@ Crcrcrc So it’s definitely different for everyone but if I could redo anything over as far as my academic pursuits go, is I wish I just got my degrees back to back to back instead of taking time off. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the traveling and the partying and whatever shenanigans I got up to (at one point I moved to a Buddhist temple in the Kunyu Shan mountain range in China to learn kung fu and try and join the UFC…true story…spoiler…I broke my knee and had to come back to the states) but every time I paused, it was so much harder to go back. If you can, just go for it. May I ask what you’re thinking about getting it in?.
Dude that’s awesome. I’m most likely going to be getting mine in materials science, and I really enjoy research so it’d probably be rather beneficial to my future career stuff. It’s all probably going to come down to if I can get it sponsored honestly, I’d prefer not to set myself back with more debt.
@ Crcrcrc So it’s definitely different for everyone but if I could redo anything over as far as my academic pursuits go, is I wish I just got my degrees back to back to back instead of taking time off. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the traveling and the partying and whatever shenanigans I got up to (at one point I moved to a Buddhist temple in the Kunyu Shan mountain range in China to learn kung fu and try and join the UFC…true story…spoiler…I broke my knee and had to come back to the states) but every time I paused, it was so much harder to go back. If you can, just go for it. May I ask what you’re thinking about getting it in?.
Dude that’s awesome. I’m most likely going to be getting mine in materials science, and I really enjoy research so it’d probably be rather beneficial to my future career stuff. It’s all probably going to come down to if I can get it sponsored honestly, I’d prefer not to set myself back with more debt.
I believe there are a lot of companies that are heavy into process engineering that would finance advanced degrees in materials science if they were pertinent to your work.
@DNA3000 I'm jealous of the view out your window. When I look out my window, I can see a huge skyscraper that's been sinking and tilting for about a decade.
Excellent thread for a change!!! Going to show this or atleast tell about this to my wife as she constantly says why u grownup guy playing mobile games with kids...lol hope she understands...
Lol I'm originally from HI, can name drop the Senator as a classmate, which definitely dates and locates me so I'll leave it at that.
I'll take a guess and say when you were there I was across the street in the carnival parking lot. But I won't hold it against you. Maybe.
I started out in grade school there, hating those rich kids - until of course I went there for high school. My friends all went to that parking lot high school though.
And if your real life initials are NL then you were one of them, and if not you sound just like my old blowhard chum.
Couldn't possibly be more off topic... but... I'll allow it.
It's not necessarily off topic...if he is seeking from guidance from the contest doctors. Perhaps Dr. Doom is just bitter and avoiding the thread since Kabam hasn't made him as a 7*.
@Raganator to help combat the neurological effects of constant internet access and short form content like TikTok (attention deficits).
What are these neurological effects you speak of? Is there any validity to this?
Asking as ive noticed my cognitive abilities specifically when it comes to memory related tasks declining over the years. Use to be able to remember everyones names and extensions at work, and a bunch of other things like math or science formulas . Now i sometimes cant even remember certain song artists, . I think its called brain fog but not sure. The blue lights from phones are very bad for you
That’s one of those questions that people a lot of people disagree about, but almost no one cares enough to prosecute. Most doctors I know consider the MD to be a professional degree not a doctorate degree, which they often associate with what some call the academic or research doctorate degree.
However, I should point out most don’t think of their degree as a doctorate not so much because they think they don’t quality as a doctorate degree, but rather because they see the MD as a much more specialized, and thus more special degree. Asking a doctor if the MD is a doctorate degree is like pointing to someone’s Porsche and asking “is this an au-to-mo-bile?” The answer is of course it is, but why are you asking such a silly question.
The PhD requires writing a 100 page book no one will ever read. The MD requires not killing anyone by mistake while tampering with their bodily functions over a three year period. Which, to be fair, is almost as difficult as the 1990s version of the CCIE.
I have a PhD in physics, and although @DNA3000 up here would perhaps disagree, it's not just about writing a forgotten book (lies, mine was read by AT LEAST 5 people... 7 if you count only the first page) .
For me it was about building knowledge, develop critical thinking and personal growth. What helped me the most was not the actual certificate or the shiny CV, but all the experience and knowledge I got from being independent (lost) with very little (none) supervisor guidance and a difficult problem to solve (attempt).
