Witness the Great Revival! Act 6 Chapter 1 - Coming March 13th

User5000

I honestly do not understand that decision. There is neither logic nor sense to the prohibition of the 4 *. This will leave people months on end trying to gather 5 decent ones to go through. This is extremely frustrating. What is the purpose of this? do people buy packages of fragments of 5 *?
I am really very disappointed

IKON

xNig said:

IKON said:

Maybe instead of a 4* Ban, there could be a global node that auto kills 4*. Would solve the synergy problem while still maintaining Kabams goal.

An alternative would be having a Chapter (or Act) Global Node that gives a passive 50% Weakness on the Attacker and +100% Champion Boost for the Defender if anything below a 5* is used.

This keeps 4*s still relevant, addresses Kabam’s goal on having roster exploration by discouraging (but not eliminating the use of 4*s), allows very skilled players to still use their rosters, and bring lower rarity champions along for synergies.

At the end of the day, having the “choice” to bring a champ that people have ranked is important to them.

I think this is a pretty reasonable compromise, we've solved it!

Dshu

Fjolnir said:

xNig said:

IKON said:

Maybe instead of a 4* Ban, there could be a global node that auto kills 4*. Would solve the synergy problem while still maintaining Kabams goal.

An alternative would be having a Chapter (or Act) Global Node that gives a passive 50% Weakness on the Attacker and +100% Champion Boost for the Defender if anything below a 5* is used.

This keeps 4*s still relevant, addresses Kabam’s goal on having roster exploration by discouraging (but not eliminating the use of 4*s), allows very skilled players to still use their rosters, and bring lower rarity champions along for synergies.

At the end of the day, having the “choice” to bring a champ that people have ranked is important to them.

Personally not a fan of that idea. Why reduce the effectiveness of a 4* when, I believe, they’re already up against that challenger rating or whatever it’s called.

It would still allow synergies while at the same time allow kabam to devalue the use of 4*s. While not an ideal solution it's a valid suggestion from a player who will be minimally if at all effected by the 4* ban

xNig

Fjolnir said:

xNig said:

IKON said:

Maybe instead of a 4* Ban, there could be a global node that auto kills 4*. Would solve the synergy problem while still maintaining Kabams goal.

An alternative would be having a Chapter (or Act) Global Node that gives a passive 50% Weakness on the Attacker and +100% Champion Boost for the Defender if anything below a 5* is used.

This keeps 4*s still relevant, addresses Kabam’s goal on having roster exploration by discouraging (but not eliminating the use of 4*s), allows very skilled players to still use their rosters, and bring lower rarity champions along for synergies.

At the end of the day, having the “choice” to bring a champ that people have ranked is important to them.

Personally not a fan of that idea. Why reduce the effectiveness of a 4* when, I believe, they’re already up against that challenger rating or whatever it’s called.

Cause it acts as a disincentive to bring 4*s (which aligns to Kabam’s goal) but still hands the choice to the players on whether they want to go ahead with it or not.

xNig

Dshu said:

Fjolnir said:

xNig said:

IKON said:

Maybe instead of a 4* Ban, there could be a global node that auto kills 4*. Would solve the synergy problem while still maintaining Kabams goal.

An alternative would be having a Chapter (or Act) Global Node that gives a passive 50% Weakness on the Attacker and +100% Champion Boost for the Defender if anything below a 5* is used.

This keeps 4*s still relevant, addresses Kabam’s goal on having roster exploration by discouraging (but not eliminating the use of 4*s), allows very skilled players to still use their rosters, and bring lower rarity champions along for synergies.

At the end of the day, having the “choice” to bring a champ that people have ranked is important to them.

Personally not a fan of that idea. Why reduce the effectiveness of a 4* when, I believe, they’re already up against that challenger rating or whatever it’s called.

It would still allow synergies while at the same time allow kabam to devalue the use of 4*s. While not an ideal solution it's a valid suggestion from a player who will be minimally if at all effected by the 4* ban

So we have a compromise. 😂😂

(Yeah the ban doesn’t affect me one bit tbh.)

Bidzy7

DNA3000 said:

Bidzy7 said:

DNA3000 said:

Hang on, that's two different things. You said "The official 'answer' is that 4* champions would not be able to take on Act 6 because they are too weak." That's false: they didn't say that. They did say that allowing 4* champs in Act 6 could lead to frustration, but that doesn't mean there's anything explicitly wrong with 4* champs. Rather, that means all players are different, and for many players attempting to use 4* champs could lead to frustration.

