In all honesty i cant think of any other game that prevents progress based on rarity that can't be farmed.
I can think of a game that is accused of this all the time. This one. And every time it happens, the statement is that, yes, this has happened in the past before, but this time its different. This is just another time when it is different.
And in this case, I don't see it as preventing progress based on rarity that can't be farmed. People keep saying its all about luck, but I don't see this as having anything to do with luck. To assemble a small perfect team takes enormous luck, and since I don't have that kind of luck I assume that's impossible and forget about it immediately. Instead, my strategy is to assemble the widest, most diverse roster possible by trying to generate as many crystal openings as possible, and focusing those in directions I believe are statistically most likely to generate wide rosters. For example, I recently did an experiment of opening sixteen featured crystals in a row. I did that in part because at the time I didn't have almost any of the champs in the featured crystal. I don't think in terms of the one special lucky pull, so I don't value the crystal in terms of "god tier champs." I viewed it in terms of ability to generate new pulls, and decided to take a shot at it accordingly. I'm now pulling basics because I've shifted my strategy: I'm now perfectly fine with duplicating champs, because dups generate 6* shards and I'm trying to build up my 6* roster as quickly as is possible for my current playstyle.
None of these things is luck, none of these things relies on luck, and no matter how bad my luck is, anything within the reasonable realm of possibility wouldn't invalidate any of my gameplay strategies. Luck is great, but I don't need luck, and don't rely on luck. I rely on long term averages and efficiency.
Here's what luck means to me. Every 5* pull is either a new champ or a dup. All my new champs are great for me, because it means I can grind more or more efficiently in the arena. All my dups are great for me, because it means I get closer to my next 6* champ. If you locked all my 5* crystal openings to be Hulkbuster from now to the end of time, that would be horrible luck, and yet it would also mean every pull generated 6* shards, and then Hulkbuster would get maxed out and then every pull would generate a max signature crystal. I can live with that: I'd pour signature stones into Hulkbuster if I knew this would happen, to speed it along. Luck doesn't matter to me in the long run, because my playstyle insulates me from the worst downsides of random chance.
Maybe this is less about strategy and more about perspective. I choose to have a useful perspective.
@DNA3000 well i already know this game hence why i said any other game
I think you have misinterpreted my post. I'm not talking about having the so called "god tier" champions to be able to do the content. I am talking about specific champion requirements to pass certain content. I would have to disagree that its less about strategy.
It sounds like you have a big roster and therefore are not seeing the potential issue players will face when trying to do act 6 with this limitation. I will give you an example, this months monthly quest in the last quest on uncollected you have an Bio-shock/Nano Abomination. So here you need to bring a champion which is both bleed and poison immune but with the added nano node they also can't be a robot or will take shock damage instead of the poison you get for hitting him. Lets say this is limited to 5 and 6*. So what are my options ? Iceman ofc most obvious, we also have Dormammu and Emma Frost. Omega red also i guess ghost could be used if you play around using the phasing to purify. so that is a possible 5 champions out of 114 in the 5* pool atm. I have an iceman so that is what i will use to get past him. However like i said in my last post, I only pulled him recently after two years of him being introduced. So if there is similar fights in act 6 that have such a specific mechanic that to effectively get past it I would need certain champs how does that not make it luck based ?
also it seems like you are in a position to be able to grind out arena (5*) on top of completing all the content on a consistent basis. How long did it take to save up for 16 featured crystals ? I would say for me personally on average i can get 20,000 5* shards a month. In Order to open 16 featured's i would have to save for 12 months. I have 100% Act 5 and even done initial completion of variant. I would say i still use 4* to tackle certain challenges where my 5* roster is lacking. I have 48 5* champions and 4 6* champions, yet still have gaps in my roster to handle niche scenarios. so i would say for the majority of players who work their way through act 5 100% they will not be in a position at the end of that to have such large rosters that they will never need their 4* to overcome very specific nodes and match ups. Which means they will be waiting to pull a champion that can help them which is entirely based on luck.
With 48 5* Champs and 4 6* Champs, there is most definitely something you can use in Act 6. People need to move past the mindset that there are a few ideal Champs that can be used, and the rest are filler. Are there some that won't be much use? Sure. That doesn't mean that everything outside of the norm is no good.
you have literally ignored most of what i said and attached yourself to the numbers of my roster.
