Battleground matchmaking

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  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    They're probably talking about the solo and alliance event rank rewards. Lots of top players will farm points in plat before trying to compete in GC because they can maintain a high winrate in plat and get more bang for their elders marks than if they tried doing the same in GC
    Which is how they fixed that with seeding.
    Plat2 is the barrel full of fish, people who made it to GC start in Plat1.
    Last season, we saw Cavs somehow making it to Diamond. Also the power difference in paragons is absurd. A whale has a high chance of winning even if the other opponent has a r5 and a lot of r4s.
    Last season seeding was not implemented though
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,941 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
  • VaniteliaVanitelia Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    @BringPopcorn You 're point is a valid one and I agree that players shouldn't ignore the other content that was designed to help them get more diverse rosters. I was coming from a standpoint that if the purpose of the game mode was getting people to play, then why not have two sets of BG's so that the game experience would be one that encourages advancement without having to face accounts that are far more advanced. The tokens that are earned for the store are already tailored to their progression level, so what's the point of including everyone in the same track to begin with?

    The rewards for reaching GC are pretty much a bonus on top of what we get for progressing through the tiers, so they can modify those rewards for the lower tiered players. At the moment, we have some higher tiered players that wait until the final week of BG's to do their push so they have an easier go to get to GC. Keep the VT as for the TB and below and then their GC is also tailored for them. For Paragons, their is enough disparity between the top and bottom that it should disperse the players more evenly than with the system the way it is now.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,941 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    They're probably talking about the solo and alliance event rank rewards. Lots of top players will farm points in plat before trying to compete in GC because they can maintain a high winrate in plat and get more bang for their elders marks than if they tried doing the same in GC
    With seeding, I really don't see this as a problem. Also, it ignores the fact that they're forfeiting as many matches as they win so it would end up balancing itself out.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
  • Logan00Logan00 Member Posts: 621 ★★★
    edited September 2023
    Is not the matchmaking is the bugs and the non working controls what makes BG frustrating to play plus the scoring system that does not makes any sense at all
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★

    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★
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    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 450 ★★★
    edited September 2023

    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Wrong. Prices are directly linked to rewards. The store is the reward, tokens are worthless without the store.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★

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    Stature said:

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Wrong. Prices are directly linked to rewards.
    Is there a price to get to the next progression? No its a choice, so the player chooses the price to pay for the items he buys. That has nothing to do with the store, the game mode or the rewards.
    Look at OPs profile, is it strong enough to get to TB?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

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    Stature said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★

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    Stature said:

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
    I never said they can hold it, they should use it to make their roster stronger to work on the next progression level, not to make a stronger deck for BGs, because at that pace they will never catch up.
    The trophy ammounts are the same for everyone, you decide how much you pay for an item by pushing the next progression level or not
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,407 ★★★★★

    Pikolu said:

    Pikolu said:

    Stature said:


    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    They're probably talking about the solo and alliance event rank rewards. Lots of top players will farm points in plat before trying to compete in GC because they can maintain a high winrate in plat and get more bang for their elders marks than if they tried doing the same in GC
    Which is how they fixed that with seeding.
    Plat2 is the barrel full of fish, people who made it to GC start in Plat1.
    Last season, we saw Cavs somehow making it to Diamond. Also the power difference in paragons is absurd. A whale has a high chance of winning even if the other opponent has a r5 and a lot of r4s.
    Last season seeding was not implemented though
    I think we will see more Cavs in GC now that seeding has been implemented though. I just made it to Vibranium 3 and we're still on week one, last season I made it to Vibranium 3 on week three.
  • ChatterofforumsChatterofforums Member Posts: 1,779 ★★★★★

    Ive worked hard for my account to get it where it is i dont need to be getting matched accounts like this

    No offence u onky saying this becsuse u can make it to glad curcuit its not fare for lower accounts like me who will never get glad curcuit thats a fact even thou i know people who have made glad curcuit and have really low accounts and i mean below 700k base team rating but i know they have cheated to get there if it isnt bad matchmaking its cheaters doing there stuff and thats never gonna be fare for people like me

    Everyone has "worked hard" to get their account to where it is, so based on your logic everyone deserves GC rewards? In that case, why even have battlegrounds to be fine with?

    I guarantee there are players who have put WAY more time and effort than you in the game who are finishing far lower in BG rating and getting lower rewards than you all because weaker players get "handicapped" matches until plat 2, which stronger players don't get. This means those who have spent several years longer than you building up their accounts are finishing lower than you but you think you deserve GC because you put in "effort"?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
    I would like to ask you a question, doubt you will answer it; but i will give it a go anyway.
    You have recently become a Paragon, around a month ago, if I am correct. Did Kabam give you less rewards or was it your personal choice to stay TB and pay more for some items, and not be able to access other items?
    If the answer is that it was your choice, they reward you the same, you just decided to spend them differently.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,422 Guardian