That's not debatable, that's undeniably true. We already see this now: there's lots of players who have expressed frustration over the difficulty of Uncollected monthly events, and the logic is often words to the effect of "they are uncollected, so uncollected should be something they should be able to do." Becoming uncollected is the prerequisite for doing uncollected difficulty, but many players who can't do uncollected difficulty believe that the problem is with the content if they are uncollected, because the prerequisite was met to do it.

They may have never actually said 4* were too weak but it definitely was implied. What other reason could you have to say they would cause frustration ?

Don't quote my posts if you're not going to read them.

Bidzy7 said:

Also you are saying that using 4* "COULD" lead to frustration and then saying that it is "UNDENIABLY TRUE".
Sorry but you can't really say something like that is true because you can't speak on behalf of everyone. You yourself say it "COULD"

It is undeniably true that allowing players into high difficulty content above their skill level relative to their roster strength could lead to frustration, because we have multiple examples of this already happening, which I stated in the post you quoted but did not read. I don't have to speak for everyone to say something could happen: a single example of it actually happening is enough to prove that it could happen. Which is the normal, ordinary meaning of these words.

I read your post. You had an issue with the guy commenting and saying kabam officially said that 4* were too weak. you then go on to say this isn't necessarily the case just that using 4* could lead to frustration. Is this not what you said ?
I said it may have not been officially said but it was implied. So again i ask you what could cause players frustration if not that they are too weak for the content ?

You said

DNA3000 said:

They did say that allowing 4* champs in Act 6 could lead to frustration, but that doesn't mean there's anything explicitly wrong with 4* champs. Rather, that means all players are different, and for many players attempting to use 4* champs could lead to frustration.

That's not debatable, that's undeniably true. We already see this now: there's lots of players who have expressed frustration over the difficulty of Uncollected monthly events, and the logic is often words to the effect of "they are uncollected, so uncollected should be something they should be able to do." Becoming uncollected is the prerequisite for doing uncollected difficulty, but many players who can't do uncollected difficulty believe that the problem is with the content if they are uncollected, because the prerequisite was met to do it.

Forgive me if i'm wrong but you are saying that "MANY" players attempting to use 4* "COULD" have a frustrating experience and that is not debatable and is "UNDENIABLY" true. Well i say to you that you have no evidence to back that statement up as anything other then your opinion. For starters this is all hypothetical as act 6 is not out and people haven't attempted it with 4*. Even going on the UC monthly quest

1) You do not know how many of them are frustrated with a certain match up or mechanic
2) You do not know how many of them are frustrated because of an entitlement complex where they feel because they have completed previous content they should be able to complete this
3) You do not know if people are frustrated because there is an issue/bug in the game which is prevent them from doing it e.g. lag on darkhawk fight
4) You do not know if people are frustrated because they have bad luck in crystals and don't have the champions they need or want to tackle the content
5) You do not know if people are frustrated because their not skilled enough to do something consistently such as dodging certain specials.

All of these reasons equally could apply to 5 and 6*

So i would argue it's not using 4* which is causing the frustration but the reasons for having to use the 4* which essentially pertains to their bad luck in crystals.


Now your response has shifted away from your original statement regarding 4* and act 6 and moved onto talking about allowing people into difficult content above their skill level and roster strength causing frustrations as being true, which i agree this would be frustrating. This however doesn't have anything to do with 4* as being a road block in players having skill or roster strength. People have actually been building their roster with all the tools available to create a strong roster that can tackle challenging content, which has been done this way due to the RNG nature of the crystals. The example you gave implied that 4* are the reason we see frustrations by people in the uncollected EQ as you made a statement regarding 4* and then going on to say we see this happening now. However you finish that example by linking the frustration of players to a sense entitlement, as they feel that just because they have become uncollected means they should be able to do uncollected EQ, which has nothing to do with 4* specifically. There is countless videos showing people tackle these quests with 4* and we even see some people do it with 3*. This just proves that it's doable if you are a skilled player. So players frustrations aren't related to using 4* but their skill and sense of entitlement for meeting the prerequisite

So what have i not read ?


Also

DNA3000 said:

This thought process is completely wrong, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause problems for the game that would be magically solved if the players who aren't ready for Uncollected were somehow barred from even attempting it. Of course, that's not practical: there's no way to know in advance if someone can or can't do it.

Kabam isn't saying you personally won't be able to do Act 6 with 4* champs. They are saying that the percentage of people who can among all players who will try is low enough to be a problem. In and of itself that isn't the justification for the progress gate, but it is a legitimate factor in favor of it.

