Sorry for the silence on this one. We've read a lot of feedback on True Focus, and are interested to hear a lot more. There's no "statement" to make because like all content, True Focus will be in some places, and not in others.
True Focus is not a sign that Ghost and Quake (and other Evade/Miss Champions) are no longer going to be useful.
Like all content, we'll be using it selectively and for different purposes. It is bad timing that we just introduced it in AW, and then SOP, and now the Shang Chi CQC Challenge. In AW, this was to shake up the Meta of the Champions being used, Summer of Pain was meant to be very difficult content where we purposely tried to encourage some variety, and the CQC Challenge is meant to be about Close Quarters Combat and we didn't want the answer to it to be Miss or Evade.
That's a lot of content back to back, but we have spoken to the team and we are aware of the sentiment here and are going to make an effort to be more purposeful with its use moving forward. You should not expect to see it on all difficult content going forward.
That's a lot of content back to back, but we have spoken to the team and we are aware of the sentiment here and are going to make an effort to be more purposeful with its use moving forward. You should not expect to see it on all difficult content going forward.
Thanks for the response Miike, it’s good to see it won’t be here in every event.
Can you give any indication to how prominent it will be in these coming events? Say the next 10 events, does “you should not expect to see it on all going forward” mean it’ll only be in 1, or that all but 1 will have it?
Obviously I’m not asking for a precise figure, “you’ll see it in X out of Y”, but do you see my point? Is it going to be a heavily used, moderately, or lightly used node?
Like all content, we'll be using it selectively and for different purposes. It is bad timing that we just introduced it in AW, and then SOP, and now the Shang Chi CQC Challenge. In AW, this was to shake up the Meta of the Champions being used, Summer of Pain was meant to be very difficult content where we purposely tried to encourage some variety, and the CQC Challenge is meant to be about Close Quarters Combat and we didn't want the answer to it to be Miss or Evade.
You lost me when you said the CQC Challenge is meant to be about Close Quarters Combat and you didn’t want the answer to be Miss or Evade. Do you mind sharing what that answer is?
Because (1) you’re punishing players for using Miss or Evade based champions and (2) there’s no “benefit” from being up close and personal with the challenge. In fact, you’re punished staying too close to the opponent (because of invade) but you’re also punished for being far away (as a result of Close Encounters). You guys did a poor job with this particular challenge and True Focus being a focal point when SOP just finished.
That's a lot of content back to back, but we have spoken to the team and we are aware of the sentiment here and are going to make an effort to be more purposeful with its use moving forward. You should not expect to see it on all difficult content going forward.
Still, I don’t like the idea of a node that counters both miss and evade, it doesn’t mean it’s not creative design. So I expect to see it less frequently cos that’s a whole a lot of champs to render either useless or less useful. True Strike node deals with evade, I’m not sure if there’s one that counters Miss. If there isn’t you should one that way instead of having both true focus you can customize individual fights to ones you wanna shut down evade or miss champs. Just a thought. And I find it hard to believe true focus wasn’t targeted at Quake and Ghost. Do you have some OP quake&ghost-like characters in the pipeline? Anyways…
That's a lot of content back to back, but we have spoken to the team and we are aware of the sentiment here and are going to make an effort to be more purposeful with its use moving forward. You should not expect to see it on all difficult content going forward.
Still, I don’t like the idea of a node that counters both miss and evade, it doesn’t mean it’s not creative design. So I expect to see it less frequently cos that’s a whole a lot of champs to render either useless or less useful. True Strike node deals with evade, I’m not sure if there’s one that counters Miss. If there isn’t you should one that way instead of having both true focus you can customize individual fights to ones you wanna shut down evade or miss champs. Just a thought. And I find it hard to believe true focus wasn’t targeted at Quake and Ghost. Do you have some OP quake&ghost-like characters in the pipeline? Anyways…
Vigilance counters Miss. I don’t know if there’s a node for that though
In AW, this was to shake up the Meta of the Champions being used
Can I just ask if this decision can be re-considered. The statement given in AW was specifically to shake up the meta regarding Ghost and Quake, not miss and evade. If that was your design intention, then wouldn't you say it hasn't quite landed, since it puts over 20 other champions at a disadvantage on boss island? I don't think the intention was to counter Hood's Miss for example. I don't think Ronin's evade was crushing any defences.
You can say, well you can still use X, Y and Z on the paths, but a lot of the time, I plan my team with boss island in mind. Who I bring on the path, is almost always who I'll use on boss island. If not all 3 slots of my team, then at least 2. That means when I weigh up my path and think, will I use Torch or Mr Negative here, since I can't use Mr Negative properly on boss island, he gets left on the bench. And with an awakening gem and 200 sig stones in him, that doesn't feel too great. If it were Ghost, I'd swallow that pill, seeing as the design for AW was that she is (rightly) too powerful. But Mr Negative (though awesome) isn't waltzing through defences.
This decision was outlined in the season 28 post, quake and ghost are running rampant on AW, so we know that you don't want Quake and ghost to continue doing so, which is fine and I agree they are too powerful, but why use a node that affects 10% of the champions in the game? Is there a hesitancy to put a node in the game that is more specific than true focus?
