5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

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  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Member Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    For the new featured crystal obviously no one likes the way it works but we can play this to our advantage and have 3 months to save for the next featured 6 if we are not fond of the current ones. For the old featured it was every month making it hard to save for some us.

    I really don't think there is a need to make this one complicated you don't have to buy the featured grandmaster crystal even though this is their aim. And honestly I don't think there is a point. If the goal is to make us buy more of them then don' help them. If you really want to buy them then buy them
  • A_Noob_Is1A_Noob_Is1 Member Posts: 762 ★★
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    This takes away the entire point of featured crystals.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,427 Guardian
    Oh Miike, I don’t envy you man. They stick you out here taking bullets, this should’ve been a Friday announcement so you could hide over the weekend.

    Mike is a big boy who is on the clock getting paid. He knows what his job is every morning. I'll bet he loves this job. Being a forum mod for a mobile gaming sounds pretty easy and laid back. He gets his script from the game team and eats it. Maybe he cringed when he saw the in game message from the Grandmaster stating that this was an improvement but his job is to sell the stuff that the game team gives him no matter how nonsensical. Easy job. IMO

    I don't know about easy, but community manager/coordinator jobs have some of the highest turn over in the games industry, at least last time I checked.
  • MavRCK_MavRCK_ Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    These changes aren't helping the game or the players - these changes do seem to be made in order to encourage players to buy the GMC crystals and spend more money.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    Stop complaining fellas. These champs will help you clear map 2 VERY EFFECTIVELY and help win you wars with your new Antman in tier 18.

    The pool will be shifting. Meaning there will be 6 Featured Champs, and a range of others in it, at any given time. No Basic Champs will be run twice in a row, so people can take their own chances based on what's in it. Besides, you could roll Ant-Man now.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,427 Guardian
    DJRipster wrote: »
    Im pretty surprised that all the data you have collected has found these to be among the most effective, when I've yet to see one of my alliance members use any on this list :(

    To repeat: no one said the list of champions was "most effective." They said they were datamined to be effective, in the context of the game devs trying to choose champions that were not "not effective." In other words, the intent of the selected eighteen was to eliminate the champions that were least desirable, not stack it with the champions that are most desirable.

    They can eliminate the bottom 24, say. They cannot only put the top 24, because the intent is to rotate the champions every three months when they swap the featured champs.
  • DubDub Member Posts: 12
    I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent
  • becauseicantbecauseicant Member Posts: 412 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    You need to run the featured crystal schedule all the way up to Sentry to give everyone who was saving for champs in between Blade and Sentry a chance to get those champs. No reason not to do this considering how monumental of a change this is.
  • Deadlyslayer007Deadlyslayer007 Member Posts: 13
    Wow total cash grab, with the aim to increase salea of there GMC!

    Release new champs and dont allow your playerbase to not get them for months... unless they spend?!?! and even then you chuck in a ton of useless 5* in the mix!!

    i guarantee you NO one uses antman or cyclops for aq so whoever is giving you your data is as reliable as your servers!

    nice way to flip your playerbase off and completely become detached from what they want
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    Dub wrote: »
    I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent

    I can't agree with that. Storm is a killer.
  • sbb75sbb75 Member Posts: 208
    TKal wrote: »
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    You really picked the best mystics, I like it ! Would love to see what your data shows about effectiveniss in AW et AQ about those amazing god tier mystic champs

    Again, we never said that they were the best performing. It is also important to keep in mind that what may be desirable at your level of play may differ from other players as well. A lot of players could use a Champ that hits as hard as Storm with her Special Attacks, or the ability to shrug off debuffs like Agent Venom, or Stun like Jane Foster.

    The ONLY type of players you should look at are people that purchased a 5* feature before. Give is the % breakdown of 5* rank levels of those 18 champs for people that have purchased a 5* feature in the past. Compare those stats to their other 5* champs.
    MOST companies make changes to their products based on the customers wants and needs.

    Be honest @Kabam Miike the criteria for selecting those.champs is the same for answering questions on the Forums. Avoid the tough ones!!!

    Lets all get back to the big beta testing program rolled out to Address Luke Cage and RH.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    Let me get this straight. The new crystal will have an increased chance of pulling Antman and other questionable champs vs. the previous featured crystal. It will have a decreased chance of pulling the featured champ that you want once, let alone twice. It will have zero chance of getting many actually good champs that are in the basic pool like GP, Voodoo, AA, etc. And we get all this for an extra 5k shards? Sounds about right lmao.
  • InmortalKratosInmortalKratos Member Posts: 1
    So that way you can nerf the heros before we can put our hand on them.
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Member Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    Ok can't we just meet halfway and make the 6 featured have a higher chance than the 18 basics at least?
  • Firelord_OzaiFirelord_Ozai Member Posts: 42
    The best part about the new featured is that there are only 2 good pulls from the whole list lol.
  • Firelord_OzaiFirelord_Ozai Member Posts: 42
    And... that's if void is even good. Hela was the only other good champion on the list.
  • DubDub Member Posts: 12
    Dub wrote: »
    I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent

    I can't agree with that. Storm is a killer.