On the one hand you are saying it's impossible to know in advance if someone can or can't do something so banning them is impractical and on the other you're saying Kabam know that only a small percentage of players that will try it with 4* will be able to do the content so is one of the valid factors for this gate . That to me seems contradictory.

Dshu

xNig said:

Dshu said:

Fjolnir said:

xNig said:

IKON said:

Maybe instead of a 4* Ban, there could be a global node that auto kills 4*. Would solve the synergy problem while still maintaining Kabams goal.

An alternative would be having a Chapter (or Act) Global Node that gives a passive 50% Weakness on the Attacker and +100% Champion Boost for the Defender if anything below a 5* is used.

This keeps 4*s still relevant, addresses Kabam’s goal on having roster exploration by discouraging (but not eliminating the use of 4*s), allows very skilled players to still use their rosters, and bring lower rarity champions along for synergies.

At the end of the day, having the “choice” to bring a champ that people have ranked is important to them.

Personally not a fan of that idea. Why reduce the effectiveness of a 4* when, I believe, they’re already up against that challenger rating or whatever it’s called.

It would still allow synergies while at the same time allow kabam to devalue the use of 4*s. While not an ideal solution it's a valid suggestion from a player who will be minimally if at all effected by the 4* ban

So we have a compromise. 😂😂

(Yeah the ban doesn’t affect me one bit tbh.)

It doesn't really affect me either and I am only opposed to it because of how the spring it on the community. I'd like to see kabam look at these compromises. I understand the frustration of the lower tier rosters

xNig

Dshu said:

xNig said:

Dshu said:

Fjolnir said:

xNig said:

IKON said:

Maybe instead of a 4* Ban, there could be a global node that auto kills 4*. Would solve the synergy problem while still maintaining Kabams goal.

An alternative would be having a Chapter (or Act) Global Node that gives a passive 50% Weakness on the Attacker and +100% Champion Boost for the Defender if anything below a 5* is used.

This keeps 4*s still relevant, addresses Kabam’s goal on having roster exploration by discouraging (but not eliminating the use of 4*s), allows very skilled players to still use their rosters, and bring lower rarity champions along for synergies.

At the end of the day, having the “choice” to bring a champ that people have ranked is important to them.

Personally not a fan of that idea. Why reduce the effectiveness of a 4* when, I believe, they’re already up against that challenger rating or whatever it’s called.

It would still allow synergies while at the same time allow kabam to devalue the use of 4*s. While not an ideal solution it's a valid suggestion from a player who will be minimally if at all effected by the 4* ban

So we have a compromise. 😂😂

(Yeah the ban doesn’t affect me one bit tbh.)

It doesn't really affect me either and I am only opposed to it because of how the spring it on the community. I'd like to see kabam look at these compromises. I understand the frustration of the lower tier rosters

Yeah. But I doubt they wanted it as a surprise one week before launch. I explained the rough timeline and sometimes their hands are tied as well from upper management. 🤷🏻‍♂️

DTMelodicMetal

WC303 said:

off topic, but if Face Me counters No Retreat, among other things, why doesn't it counter Coldsnap?

Face Me regenerates 70% of damage taken while under a passive damage over time debuff, coldsnap is an active damage over time debuff

Russj213

The easiest bandaid approach for kabam at this point would to offer a few rank down 4* tickets to those who have done a completion run in Act 5 and would be eleigable for act 6.1

DarthHaas

Super stoked about act 6. Cant wait to get that Cavalier Title!

DarthHaas

Im only concerned with one run through at the moment just to start getting the better rewards so i can start building up my roster for the rest. With the hint of further champ restrictions i will only be ranking absolute needs for monthly EQs and 6* champs. Which means not ranking that many 6* champs since it will take forever. Lol but at least i will have a better shot at them with the initial clear.

DarthHaas

And not sure how the rest of the nodes will be but seems like a challenge within reach for 6.1 to get the cavalier title. Looking back at 5.2 (remembering how hard it was initially) it seems fairly easy now. Roster improved greatly with the uncollected title.

BowTieJohn

Act 6 will be here in a few hours. Until then I will grind the arena, work on content I need to work through. I'm level 58 and still need to clear Classic and Variant, as well as Act 4(I've only 100% Chapter 1, done 1 run through all of Chapter 2, gone through 1 run of the first three quests of Chapter 3.), RTTL, LOL, and of course Act 5. I know a lot of people on here have completed this, but I have taken time off various times and currently my 5* roster is small (4 5*s) and no 6*s. Still I'm excited about Act 6.

