@Aleor you mean like how some of the people commenting on this thread diminished the issues lower players had with sandbagging back when it was still a thing. Some of the people on this thread were #1 sandbagging advocates so why should anyone care about their complaints?
1. Even if some people did, that's on them. A lot of people who didn't do that are not having fun on the game mode with current matchmaking, I hope you don't assume they should be responsible for the some other people's word 2. Sandbagging was an optional strategy for every player. Some pargons lost on purpose, some tbs did, some cavs did, just like every other title holders. It could be more noticable at higher titles due to people there being more competitive and most likely less in numbers. But the things is even then people asked here on forums for normal matching system similar to aw. The sandbagging was just a symptom, the illness was a system introduced by kabam, wich leads to 3. With new matching they made tanking useless, but didn't fix the roof problem. I don't know, if it's because they try to monetize those victory shields I've personally never used or something else, and to be fair, I don't even care what their motivation is. Although I'd argue that bgs is the only game mode that promotes ranking a lot of champs and getting them in a first place. All I want to see here is transparent matchmaking system, wich would promote fare competition. And I don't think that anyone would call a system, where player A can easily best player B in 100 matches consequently, ends up being ranked lower.
Fyi, personally I'm currently only doing bgs for milestones and avoid ranking up high pi champs. So I have no reason to opening current featured for doomman or stoneddude and won't be taking my galan, qs, valk or even sauron to r4. If I keep playing the game in a first place. There are only 2 real reasons in game to take champs to r4 imo: to get paragon title and to have better deck for bgs. But currently it means your bg fight will be more difficult, so...
Tl;Dr: blame kabam for making skewed matchmaking, not players who suffer because of it, despite players' personalities
I never said that, I was just pointing out the fact that some of the people on this thread were against Kabam getting rid of sandbagging and now they just want an advantage once again so they can bulldoze lower accounts, that's all.
Oh no I agree, changes need to be made, the thing is if they go with random matchmaking from the get go then you're gonna have a ton of lower players stuck on Bronze for weeks and I don't think that'd be fair either. There has to be some sort of balance, they could make matchmaking random once you reach a certain league, or they could do random matchmaking from the get go but start every player on a specific league based on their title or something like that. My only concern with random matchmaking from the get go is that it might punish lower level players too much that's all.
Name any other game where getting a stronger account makes PVP harder and not easier. The whole point of PVP games is to build the strongest roster possible to win as many matches as possible. Kabam in their infinite wisdom decided to make a system where building a stronger roster is a disadvantage. It's really stupid.
All you guys crying about "fair matches" refuse to get that a system where some accounts can NOT face the stronger accounts that others have to fine, for the same rewards in the same game, is NOT fair. The only "fair" matchmaking is a completely random one, which is what we're asking for.
The real bad guy here is Kabam for putting Cavs in the same pool as Paragons. It's just so friggin stupid because it's impossible to have a mode that is "fair" to players that are so far apart. It makes zero sense.
Why are you pointing out the obvious Captain Obvious? I literally said on that same reply that yes there is an issue that needs to be fixed just not the way you want to fix it cause doing that would to ruin it for other people who deserve to play just as much as you do.
Right so if you actually read the second paragraph instead of malding like a child you'll notice I said that we do in fact need random matchmaking but there has to be something else that balances it a bit more so lower accounts aren't stuck in bronze for weeks.
Yes you can't make the game mode 100% fair for both sides, no game has achieved that. What you can do, is make it so it isn't as unfair for both sides. I'm not arguing we shouldn't have random matchmaking, we should. However, in order for it not to punish lower level players from the get go too hard they could simply make it so you start on a different league based on your title, that way the lower accounts will eventually have to face to stronger accounts if they want to keep climbing up but they can play a bunch of matches before that happens.
I'm still waiting for anyone to show me a PVP game that punishes a player for building a stronger roster.
There isn’t. Not a single serious game punishes account progress in competitive modes. It’s dumb from business perspective to do that. Kabam will realise it sooner or later. But until then this circus will go on 😠
Meaning my objectives are not for some end-goal that personally benefits my progress. I'm concerned about something that isn't self-serving. A novel concept, I know.
I'm still waiting for anyone to show me a PVP game that punishes a player for building a stronger roster.
