Personally, I don’t currently like the nodes. I’m getting mullered every fight. Having said that I have a month to work out what champs to best use on defence and attack. I have a fairly solid paragon roster but I generally only use the same champs. This will help push me out of comfort zone to use newer champs that I have ranked up but don’t really use.
Feedback on the 1st day will likely be different to feedback on the last day. When it comes to BG the cream of the crop rises first. Let the better players get promoted and it’ll be easier in a week or 2.
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Honestly your reply proves how bad this Meta is. I agree we need to optimize our decks but not everyone have that diverse roster so Kabam wants only top whale to be playing the BG now? Or Kabam is offering chances to get those uique counters? Whats the plan to make BGs more accessible to larger communities? Should we have level based Meta where lower tier player gets a little easier Meta or is Kabam thinking one size fits all?
I have a pretty decent roster but still feel this Meta is very restrictive and will only be doable by handfull of players..
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Personally, I don’t currently like the nodes. I’m getting mullered every fight. Having said that I have a month to work out what champs to best use on defence and attack. I have a fairly solid paragon roster but I generally only use the same champs. This will help push me out of comfort zone to use newer champs that I have ranked up but don’t really use.
Feedback on the 1st day will likely be different to feedback on the last day. When it comes to BG the cream of the crop rises first. Let the better players get promoted and it’ll be easier in a week or 2.
This!!! I too have a pretty decent roster & while I'm annoyed & frustrated ATM, I'm looking forward to stepping out of my champion "comfort zone" & ranking up & learning some champions that are just gathering dust in the roster closet. I usually wait a few days, just get 2 days rewards, & start my grind round week 2 & 1/2. This time I went right in & got cooked. Came here to rant then found this, so thank you
Meh I have a diverse roster that can handle it but you still get trapped pending the draft. To many armour up and not enough neutralise and you'll still lose or vice versa. Guess those shuffle tokens got more valuable.
What I did is the simplest solution. This bg meta imo is 0 fun. 0 fun = 0 participation by me.
If you truly don't like it and enough people stop playing it will change.
To each their own though. People that love it have fun.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
If I remember correctly, the Bulwark meta had an armor break immunity node… So it was not about the champs that the players had (armor break champs) but about the skilled playstyle (win without hitting opponent’s block)…
This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.
The thing is, with previous metas, a certain playstyle was required and if you could adopt to that certain playstyle, you could do well… Like, don’t hit block… etc.
Now, this new meta renders 2/3 of the champions useless in battlegrounds, at least on attack… That’s a new level…
I guess any moaning on the forum will have no effect. Maybe, when Kabam analyse the match results and see that sooo many fights are lost, and players lose the fund an interest, maybe they change something…
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
If I remember correctly, the Bulwark meta had an armor break immunity node… So it was not about the champs that the players had (armor break champs) but about the skilled playstyle (win without hitting opponent’s block)…
This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.
Yes and no. Champs that gained Armor Ups on their Own (being struck or otherwise) were the top Defenders for that Season, so you still had to play around it.
This meta is really hard to deal with but if you pause your matches you’re no better than modders and sandbaggers. Pausing needs to be removed from BG fights, I hope Kabam is listening
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
If I remember correctly, the Bulwark meta had an armor break immunity node… So it was not about the champs that the players had (armor break champs) but about the skilled playstyle (win without hitting opponent’s block)…
This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.
Yes and no. Champs that gained Armor Ups on their Own (being struck or otherwise) were the top Defenders for that Season, so you still had to play around it.
Yes and no… You had to play around it… This time you can’t, if you don’t have the right champs…
Electric defense alone was there it would be tolerable but adding it to hit me I dare you it makes the mode almost unplayable apart from specific counters. If hit me I dare you is changed the mode would be a lot better.
Electric defense alone was there it would be tolerable but adding it to hit me I dare you it makes the mode almost unplayable apart from specific counters. If hit me I dare you is changed the mode would be a lot better.
Exactly! Either remove hit me I dare you or atleast make the armor up last not as long
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?
That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?