You think me to be an idiot who has managed to clear act 5 and variant and not understand how to use my roster?
i just told you that there is gaps in my pulls at 5* that are filled by 4* and the current state of the game it's not easy to fill those gaps.
Act 6 will be the most challenging content and with that certain paths/match ups etc require specific champions to deal with, without just throwing units/potions/revives at it all. if you don't have a champ to deal with it no amount of skill will help you. example i gave above with a bio-hazard nano-tech abomination. If i don't have Iceman, Dormammu, Emma Frost, Omega Red, Ghost. My strategy would have to be go in do as much damage pray for no bleeds and poison and if i die revive and heal up and repeat. Effectively the strategy is spend/use resources to get past content.
I didn't think of you as an idiot at all. What I do think is people are overreacting. I focused on your Roster to highlight the fact that you'll be able to do it. Yes, it's going to be the most difficult Storymode content yet. That's the point. It's the equivalent of Act 5 being released and people not having 3*s to depend on. However, when Act 5 was released, we didn't have the powerful Champs and combinations to cut through content. It wasn't necessary to create such a roadblock at that time. This is no different than any other piece of content that is released that people will have to work towards. It's almost seen as a personal offense if people don't have everything they need when something comes out, to slay it without investing too much effort. We won't always have what we need, and sometimes we might have what we need to do it, we just won't have the best option. It's not the responsibility of the game to make sure we have the best solution. Not when solutions are earned through game play. It's the same even now for people who are still trying to find the best 4*s to get through content. They do the best they can with what they have. It's not like people get to a point where they shouldn't have to struggle. Not unless they're on the upper crust and literally have EVERYTHING. In which case, you wouldn't see them complaining much. So, yes. I focused on your Roster to point out the fact that you'll have what you need to get through it. I didn't focus on what you won't be able to use because that is the whole point of the challenge level.
Well the fact you think being told half your champions that you have worked hard to acquire and use resources to rank up are now worthless is overreaction says it all. Not to mention this was only mentioned 1 week prior to release. People have been preparing for act 6 for some time. It has been mentioned before 4* will still be viable. They were pushing a lot of offers around 4* champs in recent months, which people would of purchased with potentially act 6 in mind. A r5/50 SL at max sig is better then a r3/45 Unawakened SL.
no powerful champions for act 5 you say ? - Medusa, Blade, Hyperion, AA, Dr Vodoo, Iceman, Morningstar, Angela, Magic, GP, GR, Sparky, Quake yeah guess these champions that were release prior to or in the same year as act 5 suck.
No one is even saying they need to have all champions. Honestly you do not even read the comments properly you seem to just want to say this is acceptable for the sake of it without really providing a counter argument for why you think this restriction is acceptable.
People have built teams around their roster, what champions they have for synergies, who they have duped and not. Rank up decisions are based on what they have and don't have.
with the reference to Act 5 being released and 3* being banned. This actually would of been more acceptable. why you might wonder ? well because:- - PHC have been available from the time we started playing. These give a chance to get a 4* - There was so many places to farm PHC shards so you could grind alot of these - The arena had 4* basic and a 4* featured for some time so it was another way for players to grind for champions - Resource acquisition meant as you progress you could easily take 4* past the level of 3* and because of this you naturally phased out 3*
When you become uncollected you get 2 GMC a month which give you 1* chance at a 5*
what is your roster like may i ask? Are you f2p/Casual or do you spend money on crystals?
Just want to give a hint to anyone that hates this decision as i do as well...i would personally not ever rank up any 4* to 550 again... there's literally no point I'm only maybe doing 440 just for arena... helps with the infinite streak but other than that yeah kabam def killed off 4*s with this...i expect all the arenas 4*and lower to drop substantially and for the whales to be thoroughly milked lol damn shame really all jokes aside!
