She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

This is absolutely terrible. People ranked her for that reason only. She had a unique ability that’s absolutely not op, but of course Kabam has to nerf her...

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Kobster84

If they do it to doc oc I’m quitting the game can’t twke anymore of my champs being nerfed

Huskers327

If they are going to start going after champs that can spam heavy against the wall, then that is going to be a very long list.

Cendar333

This explanation makes sense for bugs that negatively impact the player experience, but it might be nice to get an opportunity for feedback from the community before fixing things that had a positive impact on player experience. Just a piece of feedback.

DalBot

that's patently untrue. Before she wasn't losing you money, now she is because people can beat 6.2.6 Champion with her. This is not a new function as a result of her revamp, she's been like this since 2016. So yes, there is a benefit to doing it now versus earlier.

DrZola

Unless you are literally a magician, magic is not your job. And there’s nothing magical about designing and administering a phone game, monitoring for quality issues, collecting data on champion use, customer progress. It’s part of the job of running a phone game.

To not know something like this is “broke,” you’d literally have to have zero knowledge that Content Creators and YouTube exist, no access to the internet, zero awareness of game data that shows players using SheHulk in end game content and probably have never opened the very game you created. Now, that would require some real magic.

Dr. Zola

Thecrusher_9756

Exactly the point of most people in here. This is not a She Hulk exclusive ability so how are we supposed to know it’s a bug?? The least we deserve is rank down tickets

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Kabam Miike

This was not a mechanic of this Champion, and was not mentioned as one. All Champions have the same speed and cadence to their Attacks, and no Champion should be able to combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability.

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dynastyhowl

There are so many examples of ability text not being represented accurately in the game. Since this is the case they can literally call anything a bug and change it.

Kabam Miike

It's not like we're not trying to fix those bugs as well. Some of them are just easier to investigate/identify/fix than others. In this case, it was fixing the speed in which She-Hulk starts her Heavy attack, which was faster than all other Champions.

mfleury

If that is true, shouldn't every champ be able to use a sp1 or sp2 after a combo? Why some of them can't?

And don't tell me you are not aware of this when you said you would change the old captain marvel sp2 because of that.

Carmel1

you learned nothing from drax’s and AA’s “bug fix”/nerf.
If it was a bug, why you didn’t say anything sooner?
All the community knew that how she works but you expect us to believe you’ve just found out?

LilMaddogHT

Are you kidding me?... Pardon me Miike but you obviously don't play this game.

Kabam Miike

They all should be able to, and if they are not, that is a bug that should be reported. If you look back through the changelog, you'll see that we fix those issues when they arise. So if you see one that isn't consistently working, let us know!

Ultimatheory

Sorry this is very false. Every champion has very different attack speeds for their heavies.

mitchy231

I normally do not get involved in discussions like this, but I am feeling really down on the game right now. I spent the last week contemplating on who my next R5 would be, and decided to take SH to R5 (5*). I now find out two days later that she is being nerfed for the entire reason I ranked her. If feels like a completely slap in the face.

How could anyone possibly think this was a bug, when there are over 2 dozen champs in the game that currently have this exact same mechanic. Especially when Kabam just reworked the champ and had her go through an extensive beta testing with 1000s of users and then released its "final product" of her. The beta testing would have been the time for a nerf like this. Not months later after Kabam already gave her the mark of approval and released the "updated" champ to the game. It just makes no sense at all.

Now I just have no idea what to do here. If Kabam does in fact move forward with the nerf, I would think it only fair to allow anyone who ranked her up in the last month or two (since the update) to rank her down and reclaim those resources. Using me as an example here, I used a science awakening gem, 40 sig stones, a science R3-R4 2016 gem and a science R4-R5 gem (from Variant 3). 100%ing variant 3 costs me quite a bit of resources and actual money (buying units). Now it seems like all of that money and time/effort was a huge waste. It's like Kabam is just trying to remove any last bit of fun that was still left in the game.

I really hope Kabam can see this for what it is and try to make it right. Moves like this really pushes end game users away from the game.

