Fantastic Family Community Milestones Event - Final Fight Count: 1,162,760,840

RagamugginGunner

Kaspy said:

Free AQ week is pretty lame. Only a subset of players would benefit from this. Any alliance that runs map 4 or less gets no benefit. So i guess half the community is supposed to put in work so the other half gets to save on donation?

I have a feeling that those who play higher maps will be contributing much more than those who play free maps.

Wayde0wilson

Events should be like which encourages more and more player to play, with these lame rewards I won't do a single extra fight. Even though if I let go rewards, event should be fun, what's this event again?

Jemster519

Kabam Miike said:

Werewrym said:

will-o-wisp said:

Honestly, the rewards are really disappointing ... They are something that would be expected to be released either way, with no relationship with any event.

Boosts - Easily obtainable in alliance crystals and alliance events.
Dungeons day - It goes with what I stated above, this would be kinda expected even if there was no event to trigger it.
Gold Arena - I'll skip that one, since gold is the most easily farmed resource in the game and there is pretty much no problems with it if you play daily.
Free Alliance Quest Maps - It's nice, but again not really a suitable reward for an event.

I would much rather prefer crystal or catalyst shards than any of these really

I was going to post something of the likes, but you said it all. My first impression of this event is that it's a big let down from what it could have been. There was so much potential, but its mostly trivial amounts of resources that are already easy to obtain in the game as you said. I guess its free so there's that, but it could have been much much better.

This is our first time doing this, so if you see room for improvement, share it with us!

We wouldn't want to give direct in-game items, but if you have ideas for other kinds of events we could run in the future, let us know!

A trading event would be nice. The ability to trade resources with other members of your alliance (Only Alliance as friends opens things up too much for Kabam's liking). And a reward event for it as well so the more you trade, the more points you will earn for the alliance event. This would be something different.

Sinedd92

This is reeeeally disappointing, lots of fights, 0 sense in any rewards. I need literally nothing, even if my account was like 100 or 200k, nothing would've changed. This is ridiculous, have to win more than 1 billion fights to get NOTHING

danieltcampos

Wow, that is the worse event that i've ever seen in this game by far. Thanks for the hard work Kabam.

TheTalents

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

RunamokUSA said:

Ali a lot o whining for getting stuff for just playing the game like you normally do? It is just milestones based on the overall fight count? This community is so entitled that if you are not getting shards for nothing nobody is happy?

Chances are you were going to do those same fights anyways with nothing extra?

If you're okay with bare minimum that is fine. The be grateful just because the game exists thing is getting old.

The everything is boring and everything is outdated and the game is stale thing was old three years ago when everyone was saying the game was not going to be around for much longer unless Kabam started making rewards "more relevant."

The problem is not that some people are happy with the "bare minimum." The problem is some people think anything they aren't happy with is the bare minimum.

I don't think the event is the bare minimum, and I would be happy to play the game with only the people who likewise didn't constantly think the game was going downhill. I would bet that's more than 98% of the actual players of the game, even if it seems to be only 2% of the forum posters.

I just got on the forums less than 6 months ago and I've always felt like this but didn't post. You can minimize the size all you want but when Kabam has to retract statements or change plans based on things we said then you act like it was a possibility all along.

We're trying to help Kabam by saying more exciting rewards, if you think that people will just keep coming and it's a select few we'll let the numbers decide. Me personally I have hope for November because of act 6.3 but majority of the players don't have access to it.

Bigbowlr

Some ideas for future events like this.
1st milestone: the 500k gold arena
2nd milestone: special calendar + Gold arena reset
3rd milestone: Dungeon Days + Gold arena reset
4th milestone: Free AQ maps + Gold arena reset + 2nd Dungeon days.
5th milestone: 90 day Super Login calendar like we had over the summer.
This would allow everyone to get 2M gold.over the course of the month, it would unlock 2 Dungeon days(which I think people enjoy) and 2 weeks of free AQ make everything a little less stressful for everyone and another huge calendar for everyone to enjoy.

Jwallace25

The first milestone should be something that gets everyone excited and ready to be involved. To be honest, I have very mild excitement for the first milestone. I would rather have gotten the gold arenas first. Just some constructive criticism.

RustyB1ade

All I wanted was some shards.

Bugmat78

I think the order of the milestones could be improved on - trade-in event seems less exciting than the gold arena or free AQ maps. I think in most players minds these events are not on par, and so shouldn't require equal effort to unlock. AS it stands it is implied that you need to reach a similar number of victories to unlock each.