I'm thinking on leaving Mcoc... This new 4* restriction went beyond what I could tolerate. I'm Brazilian and the prices of the offers are too expensive for most of people in Brazil because of the exchange rate. At this moment, I can't afford buying a 5* roster to keep progressing in the game. This doesn't mean I don't spend in the game, I do. I spend a good amount of money to buy units, and offers in general, but when I see offers around 39.90 US dollars, it becomes too expensive for just a game, once it is about R$ 160.00 (Reais, BRL) and it is around the 1/6 of the minimum wage in Brazil. The recent offers of 4* shards and crystals kept the same price as before. Why would I pay for something I won’t be able to use anymore?
I think Kabam took the wrong direction with this decision and I hope they revert it. Otherwise they will be jeopardizing their customer base.
So, as I'm sure everywhere is aware by now 4* will be restricted in act 6. Well I'm just here to say how incredibly happy I am to hear that news. After all, 6* champions are significantly stronger than 4*, so thank you Kabam for thinking of the community first with this change. I can't wait to tear through Act 6 with my completely stacked choice of 6* characters!!!
Sarcasm mates.
Id trade you a karnac or my recent 5th 6* YJ in a heartbeat for that Luke cage lol seriously but i agree with you for sure the 4*restriction is absolutely horrendous
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
Honestly I dont care that it is the first part of act 6... It is harder than the last part of act 5 so the rewards should be at least as good. What is a 5 star rank 2 to 3 going to do... it brings the champion up to the strength of a 4 star which is not even allowed to be used so obviously that strength isnt enough... I believe there needs to be a higher consideration when it come to deciding on rewards... I'm not even going to touch the requirement issue again...
The rewards for the first part of act 6 should be at least as good as the final rewards for act 5? That's not how it's ever worked in the game. Also the fact that it's harder isn't relevant. A lot of time has passed. No one had a 5/65 when they did the last chapter of act 5 (at least when it came out).
Nothing I’ve seen from the team dissuades me that the game team is tired of making content only to see (1) certain, select and readily available 3/4*’s wreck it or (2) certain 5/6* champs at the top of the power curve wreck it with the help of synergies from low-rarity champs.
That’s what all of Kabam Goggy’s “tightly constructed” gobbledygook was about.
What will be fun is seeing how much everyone likes it when Cavalier difficulty becomes the new UC with all the juicy treats. Playing (and spending) for years but being artificially gated from content may be just enough to turn the addicts back into discerning customers.
That is the problem nobody understands their rational. We are not asking for an incomprehensible answer we want to understand why they choose to make this decision
It makes perfect sense to me, and to be blunt I don't think most of the people claiming to not understand it actually don't understand it. They just don't agree with it, and can't wrap their minds around the fact that some people do things for reasons they don't agree with, so they must be lying or obfuscating when they express those reasons.
Game development is always trying to implement compromises among a large number of often opposing priorities and criteria. Almost everything you do as a game developer has at least one really good reason to *not* do it, but you're doing it because there are more reasons to do it than not. To try to accommodate all of those differing priorities you often end up with something that doesn't absolutely honor one priority to the exclusion of all others, which can be used against you when players claim that what you did obviously doesn't "correctly" implement any clear priority.
This game has always had progression gates. A progression gate segregates players into those on one side of the gate and those on the other side of the gate. Whenever you implement a gate, some players will complain when they find themselves on the wrong side of the gate. But that's working as intended: that's the purpose of the gate. If everyone who wanted to be past the gate was past the gate, the gate's worthless.
The gates in the game have generally, but not completely, been implemented from the bottom up, because the nature of the game is that it has grown upward in complexity and difficulty (it can't really be otherwise). The earliest gates could use simple metrics that existed in the game, for example level gates. But as the game continued to grow upward, those metrics simply "ran out" and they had to resort to other progression metrics to continue to gate the game. Uncollected, for example, is a novel (in this game) gate: it isn't just a prerequisite to get to the next piece of content, it unlocks a lot of other development opportunities in the form of enhanced crystals and higher reward monthly content. Importantly, this kind of gate didn't exist until it did: it set the precedent that the devs were willing to add new kinds of gates to the game.
Level is an obvious metric that measures progress. Which content you complete is another one. But another measure of progress that has always existed in the game is roster strength. It factors into prestige which influences AQ rewards (and at one time prestige was *the* metric for progress for level-capped players). It has in the past been the metric used to calibrate things like compensation packages based on progress. It is a highly imperfect metric of progress, but it was *used* in the game.
