I will just say this as someone who has been looking at the abyss out of the corner of my eye but has not done any of it. I have R5 doom, Nick fury, Aegon (low sig), R5 max sig void (no torch), and Antman for the evade synergy. For me, this announcement makes it no more likely that I decide to run a single pass yet alone worry about exploration. I think if the goal was to entice people to play the content, this is not going to be effective at all. If this was an attempt to say thank you to players who have explored it, I am sure it is appreciated
A single pass of AoL is probably a better use of 5k units than anything else in the game. Idk what it costs for most people to explore 6.2 but I wouldn’t be surprised if most people don’t drop an Odin on Champion alone.
I don't have a Sinister counter so I left 6.2 at 54% atm. I did explore 6.3 and ahve 6.4 at 44%
I am at 1,300 units atm. we will see if I decide to save for the abyss, like I said it is in the corner of my eye. My point was I am just not certain this makes me more likely to do it.
Oh I fully understand that - was just saying if you’re going to unit your way through something this is currently the best bang for your buck. I’m not touching 6.2 again until AoL 100% and 6.3 100% tbh. No thank you!
Like many others, the big problem I see with this selector is that you have to choose a class of crystal before you have a chance of opening your T5CC. If they really wanted the rewards to help Summoners feel as if 100% exploring the Abyss is a "monumental" (in their words) step forward in their progression, then they should make the selector something you can collect and then use AFTER you open the T5CC so you at least know what class of champion you should be looking for options in. I'm nowhere near having the time or patience needed to 100% the Abyss right now, but when I do, this doesn't really help make it seem anymore worthwhile an effort to me.
People who aren't able to 100% Abyss aren't being that heavily penalized. The difference is legit 5k 6* shards, as small price to pay given that one can chose between ten Champions of a given class. Reducing the total amount of shards has clearly led to some outrage, but those who haven't attempted Abyss yet, over five months after it's been released, aren't likely to be close to completing, much less exploring the Abyss. For those that are close to exploring the Abyss, they have till June 25th to do so.
Just fyi 45k-30k = 15k.. so not 5k difference.. but 15k difference.. The specifically stated this difference in the announcement on the forums.. maybe you haven't read it..
Lol but you get a crystal back, so that's at least a 10k shard value. So the correct math is 45k-30k+10k = 5k
thats not the correct math when the people that already did the Abyss get the 15k and the crystal.
As someone who has yet to complete the abyss, this is a very unhealthy attitude. The fact that others got an extra 15k shards has no impact on me. I'm happy that when I do go for exploration, I can count on a tradeoff in rewards that work in my favor (other than the total BS of choosing the class before seeing the rest of my rewards, and that I can still get shafted by having no t5cc I can use immediately)
Yeah, while I don't understand the need of removing any shards really, I don't see how people don't see this as a win especially for those that aren't whales with stacked 6* rosters already.
This change does essentially nothing for me but for someone unlucky enough to not have any 6* champs they really want to invest in, it's a huge win. Regardless of what catalysts you pull from abyss, you'll eventually form them all. This way you at least have a really good shot at getting a champ you want to invest in and will either get the catalyst from abyss hopefully or will eventually no matter what
A big problem is that you don’t know if you’ll be able to r3 them because you have to chose the class before you open the t5cc Sure your likely to get a good r2 champ but if you have abyss 100% your not looking for 6* r2 you are looking for r3s
You'll be able to R3 them eventually. Catalysts are an eventual gurantee, champions (at least currently) are not.
What’s your thoughts on them making the crystal an objective reward that way people who have 100% it and people who will 100% it after will have the same advantage
Oh I'd much prefer they think of a way for people to be able to open the t5c first regardless of how they manage it.
I still think overall the change is a big win for people. Unfortunately the shine of it gets removed by a very poor delivery. Still a pretty big win in my opinion regardless.
I like the new nexus crystal. I think it is a good compromise that will help players feel rewarded.
Is there any chance you could delay this change by ~a month? There is now a large incentive to 100% abyss before this change is live (opening t5cc before class nexus, getting 15k extra 6* shards).