There isn’t. Not a single serious game punishes account progress in competitive modes. It’s dumb from business perspective to do that. Kabam will realise it sooner or later. But until then this circus will go on 😠
I believe it will not be soon. Although same situation was in AW when they promoted smaller aliances this time we got: 1 small account benefits from situation and earn rewards which they in fair battle would not earn 2 only early paragons which lvl characters based on prestige are screwed 3 top paragons does not care. They are matched agains smaller account so they have advantage. 4 rest are ok because they have matched against similar accounts
So only small portion of player base have obvious disadvatage. So situation will change when more players will advance to such bracket and this will not be soon
Can we have people stop responding to the lone champion for the weak? this roundabout of nonsense is going nowhere.
Doesn't matter if they stop or not cause they haven't said a single thing of substance in five days anyways. Nobody has a single counter argument as to why starting people off on different leagues based on progression and then adding random matchmaking is a bad idea. I'll tell you why none of you have a good counter argument lol cause none of you here are actually annoyed by the fact that smaller accounts made it to GC before a lot of Paragons last season, if that was the case you'd see no issue with these changes. Why? 1. Bigger accounts would immediately get the rewards from the lower leagues as soon as the season starts (which small accounts would have to fight for) and they'd get a head start depending on their progression, small accounts would get nothing out of it. 2. If small accounts manage to climb up the ladder quickly they'll eventually hit a brick wall and start facing bigger accounts due to matchmaking being random, this will make it harder for small accounts and easier for the bigger ones to make it to GC. But no, instead they all want to start in bronze with random matchmaking cause what they really want is to bulldoze smaller accounts. Any normal person with a fully functional brain and an ounce of common sense would take that head start and the free rewards, not these guys💀
I'm still waiting for anyone to show me a PVP game that punishes a player for building a stronger roster.
There isn’t. Not a single serious game punishes account progress in competitive modes. It’s dumb from business perspective to do that. Kabam will realise it sooner or later. But until then this circus will go on 😠
I believe it will not be soon. Although same situation was in AW when they promoted smaller aliances this time we got: 1 small account benefits from situation and earn rewards which they in fair battle would not earn 2 only early paragons which lvl characters based on prestige are screwed 3 top paragons does not care. They are matched agains smaller account so they have advantage. 4 rest are ok because they have matched against similar accounts
So only small portion of player base have obvious disadvatage. So situation will change when more players will advance to such bracket and this will not be soon
I only disagree with number 3. I think top paragons do care. I do at least.
My combined prestige is 16480. In my last 6 matches I've had the following:
With those last 6 fights, I'm currently in Bronze 1. So why am I putting this out there? To reiterate the point I was trying to make in another thread what seems like ages ago.
The margin of error at the top is razor thin. The RNG of the draft can make all the difference in the world. That 17,178 account probably thought he was going to win, and 9 times out of 10, he may, but because of that 1 time, he now has to do two more matches hoping for good draft to advance.
So my point again is that at the top, when everyone has the same champs in their deck, you're relying more on good luck in the draft to advance as much as you are skill.
When lower accounts are fighting lower accounts, that margin is much greater, cause someone may only have 1 or 2 6*r4, that you can choose to ban, and now the luck of the draft is much less critical to your success.
Bottom line, it's a massively flawed system, where the only appropriate solution to give everyone what they're asking for is through different BG brackets.
In that way, the lower accounts only fight the lower accounts, albeit for lower rewards. The bigger accounts only fight the bigger accounts, so the struggle remains the same, but now those lower accounts aren't pushing higher accounts down the leader board via an easier path.
I love all this chat but let's face it, Kabam will not change anything soon. They gain money over frustration, it's all over the game. You lose? use your victory shield then, they're here for that reason. You don't have VC? well buy some with your trophies, wait, you can buy only one per week but as many as you want with units, here is the link to the unit store. As long as player will play BG, and I'm one of those "unlucky" Paragon facing other stacked Paragon accounts, then nothing will change.
I love all this chat but let's face it, Kabam will not change anything soon. They gain money over frustration, it's all over the game. You lose? use your victory shield then, they're here for that reason. You don't have VC? well buy some with your trophies, wait, you can buy only one per week but as many as you want with units, here is the link to the unit store. As long as player will play BG, and I'm one of those "unlucky" Paragon facing other stacked Paragon accounts, then nothing will change.
