5-Star Featured Arena Discussion Thread

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  • Zuko_ILCZuko_ILC Posts: 1,192 ★★★★
    Maybe remove all milestones and just make it a top 150 arena.
  • hurricanthurricant Posts: 508 ★★★
    PHC hahahahhahaha

    hahahahaha in the 5 star arena hahahaha
  • EBG78EBG78 Posts: 55
    What do you suggest that wouldn't throw the other Arenas aside? 3* Shards? 4*? 5*? GMC Shards? The Milestones are consistent across all Arenas for a reason. They're scaled more the higher you go, but the Milestones are not a focus of the Arena. It's open to anyone Level 40 and over.

    If the milestones rewards scaled the same way the 3* to 4* scaled the rewards would be more like 23-30 units, 2,250-3000 BC’s, 4,500-5,280 gold, and 2,600-3,240 PHC shards for the higher milestones. If you think of the PHC milestones as a chance, albeit a very small one, at getting a 4*, then PHC’s as rewards in a 4* arena make sense. In a 5* arena, there should be some small milestone reward that offers a chance at getting the same * champ that the arena is for. Even if the upper milestones were 25 5* shards, at least that would be something.
  • FPC3FPC3 Posts: 144 ★★
    edited February 2018
    Miike - what's the plan for when the Featured champ is one that hasn't been made available as a 5*? Will the 5* Featured Arena change to a different champ, or does that mean we'll NEVER see one of those champs as a Featured Arena champ ever again, even in the 4* Arena?

    That list would be the following:
    Black Bolt, Gamora, Ms. Marvel, Thor, Vision (both, either), War Machine, Deadpool X-Force, Magneto Marvel Now, Wolverine, Black Widow, Daredevil Classic, Abomination, Cap WW2, Electro, Joe Fixit, Doc Strange, Scarlet Witch
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    EBG78 wrote: »
    What do you suggest that wouldn't throw the other Arenas aside? 3* Shards? 4*? 5*? GMC Shards? The Milestones are consistent across all Arenas for a reason. They're scaled more the higher you go, but the Milestones are not a focus of the Arena. It's open to anyone Level 40 and over.

    If the milestones rewards scaled the same way the 3* to 4* scaled the rewards would be more like 23-30 units, 2,250-3000 BC’s, 4,500-5,280 gold, and 2,600-3,240 PHC shards for the higher milestones. If you think of the PHC milestones as a chance, albeit a very small one, at getting a 4*, then PHC’s as rewards in a 4* arena make sense. In a 5* arena, there should be some small milestone reward that offers a chance at getting the same * champ that the arena is for. Even if the upper milestones were 25 5* shards, at least that would be something.

    What I meant by that is they scale in PHC amount based on the Arena. It's still the same Crystal/Shards throughout. Think about it. If this Arena gave 3/4/5/GMC Shards, people wouldn't bother much with the others. The focus of the Arena is not the Milestones. Never has been. It's the Rewards. We don't rely on the Cryatals from Milestones. Units, perhaps.
  • Sith_LordSith_Lord Posts: 224 ★★
    There are a lot of people in here commenting about this arena that -

    A - Have no 5 stars in their profile
    B - Have only 1 R4 5*
    C - Have minimal arena PVP fights won, & or, minimally low PVP win streaks
    D - Do not spend to win in arena


    This arena will be for those who have multiple maxed 4 stars. An extensive 5* roster. Multiple R4 5* champs. A R5 5* champ. And 6 stars. No point in even participating in this arena, unless you're going for the featured, as the milestones are ****, & even in doing so as in going for the featured; you will still spend on units to refresh with the most sickest roster.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    So you think there's no point to the Arena unless you can Rank? Interesting strategy for progression. Lol
  • HulksmasshhHulksmasshh Posts: 742 ★★★
    Sith_Lord wrote: »
    There are a lot of people in here commenting about this arena that -

    A - Have no 5 stars in their profile
    B - Have only 1 R4 5*
    C - Have minimal arena PVP fights won, & or, minimally low PVP win streaks
    D - Do not spend to win in arena


    This arena will be for those who have multiple maxed 4 stars. An extensive 5* roster. Multiple R4 5* champs. A R5 5* champ. And 6 stars. No point in even participating in this arena, unless you're going for the featured, as the milestones are ****, & even in doing so as in going for the featured; you will still spend on units to refresh with the most sickest roster.