Over 15 years I've worked for 3 different R&D companies and currently at a large manufacturing corporation in the global advanced analytics team.
Living in a country with good public universities did help the decision though, and I'm 100% sure I'd do it all over again. Maybe.
I have a doctorate and I loved it (mostly) was definitely stressful at times, but getting to lead your own research and presenting it, writing research papers are definitely valuable skills that can help with employability. Although in UK didn't get into more debt from doing the degree, actually receive stipends for doing the doctorate in a lot of cases
I'm just asking because I recently finished my Masters and got into a Doctorate. I'm feeling a bit burnt out at my current job (and education for that matter) and as everything stands, I can only really move laterally within it (in other words, I can really only get the same job). I'm not saying the Doctorate would guarantee anything but I think it will help open up some doors. The question is, do you guys thinks its worth another 4-5 years of school and debt. Did it ultimately help you within your life? I know it's a bit of an unusual question for this forum, but weirdly enough, this just ended up being the forum I use the most.
No college and I make over six figures. Save yourself the time and money. Don't bother unless it would be game changing (in terms of compensation, quality of life, time)
@Polygon Hey dude, I wrote you a comment but it says it will be shown if it's approved. I put a link to a research article that talks about phone use and short term video content and it says it needs to be approved before it can be seen.
I've got a doctorate...a science subject a couple decades ago. In my region it definitely helped me in the working world. In some countries in my field the highest job you can get without one is a technical post. It helped open doors and it puts you on a higher payscale once you are in. It took me 5 years at the time (from start to graduation ceremony) and I would say it was worth it.
I would say it's even more important now given that when i did it Bachelors were still worth something, but now they are as common as high school diplomas were then,
@Mord Probably me favorite post. If it's any conciliation, you have me beat by at least 2 people. I wrote a math book going over the Construction of Real Numbers using Equivalence Class Representatives of Cauchy sequences of Rational Numbers. I think I got at least 3 people to read it...and my mom to smile as she looked at it.
I'm just asking because I recently finished my Masters and got into a Doctorate. I'm feeling a bit burnt out at my current job (and education for that matter) and as everything stands, I can only really move laterally within it (in other words, I can really only get the same job). I'm not saying the Doctorate would guarantee anything but I think it will help open up some doors. The question is, do you guys thinks its worth another 4-5 years of school and debt. Did it ultimately help you within your life? I know it's a bit of an unusual question for this forum, but weirdly enough, this just ended up being the forum I use the most.
I have a doctorate and I would tell you not to do it unless you know it will 100% percent help you find better jobs in your field of choice. (I also have two masters and I did my doctorate about 10 years after receiving my second masters).
Getting a doctorate can be grueling, and the one thing that I can say about almost all of the holders of a doctorate degree is that they are just too stubborn to quit. There's thousands of ABDs out there and they don't complete because they realize they aren't passionate about their area of research and/or they aren't stubborn enough to continue on after after their chair edits, re-edits, tells you to remove sections that they don't see as relevant that you do, etc.
At the end of the day, I did it because I wanted to and I felt passionate about my research topic.
@Yaga I will say dude, I have a few close friends who got theirs' and it seemed from a distance so nightmarish. Their advisors seemed like they were out to get milk but every once in a while would come back to tell them that their paper wasn't good enough or that they had to help them edit something of their's. One my friends basically said he was going to sue the school if he didn't get his Ph.D. by the end of the semester because he had already passed his dissertation, did all his course work and everything else required of him but they wouldn't give it to him because he was cheap labor. That is one thing I am truly worried about. I do not want to become a prisoner of the school.
That’s one of those questions that people a lot of people disagree about, but almost no one cares enough to prosecute. Most doctors I know consider the MD to be a professional degree not a doctorate degree, which they often associate with what some call the academic or research doctorate degree.
However, I should point out most don’t think of their degree as a doctorate not so much because they think they don’t quality as a doctorate degree, but rather because they see the MD as a much more specialized, and thus more special degree. Asking a doctor if the MD is a doctorate degree is like pointing to someone’s Porsche and asking “is this an au-to-mo-bile?” The answer is of course it is, but why are you asking such a silly question.