The devs wanted a new progress gate leading into Act 6 and the ones that had been used previously were seen as inadequate. They didn't want it to be a trivial prerequisite like do 5.1 and you get to do 5.2. Prerequisites aren't progress gates, because there's no well-defined barrier to overcome beyond just keep playing (players can argue that this should be sufficient, which is tantamount to saying no progress gates should exist at all, but that's a separate complicated argument).
I find that to be a misnomer. Buying Champs is only a small way to acquire them. The majority comes from game play. If you're buying all your Champs to get through all content, that road is expensive before you even get to Act 6.
Also you must not be familiar with arena mercs and the oh so glorious daily deals insert sarcasm and all the gmcs coming back right before act 6... Bro open your eyes this is purely to increase sales of all of these items in game... whale milking 101
No, it's not. No matter how many times people say it's just for money, that's not going to make it the case. If you really wanted the reason, the long and short of it is really quite simple. To make it harder to do.
You keep thinking that... I've been around in mcoc waaaayyy to long to know the difference for entitled to your opinion though & good luck getting 100%in act 5
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
You’re still missing the whole point; I rank 5’d 4*s instead of r3ing 5*s because I’d never r4 the 5* version. They’re now useless in act 6. The resources, gone. Synergies, many people r5’d 5*s with the assumption that they could use 4*s to fill their synergy. Completely rng dependent. No reason to think different or warning to the contrary. And finally, there are skilled people out there that can do the content with 4*s because their 5* luck is terrible. It’s complete bs that they’re now excluded.
All these reasons are perfectly valid yet it’s like you don’t read or comprehend any of these arguments which have been repeated ad nauseam.
If you've been around that long, then you should know people cry "Money pit!" with every decision they don't like.
I actually agree with just about all of this... accept sometimes those people crying are justified and right... all im saying but good luck to you I still look forward to hoping in act 6 on Wednesday either way because I've built my roster to the best of my abilities based on non spending habits and rng and a ton of patience... still a absolute shame we can't bring 4*s but hey... this is kabam we're talking about here... LET THE WHALE MILKING COMMENCE!😆
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
well then your viewpoint is coming from a different perspective as you would be classed as a spender. Is it safe to say you have spent money on boosts, revives and potions to help clear difficult content before ?
Well actually what this means is yeah 4* are Obsolete. If you shift your focus to now meeting the requirements of Act 6 why would we ever end up going back.
In terms of viability people are proving every day that skilled players can tackle the content with 4*.
well their objectives with this roadblock is pretty much money orientated. I imagine with the release of all these top tier 5* FGMC they planning they are hoping for people to jump at the chances of these.
Also i have to disagree to some extent on the average players progression upon reaching act 6. New players wont have as much of an issue as from a early point they will begin to phase out 4* a lot quicker and plan for it. Because resources are scarce people are very reluctant to take up 5* past r3 and also they are waiting for that dupe. Hell even rewards from act5 are 4* focused to a degree with the 2 4* 4-5 gems and 4 star crystal. Also variant also pushed people down the route of promoting the use of 4* to tackle all the different nodes if they didn't have a 5* that could do it but had the 4* version as a maxed out 4* is as good as a r3 5* and that is enough. Like i said out of the 48 5* i have only 6 of them are at r4 or above. One reason is i don't have resources to promote that often.
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
well then your viewpoint is coming from a different perspective as you would be classed as a spender. Is it safe to say you have spent money on boosts, revives and potions to help clear difficult content before ?
Well actually what this means is yeah 4* are Obsolete. If you shift your focus to now meeting the requirements of Act 6 why would we ever end up going back.
In terms of viability people are proving every day that skilled players can tackle the content with 4*.
well their objectives with this roadblock is pretty much money orientated. I imagine with the release of all these top tier 5* FGMC they planning they are hoping for people to jump at the chances of these.