    2000 5* shards and 200 6* shards are not ****. I'm sorry they are not giving fully-formed 5* basic crystals as milestones but these rank rewards for 1-10%, 11-30% are the best we've seen for an arena ever. What will the cutoff be for top 1-10%? Who knows, but it's better than everything we have now.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    Sith_Lord wrote: »
    There are a lot of people in here commenting about this arena that -

    A - Have no 5 stars in their profile
    B - Have only 1 R4 5*
    C - Have minimal arena PVP fights won, & or, minimally low PVP win streaks
    D - Do not spend to win in arena


    This arena will be for those who have multiple maxed 4 stars. An extensive 5* roster. Multiple R4 5* champs. A R5 5* champ. And 6 stars. No point in even participating in this arena, unless you're going for the featured, as the milestones are ****, & even in doing so as in going for the featured; you will still spend on units to refresh with the most sickest roster.

    2000 5* shards and 200 6* shards are not ****. I'm sorry they are not giving fully-formed 5* basic crystals as milestones but these rank rewards for 1-10%, 11-30% are the best we've seen for an arena ever. What will the cutoff be for top 1-10%? Who knows, but it's better than everything we have now.

    Especially when you do the math. Multiply that by the number of Arenas a month, it adds up over time. It all goes into progression overall.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    Sith_Lord wrote: »
    There are a lot of people in here commenting about this arena that -

    A - Have no 5 stars in their profile
    B - Have only 1 R4 5*
    C - Have minimal arena PVP fights won, & or, minimally low PVP win streaks
    D - Do not spend to win in arena


    This arena will be for those who have multiple maxed 4 stars. An extensive 5* roster. Multiple R4 5* champs. A R5 5* champ. And 6 stars. No point in even participating in this arena, unless you're going for the featured, as the milestones are ****, & even in doing so as in going for the featured; you will still spend on units to refresh with the most sickest roster.

    2000 5* shards and 200 6* shards are not ****. I'm sorry they are not giving fully-formed 5* basic crystals as milestones but these rank rewards for 1-10%, 11-30% are the best we've seen for an arena ever. What will the cutoff be for top 1-10%? Who knows, but it's better than everything we have now.

    Mate, 2000 5* shards are not anything to top players. The 6* shards will be as they build up, but everything else aside from the featured champ is peanuts compared to top players.

    No one is at a point in the game where they're above 5* Shards.
  • FthewiggFthewigg Posts: 104
    Folks, since this is geared towards the big money spending minority, they won’t change a bleeping thing. They created this arena for the same reason they updated aw: to create a new revenue stream and to keep the big boys from getting bored.

    @Kabam Miike I ask you one question: since update 12.0 was touted as a necessity to maintain balance, how does the utilization of Kabam resources to create an arena targeting the top x% demonstrate balance?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    What we have is a situation where the expectations were higher than what the reality is. It's not the first time it's happened and it won't likely be the last.
  • HulksmasshhHulksmasshh Posts: 742 ★★★
    Sith_Lord wrote: »
    There are a lot of people in here commenting about this arena that -

    A - Have no 5 stars in their profile
    B - Have only 1 R4 5*
    C - Have minimal arena PVP fights won, & or, minimally low PVP win streaks
    D - Do not spend to win in arena


    This arena will be for those who have multiple maxed 4 stars. An extensive 5* roster. Multiple R4 5* champs. A R5 5* champ. And 6 stars. No point in even participating in this arena, unless you're going for the featured, as the milestones are ****, & even in doing so as in going for the featured; you will still spend on units to refresh with the most sickest roster.

    2000 5* shards and 200 6* shards are not ****. I'm sorry they are not giving fully-formed 5* basic crystals as milestones but these rank rewards for 1-10%, 11-30% are the best we've seen for an arena ever. What will the cutoff be for top 1-10%? Who knows, but it's better than everything we have now.

    Mate, 2000 5* shards are not anything to top players. The 6* shards will be as they build up, but everything else aside from the featured champ is peanuts compared to top players.

