " It's expensive" if you do unnecessary wastage. That's on you . Not due to any change kabam made
So you are assuming the people that pushed for solo rank rewards will play less elder matches this season? I don’t see that happening.
Also please get rid of the option to accept/decline a found match... This is where you allow collusion to come into play. You should be able to cancel the matchmaking while they system is still looking but by putting in that extra 10 second window when a match is found w/ the countdown timer, that is what allows collusion and shady matchmaking to occur. There is no need for it.
And just be very clear... This is what should be removed from Battlegrounds to prevent as much collusion as possible in the competitive matches you do in Victory Track/Gladiator Circuit
Can someone tell me how this helps with colluding? I seriously don’t understand since you don’t see who your opponent is, but I’ve seen tons of people mention it.
Also please get rid of the option to accept/decline a found match... This is where you allow collusion to come into play. You should be able to cancel the matchmaking while they system is still looking but by putting in that extra 10 second window when a match is found w/ the countdown timer, that is what allows collusion and shady matchmaking to occur. There is no need for it.
And just be very clear... This is what should be removed from Battlegrounds to prevent as much collusion as possible in the competitive matches you do in Victory Track/Gladiator Circuit
Can someone tell me how this helps with colluding? I seriously don’t understand since you don’t see who your opponent is, but I’ve seen tons of people mention it.
If I have two accounts on two phones and I’m wanting to match them together, I click find match on both at the same time.
If one of them finds a match and the other doesn’t, I know they haven’t matched. So I click decline match and try again until they both get a match at the same time.
No one is going to talk about solo event rank rewards ? Maximum 6 star shards is now 10k ! Why ? Top 500 was 25k before
Yeah this quite a big change. While every other change seems to be in a positive direction, this is very out of the blue.
I assume that was the counter-part of buffing the store, by increasing the purchase limits and decreasing the cost. Basically they took the shards from the rank rewards and added them in the store instead
It’s honestly frustrating the decisions Kabam makes. I like many people decided to save some of my elders marks for season 2. In the same way I don’t spend all my loyalty within every season or all my glory.
If Kabam wants to take the decision to increase entry to 90 elders marks, everyone’s current stock of elders mark should be inflated by 6 to make it comparable. If we would have been informed our elders marks value would be significantly deflated, I would have used them in season 1 to get a few ranks higher. As it stands I would have 40 BG entries using elders marks under season 1 rules, but with the deflated value it would only be 17 entries.
I’ll be honest, I don’t really know if the rest of the battlegrounds update is better. They might be amazing additions but I’m a bit soured on the game at the moment and it’s making me see everything through a negative lense.
I'm confused why you're looking at the cost, and not the difference in points? You need fewer entries to get significantly more points with the new cost. The number of entries isn't what matters here, it's about how far those Elder's Marks take you compared to what they did before.
What’s confusing Does Kabam really not see the difference? If you pay 6 times as much to get 6 times as much, you also risk 6 times as much. 1 match lost costs you 6 matches. Where you would’ve had 5 additional matches to make up for the one. Even with a reduced cost, you’ve increased the amount that can be spent in a given amount of time. $$$ the number one complaint was pay to play. Playing the shell game doesn’t change that it’s still a system that ensures that playing alone will not give anyone a chance to be competitive.
Also please get rid of the option to accept/decline a found match... This is where you allow collusion to come into play. You should be able to cancel the matchmaking while they system is still looking but by putting in that extra 10 second window when a match is found w/ the countdown timer, that is what allows collusion and shady matchmaking to occur. There is no need for it.
And just be very clear... This is what should be removed from Battlegrounds to prevent as much collusion as possible in the competitive matches you do in Victory Track/Gladiator Circuit
Can someone tell me how this helps with colluding? I seriously don’t understand since you don’t see who your opponent is, but I’ve seen tons of people mention it.
When you are at the top matchmaking is not easy, it takes some time to find a match...So imagine you have 2 mod accounts and 1 real account, you will farm points with mod accounts then you will match with your main account and lose with the main account to give it points... For that you just need 2 devices, when you press matchmaking you will see the timer in both devices if it's a similar timer you will accept if not you reject it and try again until you get the correct matching timer...I got several consecutive rejections like this many times in the last season because people most probably were trying to match their mod accounts at the top to give points to their main account. And yeah people were doing stuff like this quite obviously.