Also i have to disagree to some extent on the average players progression upon reaching act 6. New players wont have as much of an issue as from a early point they will begin to phase out 4* a lot quicker and plan for it. Because resources are scarce people are very reluctant to take up 5* past r3 and also they are waiting for that dupe. Hell even rewards from act5 are 4* focused to a degree with the 2 4* 4-5 gems and 4 star crystal. Also variant also pushed people down the route of promoting the use of 4* to tackle all the different nodes if they didn't have a 5* that could do it but had the 4* version as a maxed out 4* is as good as a r3 5* and that is enough. Like i said out of the 48 5* i have only 6 of them are at r4 or above. One reason is i don't have resources to promote that often.
There's an entire game outside of Act 6 that you can use 4*s on. It's one aspect of the game. Not being able to use 4*s in it does not make it obsolete. Nor does it mean they're phasing them out. It just means within Storymode, you can't rely on them up to a certain point. I'm sorry, but the whole idea of it being money-oriented is just plain old conjecture, and the only thing it's based on is the fact that one way you can acquire Champs is by spending. That's not the only way, it isn't even the main way, or the focus of the game. You get them through playing the game. There are a number of sources for Shards, and those sources increase periodically. All this emphasis on Ranking the "right" Champs is pretty blind to the use of others. Granted, there are some that can't do much of anything, I won't argue that. However, if you're expecting to take an R5 4* into Act 6, you can do the same with an R3 5*, and that doesn't take much in terms of Resources at all. That argument isn't sound with me. You don't have to spend to do anything. All money does is speed up the process. However, if you're trying to convince me that out of a pool of 48, there's nothing that can be used for Act 6, I'm afraid that's not even statistically sound with me.
So, there’s literally never been any restriction on champs for story mode, and with a week notice, they remove 80-90% of rosters from participation? Even if you want to look at 5/50 and higher champs, for many players, more than half their eligible champs are gone.
Tbh the ban isn’t a big deal. I don’t see anyone making noise about having to have wasted resources on their 3*s. 😂
The ban is a big deal. Especially for someone like me who managed to complete act 5 largely due to my GR(4*) + Blade synergy, my 4* Loki that wrecked Act 5 Ultron & 4* SL that swept through RoL. 4*s are still very viable for end game content as it stands.
Lol you won’t wanna bring 4*s into A6 really.. the only use for them there is synergy. And it sounds like your roster isn’t developed enough yet.
Have you completed, or explored, A5? It makes a lot of difference.
I 100% act 5 with just 4* I can guarantee I’d be able to use them for non synergy purposes
You’re a fresh Level 60 with 1 R5. A6 isn’t made for you.
Are you looking at the pi of the champs 30k is easy so why isn’t it made for me enlighten me
The fact that you’re complaining about it coupled with your account just says that you don’t have the roster depth for it.
The fact is I’d have the skill to do it but due to not having the 4* I’m lacking a lot of the niche counters that’s my point
Then wait for the champs. Tbh your account is underdeveloped even compared to both my secondary accounts, both of which also 100% A5 with 4*s.
In addition you’re not even in a competitive alliance (1.45k war rating). I don’t see why you cannot wait and develop your account more before even commenting on content that’s obviously not designed for you.
I could be in a higher ally if I wanted I’ve gotten offers from plat ally’s and “content that is not designed for you” I was accused of being a modder for doing act 5 100% so early so I’m pretty sure I’m ready for act 6
Nothing I’ve seen from the team dissuades me that the game team is tired of making content only to see (1) certain, select and readily available 3/4*’s wreck it or (2) certain 5/6* champs at the top of the power curve wreck it with the help of synergies from low-rarity champs.
That’s what all of Kabam Goggy’s “tightly constructed” gobbledygook was about.
What will be fun is seeing how much everyone likes it when Cavalier difficulty becomes the new UC with all the juicy treats. Playing (and spending) for years but being artificially gated from content may be just enough to turn the addicts back into discerning customers.
