She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

Lormif · August 2019

Thecrusher_9756 said:

Lormif said:

RoOOts said:
First: We ONLY give RDT and Compensation if a champ is nerfed!

Then: Of course you NEVER nerf a character, you just destroy the abilities that have been there for years, because of a sudden "bug". 😂

The BEST! Its genius- and it even works. Nobody here has asked for rank down tickets so far.

P.S. Hood has also been nerfed. combo chains from him also have been known for years ... but then again: he seems a pretty solid counter vs. 6.2 champions ...obviously has to be nerfed ....sorry i mean debugged. 🤣

several people have asked for RDTs in here.
And rightly so

I was countering his claim that no one had asked for them, not if it was right or not.

Kobster84 · August 2019

They should issue rank down tickets
Thankfully I didn’t rank her up yet (was just about to) but this has been part of she hulks kit since 2016 so I would consider this a nerf especially as other champs with the same animation can do it
Kabam did state whenever they nerfed a champ they would issue rank down tickets

Thecrusher_9756 · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Genuine question then. Are you going to nerf all the champs that can do this then? Thinking of ranking up Doc oc but don’t want to waste resources

RogerRabs · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

You let this happen for 3 years then as soon as it’s useful you “fix it”. What a coincidence.

How are we supposed to trust you and make rank up decisions if we never know when something might be deemed a “bug”?

DalBot · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔

Kobster84 · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

No offense but in that case every champ should have the same animations because some champs can shallow evade better etc or will voodoo have his one nerfed soon as it wasn’t intended

Ultimatheory · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

I think the team needs to do a real hard look at the game mechanics and how people have been using them for a long time. Really understand how this impacts a lot of players. And then at least have some understanding from where we are coming from.

SugoiSibi · August 2019

Lormif said:

Ascoop24 said:
If this was a fix for a bug why was it never posted or discussed in the known issues thread or anywhere in bugs page. Totally agree with everyone that says this is coming out of nowhere and think it is for sure a nerf to she-hulk.
you mean like here:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/156095/she-hulks-heavy#latest

There have actually been lots of it in bugs.

The link that you posted there is of a player complaining that she isnt working as she did before the update.. they are complaining about the nerf..

This is a nerf for a simple reason.. her ability to chain a heavy into her combo was never a bug.. you can see in seatins new video, that OML can do it aswell..but her heavy causes the slow debuff and if you can chain the heavy after each combo it gives you easy access to the debuff and it counters the campion boss in 6.2, which was supposed to be the new collector fight..

So the difference between a fix and a nerf is the reason behind making the change.. they dont want to fix the game cos it didnt need fixing, they want to hinder her ability to counter the champion boss in 6.2 and other new content they put out to drain our pockets

Ordalca · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And the fact that this comes after many people ranked her for path 4 in war and bosses in 6.2 means nothing I suppose.

The heavy out of a combo only was really reliable when the opponent was against the wall. Other than that, they could often back away from it and leave shehulk vulnerable.

Are we going to see other wall locks removed as well?

Nonu · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

People who ranked her up to R5 solely for her ability to combo into a Heavy attack to maintain her furies deserve a RDT.

Kabam Miike · August 2019

DalBot said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔

There would be no benefit to waiting to fix a bug. We fixed it when we became aware of it.

DrZola · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Honestly, people should get more than an apology here, Miike.

This was a specific mechanic known throughout the community for a while and a significant attribute of the champ. You guys need to be more attuned to what is happening in game and make “fixes” like this out of the gate, not months later.

I dodged this bullet and used mine at R3 for 6.2 content. But anyone who used their hard-to-get materials on her should get them back and then some.

Dr. Zola

mfleury · August 2019

This *bug fixes" just seem arbitry to me.

Kabam changed AA because he could stun even against stun immune nodes but its OK for some Champs to complete shut down nodes like domino.

And the worst part is, they don't even tell us what is a bug and what isn't. I have a R4 she hulk and was about to r5 her after the season rewards, glad I didn't because, although I still think she is worth R4, I don't know about r5 anymore.

RoOOts · August 2019

Well ... its also nowhere stated that champs can do a 5 hit combo. Could be a bug? wasn't a 2 hit combo intended earlier? Lets debugg all the champs with 2 hit combos!

This is no reasoning. If a champ can do stuff for years, no I correct me, if multiple champs can do the same stuff for years, one could assume it is as intended. No objectiving the issue for years, confirms that is not a bug.

Come on man: Nerf stuff if you want. But don't just lie in our face. It's disgusting.

Lormif · August 2019

DrZola said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Honestly, people should get more than an apology here, Miike.

This was a specific mechanic known throughout the community for a while and a significant attribute of the champ. You guys need to be more attuned to what is happening in game and make “fixes” like this out of the gate, not months later.

I dodged this bullet and used mine at R3 for 6.2 content. But anyone who used their hard-to-get materials on her should get them back and then some.

Dr. Zola

How do you fix something you dont know is broken, that does not make any sense.

LilMaddogHT · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

@Kabam Miike what is the expected time frame for 'fixing' all the other champions that can chain heavy at end of their combo...?

Cendar333 · August 2019

In the future it might be nice to dialogue with the community about upcoming changes that negatively impact champion performance on attack and look for feedback. When things are announced as a line on the changelog, even if this is feeling is not intended, it feels like you were trying to slide one by rather than fix a legitimate concern.

I understand that you might not have intended this and I understand and agree with the logic about making her conform to core game mechanics. However she hulk has been able to do this for as long as I can recall (although I'll be honest and say that outside of the arena grind she sat on my bench for the most part until her buff) and it seems odd to suddenly change something that has been around for a long time and positively impacts the player experience.