    Lol what are you talking about. 4000 5* shards a week is huge and more 5* shards = more 6* shards. If you get your 5* shards and 6* shards by spending odins every week on grandmaster crystals then so be it, this arena would be nothing to you. But a natural progression needs to be had and this arena is a nice bump-up from the previous.
  • Sith_Lord wrote: »
    There are a lot of people in here commenting about this arena that -

    A - Have no 5 stars in their profile
    B - Have only 1 R4 5*
    C - Have minimal arena PVP fights won, & or, minimally low PVP win streaks
    D - Do not spend to win in arena


    This arena will be for those who have multiple maxed 4 stars. An extensive 5* roster. Multiple R4 5* champs. A R5 5* champ. And 6 stars. No point in even participating in this arena, unless you're going for the featured, as the milestones are ****, & even in doing so as in going for the featured; you will still spend on units to refresh with the most sickest roster.

    2000 5* shards and 200 6* shards are not ****. I'm sorry they are not giving fully-formed 5* basic crystals as milestones but these rank rewards for 1-10%, 11-30% are the best we've seen for an arena ever. What will the cutoff be for top 1-10%? Who knows, but it's better than everything we have now.

    Mate, 2000 5* shards are not anything to top players. The 6* shards will be as they build up, but everything else aside from the featured champ is peanuts compared to top players.

    Everything is peanuts to the top players. In fact, in any game where any reasonably repeatable reward is not peanuts to the top players, someone in the dev team broken their calculator.
  • DarkestDestroyerDarkestDestroyer Posts: 2,570 ★★★★
    EBG78 wrote: »
    What do you suggest that wouldn't throw the other Arenas aside? 3* Shards? 4*? 5*? GMC Shards? The Milestones are consistent across all Arenas for a reason. They're scaled more the higher you go, but the Milestones are not a focus of the Arena. It's open to anyone Level 40 and over.

    If the milestones rewards scaled the same way the 3* to 4* scaled the rewards would be more like 23-30 units, 2,250-3000 BC’s, 4,500-5,280 gold, and 2,600-3,240 PHC shards for the higher milestones. If you think of the PHC milestones as a chance, albeit a very small one, at getting a 4*, then PHC’s as rewards in a 4* arena make sense. In a 5* arena, there should be some small milestone reward that offers a chance at getting the same * champ that the arena is for. Even if the upper milestones were 25 5* shards, at least that would be something.

    What I meant by that is they scale in PHC amount based on the Arena. It's still the same Crystal/Shards throughout. Think about it. If this Arena gave 3/4/5/GMC Shards, people wouldn't bother much with the others. The focus of the Arena is not the Milestones. Never has been. It's the Rewards. We don't rely on the Cryatals from Milestones. Units, perhaps.

    Why don't you just stop sticking up for Kabam constantly?

    The 5* arena shouldn't have PHC anywhere near it mate, let's be realistic.

    Maybe not GMC but at least 4* shards in the milestones, the units are terrible too.

    Another thing is why not a 5* basic arena? They want to make 5* more available and are scared to give out too many 5* champs, hence there being no 5* basic arena.

    This is only happening due to the stupid changes to the feature crystal, instead of waiting 12 weeks for the champ to enter the feature crystal, come spend some odins in arena, if you miss out just remember... go spend more odins on featured GMC crystals.

    All these new things do, is benifit Kabam with money, nothing about helping the players or for the players.

    Manipulation at the highest.
  • Another thing is why not a 5* basic arena?

    The logical reason for not having a 5* basic arena is to create a delay between when a 5* champion appears in the featured arena and when it appears in the basic arena. For at least as long as the intended delay, there can be no 5* basic arena. That's separate from the decision on whether to have one. Whether you have one or not, it would not be a good idea to launch it at the same time as the featured one. I wouldn't expect to see a basic arena for at least six months.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    EBG78 wrote: »
    What do you suggest that wouldn't throw the other Arenas aside? 3* Shards? 4*? 5*? GMC Shards? The Milestones are consistent across all Arenas for a reason. They're scaled more the higher you go, but the Milestones are not a focus of the Arena. It's open to anyone Level 40 and over.

    If the milestones rewards scaled the same way the 3* to 4* scaled the rewards would be more like 23-30 units, 2,250-3000 BC’s, 4,500-5,280 gold, and 2,600-3,240 PHC shards for the higher milestones. If you think of the PHC milestones as a chance, albeit a very small one, at getting a 4*, then PHC’s as rewards in a 4* arena make sense. In a 5* arena, there should be some small milestone reward that offers a chance at getting the same * champ that the arena is for. Even if the upper milestones were 25 5* shards, at least that would be something.

    What I meant by that is they scale in PHC amount based on the Arena. It's still the same Crystal/Shards throughout. Think about it. If this Arena gave 3/4/5/GMC Shards, people wouldn't bother much with the others. The focus of the Arena is not the Milestones. Never has been. It's the Rewards. We don't rely on the Cryatals from Milestones. Units, perhaps.