Dr. Zola
100% agree This is exactly the same thing i think as one of the drivers for this restriction. Which seems clear also by the fact by the number of paths in each quest and the energy required compared to act 5
Act 5.1. required a total of 2184 Act 6.1. will require 3600 energy
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
Seems like that new kabam mod stirred up a hornets nest with this info..I know business comes first and they gotta keep the game going in different directions to maintain the difficulty of the game and keep it going for years to come, I believe the change discussion was a little out of the blue and shocking to most if all players of the game including me...maybe if the gave players a heads up about the change a month or a few weeks before it would happen it might of given players time to build what they need/ build of resources and not wasting them on 4* anymore. As we all know some resources are hard to come by and I can see why some are upset...as well as endgame play 4* had no problem in getting the job done...kinda stinks that 4* can’t be used now. They could of made some happy medium for the gamers before the out of the blues news...can’t please everyone but it could of been ran through the community to see what and how players of the game think about it before dropping a bomb and having a angry, mad mob go ape **** and rattle the community fourms with non stop WTF reply’s. I’m certain they probably demoted the mod that drop the news...because after reading the changes it really didn’t make sense to me and I’m sure a lot of others feel the same way.
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
You’re obviously not interjecting with common sense. You’re spouting bs excuses and clogging this thread like you do every single thread negative to Kabam. And you can’t stop.
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
I think pretty much all of your posts are irrelevant here if you aren't into the endgame (or at least, yknow, Act 5). I'm pretty sure experiences can make your opinion, so, if you don't have those experiences, basically everything you say doesn't matter lol.
Except that no-one else has any experience of Act 6 either, so your argument is invalid...
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
You’re obviously not interjecting with common sense. You’re spouting bs excuses and clogging this thread like you do every single thread negative to Kabam. And you can’t stop.
Pretty much every comment I've made on the subject is logical and sensical. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's nonsense. It's just not what you want to hear. Tell me, what's the value of the comments you're making about me, and what does that add to the conversation?
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
I think pretty much all of your posts are irrelevant here if you aren't into the endgame (or at least, yknow, Act 5). I'm pretty sure experiences can make your opinion, so, if you don't have those experiences, basically everything you say doesn't matter lol.
It's a discussion, and anyone can comment. I'm "into Act 5". Thanks for your feedback, though.
@GroundedWisdom ....bro, I’d just stay off the subject and continue on with your day, i know you might have a lot of knowledge of the game and the inside scoop most of the time but what’s the point in trying to smooth things out when there’s beef between the community and kabam? I mean you didn’t make the change and set the rules forth...peoples going to think what they want no matter how much explaining is done...you just gotta let it be. I appreciate your work in helping the community out and trying to keep peace amongst us all but certain things are out of your control, let the ones that get a paycheck from kabam do the heavy lifting...no need to put your head on a chopping block...especially if your not getting paid, your taking someone’s job away that get paid to reply to situations like this...don’t let them get a paycheck for doing nothing. Now if you just like to hang out all day and night and post in the fourms I guess that’s cool and can understand that...this is a subject that is very delicate and needs a kabam employee to address.
@GroundedWisdom ....bro, I’d just stay off the subject and continue on with your day, i know you might have a lot of knowledge of the game and the inside scoop most of the time but what’s the point in trying to smooth things out when there’s beef between the community and kabam? I mean you didn’t make the change and set the rules forth...peoples going to think what they want no matter how much explaining is done...you just gotta let it be. I appreciate your work in helping the community out and trying to keep peace amongst us all but certain things are out of your control, let the ones that get a paycheck from kabam do the heavy lifting...no need to put your head on a chopping block...especially if your not getting paid, your taking someone’s job away that get paid to reply to situations like this...don’t let them get a paycheck for doing nothing. Now if you just like to hang out all day and night and post in the fourms I guess that’s cool and can understand that...this is a subject that is very delicate and needs a kabam employee to address.
I was having conversations about the topic. I'm not trying to smooth anything over. Now, when someone addresses me with points, I will counter that with my own thoughts. That's just how it works. Trust me, I'm not responsible for smoothing anything over. That doesn't mean I need to agree when someone comes to me with illogical responses. It's just unfortunate that some can't have a debate without turning it into a personal slingfest.
@GroundedWisdom it’s cool man, just trying to help...this really isn’t a place to have debates though there’s nothing to gain...except more writing and posting...I can understand if your trying to make it to 14000 post, man..that must take some time...it’s like a high score holder in pac-man. LOL.