Huskers327 · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:

DalBot said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔

DalBot said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔
There would be no benefit to waiting to fix a bug. We fixed it when we became aware of it.

There is no way that you just became aware of this now. She has always been able to do it, and it has been prominent in end game content for months. The fact that Kabam provided no warning for this is absolutely unacceptable. I thought they were supposed to be trying to be more transparent and communicate better. Clearly that Is not the case.

SugoiSibi · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Shehulk has had this ability since she was released. How come that you never paid attention to this ability and thought it needed changing, but now that she counters your fun and interactive content, she needs to be fixed?

Are you trying to tell us that your departement needed 2 years to fix a "speed bug", as you called it in the title.

Dtl7714 · August 2019

I dont use she hulk so this is completely objective.

If there was a more inclusive list to known bugs instead of the 7 issues listed it would avoid stuff like this.

In addition if there working on a fix, they should list the issue in the known bugs. I'm not sure why they enjoy these stealth projects/fixes, but it's going to lead to people being irritated.

Its called transparency, which is probably why Kabam doesnt grasp the concept

Ordalca · August 2019

@Kabam Miike how exactly are you planning to “fix” shehulk’s heavy out of a combo?

DrZola · August 2019

Lormif said:

DrZola said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Honestly, people should get more than an apology here, Miike.

This was a specific mechanic known throughout the community for a while and a significant attribute of the champ. You guys need to be more attuned to what is happening in game and make “fixes” like this out of the gate, not months later.

I dodged this bullet and used mine at R3 for 6.2 content. But anyone who used their hard-to-get materials on her should get them back and then some.

Dr. Zola
How do you fix something you dont know is broken, that does not make any sense.

You do it, quite simply, because running the game is your job.

Dr. Zola

Lormif · August 2019

DrZola said:

Lormif said:

DrZola said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Honestly, people should get more than an apology here, Miike.

This was a specific mechanic known throughout the community for a while and a significant attribute of the champ. You guys need to be more attuned to what is happening in game and make “fixes” like this out of the gate, not months later.

I dodged this bullet and used mine at R3 for 6.2 content. But anyone who used their hard-to-get materials on her should get them back and then some.

Dr. Zola
How do you fix something you dont know is broken, that does not make any sense.
You do it, quite simply, because running the game is your job.

Dr. Zola

So you magically fix something you dont know about "because it is your job"? um, there is no magic in this world, if you dont know something is broke you cannot fix it.

Thecrusher_9756 · August 2019

Again, what are we meant to do with our other champs that can do this like OML and Doc Oc. Should we expect the same to happen to them?

JosephPoerio · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

@Kabam Miike I understand where you are coming from, but why can’t we get a fix for the issues affecting the players? Like Ghost’s intercept being blocked/parried in AW, Corvus’ coldsnap immunity not working on freezerburn nodes, the title notification not going away for summoners sigil title, etc. Why do all the “bug” fixes seem so lopsided?

Kobster84 · August 2019

Thecrusher_9756 said:
Again, what are we meant to do with our other champs that can do this like OML and Doc Oc. Should we expect the same to happen to them?

If they do it to doc oc I’m quitting the game can’t twke anymore of my champs being nerfed

Huskers327 · August 2019

Thecrusher_9756 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Thecrusher_9756 said:
Again, what are we meant to do with our other champs that can do this like OML and Doc Oc. Should we expect the same to happen to them?
No because neither can counter 6.2.6 champion and similar match ups
True but one of them can counter a certain path in the new variant very easily...

If they are going to start going after champs that can spam heavy against the wall, then that is going to be a very long list.

Cendar333 · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:

DalBot said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔

DalBot said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔
There would be no benefit to waiting to fix a bug. We fixed it when we became aware of it.

This explanation makes sense for bugs that negatively impact the player experience, but it might be nice to get an opportunity for feedback from the community before fixing things that had a positive impact on player experience. Just a piece of feedback.

DalBot · August 2019

Kabam Miike said:

DalBot said:

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔

DalBot said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔
There would be no benefit to waiting to fix a bug. We fixed it when we became aware of it.

that's patently untrue. Before she wasn't losing you money, now she is because people can beat 6.2.6 Champion with her. This is not a new function as a result of her revamp, she's been like this since 2016. So yes, there is a benefit to doing it now versus earlier.

DrZola · August 2019

Lormif said:

DrZola said:

Lormif said:

DrZola said:

Kabam Miike said:
Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Honestly, people should get more than an apology here, Miike.

This was a specific mechanic known throughout the community for a while and a significant attribute of the champ. You guys need to be more attuned to what is happening in game and make “fixes” like this out of the gate, not months later.

I dodged this bullet and used mine at R3 for 6.2 content. But anyone who used their hard-to-get materials on her should get them back and then some.

Dr. Zola
How do you fix something you dont know is broken, that does not make any sense.
You do it, quite simply, because running the game is your job.

Dr. Zola
So you magically fix something you dont know about "because it is your job"? um, there is no magic in this world, if you dont know something is broke you cannot fix it.

Unless you are literally a magician, magic is not your job. And there’s nothing magical about designing and administering a phone game, monitoring for quality issues, collecting data on champion use, customer progress. It’s part of the job of running a phone game.

To not know something like this is “broke,” you’d literally have to have zero knowledge that Content Creators and YouTube exist, no access to the internet, zero awareness of game data that shows players using SheHulk in end game content and probably have never opened the very game you created. Now, that would require some real magic.

Dr. Zola

She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

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