I have 3 paths left and am not sure I can finish in the next 10 days
Sooo people who have already 100% gets extra 15k 6* shards ...
Why? this was never announced that if you do Abyss early you will get extra rewards
All content is subject to change, and that includes Encounters, rewards, Champion abilities, etc. This will never be announced at the outset because our intention wasn't to change the rewards later.
Soooooo dumb. I thought you guys were trying to win back the player base. This is not how to do it.
You are rewarding the whales and penalizing everyone else. Why not just reward and celebrate everyone equally?
It boggles my mind that you think this is a significant improvement. If you can't increase the chance that the t5cc match the class of 6* that you would rank, there is limited incentive for non-whale players to do the content.
I did one pass and got a skill t5cc. My only skill class 6* was vegan thor, FOR months...
Your question highlights a possible answer. You have a Skill T5CC that you didn't want to use for months. If you still have it, you have the choice to choose a Skill Abyss Nexus crystal. From there, you can choose one of the 10 Champs you might want to take up. If you're really looking to chase a certain Champion, then maybe you decide to choose a different Class that you don't have a T5CC for yet. Abyss is not the only place to get T5CC, and every one of those is valuable and useable.
The reason we went this direction with the Rewards update, and not with T5CC selection is because regardless of if you have a Champion to use your Skill T5CC on, it's still just as good as any other Skill T5CC. You will use it eventually. But if you open your 6-Star Crystal and get Groot, you're not likely to use him until he gets a Buff someday, and are going to be disappointed in the work you put in to get him.
No, we are not going to remove Champions from the 6-Star Base pool, but we are looking at many solutions to mitigate that feeling. This is just one of them.
You say there are other ways to get t5cc? I'm not buying your stupid catalyst offers, I'm not a whale. 100% Abyss is a huge investment, I'm not a whale. 100% act 6 is a bigger investment than Abyss, I'm not a whale. I'm not in; nor ever will be in, a master ranked alliance, I'm not a whale. Gifting event? Ha! I'm not a whale.
Where does that leave me when rank 3 6* are the only thing with value anymore?
You are so out of touch, no wonder the game is dying.
P.S. I'm definitely not BG either.
For one, R3s are far from the only thing of value anymore. Two, I'd be pretty surprised to see there being no t5c included in the new EQ difficulty coming which may quite possibly start to be included in the side event tests starting next month. Also there's AQ (depending on where you place though it's a fairly trivial amount).
T5c accumulation will more than likely start to increase decently in the near future I'd imagine.
@Kabam Miike what are you doing?? How do you find this solution fair when thousands of players now get 15k blue shards more than all of us who didnt finnish abyss yet.
Explain why are you going to remove 15k when all the players who are done is getting the crystal? Why wont you just let the 15k be so its fair for all?
People who aren't able to 100% Abyss aren't being that heavily penalized. The difference is legit 5k 6* shards, as small price to pay given that one can chose between ten Champions of a given class. Reducing the total amount of shards has clearly led to some outrage, but those who haven't attempted Abyss yet, over five months after it's been released, aren't likely to be close to completing, much less exploring the Abyss. For those that are close to exploring the Abyss, they have till June 25th to do so.
Just fyi 45k-30k = 15k.. so not 5k difference.. but 15k difference.. The specifically stated this difference in the announcement on the forums.. maybe you haven't read it..
Lol but you get a crystal back, so that's at least a 10k shard value. So the correct math is 45k-30k+10k = 5k
thats not the correct math when the people that already did the Abyss get the 15k and the crystal.
As someone who has yet to complete the abyss, this is a very unhealthy attitude. The fact that others got an extra 15k shards has no impact on me. I'm happy that when I do go for exploration, I can count on a tradeoff in rewards that work in my favor (other than the total BS of choosing the class before seeing the rest of my rewards, and that I can still get shafted by having no t5cc I can use immediately)
Yeah, while I don't understand the need of removing any shards really, I don't see how people don't see this as a win especially for those that aren't whales with stacked 6* rosters already.