Even if i dont think this is the perfect changes, i do think they did a good job.
If you cannot do the maths properly, you cannot say its not working and bla bla.
Guys, do the maths, now, in general (with a win ratio of 50%) if you play around 105 matches (with the elder marks given for free) and the rest with energy, you will reach the top milestone from alliance (if every 30 players do the same thing) and for solo event.
Just chill and play, its soooo many better than the first season.
My only issue is why did they lessen the 6 star shards on solo rankings? I regretted not using my Elder Marks last season because I have alliance mates who just did like less than 10 matches and got 10k 6 star shards.
Now all top 1000 will get the same 10k shards only? Am I missing something here? This is kinda disappointing.
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Entry cost: 15 - 90 (6x increase)
Solo objective
Match complete: 800 - 2250 (2.81x increase)
Match won: 1250 - 4500 (3.6 x increase)
Alliance objective
Match complete: 600 - 2250 ( 3.75 x increase)
Match won: 1200 - 4500 (3.75 x increase)
Across all we get an average points increase of 3.4775 ( (2.81+3.6+3.75+3.75) /4)
Granted placing champs with specific tags will increase the points we can acquire however we had this before and all have seen simple multipliers as above. You also need to take into consideration that the win is far more important and champs will be picked on there effectiveness, not what tag they are.
Personally this doesn’t affect me as I have no intention of purchasing elders marks but from what I can see just from looking at multipliers, though the points have increased the “value” of elders marks has dropped because of the great increase in entry cost in proportion to the increase in points. Not to mention the multiple of 2.6 for current elder mark conversion not being inline with the multiplier in points for season 2.
The only explanation I can see for the low conversion ratio for elder marks is that the points you are now able to acquire from using energy are being factored into the equation, which in fairness to people who purchased/ purchase elder marks shouldn’t be taken into consideration. Especially considering the decision was made to lock all the rewards behind a massive paywall through elder marks ( before anyone complains I am not bothered by it in the slightest and have no desire to spend money to compete for those rewards) and that it hasn’t been reiterated in this post as mentioned for the season 1 changes that at the event of the event alliance and solo score will be multiplied by 3 for season 1 & 2.
In summary I think clarification on how the decision to increase the cost of entry for elders marks and the conversion rate used is not an unreasonable thing to ask.
The real win is still the AG for many of us and that's beind EMs,
I don't know if I can reach there just by skill.
I really don't want to complain because of the reason Kabam took actions and did a full makeover of BG store.
IMO BG store is OP or maybe too OP LMAO, getting access to such great rewards, I never thought of me getting those easily as f2p.
BG store took care of shards, sigs, t5b, t2a, t4cc, t5c top up on demand, r4 mats on demand.
Could we have got an AG or SIG's for ranking high in real GC standings? Idk
I'm only sore(lil bit only) about solo mode AG.
Maybe I can get the rank if I can spend some units on them. Maybe it's worth some unit investment. Will see how things turns out after this season.
BGs is the best game mode, as it requires not much time commitment for every single player to have fun in it.
Thinking out loud here. Lol
I do have some issue but on the other side I'm completely satisfied from the BG store too.
If one of them finds a match and the other doesn’t, I know they haven’t matched. So I click decline match and try again until they both get a match at the same time.
Basically they took the shards from the rank rewards and added them in the store instead
Does Kabam really not see the difference? If you pay 6 times as much to get 6 times as much, you also risk 6 times as much. 1 match lost costs you 6 matches. Where you would’ve had 5 additional matches to make up for the one. Even with a reduced cost, you’ve increased the amount that can be spent in a given amount of time. $$$ the number one complaint was pay to play. Playing the shell game doesn’t change that it’s still a system that ensures that playing alone will not give anyone a chance to be competitive.
If you cannot do the maths properly, you cannot say its not working and bla bla.
Guys, do the maths, now, in general (with a win ratio of 50%) if you play around 105 matches (with the elder marks given for free) and the rest with energy, you will reach the top milestone from alliance (if every 30 players do the same thing) and for solo event.
Just chill and play, its soooo many better than the first season.
Now all top 1000 will get the same 10k shards only? Am I missing something here? This is kinda disappointing.