Gamer

It get more and more bad the last few patches node havet fix backdraft itersup Hav Ben ther for 5 mouch now witout any speek abudt it it simepl not good enough anymore can’t keep frustrating even more that it need to be. Just because if she hulk had that didn’t meant to fix then go ahead and fix that benfis us and not self it get to a bit wher we all get frustrated angry and we ain’t even alow to spek op witout even get warring @Kabam Miike ikow you getting this delate and giv me one more it just get frustrated

mfleury

Yes, and my CM is waiting for her new sp2 you promised about 2 years ago. Where is it?

Thecrusher_9756

There are many champs that have different heavy speeds. For example Hyperion’s heavy seems to be a lot longer than most champs. Don’t believe it? Just test it on a limber node it gets to a point where he can’t parry and heavy anymore but that point seems to be a lot earlier than a lot of champs...

Cat_Murdock

Yup. Different speeds, different distances. Champions are not all the same. They can't all counter or interact with other champions/animations equally.

Jaded

That’s impossible. Obviously changed something of a champ that people used to determine if they would rank said champ or not. It is now being taken away. Fine if it wasn’t intended. But as a company they should offer a chance for people to rank down said champ to determine if they actually want to keep that champ at that level or not. It was a key aspect to her kit now with wasted resources. Maybe she’ll be just fine without it, but let us decide that properly.

Kabam Miike

Not the actual length of the Heavy Attack, but the time in which it takes to activate it. If you think Hyperion's is too slow, we can take a look to see if it's not working correctly.

Aleor

Can I please have a rdt? Lol. Ranked her only because of her heavy to see this. This sucks, like a lot. From a skill based champ she now becomes rng trash, you just can't hit enemy enough to keep them above a bar of power without this heavy chain, wich was just perfect for her abilities. Also for all of us who ranked her for 6.2 champ, we now have ton of recourses wasted

Greywarden

You gotta see how this looks right? YT videos have been out for months about this when She Hulk was first used to beat 6.2 Champion as well as probably countless forum posts and reddit posts about how effective she was for that piece of end game content.

Plenty of opportunities for a mod to poke their head in and say this wasn't intended and being looked into but instead this went on for months and people used their hard to acquire rank up materials unaware until just now.

Unintended or not, communication needs to be a lot better and the transparency has been lacking for years now.

Thecrusher_9756

I’m on about the time it takes to activate it please do look into it

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DNA3000

This really needs to get squashed. There's no such thing as a bug that is to the benefit of the players as a whole or to the detriment of the players as a whole. The She-Hulk bug benefits *some* players, and that means it is to the detriment of all the other players. And no bug is to the benefit or the detriment of Kabam itself.

Power and difficulty in the game are relative. The content in the game is targeted at player averages. When the players get collectively stronger, the content gets more difficult and vice versa. Games like this are driven by datamining that tells the developers when they need to increase or decrease difficulty. In a real sense, the game's difficulty is graded on a curve.

When a performance bug "helps" players it only helps some players most of the time, and because content is designed on a curve, in the long run those bugs hurt everyone else. That's why bugs and exploits need to be fixed when they happen: they offer an unintended advantage to some players *over* other players who are then disadvantaged. And because difficulty is graded on a curve, that disadvantage gets ultimately translated into a real penalty over time.

The idea that any bug can "harm" Kabam in this kind of sense is ridiculous. If the players get more power than intended, Kabam just makes the difficulty higher to compensate That's what they are constantly doing anyway. In the long run, it doesn't matter to the game, or to Kabam's revenues, or anything like that. The *only* people harmed by bugs are the players. Either the bug directly harms the players in obvious ways, or it helps a subset of players in an obvious way and indirectly harms everyone else in an unobvious way.

This bug harms players. It just does so in a less obvious way. But the people thinking it shouldn't be fixed are literally like students realizing some people are getting the answers to the test by accident and doing better than they would, and cheering them on not realizing the tests are graded on a curve and every student not getting the answers is automatically getting a worse grade.

And sure, this will draw name calling and a bunch of meaningless disagrees, but if this causes even one out of a hundred people reading it to actually think about the situation instead of just blindly reacting to it, it's worth it.

Mr_Platypus

Or you know... you guys at kabam could go through all the champions in the game and check each and every one takes the exact same amount of time to ‘charge up’ a heavy attack...

DalBot

Even if you take the logic out of the equation here, the optics on this move with this timing are just terrible.

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