The PhD requires writing a 100 page book no one will ever read. The MD requires not killing anyone by mistake while tampering with their bodily functions over a three year period. Which, to be fair, is almost as difficult as the 1990s version of the CCIE.
Got to disagree with this - it is not half as important as publications once you continue in the field, but plenty dissertations are read, and can be useful especially in the institute they are lodged.
That’s one of those questions that people a lot of people disagree about, but almost no one cares enough to prosecute. Most doctors I know consider the MD to be a professional degree not a doctorate degree, which they often associate with what some call the academic or research doctorate degree.
However, I should point out most don’t think of their degree as a doctorate not so much because they think they don’t quality as a doctorate degree, but rather because they see the MD as a much more specialized, and thus more special degree. Asking a doctor if the MD is a doctorate degree is like pointing to someone’s Porsche and asking “is this an au-to-mo-bile?” The answer is of course it is, but why are you asking such a silly question.
The PhD requires writing a 100 page book no one will ever read. The MD requires not killing anyone by mistake while tampering with their bodily functions over a three year period. Which, to be fair, is almost as difficult as the 1990s version of the CCIE.
Got to disagree with this - it is not half as important as publications once you continue in the field, but plenty dissertations are read, and can be useful especially in the institute they are lodged.
I am, of course, joking.
Killing people is not immediately disqualifying for MDs.
I think it really depends on your field. I am finishing my Masters in 5 months, and I will continue with PhD for sure, but mostly because in my field it is a necessity, and my country has "free" universities, so I am signing up for 4 years of work, while being employed, so incl. a full salary.
@Kerneas Thats a home run degree dude, that’s exactly what I wish I did instead of Math/Computer Science. With A.I. coming in, those jobs are going to skyrocket, especially at a high level.
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@DNA3000 I'm jealous of the view out your window. When I look out my window, I can see a huge skyscraper that's been sinking and tilting for about a decade.
Going to show this or atleast tell about this to my wife as she constantly says why u grownup guy playing mobile games with kids...lol hope she understands...
And if your real life initials are NL then you were one of them, and if not you sound just like my old blowhard chum.
Asking as ive noticed my cognitive abilities specifically when it comes to memory related tasks declining over the years. Use to be able to remember everyones names and extensions at work, and a bunch of other things like math or science formulas . Now i sometimes cant even remember certain song artists, . I think its called brain fog but not sure. The blue lights from phones are very bad for you
However, I should point out most don’t think of their degree as a doctorate not so much because they think they don’t quality as a doctorate degree, but rather because they see the MD as a much more specialized, and thus more special degree. Asking a doctor if the MD is a doctorate degree is like pointing to someone’s Porsche and asking “is this an au-to-mo-bile?” The answer is of course it is, but why are you asking such a silly question.
The PhD requires writing a 100 page book no one will ever read. The MD requires not killing anyone by mistake while tampering with their bodily functions over a three year period. Which, to be fair, is almost as difficult as the 1990s version of the CCIE.
For me it was about building knowledge, develop critical thinking and personal growth.
What helped me the most was not the actual certificate or the shiny CV, but all the experience and knowledge I got from being independent (lost) with very little (none) supervisor guidance and a difficult problem to solve (attempt).
Over 15 years I've worked for 3 different R&D companies and currently at a large manufacturing corporation in the global advanced analytics team.
Living in a country with good public universities did help the decision though, and I'm 100% sure I'd do it all over again. Maybe.
I would say it's even more important now given that when i did it Bachelors were still worth something, but now they are as common as high school diplomas were then,
Getting a doctorate can be grueling, and the one thing that I can say about almost all of the holders of a doctorate degree is that they are just too stubborn to quit. There's thousands of ABDs out there and they don't complete because they realize they aren't passionate about their area of research and/or they aren't stubborn enough to continue on after after their chair edits, re-edits, tells you to remove sections that they don't see as relevant that you do, etc.
At the end of the day, I did it because I wanted to and I felt passionate about my research topic.
Killing people is not immediately disqualifying for MDs.
Ftr my field is Biochemistry