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Not to mention this was only mentioned 1 week prior to release. People have been preparing for act 6 for some time. It has been mentioned before 4* will still be viable. They were pushing a lot of offers around 4* champs in recent months, which people would of purchased with potentially act 6 in mind. A r5/50 SL at max sig is better then a r3/45 Unawakened SL.
no powerful champions for act 5 you say ?
- Medusa, Blade, Hyperion, AA, Dr Vodoo, Iceman, Morningstar, Angela, Magic, GP, GR, Sparky, Quake
yeah guess these champions that were release prior to or in the same year as act 5 suck.
No one is even saying they need to have all champions. Honestly you do not even read the comments properly you seem to just want to say this is acceptable for the sake of it without really providing a counter argument for why you think this restriction is acceptable.
People have built teams around their roster, what champions they have for synergies, who they have duped and not. Rank up decisions are based on what they have and don't have.
with the reference to Act 5 being released and 3* being banned. This actually would of been more acceptable. why you might wonder ?
well because:-
- PHC have been available from the time we started playing. These give a chance to get a 4*
- There was so many places to farm PHC shards so you could grind alot of these
- The arena had 4* basic and a 4* featured for some time so it was another way for players to grind for champions
- Resource acquisition meant as you progress you could easily take 4* past the level of 3* and because of this you naturally phased out 3*
When you become uncollected you get 2 GMC a month which give you 1* chance at a 5*
what is your roster like may i ask?
Are you f2p/Casual or do you spend money on crystals?
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway.
4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now.
As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have.
Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
That’s what all of Kabam Goggy’s “tightly constructed” gobbledygook was about.
What will be fun is seeing how much everyone likes it when Cavalier difficulty becomes the new UC with all the juicy treats. Playing (and spending) for years but being artificially gated from content may be just enough to turn the addicts back into discerning customers.
Dr. Zola
Synergies, many people r5’d 5*s with the assumption that they could use 4*s to fill their synergy. Completely rng dependent. No reason to think different or warning to the contrary.
And finally, there are skilled people out there that can do the content with 4*s because their 5* luck is terrible. It’s complete bs that they’re now excluded.
All these reasons are perfectly valid yet it’s like you don’t read or comprehend any of these arguments which have been repeated ad nauseam.
Well actually what this means is yeah 4* are Obsolete. If you shift your focus to now meeting the requirements of Act 6 why would we ever end up going back.
In terms of viability people are proving every day that skilled players can tackle the content with 4*.
well their objectives with this roadblock is pretty much money orientated. I imagine with the release of all these top tier 5* FGMC they planning they are hoping for people to jump at the chances of these.
Also i have to disagree to some extent on the average players progression upon reaching act 6. New players wont have as much of an issue as from a early point they will begin to phase out 4* a lot quicker and plan for it. Because resources are scarce people are very reluctant to take up 5* past r3 and also they are waiting for that dupe. Hell even rewards from act5 are 4* focused to a degree with the 2 4* 4-5 gems and 4 star crystal. Also variant also pushed people down the route of promoting the use of 4* to tackle all the different nodes if they didn't have a 5* that could do it but had the 4* version as a maxed out 4* is as good as a r3 5* and that is enough. Like i said out of the 48 5* i have only 6 of them are at r4 or above. One reason is i don't have resources to promote that often.
I'm sorry, but the whole idea of it being money-oriented is just plain old conjecture, and the only thing it's based on is the fact that one way you can acquire Champs is by spending. That's not the only way, it isn't even the main way, or the focus of the game. You get them through playing the game. There are a number of sources for Shards, and those sources increase periodically.
All this emphasis on Ranking the "right" Champs is pretty blind to the use of others. Granted, there are some that can't do much of anything, I won't argue that. However, if you're expecting to take an R5 4* into Act 6, you can do the same with an R3 5*, and that doesn't take much in terms of Resources at all. That argument isn't sound with me.
You don't have to spend to do anything. All money does is speed up the process. However, if you're trying to convince me that out of a pool of 48, there's nothing that can be used for Act 6, I'm afraid that's not even statistically sound with me.
This is exactly the same thing i think as one of the drivers for this restriction. Which seems clear also by the fact by the number of paths in each quest and the energy required compared to act 5
Act 5.1. required a total of 2184
Act 6.1. will require 3600 energy
I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done.
I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.