This change does essentially nothing for me but for someone unlucky enough to not have any 6* champs they really want to invest in, it's a huge win. Regardless of what catalysts you pull from abyss, you'll eventually form them all. This way you at least have a really good shot at getting a champ you want to invest in and will either get the catalyst from abyss hopefully or will eventually no matter what
A big problem is that you don’t know if you’ll be able to r3 them because you have to chose the class before you open the t5cc Sure your likely to get a good r2 champ but if you have abyss 100% your not looking for 6* r2 you are looking for r3s
You'll be able to R3 them eventually. Catalysts are an eventual gurantee, champions (at least currently) are not.
What’s your thoughts on them making the crystal an objective reward that way people who have 100% it and people who will 100% it after will have the same advantage
Oh I'd much prefer they think of a way for people to be able to open the t5c first regardless of how they manage it.
I still think overall the change is a big win for people. Unfortunately the shine of it gets removed by a very poor delivery. Still a pretty big win in my opinion regardless.
Oh ye it’s a great change but having to choose after the t5cc gives people who have already done it such a big advantage Your saying that they’ll add more and more t5cc but the person who got their r3 knowing what class they had will get more due to higher prestige leading to a better alliance and therefore more t5cc
In some instances yeah I completely agree and as I said I'd prefer they figure out a way for people to open the t5c crystals 1st.
I don't think any of this warrants all the over the top outrage though. That's just silly. Overall this is a very large positive for people and I'm glad they did it. Hopefully they find a way to address some of the issues but even if they don't, it's still a win.
Can anyone confirm if they have spun a nexus and had a duplicate of a champ in the selection? Now that this 10 nexus crystal has been introduced I think it’s really important to understand how the crystal actually works. If it’s 10 UNIQUE champs it’s amazing. If it’s a chance of 3 of the same it’s a whole different thing. Either way I’m not complaining but would be nice to know
Can anyone confirm if they have spun a nexus and had a duplicate of a champ in the selection? Now that this 10 nexus crystal has been introduced I think it’s really important to understand how the crystal actually works. If it’s 10 UNIQUE champs it’s amazing. If it’s a chance of 3 of the same it’s a whole different thing. Either way I’m not complaining but would be nice to know
Miike already said won't have the same champs multiple times
Sooo people who have already 100% gets extra 15k 6* shards ...
Why? this was never announced that if you do Abyss early you will get extra rewards
All content is subject to change, and that includes Encounters, rewards, Champion abilities, etc. This will never be announced at the outset because our intention wasn't to change the rewards later.
Soooooo dumb. I thought you guys were trying to win back the player base. This is not how to do it.
You are rewarding the whales and penalizing everyone else. Why not just reward and celebrate everyone equally?
It boggles my mind that you think this is a significant improvement. If you can't increase the chance that the t5cc match the class of 6* that you would rank, there is limited incentive for non-whale players to do the content.
I did one pass and got a skill t5cc. My only skill class 6* was vegan thor, FOR months...
Your question highlights a possible answer. You have a Skill T5CC that you didn't want to use for months. If you still have it, you have the choice to choose a Skill Abyss Nexus crystal. From there, you can choose one of the 10 Champs you might want to take up. If you're really looking to chase a certain Champion, then maybe you decide to choose a different Class that you don't have a T5CC for yet. Abyss is not the only place to get T5CC, and every one of those is valuable and useable.
The reason we went this direction with the Rewards update, and not with T5CC selection is because regardless of if you have a Champion to use your Skill T5CC on, it's still just as good as any other Skill T5CC. You will use it eventually. But if you open your 6-Star Crystal and get Groot, you're not likely to use him until he gets a Buff someday, and are going to be disappointed in the work you put in to get him.
No, we are not going to remove Champions from the 6-Star Base pool, but we are looking at many solutions to mitigate that feeling. This is just one of them.
Then what is the reason for opening this crystal before t5cc? What if you have no t5cc to use, just shoot in the dark and hope for the best?
Gods, this and Kabam Miike’s out-of-touch responses are really killing my motivation to play and spend on this game. I was going to buy all the unit packs to explore Abyss, but man, I’m having a hard time getting excited about it or anything in the game anymore. If the Roadmap is as disappointing and out of touch as this, I’m just gonna quit. There are better uses of my time and money.
yeah. I dont feel like doing act6, and was exploring abyss (on my third path). Their decisions to totally bone over the customer base feels so cheap and petty, i feel like just closing my game and not logging in. Killing my motivation to open this app.