    I coukdnt care about the seeding thing tbh matchamiing was bad before and its still the same has im proved here and there by when u hit plat its no longer a fair game its onsided match ups people like me and other with bearly a mill in team rating going up against rank 5 6* and rank 2 7* paragaon accounts u dont stand w chance at all no one can tell ke im wrong because for the past three seasons when ive hit plat thats it im facing countless accounts that i dont stand a chance against i yeah i do get wins when its a fair match up btw in plat for past three seasons for me i might get two decent and fair match ups out of 60 fight thats not even close to being even all i wish is that u get more fair even match ups becsuse at this rate me and countless other players will NEVER reach glad curcuit

    And yet: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/341980/this-low-strength-deck-got-into-gc-heres-how

    becsuse at this rate me and countless other players will NEVER reach glad curcuit

    Although there is some truth to this: everyone isn't supposed to get to GC, any more than everyone can't get Masters rewards in AW. The GC is intended to be the top tier competitive bracket for BG. This is something players keep struggling to wrap their minds around. In the PvE parts of the game, most players should win most of the time. But in competitions, most people won't be at the top, or near the top, or anywhere within the same zip code as the top. GC has reward tier brackets for the top 8500 players or so, and a catch all bracket for everyone below 8500. That strongly suggests that the design intent is for something close to the top 8500 competitors to reach GC at all. If a few more get there, even a few hundred more, that's fine, but if several thousand players are getting there above that, that probably suggests it is too easy to reach.

    There are on the order of 250k players that play at least one match of BG. The top 8500 represents something on the order of the top 3% of players or so. Which suggests that the game mode is tuned for about the top 5% of players, plus or minus, to reach GC. Maybe 10%. So yes, countlesss other players will never reach GC. Because they are not supposed to.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★
    Not everyone wants that, and it's dismissive to imply that. Some Players want that. Most want something they have a decent chance at competing in. Not a "Git gud." setup that is staked before they even try because just like AW and AQ, people take the same placements they take every Season, and no one else progresses over time. The entitlement comes from all sides. The Top feel entitled to rank higher and squash lower Players because they've "put the time and effort in", and the bottom feels entitled because the Matchmaking system is placing them in Matches they can't win. The thing about true compromise is it can't make everyone happy, but it shouldn't be 90/10.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★
    edited September 2023

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
    I would like to ask you a question, doubt you will answer it; but i will give it a go anyway.
    You have recently become a Paragon, around a month ago, if I am correct. Did Kabam give you less rewards or was it your personal choice to stay TB and pay more for some items, and not be able to access other items?
    If the answer is that it was your choice, they reward you the same, you just decided to spend them differently.
    BGs helped me because I earned R4 Mats. My issue is I'm slow with Story. Always have been. The Rewards were not the same because what I have access to and in what quantity is different now that I'm Paragon.
    You keep referencing my pace as if I'm supposed to be somewhere because of the amount of time I've been here. There is NO mandate on how fast people grow, and there are as many variations of skill levels and paces for growing as there are people playing.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
    I would like to ask you a question, doubt you will answer it; but i will give it a go anyway.
    You have recently become a Paragon, around a month ago, if I am correct. Did Kabam give you less rewards or was it your personal choice to stay TB and pay more for some items, and not be able to access other items?
    If the answer is that it was your choice, they reward you the same, you just decided to spend them differently.
    BGs helped me because I earned R4 Mats. My issue is I'm slow with Story. Always have been. The Rewards were not the same because what I have access to and in what quantity is different now that I'm Paragon.
    You keep referencing my pace as if I'm supposed to be somewhere because of the amount of time I've been here. There is NO mandate on how fast people grow, and there are as many variations of skill levels and paces for growing as there are people playing.
    There is NO mandate about how far a person can get in BGs either, yet they had to create a matchmaking shelter for small accounts, and even that seems like its not enough.
    Why is the complaint only about BGs? Why are Cavs not complaining about not having access to TB lvl EQ? Cause they would die to much and spend consumables? Why aren't they complaining about being able to do the highest SQ?
    It seems that the only game mode that they can't swallow is BGs, everything else that would cost them energy, time, units, consumables they understand their rosters are low for it, but BGs a PvP mode where your adversary's purpose is just to mess with you and is basically free to parcitipate and doesnt cost anything if you lose they got a problem with. That seems pretty entitled to me.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
    I would like to ask you a question, doubt you will answer it; but i will give it a go anyway.
    You have recently become a Paragon, around a month ago, if I am correct. Did Kabam give you less rewards or was it your personal choice to stay TB and pay more for some items, and not be able to access other items?
    If the answer is that it was your choice, they reward you the same, you just decided to spend them differently.
    BGs helped me because I earned R4 Mats. My issue is I'm slow with Story. Always have been. The Rewards were not the same because what I have access to and in what quantity is different now that I'm Paragon.
    You keep referencing my pace as if I'm supposed to be somewhere because of the amount of time I've been here. There is NO mandate on how fast people grow, and there are as many variations of skill levels and paces for growing as there are people playing.
    There is NO mandate about how far a person can get in BGs either, yet they had to create a matchmaking shelter for small accounts, and even that seems like its not enough.
    Why is the complaint only about BGs? Why are Cavs not complaining about not having access to TB lvl EQ? Cause they would die to much and spend consumables? Why aren't they complaining about being able to do the highest SQ?
    It seems that the only game mode that they can't swallow is BGs, everything else that would cost them energy, time, units, consumables they understand their rosters are low for it, but BGs a PvP mode where your adversary's purpose is just to mess with you and is basically free to parcitipate and doesnt cost anything if you lose they got a problem with. That seems pretty entitled to me.
    Yes, they created a level playing field to start out on. Of all the complaining people do on here, complaining that people can't take a Top Tier Paragon Account and match with a new Cav in Bronze is about as entitled as it gets.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★
    People are complaining that a Paragon is stuck fighting other Paragons in Gold (which I get first-hand), and arguing that a UC and Cav Player should be facing them. The irony of that is not lost.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