DarthHaas

BowTieJohn said:

Act 6 will be here in a few hours. Until then I will grind the arena, work on content I need to work through. I'm level 58 and still need to clear Classic and Variant, as well as Act 4(I've only 100% Chapter 1, done 1 run through all of Chapter 2, gone through 1 run of the first three quests of Chapter 3.), RTTL, LOL, and of course Act 5. I know a lot of people on here have completed this, but I have taken time off various times and currently my 5* roster is small (4 5*s) and no 6*s. Still I'm excited about Act 6.

Variant was a nice roster boost for me the rank up gems really came in handy for me. That and Act 5 completion have the best rewards in my opinion. Plus the 2015 rank up gems did not cost gold so that was a nice added bonus. Strangely you needed the gold in your account but it did not use it. Anyway good luck man hope you get some good pulls and see ya in act 6 soon!

BowTieJohn

DarthHaas said:

BowTieJohn said:

Act 6 will be here in a few hours. Until then I will grind the arena, work on content I need to work through. I'm level 58 and still need to clear Classic and Variant, as well as Act 4(I've only 100% Chapter 1, done 1 run through all of Chapter 2, gone through 1 run of the first three quests of Chapter 3.), RTTL, LOL, and of course Act 5. I know a lot of people on here have completed this, but I have taken time off various times and currently my 5* roster is small (4 5*s) and no 6*s. Still I'm excited about Act 6.

Variant was a nice roster boost for me the rank up gems really came in handy for me. That and Act 5 completion have the best rewards in my opinion. Plus the 2015 rank up gems did not cost gold so that was a nice added bonus. Strangely you needed the gold in your account but it did not use it. Anyway good luck man hope you get some good pulls and see ya in act 6 soon!

Thank you!

DarthHaas

BowTieJohn said:

Act 6 will be here in a few hours. Until then I will grind the arena, work on content I need to work through. I'm level 58 and still need to clear Classic and Variant, as well as Act 4(I've only 100% Chapter 1, done 1 run through all of Chapter 2, gone through 1 run of the first three quests of Chapter 3.), RTTL, LOL, and of course Act 5. I know a lot of people on here have completed this, but I have taken time off various times and currently my 5* roster is small (4 5*s) and no 6*s. Still I'm excited about Act 6.

And deff make getting uncollected a priority, if not already! everything will change for you

Helicopter_dugdugdug

Can i have some 4* rank down tickets?

DarthHaas

Helicopter_dugdugdug said:

Can i have some 4* rank down tickets?

who would you rank down?

Kobster84

I have an idea you have to use 5* for initial completion but can use 4* for exploration thoughts

axelelf_1

DarthHaas said:

Helicopter_dugdugdug said:

Can i have some 4* rank down tickets?

who would you rank down?

Whoever’s not useful for act 6

DarthHaas

axelelf_1 said:

DarthHaas said:

Helicopter_dugdugdug said:

Can i have some 4* rank down tickets?

who would you rank down?

Whoever’s not useful for act 6

Oh lol that would be everyone

Kabam Miike

We're only 34 minutes away, but if you haven't already seen it, Dragonfei and Royal wrote up an in depth list of Champions and Nodes that you can expect to see in Act 6 Ch1 Quest 1! Check it out here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQixOYjMC7uwc_r33lfXG7T9eWiJIIy83EelFGcT4Zg/edit?usp=sharing

ShadowUltra

Kabam Miike said:

We're only 34 minutes away, but if you haven't already seen it, Dragonfei and Royal wrote up an in depth list of Champions and Nodes that you can expect to see in Act 6 Ch1 Quest 1! Check it out here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQixOYjMC7uwc_r33lfXG7T9eWiJIIy83EelFGcT4Zg/edit?usp=sharing

I’d say we are about 30 minutes away from a total community rampage from what I’ve been reading.

Gamer

So stil not 4 star that bad meantime’s can’t get it dont thx for the node need spiked hige as champions

DarthPhal

Kabam Miike said:

We're only 34 minutes away, but if you haven't already seen it, Dragonfei and Royal wrote up an in depth list of Champions and Nodes that you can expect to see in Act 6 Ch1 Quest 1! Check it out here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQixOYjMC7uwc_r33lfXG7T9eWiJIIy83EelFGcT4Zg/edit?usp=sharing

Can’t wait to start.

IsItthough

DarthHaas said:

Helicopter_dugdugdug said:

Can i have some 4* rank down tickets?

who would you rank down?

All of them, and use my t4b on 5*

Ch1efster

Honestly, a couple 4* rank downs would be great. Know it probably won't happen though and I also know everyone here hates when people bring up RDT's too. But, I would love to rank down my 4* R5 Sparky that I can't use in Act 6 and use the resources to rank up my 5* Sparky that I can use.