Agree. They found perfect solution for earning money through victory shields
I'm still waiting for anyone to show me a PVP game that punishes a player for building a stronger roster.
There isn’t. Not a single serious game punishes account progress in competitive modes. It’s dumb from business perspective to do that. Kabam will realise it sooner or later. But until then this circus will go on 😠
I believe it will not be soon. Although same situation was in AW when they promoted smaller aliances this time we got: 1 small account benefits from situation and earn rewards which they in fair battle would not earn 2 only early paragons which lvl characters based on prestige are screwed 3 top paragons does not care. They are matched agains smaller account so they have advantage. 4 rest are ok because they have matched against similar accounts
So only small portion of player base have obvious disadvatage. So situation will change when more players will advance to such bracket and this will not be soon
I only disagree with number 3. I think top paragons do care. I do at least.
My combined prestige is 16480. In my last 6 matches I've had the following:
With those last 6 fights, I'm currently in Bronze 1. So why am I putting this out there? To reiterate the point I was trying to make in another thread what seems like ages ago.
The margin of error at the top is razor thin. The RNG of the draft can make all the difference in the world. That 17,178 account probably thought he was going to win, and 9 times out of 10, he may, but because of that 1 time, he now has to do two more matches hoping for good draft to advance.
So my point again is that at the top, when everyone has the same champs in their deck, you're relying more on good luck in the draft to advance as much as you are skill.
When lower accounts are fighting lower accounts, that margin is much greater, cause someone may only have 1 or 2 6*r4, that you can choose to ban, and now the luck of the draft is much less critical to your success.
Bottom line, it's a massively flawed system, where the only appropriate solution to give everyone what they're asking for is through different BG brackets.
In that way, the lower accounts only fight the lower accounts, albeit for lower rewards. The bigger accounts only fight the bigger accounts, so the struggle remains the same, but now those lower accounts aren't pushing higher accounts down the leader board via an easier path.
16132 prestige. 2.8m hero rating. And my stats this season. You are not alone
I love all this chat but let's face it, Kabam will not change anything soon. They gain money over frustration, it's all over the game. You lose? use your victory shield then, they're here for that reason. You don't have VC? well buy some with your trophies, wait, you can buy only one per week but as many as you want with units, here is the link to the unit store. As long as player will play BG, and I'm one of those "unlucky" Paragon facing other stacked Paragon accounts, then nothing will change.
I think it's more likely people will simply quit playing bg. I have.
The rewards aren't close to being worth what I'd need to spend to get anywhere.
Also I think we've confirmed in another thread that matchmaking is likely based on total hero rating which I'd say stacks up with the matches I get.
At 2.9m I'm getting matched with people as low as 2.3 and as high as 4.2 so it's a pretty wide range
I love all this chat but let's face it, Kabam will not change anything soon. They gain money over frustration, it's all over the game. You lose? use your victory shield then, they're here for that reason. You don't have VC? well buy some with your trophies, wait, you can buy only one per week but as many as you want with units, here is the link to the unit store. As long as player will play BG, and I'm one of those "unlucky" Paragon facing other stacked Paragon accounts, then nothing will change.
I think it's more likely people will simply quit playing bg. I have.
The rewards aren't close to being worth what I'd need to spend to get anywhere.
Also I think we've confirmed in another thread that matchmaking is likely based on total hero rating which I'd say stacks up with the matches I get.
At 2.9m I'm getting matched with people as low as 2.3 and as high as 4.2 so it's a pretty wide range
First 2 seasons diamond 1 or 2 I think. Silver 2 last season and I haven't made it out of bronze 3 this season. 4 fights, 3 loses and I'm done with it.
Last season I had 18 fights trying to get out of silver 2 until I quit.
We're going to have Losses either way. Unfortunately, the way that it's structured is we need consecutive Wins to advance. Personally, I try to get to needing one more and use a Shield for good measure.