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    Stature said:

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    You are just wrong on this. Kabam's matchmaking is artificially boosting some low players and stalling some mid to high players. It's a fact, not an opinion.

    It is also a fact that those stalled high players are getting a lot more in BG rewards every season than the artificially boosted players you are talking about. That is the context you should use to evaluate this scenario. That is the compromise the game chose to balance participation and game experience for a broader set of players.
    How, exactly, are players who are finishing in lower tiers "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than those who finish in higher tiers? You're gonna have to show your work there.
    Unless you think 7-star shards and high end rank up material are worthless, isn't it obvious? A Paragon in Sliver or Gold is getting access to rewards from BG which a UC/Cav can't even if they hit Diamond or Vibranium. Within BG, what exactly are they doing different to justify this spread?
    Wrong.

    You're confusing rewards with prices. You also didn't show you work to prove that a Paragon in Gold is "getting a lot more BG Rewards every season" than a UC/Cav in Diamond or Vibranium.
    Because a Paragon gets 7* shards and others can't, and higher mats which is non sense.
    It's not nonsense. The prices are also different. That means it's not the "same" Rewards.
    Its nonsense, well I guess UCs should get the same deals as Paragons for 4th of July then, cause a dollar is a dollar.
    That makes no sense at all. The argument is they're playing for the same Rewards. They're not. Aside from the Relic Shards. The Rewards from the VT are scaled via the Store, and linked to progression. Which is conveniently ignored when the subject comes up.
    They play for the same exact rewards which are trophies, seeing a price or progression gate should be incentive enough to push foward, build a competitive roster and compete; but no they want to get to GC and get those extra 10k trophies to keep on buying "subpar" rewards.. makes no sense at all. You guys claim the rewards are not the same, they are lower but thet want more currency to buy those lower rewards.
    That's an argument that really doesn't hold water. We're not talking about "will be" the same. We're talking about "is" the same.
    The more people make the argument that they could wait and spend them later, the more I'm starting to think their goal isn't what's best for BGs, it's to stop people from progressing. That would be entirely self-serving, wouldn't it?
    I would like to ask you a question, doubt you will answer it; but i will give it a go anyway.
    You have recently become a Paragon, around a month ago, if I am correct. Did Kabam give you less rewards or was it your personal choice to stay TB and pay more for some items, and not be able to access other items?
    If the answer is that it was your choice, they reward you the same, you just decided to spend them differently.
    BGs helped me because I earned R4 Mats. My issue is I'm slow with Story. Always have been. The Rewards were not the same because what I have access to and in what quantity is different now that I'm Paragon.
    You keep referencing my pace as if I'm supposed to be somewhere because of the amount of time I've been here. There is NO mandate on how fast people grow, and there are as many variations of skill levels and paces for growing as there are people playing.
    There is NO mandate about how far a person can get in BGs either, yet they had to create a matchmaking shelter for small accounts, and even that seems like its not enough.
    Why is the complaint only about BGs? Why are Cavs not complaining about not having access to TB lvl EQ? Cause they would die to much and spend consumables? Why aren't they complaining about being able to do the highest SQ?
    It seems that the only game mode that they can't swallow is BGs, everything else that would cost them energy, time, units, consumables they understand their rosters are low for it, but BGs a PvP mode where your adversary's purpose is just to mess with you and is basically free to parcitipate and doesnt cost anything if you lose they got a problem with. That seems pretty entitled to me.
    Yes, they created a level playing field to start out on. Of all the complaining people do on here, complaining that people can't take a Top Tier Paragon Account and match with a new Cav in Bronze is about as entitled as it gets.
    Well I haven't complained about getting easy matches; but I would agree with them regardless, there is a huge difference about earning your stripes and feeling they should given to you.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,506 ★★★★★
    Is this not a competition? What does earning your stripes have anything to do with?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,597 ★★★★★

    Is this not a competition? What does earning your stripes have anything to do with?

    If it was a competition there would be no shelter and losses would punish you.
    You talked about big accounts tanking matches, there is an easy solution for that, punishing losses; but you wouldn't be happy if losing a match would drop you from Gold to Silver would you?
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