Jh_Dez

Great.
Indomitable nodes everywhere

Bidzy7

DNA3000 said:

Bidzy7 said:

DNA3000 said:

Hang on, that's two different things. You said "The official 'answer' is that 4* champions would not be able to take on Act 6 because they are too weak." That's false: they didn't say that. They did say that allowing 4* champs in Act 6 could lead to frustration, but that doesn't mean there's anything explicitly wrong with 4* champs. Rather, that means all players are different, and for many players attempting to use 4* champs could lead to frustration.

That's not debatable, that's undeniably true. We already see this now: there's lots of players who have expressed frustration over the difficulty of Uncollected monthly events, and the logic is often words to the effect of "they are uncollected, so uncollected should be something they should be able to do." Becoming uncollected is the prerequisite for doing uncollected difficulty, but many players who can't do uncollected difficulty believe that the problem is with the content if they are uncollected, because the prerequisite was met to do it.

They may have never actually said 4* were too weak but it definitely was implied. What other reason could you have to say they would cause frustration ?

Don't quote my posts if you're not going to read them.

Bidzy7 said:

Also you are saying that using 4* "COULD" lead to frustration and then saying that it is "UNDENIABLY TRUE".
Sorry but you can't really say something like that is true because you can't speak on behalf of everyone. You yourself say it "COULD"

It is undeniably true that allowing players into high difficulty content above their skill level relative to their roster strength could lead to frustration, because we have multiple examples of this already happening, which I stated in the post you quoted but did not read. I don't have to speak for everyone to say something could happen: a single example of it actually happening is enough to prove that it could happen. Which is the normal, ordinary meaning of these words.

I read your post what did i misunderstand

someone said that kabam said that 4* will be too weak. Then you said that was false and all kabam said was using 4* could be frustrating.

I said they may not have actually said they are too weak for the content but it was implied. Do you disagree with this?
What could cause 4* to be frustrating if not they are too weak to take it on ?

Also this response has shifted now from 4* in act 6 to skilled and roster strength in taking on difficult content, which i would say is not impaired by 4*. The game has been designed that roster strength is affected by RNG and as such people have strengthened their roster with 4* where they are not lucky enough to pull champions to counter certain game mechanics.
Your original statement said that "MANY" players attempting act 6 with 4* "COULD" have frustrations and that was "UNDENIABLY" true. This is not a matter of fact and is simply your opinion. Act 6 is not out so this is all hypothetical.
Also there are many reasons for players frustrations such as
1) Having to use champions that isn't as easy as other champions due to bad pulls
2) Not being able to get past a certain mechanic /challenge without a suitable counter e.g. iceman's first introduction no one was happy about having to take that unavoidable cold snap damage. Very limited options at the time.
3) having bugs when taking on the content e.g. lag for dark hawk, the fatigue debuff in variant
4) having a sense of entitlement that just because they are uncollected they should be able to do UC EQ
5) not having the skill to consistently avoid specials or certain damage
6) frustrations to changes to AI or AI speed or AI interaction e.g. not throwing specials

all of these equally apply to 5 & 6*.

the only reason i can think of which would cause frustration in using 4* is they are too weak for the content, which to be honest I can't really see people stating I can't do act 6 with all 4*. Do we see the same with all the content now in regards to 3* ? No we don't because players know their is a higher rarity of champions to look to.

Also your example that i allegedly didn't read talks more about peoples sense of entitlement to completing content just because they meet the requirement for it. I find it hard to believe people complain about not being able to do the monthly UC EQ with only 4* and the actual reasons for peoples frustrations I have mentioned above, which equally apply to 5 & 6*.

DNA3000 said:

This thought process is completely wrong, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause problems for the game that would be magically solved if the players who aren't ready for Uncollected were somehow barred from even attempting it. Of course, that's not practical: there's no way to know in advance if someone can or can't do it.

Kabam isn't saying you personally won't be able to do Act 6 with 4* champs. They are saying that the percentage of people who can among all players who will try is low enough to be a problem. In and of itself that isn't the justification for the progress gate, but it is a legitimate factor in favor of it.

Here you say on the one hand you can't know in advance if players can do content or not and its impractical to do that and then on the other hand you're saying kabam know that only a small percentage of players can do the content with 4* and thus that's one of the factors for this gating. Well unless you work for kabam then you don't know what they are "saying" by this gate anymore then the rest of the community. Also you are contradicting yourself here.


If i have misunderstood or misread what you have put in your post, then please elaborate and point me in the right direction.