That idea has been voiced already but it seems that a win should be rewarded more than what's a loss. For now it's a 1:1, imo it should probably be 2:1. Of course the number of medals to get to the next bracket should be adjusted but I believe that it would alleviate the frustration you feel when you win 2 and then lose 2. Sometimes the planets align and without any reason you win 3 in a row... o_O
I also like DNA's idea with points based on the number of fights you win/lose in a match. That seems pretty fair
Yeah if I'd used one at silver 2 I could have climbed higher last season. I wasn't expecting to keep losing like that though. I'd won 12 in a row before I got to silver 2.
And the reason the thread is still going is because kabam haven't said anything beyond a vague message about matchmaking might change in the future.
Until then bg is a dead mode for me. I simply cannot compete in it. I'd love to but I can't.
I'm not opposed to that. I just don't want the newest Players in the competition being trampled in the first few Brackets. That's my concern. There's too much of a gap for it to even be considered fair, regardless of the status quo. People are having issues as a Paragon coming up against more advanced Paragons and justifying letting them match with UC Players in the same breath. If someone fights their way up and punches to their own ceiling, that's one thing. Making them stonewall at the beginning is another. I'd rather them limit access to BGs than see that happen for people. They'd get upset for a time, and they'd get over it. Better that than laughing at their struggles because they're fuel for others in Bronze 3
I can't believe this thread is still going. Prestige matchmaking is obviously a terrible idea lol
Prestige matchmaking was always a terrible idea. And threads like this will go on and on. Mid skilled Paragons are quitting massively BGs at the moment, out of frustration. Most are doing only the daily objectives. The higher skilled Paragons that will left on next seasons, will find themselves fighting each other at low VT brackets, as happens to mid skilled Paragons now 😂😂😂 The prays are stepping out, and the predators will gradually find themselves sweating from Bronze3. Then a big MCOC YouTuber will finally make a video about the unfair Prestige matchmaking, and Kabam will be pressed to change it, or change VT at all. None of the big YTs does it now, and I suspect that’s mainly because of two reasons: 1. They aren’t personally affected, since most of them are highly skilled, and 2. Even if they see the problem, they need to cater to lower accounts, since those are giving them the most views. That’s why they did videos about sandbagging problem, because it was affecting their main audience, lower/mid level players. But now silence like there is not any problem at all. Yet no one of the big YTs has the guts to do a video for that (apart from AlBundyRules, but his channel is still small to influence situations like this, but anyway hats off to him). I hope any of the “big guys” prove me wrong 🤔
I can't believe this thread is still going. Prestige matchmaking is obviously a terrible idea lol
Prestige matchmaking was always a terrible idea. And threads like this will go on and on. Mid skilled Paragons are quitting massively BGs at the moment, out of frustration. Most are doing only the daily objectives. The higher skilled Paragons that will left on next seasons, will find themselves fighting each other at low VT brackets, as happens to mid skilled Paragons now 😂😂😂 The prays are stepping out, and the predators will gradually find themselves sweating from Bronze3. Then a big MCOC YouTuber will finally make a video about the unfair Prestige matchmaking, and Kabam will be pressed to change it, or change VT at all. None of the big YTs does it now, and I suspect that’s mainly because of two reasons: 1. They aren’t personally affected, since most of them are highly skilled, and 2. Even if they see the problem, they need to cater to lower accounts, since those are giving them the most views. That’s why they did videos about sandbagging problem, because it was affecting their main audience, lower/mid level players. But now silence like there is not any problem at all. Yet no one of the big YTs has the guts to do a video for that (apart from AlBundyRules, but his channel is still small to influence situations like this, but anyway hats off to him). I hope any of the “big guys” prove me wrong 🤔
Since you're all about BGs being unfair for a specific group of players atm (which I don't disagree with) let's hear your completely unbiased solution that won't create any other issues for other players lol.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Prestige matchmaking is obviously a terrible idea lol
Prestige matchmaking was always a terrible idea. And threads like this will go on and on. Mid skilled Paragons are quitting massively BGs at the moment, out of frustration. Most are doing only the daily objectives. The higher skilled Paragons that will left on next seasons, will find themselves fighting each other at low VT brackets, as happens to mid skilled Paragons now 😂😂😂 The prays are stepping out, and the predators will gradually find themselves sweating from Bronze3. Then a big MCOC YouTuber will finally make a video about the unfair Prestige matchmaking, and Kabam will be pressed to change it, or change VT at all. None of the big YTs does it now, and I suspect that’s mainly because of two reasons: 1. They aren’t personally affected, since most of them are highly skilled, and 2. Even if they see the problem, they need to cater to lower accounts, since those are giving them the most views. That’s why they did videos about sandbagging problem, because it was affecting their main audience, lower/mid level players. But now silence like there is not any problem at all. Yet no one of the big YTs has the guts to do a video for that (apart from AlBundyRules, but his channel is still small to influence situations like this, but anyway hats off to him). I hope any of the “big guys” prove me wrong 🤔