    You can’t tell me you’d be ok with pulling one of the oldest champs in the game out of a 15k shard deal over the champ your going for. I’ve had her r4 before and there’s a reason she’s not any more. She’s behind on the curb of champs.
  • BossyBuilderBossyBuilder Member Posts: 137
    TKal wrote: »
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    You really picked the best mystics, I like it ! Would love to see what your data shows about effectiveniss in AW et AQ about those amazing god tier mystic champs

    Again, we never said that they were the best performing. It is also important to keep in mind that what may be desirable at your level of play may differ from other players as well. A lot of players could use a Champ that hits as hard as Storm with her Special Attacks, or the ability to shrug off debuffs like Agent Venom, or Stun like Jane Foster.

    So basically this is designed to impact the players in the middle of the player base. But how many of those players have the opportunities to save up 15k 5* shards like the more advanced players do? The group of players that these champs would be effective for and who can afford to save up the shards in time is pretty narrow.

    Again, to say nothing about the "effectiveness" of Ant Man or Civil Warrior... If you're trying to progress in the game, these champs will not get you there. If people are using them it's because they have to, because that's all they've been able to get out of a 5* crystal. Your data is skewed. People are using these champs out of necessity, not based on effectiveness. No one would choose to use Ant Man for attack in AQ if they had other options.

    All this first group of 18 champs does is breed more mediocrity.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    bradshaw84 wrote: »
    Beast, Jane foster, Cyclops, Ronan, Loki, Phoenix, Venompool, civil warrior, ant man amongst the 18 best and most used in aq and aw? GTFOH! LMAO!
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    I didn't say most used, but they are among the most effective. Cyclops actually scores very high on this list. There is a smaller group of players that use him, but they use him VERY effectively.

    This smaller group wouldn't be the lower tiers in AW where people haven't figured out how to evade yet, would it?
  • Zer0bitsZer0bits Member Posts: 104
    He’s an easy fix, do a player selected 3 month crystal, where players vote for what champs will be the 18. I honestly can’t belive that magik, mephisto, Morningstar didn’t make it into the crystal if you are aggregating data of who is most effective in AW. I mean pretty much every boss is a magik.
  • JayV429JayV429 Member Posts: 26
    So is there any word on the basic pool of champs yet. Is it gonna feature specific champs or are they randomly chosen
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Dub wrote: »
    Dub wrote: »
    I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent

    I can't agree with that. Storm is a killer.

    You can’t tell me you’d be ok with pulling one of the oldest champs in the game out of a 15k shard deal over the champ your going for. I’ve had her r4 before and there’s a reason she’s not any more. She’s behind on the curb of champs.

    Dup her, Rank her, and eat a Special. Not an insult. Just an example.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    Let me get this straight. The new crystal will have an increased chance of pulling Antman and other questionable champs vs. the previous featured crystal. It will have a decreased chance of pulling the featured champ that you want once, let alone twice. It will have zero chance of getting many actually good champs that are in the basic pool like GP, Voodoo, AA, etc. And we get all this for an extra 5k shards? Sounds about right lmao.

    Technically, there's now an equal chance to pull any Champ. Before there was an increased chance at a Basic.
  • Propaganda83Propaganda83 Member Posts: 16
    Can I make a couple of suggestions to stem the bleeding? Either one might help …

    1) announce that there will be a 50-50 chance of getting one of the 6 featured champs. This will mitigate that it may not be the latest and greatest; OR
    2) announce that you will reduce the cost of this rubbish crystal to 12,000.

    Do you guys really not anticipate the backlash when you do this sort of thing? Is it so hard to imagine that this is not great news for the community? Wake me up when it's over and Kabam has come back to its senses …
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Dub wrote: »
    Dub wrote: »
    Dub wrote: »
    I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent

    I can't agree with that. Storm is a killer.

    You can’t tell me you’d be ok with pulling one of the oldest champs in the game out of a 15k shard deal over the champ your going for. I’ve had her r4 before and there’s a reason she’s not any more. She’s behind on the curb of champs.

    Dup her, Rank her, and eat a Special. Not an insult. Just an example.

    I’m pretty sure this list was acquired by people who actually still get hit by storms specials..

    Are you aware of a way to avoid an L3? I'm not talking about Baiting.
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Member Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Why on earth are you even bothering looking at lower players aq and aw picks? I did not even realise till now but if you wanna help everyone out then you need to check out only the higher player groups picks. I could see you guys recommending a 1 star spiderman next.
    I cannot get this out of my head after 17 pages of no no no no please here is a better suggestion please kabam don't do it from all of us summoners you still want to go through with it.
    I feel so bad for just everyone at this point it is like we are all talking to a brick wall. Oh well this is a lesson to people treating customers which is never to do what you guys do.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    @GroundedWisdom you are in favor of the new crystal? I'm shocked... Still waiting for you do disagree with something, with anything that Kabam does. Maybe if you pretended to disagree with something just to add a little credibility...
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    @GroundedWisdom you are in favor of the new crystal? I'm shocked... Still waiting for you do disagree with something, with anything that Kabam does. Maybe if you pretended to disagree with something just to add a little credibility...

    I don't need to solemnly disagree with anything just to prove some kind of allegiance to the Players. I've explained this before. I'm not part of the "US Vs. THEM" mentality.
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