I finished exploring act 6 and got largely boned on my rewards, pretty much totally wasted my time and effort. In my opinion, Act 6 is just not worth it unless they buff rewards. It seems like every day Kabam does something that just kills my motivation to play a little more.
One thing I think needs to be a take away from this is to allow us to open Selectors items in our own time. It's ridiculous that right when we get one we are forced to choose something out of it. I'm genuinely surprised this hasn't been a QoL fix yet as that's been a constant complaint about them since their release.
This is the stupidest thing with these - a selector, but I can't select when I open it. It's one thing if you prchase one of these when you are looking for something, but having to choose before you have the potential champion to use it on is nonsensical.
On one hand I'm happy for the introduction of this crystal, but still a bit disappointed by this as a whole. I've already 100% Abyss and everything else in this game and am sitting on 2 cosmic T5CC and 1 science T5CC with noone to use them on yet (I completed all this FTP so my choices are much lower than whales). Yes, I do have a good chance to pull something I want, but there still in the RNG chance that I won't, which honestly sucks. Is the RNG chance much less now? Yes, but if I complete something of this magnitude there really should not be any RNG at all.
Also, I don't believe completing Abyss 100% before others entitles me to extra rewards. There is no need to remove 15k shards from the rewards. Additionally, some people have completed Act 6 100% and one path of Abyss and have used their T5CC already. These people are really put out by this because they will have no idea what class to pick. I really feel for these players.
The responses by mods to this also seems very out of touch. It sounds like you were given the green light to say what you want as no feedback would be taken into account. I'm not sure if this is the case, but this is the implication that I feel many are interpreting this to be.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
maybe you got to put on some reading glasses. Nobody wants compensation here. None of this is "free" stuff.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
That happens all the time. Companies have promotions and limited-time offers.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
Which happens all the time. New phones come out and a certain number of people get the phone plus something extra and when the extra runs out, anyone else just gets a phone.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
That happens all the time. Companies have promotions and limited-time offers.
Except this wasn’t supposed to be a limited time offer and it wasn’t advertised as such. Are you really so blindly loyal to Kabam that you just spew out whatever shortsighted nonsense that you can think of in their defense?
I actually wanted to send a long message regarding how this actually encourages players to spend more units to complete content on the first day rather than wait for the right champions and then decided it was a waste of time anyway. It will take months or years(If the game is still interesting) for me to start AOL. It is unfair that people who completed first get more rewards, but it always seems to be that way. Let's hope they take a second look at the shards and selector issue. But, I am not sure they will.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
Which happens all the time. New phones come out and a certain number of people get the phone plus something extra and when the extra runs out, anyone else just gets a phone.
Again, that’s not what Abyss was meant to be and it was never advertised like that. There’s a big difference between knowingly purchasing something early to get a benefit than saving up to do something at a later date because you’re expecting not to get screwed.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
That happens all the time. Companies have promotions and limited-time offers.
Except this wasn’t supposed to be a limited time offer and it wasn’t advertised as such. Are you really so blindly loyal to Kabam that you just spew out whatever shortsighted nonsense that you can think of in their defense?
They weren't "supposed" to increase the Rewards either, but they are. Are you telling me an extra 6* is going to set everyone else that far back, or is it just something that other people won't get? Those that have done it that quickly 100% obviously put the effort in.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
Which happens all the time. New phones come out and a certain number of people get the phone plus something extra and when the extra runs out, anyone else just gets a phone.
Isnt this "permanent" content? The value of rewards depreciate over time, but the rewards themselves certainly shouldn't. Defending the advantages of this change for early clearers does NOT make it fair for such static content. We have transient content like aq/aw for t hat.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
Which happens all the time. New phones come out and a certain number of people get the phone plus something extra and when the extra runs out, anyone else just gets a phone.
Again, that’s not what Abyss was meant to be and it was never advertised like that. There’s a big difference between knowingly purchasing something early to get a benefit than saving up to do something at a later date because you’re expecting not to get screwed.