Since you're all about BGs being unfair for a specific group of players atm (which I don't disagree with) let's hear your completely unbiased solution that won't create any other issues for other players lol.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Prestige matchmaking is obviously a terrible idea lol
Prestige matchmaking was always a terrible idea. And threads like this will go on and on. Mid skilled Paragons are quitting massively BGs at the moment, out of frustration. Most are doing only the daily objectives. The higher skilled Paragons that will left on next seasons, will find themselves fighting each other at low VT brackets, as happens to mid skilled Paragons now 😂😂😂 The prays are stepping out, and the predators will gradually find themselves sweating from Bronze3. Then a big MCOC YouTuber will finally make a video about the unfair Prestige matchmaking, and Kabam will be pressed to change it, or change VT at all. None of the big YTs does it now, and I suspect that’s mainly because of two reasons: 1. They aren’t personally affected, since most of them are highly skilled, and 2. Even if they see the problem, they need to cater to lower accounts, since those are giving them the most views. That’s why they did videos about sandbagging problem, because it was affecting their main audience, lower/mid level players. But now silence like there is not any problem at all. Yet no one of the big YTs has the guts to do a video for that (apart from AlBundyRules, but his channel is still small to influence situations like this, but anyway hats off to him). I hope any of the “big guys” prove me wrong 🤔
Since you're all about BGs being unfair for a specific group of players atm (which I don't disagree with) let's hear your completely unbiased solution that won't create any other issues for other players lol.
Separate brackets for roster strengths.
I suggested that one on another thread myself too so I agree with that one. I was asking @Greekhit though, he just complains and complains but doesn't really suggest any viable solutions.
If the purpose of BGs was fair matches they would have given us a deck... Its ironic that a lot of people use the term F2P and P2W... Specially P2W and then negate the result ...also people keep on saying that BG matching is based on Prestiege... Kabam never released the parameters of the matching system.. why? Same reason that sandbagging happened.. u got people trying to exploit every aspect to benefit... If you are facing big rosters and even with your skills u can't beat it.. just accept it.. you hit your roof...
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Right so if you actually read the second paragraph instead of malding like a child you'll notice I said that we do in fact need random matchmaking but there has to be something else that balances it a bit more so lower accounts aren't stuck in bronze for weeks.
Yes you can't make the game mode 100% fair for both sides, no game has achieved that. What you can do, is make it so it isn't as unfair for both sides.
I'm not arguing we shouldn't have random matchmaking, we should. However, in order for it not to punish lower level players from the get go too hard they could simply make it so you start on a different league based on your title, that way the lower accounts will eventually have to face to stronger accounts if they want to keep climbing up but they can play a bunch of matches before that happens.
Not a single serious game punishes account progress in competitive modes.
It’s dumb from business perspective to do that.
Kabam will realise it sooner or later.
But until then this circus will go on 😠
Voice of the people right here
1 small account benefits from situation and earn rewards which they in fair battle would not earn
2 only early paragons which lvl characters based on prestige are screwed
3 top paragons does not care. They are matched agains smaller account so they have advantage.
4 rest are ok because they have matched against similar accounts
So only small portion of player base have obvious disadvatage. So situation will change when more players will advance to such bracket and this will not be soon
I'll tell you why none of you have a good counter argument lol cause none of you here are actually annoyed by the fact that smaller accounts made it to GC before a lot of Paragons last season, if that was the case you'd see no issue with these changes. Why? 1. Bigger accounts would immediately get the rewards from the lower leagues as soon as the season starts (which small accounts would have to fight for) and they'd get a head start depending on their progression, small accounts would get nothing out of it. 2. If small accounts manage to climb up the ladder quickly they'll eventually hit a brick wall and start facing bigger accounts due to matchmaking being random, this will make it harder for small accounts and easier for the bigger ones to make it to GC.