    Why don't you just stop sticking up for Kabam constantly?

    The 5* arena shouldn't have PHC anywhere near it mate, let's be realistic.

    Maybe not GMC but at least 4* shards in the milestones, the units are terrible too.

    Another thing is why not a 5* basic arena? They want to make 5* more available and are scared to give out too many 5* champs, hence there being no 5* basic arena.

    This is only happening due to the stupid changes to the feature crystal, instead of waiting 12 weeks for the champ to enter the feature crystal, come spend some odins in arena, if you miss out just remember... go spend more odins on featured GMC crystals.

    All these new things do, is benifit Kabam with money, nothing about helping the players or for the players.

    Manipulation at the highest.

    If that's how you want to look at it, that's entirely up to you. All I see is a new Arena, one that people have been asking for since long before the changes to the Crystals were announced. They released it after, yes. No doubt because people were wondering where else they could get 5* Featured Champs. If you see that as some type of lucrative plot, that's up to you. As for the PHC, I've already explained why it's consistent and fair. They aren't likely to replace them with 4* Shards because that would offset other systems. Milestones are PHC across the board for Champ Arenas. They're not the focus of the Arena. No idea why people are personally offended by that. The Arena is open to anyone over Level 40 but the Rewards are only accessible to those that can put up the Points.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Another thing is why not a 5* basic arena?

    The logical reason for not having a 5* basic arena is to create a delay between when a 5* champion appears in the featured arena and when it appears in the basic arena. For at least as long as the intended delay, there can be no 5* basic arena. That's separate from the decision on whether to have one. Whether you have one or not, it would not be a good idea to launch it at the same time as the featured one. I wouldn't expect to see a basic arena for at least six months.

    Good point. Never thought of that.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,835 ★★★★★
    @GroundedWisdom I’d like to read other people’s opinions. I’ve read yours over a dozen times.

    I'm sorry. I was unaware that you're in control of who participates. If not, please feel free to go to my Profile and click Ignore on the drop down. I'll most likely continue to participate in the Thread, so that may be the best option for you.
  • This is only happening due to the stupid changes to the feature crystal, instead of waiting 12 weeks for the champ to enter the feature crystal, come spend some odins in arena, if you miss out just remember... go spend more odins on featured GMC crystals.

    I should also point out that this arena isn't happening because of the changes to the 5* featured crystal, rather a whole bunch of related changes are happening for a single root cause. There's a tiny bit of chicken and egg to it, but ultimately it comes down to the fact that 5* champions were not going to become more available unless 6* champions displaced them at the top of the food chain. As rank up materials became more common, players were beginning to max out their 4* rosters much quicker, prompting Kabam to increase 5* shard availability, prompting them to begin the process of bringing 6* champions into the game, which also prompted them to start reducing the need for 5* champions to be the top pursuit goal. That led to Kabam changing the way they dealt with 5* featured and basic champion schedules, accelerating adding 5* champions to the basic crystal. The increase in shard availability caused them to revisit the design of the 5* featured crystal within that new higher availability.

    5* featured arenas are a separate logical consequence of the introduction of 6* champions. They aren't caused by the 5* featured crystal change, both changes are consequences of 5* champions no longer being the top pursuit goal in the game.
  • XygonXygon Posts: 85
    I get the comment on GMC vs Uncollected, but let me add my voice to the feedback that, for most of those going this path, GMC just makes a lot more sense.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Posts: 6,532 ★★★★★
    bloodyCain wrote: »
    There will be a huge gap between most players and top 150 in 5* featured arena. 4* is getting outdated unless you wanna play casually in AQ and AW
    bloodyCain wrote: »
    There will be a huge gap between most players and top 150 in 5* featured arena. 4* is getting outdated unless you wanna play casually in AQ and AW

    You want to retire because the top 150 will get featured 5*s at a faster rate? You can only actually use so many champs. Don't worry about the top 150 players. If you enjoy the game, play it. If you don't, retire. But who cares about what the top grinders do?
  • RedRoosterRedRooster Posts: 337 ★★
    Drop in a boost you can probably get 180-200K per round just refreshing those 3 6* champs.

    Seems like anyone with 3 6* champs will be able to set the market rate for a 5* featured, wonder what it will be... 3 or 4 Odins?
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