Things change, it happens. Do I 100% like how they did this? Of course not but end of the day it's a large positive for players.
If and when Act 6 gets changed, should everyone who finishes Act 6 Lite get way less rewards than those that already finished it? No one is going to be okay with that. Are those of us that finished it 1st going to get a massive stack of units or anything else worthwhile bc we beat the hard version? Of course not and I don't care one bit about it either.
It sucks to hear it and deal with it at times but sometimes life just isn't fair. Do I hope at a minimum they figure a way for people to open their t5c 1st before choosing a class? Absolutely. Even if they don't people still get to target a champ they want to invest in and will eventually be able to R3. It's a huge win.
I dont get it why some ppl are whyning about new rewards and want some compensation again 😓😓 its like when u buy a TV and 4 weeks later same TV is on sale 50% off! The store not gonna call u back and say here u go take ur money back! Too bad for u! Some ppl will get it at 50% off. U lose some u win some. U can have free stuf every time! Grow up geez! 😓😓
That’s not even close to an accurate comparison of what is happening. It’s more like someone paid 700 dollars for a tv when it first came out and got a year worth of cable for free and now everyone else that buys that tv for 700 dollars only gets the tv
That happens all the time. Companies have promotions and limited-time offers.
Except this wasn’t supposed to be a limited time offer and it wasn’t advertised as such. Are you really so blindly loyal to Kabam that you just spew out whatever shortsighted nonsense that you can think of in their defense?
They weren't "supposed" to increase the Rewards either, but they are. Are you telling me an extra 6* is going to set everyone else that far back, or is it just something that other people won't get? Those that have done it that quickly 100% obviously put the effort in.
Depending on the six star, it can easily, but you’re naive if you think that’s the issue we have. The issue is that Kabam keeps on making decisions that hurt the players, especially the free to play and light spenders, all while catering heavily to the whales. Is there any real reason to take away the 15k shards? No, there isn’t.
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I still think overall the change is a big win for people. Unfortunately the shine of it gets removed by a very poor delivery. Still a pretty big win in my opinion regardless.
Is there any chance you could delay this change by ~a month? There is now a large incentive to 100% abyss before this change is live (opening t5cc before class nexus, getting 15k extra 6* shards).
I have 3 paths left and am not sure I can finish in the next 10 days
T5c accumulation will more than likely start to increase decently in the near future I'd imagine.
Explain why are you going to remove 15k when all the players who are done is getting the crystal?
Why wont you just let the 15k be so its fair for all?
I expect an answer
I don't think any of this warrants all the over the top outrage though. That's just silly. Overall this is a very large positive for people and I'm glad they did it. Hopefully they find a way to address some of the issues but even if they don't, it's still a win.
Opening the T5CC first + 4.5 more 6*s will help in making a more knowledgeable decision on which class and who to choose.
I dont agree on -15k shards.
I dont like that you cant open your T5CC before your class 6* nexus.
But aside from that this new crystal is super cool.
Also, I don't believe completing Abyss 100% before others entitles me to extra rewards. There is no need to remove 15k shards from the rewards. Additionally, some people have completed Act 6 100% and one path of Abyss and have used their T5CC already. These people are really put out by this because they will have no idea what class to pick. I really feel for these players.
The responses by mods to this also seems very out of touch. It sounds like you were given the green light to say what you want as no feedback would be taken into account. I'm not sure if this is the case, but this is the implication that I feel many are interpreting this to be.
None of this is "free" stuff.
Quite a lot to unpack here, so i made a vid on it!
Warning - its about 20 mins...
If and when Act 6 gets changed, should everyone who finishes Act 6 Lite get way less rewards than those that already finished it? No one is going to be okay with that. Are those of us that finished it 1st going to get a massive stack of units or anything else worthwhile bc we beat the hard version? Of course not and I don't care one bit about it either.
It sucks to hear it and deal with it at times but sometimes life just isn't fair. Do I hope at a minimum they figure a way for people to open their t5c 1st before choosing a class? Absolutely. Even if they don't people still get to target a champ they want to invest in and will eventually be able to R3. It's a huge win.