But no, instead they all want to start in bronze with random matchmaking cause what they really want is to bulldoze smaller accounts. Any normal person with a fully functional brain and an ounce of common sense would take that head start and the free rewards, not these guys💀
My combined prestige is 16480. In my last 6 matches I've had the following:
16,597 (W)
15,650 (W)
15,911 (W)
17,178 (W)
16,207 (L)
14,716 (W)
With those last 6 fights, I'm currently in Bronze 1. So why am I putting this out there? To reiterate the point I was trying to make in another thread what seems like ages ago.
The margin of error at the top is razor thin. The RNG of the draft can make all the difference in the world. That 17,178 account probably thought he was going to win, and 9 times out of 10, he may, but because of that 1 time, he now has to do two more matches hoping for good draft to advance.
So my point again is that at the top, when everyone has the same champs in their deck, you're relying more on good luck in the draft to advance as much as you are skill.
When lower accounts are fighting lower accounts, that margin is much greater, cause someone may only have 1 or 2 6*r4, that you can choose to ban, and now the luck of the draft is much less critical to your success.
Bottom line, it's a massively flawed system, where the only appropriate solution to give everyone what they're asking for is through different BG brackets.
In that way, the lower accounts only fight the lower accounts, albeit for lower rewards. The bigger accounts only fight the bigger accounts, so the struggle remains the same, but now those lower accounts aren't pushing higher accounts down the leader board via an easier path.
They gain money over frustration, it's all over the game. You lose? use your victory shield then, they're here for that reason. You don't have VC? well buy some with your trophies, wait, you can buy only one per week but as many as you want with units, here is the link to the unit store.
As long as player will play BG, and I'm one of those "unlucky" Paragon facing other stacked Paragon accounts, then nothing will change.
The rewards aren't close to being worth what I'd need to spend to get anywhere.
Also I think we've confirmed in another thread that matchmaking is likely based on total hero rating which I'd say stacks up with the matches I get.
At 2.9m I'm getting matched with people as low as 2.3 and as high as 4.2 so it's a pretty wide range
Last season I had 18 fights trying to get out of silver 2 until I quit.
For now it's a 1:1, imo it should probably be 2:1.
Of course the number of medals to get to the next bracket should be adjusted but I believe that it would alleviate the frustration you feel when you win 2 and then lose 2.
Sometimes the planets align and without any reason you win 3 in a row... o_O
I also like DNA's idea with points based on the number of fights you win/lose in a match. That seems pretty fair
And the reason the thread is still going is because kabam haven't said anything beyond a vague message about matchmaking might change in the future.
Until then bg is a dead mode for me. I simply cannot compete in it. I'd love to but I can't.
And threads like this will go on and on.
Mid skilled Paragons are quitting massively BGs at the moment, out of frustration.
Most are doing only the daily objectives.
The higher skilled Paragons that will left on next seasons, will find themselves fighting each other at low VT brackets, as happens to mid skilled Paragons now 😂😂😂
The prays are stepping out, and the predators will gradually find themselves sweating from Bronze3.
Then a big MCOC YouTuber will finally make a video about the unfair Prestige matchmaking, and Kabam will be pressed to change it, or change VT at all.
None of the big YTs does it now, and I suspect that’s mainly because of two reasons:
1. They aren’t personally affected, since most of them are highly skilled, and
2. Even if they see the problem, they need to cater to lower accounts, since those are giving them the most views.
That’s why they did videos about sandbagging problem, because it was affecting their main audience, lower/mid level players.
But now silence like there is not any problem at all.
Yet no one of the big YTs has the guts to do a video for that (apart from AlBundyRules, but his channel is still small to influence situations like this, but anyway hats off to him).
I hope any of the “big guys” prove me wrong 🤔
Its ironic that a lot of people use the term F2P and P2W... Specially P2W and then negate the result ...also people keep on saying that BG matching is based on Prestiege... Kabam never released the parameters of the matching system.. why? Same reason that sandbagging happened.. u got people trying to exploit every aspect to benefit...
If you are facing big rosters and even with your skills u can't beat it.. just accept it.. you hit your roof...