Yes, the new nodes are horrible and limit the champ selection a bit too much. I have most of the needed champs, but it still is a bit more up to RNG than normal to get the right champs.
Part of the issue is also matchmaking. My baby account is 3 tiers ahead of my main which is ridiculous as the account sucks. In a mode that has tiered based rewards, you need to be able to match with anyone within that tier. Either that or you need to not lose your progress with each loss.
I have had friendly matches with people in my alliance that are in Plat already while I just got to silver. The matches haven’t even been close, I think this is something to think about as they continue to make adjustments.
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Not everyone has stacked decks most of the fresh Uncollected/Cav Players are getting destroyed by Vets because their rosters are not nearly as developed to counter such specific nodes that is pretty much a guarantee loss if you don’t have a counter.
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Not everyone has stacked decks most of the fresh Uncollected/Cav Players are getting destroyed by Vets because their rosters are not nearly as developed to counter such specific nodes that is pretty much a guarantee loss if you don’t have a counter.
That's rubbish. "Vets" I.e. paragons, get matched against paragons, even in bronze III. In victory track, you uncollected and cav players are still (unfairly in my view) only being matched by prestige.
You're not matching my r4 & r3 with 3 r2 deck.
So if you're losing, it's not that they are "vets".
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Not everyone has stacked decks most of the fresh Uncollected/Cav Players are getting destroyed by Vets because their rosters are not nearly as developed to counter such specific nodes that is pretty much a guarantee loss if you don’t have a counter.
That's rubbish. "Vets" I.e. paragons, get matched against paragons, even in bronze III. In victory track, you uncollected and cav players are still (unfairly in my view) only being matched by prestige.
You're not matching my r4 & r3 with 3 r2 deck.
So if you're losing, it's not that they are "vets".
First I don’t think kabam has ever stated that it’s based off Prestige and second I have matched up with Thronebreaker almost Paragon Players while being still fresh to Cav in 6.2
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?
That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?
The words may have been different, but in the past Kabam has talked about encouraging people to play battlegrounds. That sounds like low participation to me. Kind of like saying “we’ve had more people play it than ever before”.
Don’t take my word for it though. One look around here, social media, and all of the big Line chats paint a pretty clear picture of disappointment. I know you don’t care that majority of your players dislike this round, but less time in game is less revenue for the bean counters.
This is twisting those words. We've never had a participation problem with Battlegrounds before. We try to "encourage players" to play in lots of modes. We say that all the time.
We also didn't say we're ignoring feedback. In fact, we've been watching it pretty closely, but we're also watching our data and how players are actually putting up with it over time. Again, just like every season, more experienced players have an easier time at the beginning of the season (which is a different problem that needs to be solved).
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?
That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?
The words may have been different, but in the past Kabam has talked about encouraging people to play battlegrounds. That sounds like low participation to me. Kind of like saying “we’ve had more people play it than ever before”.
Don’t take my word for it though. One look around here, social media, and all of the big Line chats paint a pretty clear picture of disappointment. I know you don’t care that majority of your players dislike this round, but less time in game is less revenue for the bean counters.
This is twisting those words. We've never had a participation problem with Battlegrounds before. We try to "encourage players" to play in lots of modes. We say that all the time.
We also didn't say we're ignoring feedback. In fact, we've been watching it pretty closely., but we're also watching our data and how players are actually putting up with it over time. Again, just like every season, more experienced players have an easier time at the beginning of the season (which is a different problem that needs to be solved).
Even as an “experienced” player (whatever those words mean in a vague context) I think this meta sucks. The few matches I’ve played even with the “right” champs, have not been fun. This is an easy pass this season, regardless of rewards. The incentive is not worth the aggravation.
Basically you need power burn immune attackers or attackers who can remove the armour up buff ASAP. Just use defenders who start off with an armour up. Unless the opponent has an immediate counter you’ll probably win.
Whilst I get the buff…it is rather niche and if players just pause to try and win it’s going to make for a boring BG season.
@FiiNCH you know the player base is large and everyone wants to compete in BG but doing stuff like making seasons champ or class specific is a bad idea when players are busting they butt to get resources to rank champs that can actually be used in most of the other content? Do you think everyone has a huge selection of champs? I’m actually in a different position because I have the champs and materials but how about my alliance mates who don’t and others who don’t, they don’t count and shouldn’t me upset?