Lastly, SoP is a game mode that came and went. Same with Shang Chi challenge, but AW is here to stay, and while seasons change and nodes change, I can't see Quake and Ghost being kept out the meta of boss island just for 1 season, so it looks like true focus is here to stay for the foreseeable future in AW. That's why I think it should change. For a lot of players, AW is the only consistent form of entertainment and tough gameplay. As someone with a rank 3 Prof X, Mr Negative, Elsa, Spider-Gwen and rank 5 5* or Rank 2 6* of almost every other miss/evade champ, it's a really disappointing feeling to be unable to use them in a game mode I really love.
Is every new piece of high level content going to have True Focus? The reason I ranked Ghost was to use her in high level content…
I don't know but it is insanly annoying that i have 2 champs 5/65 that are basicly never usable, I can not even remember -- Was there a single big boss that can be ghosted ot quaked ? Collector, thanos, grandmaster and s.o. give us rank down gems atleast so we can recover the resources that we have put in them. The real quake playstyle is hard anyway with all those bugs, she is absolutly useless in EQ, all other champs clean the paths faster and for final bosses where she can be the solution, there is a f******g node that sends her next to superior iron man. Especially for quake with the 20k base damage of bosses if you miss a single dash, a combo of 3 hits and she is dead, and normally for a boss fights the health pools are huge aswell which means you need to play perfectly in the corner for 3-6 mins to win ...
"Selectively use for different Purpose" " Not a sign for Ghost, and Quake...no longer useful"
Aw boss island.
Every S.I.N.G.L.E tile has true focus.
What is different purpose with it?
For me, it just seems UNselectively used.
BECAUSE its everywhere in the boss island.
Then so, I would love to know your "Purpose" for setting true focus in all boss island tiles.
That obviously explains not to use
"Quake and Ghost mainly" and some other evade miss champions.
THIS IS A SIGN as you know.
OR
Plz make node change till next War comes
Im iplaying in tier1
I'd rather see it as an AW global and not in as much solo content than lessing it's degree in AW. People cheesing their way through AQ with those two has lasted long enough.
The thing which is hurting the most that all other champs are also getting pissed. Why you even release the champs with miss and evade mechanic when we can't use them. Better make a seperate tag for Quake and Ghost and leave other champs in peace. Still it's a matter of time when we see other champs dominating the meta and then they will try to nerf them. It's just ridiculous to see these type of changes. And if you are going to same route,provide people rank down resources they invested in those champs.
I don't use either to any significant degree, but it isn't just ghost. Quake synergies aren't so bad, but think that people may have chose to raise wasp or worse ant man over another due to ghost.
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Sorry for the silence on this one. We've read a lot of feedback on True Focus, and are interested to hear a lot more. There's no "statement" to make because like all content, True Focus will be in some places, and not in others.
True Focus is not a sign that Ghost and Quake (and other Evade/Miss Champions) are no longer going to be useful.
Like all content, we'll be using it selectively and for different purposes. It is bad timing that we just introduced it in AW, and then SOP, and now the Shang Chi CQC Challenge. In AW, this was to shake up the Meta of the Champions being used, Summer of Pain was meant to be very difficult content where we purposely tried to encourage some variety, and the CQC Challenge is meant to be about Close Quarters Combat and we didn't want the answer to it to be Miss or Evade.
That's a lot of content back to back, but we have spoken to the team and we are aware of the sentiment here and are going to make an effort to be more purposeful with its use moving forward. You should not expect to see it on all difficult content going forward.
Can you give any indication to how prominent it will be in these coming events? Say the next 10 events, does “you should not expect to see it on all going forward” mean it’ll only be in 1, or that all but 1 will have it?
Obviously I’m not asking for a precise figure, “you’ll see it in X out of Y”, but do you see my point? Is it going to be a heavily used, moderately, or lightly used node?
Because (1) you’re punishing players for using Miss or Evade based champions and (2) there’s no “benefit” from being up close and personal with the challenge. In fact, you’re punished staying too close to the opponent (because of invade) but you’re also punished for being far away (as a result of Close Encounters). You guys did a poor job with this particular challenge and True Focus being a focal point when SOP just finished.
And I find it hard to believe true focus wasn’t targeted at Quake and Ghost. Do you have some OP quake&ghost-like characters in the pipeline? Anyways…
You can say, well you can still use X, Y and Z on the paths, but a lot of the time, I plan my team with boss island in mind. Who I bring on the path, is almost always who I'll use on boss island. If not all 3 slots of my team, then at least 2. That means when I weigh up my path and think, will I use Torch or Mr Negative here, since I can't use Mr Negative properly on boss island, he gets left on the bench. And with an awakening gem and 200 sig stones in him, that doesn't feel too great. If it were Ghost, I'd swallow that pill, seeing as the design for AW was that she is (rightly) too powerful. But Mr Negative (though awesome) isn't waltzing through defences.
This decision was outlined in the season 28 post, quake and ghost are running rampant on AW, so we know that you don't want Quake and ghost to continue doing so, which is fine and I agree they are too powerful, but why use a node that affects 10% of the champions in the game? Is there a hesitancy to put a node in the game that is more specific than true focus?
Lastly, SoP is a game mode that came and went. Same with Shang Chi challenge, but AW is here to stay, and while seasons change and nodes change, I can't see Quake and Ghost being kept out the meta of boss island just for 1 season, so it looks like true focus is here to stay for the foreseeable future in AW. That's why I think it should change. For a lot of players, AW is the only consistent form of entertainment and tough gameplay. As someone with a rank 3 Prof X, Mr Negative, Elsa, Spider-Gwen and rank 5 5* or Rank 2 6* of almost every other miss/evade champ, it's a really disappointing feeling to be unable to use them in a game mode I really love.