You do realise that the majority of the counters to these nodes are considered good/great champs..
Galan Hulkling Doom Tigra BWCV Hood Valkyrie Medusa Falcon AA Hulkbuster Titania Namor
Your argument is just lazy. People either haven’t prepared, or aren’t choosing the right counters.
I have been playing the game 5 years and have a fairly deep roster and I have only 5 of the champs you listed ranked up. And those 5 are 5* champs who are nearly worthless in BG. I have only 2 of those champs as 6* and they aren't ranked up because they are unawakened and I have maxed 5* versions already. Your argument is also lazy. Many people simply don't have rosters deep enough to be competitive in this BG. If Kabam wants BG to be a popular game mode, and according to the last survey they sent they clearly do, then they shouldn't use nodes that much of the player base will hate.
I'm a casual battlegrounds player, and will gladly play a few rounds every few days to get the milestone rewards. However, I'm not going to waste resources to rank up champs specifically for this mode, and I'm not going to play a dozen rounds to try and squeeze out one or two wins to get the milestone.
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the meta or criticizing Kabam for making it this way. I get that the mode is intended to encourage you to rank up otherwise less-than-useful champs in order to excel at BGs. However, if the result is that I die from power burn every match because I don't have the relevant champs, I'm just not going to play it again, which is perfectly fine. There's plenty of other stuff I can do.
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Feedback on the 1st day will likely be different to feedback on the last day. When it comes to BG the cream of the crop rises first. Let the better players get promoted and it’ll be easier in a week or 2.
Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.
There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Whats the plan to make BGs more accessible to larger communities? Should we have level based Meta where lower tier player gets a little easier Meta or is Kabam thinking one size fits all?
I have a pretty decent roster but still feel this Meta is very restrictive and will only be doable by handfull of players..
What I did is the simplest solution. This bg meta imo is 0 fun. 0 fun = 0 participation by me.
If you truly don't like it and enough people stop playing it will change.
To each their own though. People that love it have fun.
This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.
Now, this new meta renders 2/3 of the champions useless in battlegrounds, at least on attack… That’s a new level…
I guess any moaning on the forum will have no effect. Maybe, when Kabam analyse the match results and see that sooo many fights are lost, and players lose the fund an interest, maybe they change something…
(All jokes love you GW)
Part of the issue is also matchmaking. My baby account is 3 tiers ahead of my main which is ridiculous as the account sucks. In a mode that has tiered based rewards, you need to be able to match with anyone within that tier. Either that or you need to not lose your progress with each loss.
I have had friendly matches with people in my alliance that are in Plat already while I just got to silver. The matches haven’t even been close, I think this is something to think about as they continue to make adjustments.
I am laughing watching people chose blatantly wrong champs for defense and and attack and trying to waste my time with the "pause method".
I am enjoying this season more than the previous 3 put together.
You're not matching my r4 & r3 with 3 r2 deck.
So if you're losing, it's not that they are "vets".
We also didn't say we're ignoring feedback. In fact, we've been watching it pretty closely, but we're also watching our data and how players are actually putting up with it over time. Again, just like every season, more experienced players have an easier time at the beginning of the season (which is a different problem that needs to be solved).
Just use defenders who start off with an armour up. Unless the opponent has an immediate counter you’ll probably win.
Whilst I get the buff…it is rather niche and if players just pause to try and win it’s going to make for a boring BG season.
I'm a casual battlegrounds player, and will gladly play a few rounds every few days to get the milestone rewards. However, I'm not going to waste resources to rank up champs specifically for this mode, and I'm not going to play a dozen rounds to try and squeeze out one or two wins to get the milestone.
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the meta or criticizing Kabam for making it this way. I get that the mode is intended to encourage you to rank up otherwise less-than-useful champs in order to excel at BGs. However, if the result is that I die from power burn every match because I don't have the relevant champs, I'm just not going to play it again, which is perfectly fine. There's plenty of other stuff I can do.