Cliffordcan

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

PizzaGuy245

this is incredibly sad,they dont even bother to respond to any of the criticism.Wow

DNA3000

TheTalents said:

We're trying to help Kabam by saying more exciting rewards, if you think that people will just keep coming and it's a select few we'll let the numbers decide.

No, you won't. If everyone who said that actually held to it over the last four years, the forums would contain 99% retractions, instead of 99% complaints.

TheTalents

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

We're trying to help Kabam by saying more exciting rewards, if you think that people will just keep coming and it's a select few we'll let the numbers decide.

No, you won't. If everyone who said that actually held to it over the last four years, the forums would contain 99% retractions, instead of 99% complaints.

The Forum doesn't have 99% complaints you stating that is a wild exaggeration. I think for the most part people are fair and it's just a difference in standard. You have the mindset of someone who is satisfied and that's fine for you but some of us want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. Ultimately the numbers will decide just like it always does, just like Kabam retracted the Champion updates due to people holding their wallets. The numbers deciding isn't limited to people quitting the game.

Kabam Miike

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

I think what you're referring to is the Champion's Clash, which was a special High Difficulty Challenge Quest, and not a Side Quest such as this. It was, at the time, one of the most difficult challenges that we had ever introduced.

It consisted of 2 Chapters: The first of which was accessible, but difficult for most Mid-High Tier Summoners.
The second was a very difficult quest that was a challenge even for our top end players. You can take a look back at that Quest here, and the reaction that it garnered in the following pages: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/109351/announcing-the-champion-s-clash/

Challenge Quests are not the same as Side Quests. They are special occurrences that happen from time to time. In fact, we recently did a Content Creator Boss Rush in September that was significantly easier and contained a 5-Star Crystal as the reward. That would be a more apt comparison.

TheTalents

Kabam Miike said:

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

I think what you're referring to is the Champion's Clash, which was a special High Difficulty Challenge Quest, and not a Side Quest such as this. It was, at the time, one of the most difficult challenges that we had ever introduced.

It consisted of 2 Chapters: The first of which was accessible, but difficult for most Mid-High Tier Summoners.
The second was a very difficult quest that was a challenge even for our top end players. You can take a look back at that Quest here, and the reaction that it garnered in the following pages: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/109351/announcing-the-champion-s-clash/

Challenge Quests are not the same as Side Quests. They are special occurrences that happen from time to time. In fact, we recently did a Content Creator Boss Rush in September that was significantly easier and contained a 5-Star Crystal as the reward. That would be a more apt comparison.

I see what you're saying and agree. I had a blast with the Champions Clash by the way but I do see the usual complaints from people saying that it is too hard based on the forum reactions (and I don't agree with that). Also, the more recent Boss Rush that gave out a 5 star hero had positive feedback overall I would say and was fun as well. So the comparison is not apples to apples.

At the same time the hype into the Nov event, and having a community wide event many players just expected more overall in terms of rewards ( I'm not speaking for everyone). I wrote the details in an earlier post of what I thought Kabam could do specifically to help Master and Epic level players be happy with the rewards moving forward so I won't repeat it.

I appreciate your feedback into this discussion.

Kabam Miike

Indrick781 said:

Kabam Miike said:

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

I think what you're referring to is the Champion's Clash, which was a special High Difficulty Challenge Quest, and not a Side Quest such as this. It was, at the time, one of the most difficult challenges that we had ever introduced.

It consisted of 2 Chapters: The first of which was accessible, but difficult for most Mid-High Tier Summoners.
The second was a very difficult quest that was a challenge even for our top end players. You can take a look back at that Quest here, and the reaction that it garnered in the following pages: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/109351/announcing-the-champion-s-clash/

Challenge Quests are not the same as Side Quests. They are special occurrences that happen from time to time. In fact, we recently did a Content Creator Boss Rush in September that was significantly easier and contained a 5-Star Crystal as the reward. That would be a more apt comparison.

I think you're missing the entire point. The perception of these events is that they are pretty disappointing. They are grindy with very little pay off. The free AQ week only matters if you're doing maps 5-7. The Invasions cost energy in an already bloated month for content(new EQ and 6.3) and don't offer that much in terms of rewards. You wouldn't even get a full 5* from doing the grind every day.

You have two events running and I get why you chose to do daily events. It'll help the total number of fights go up faster theoretically. The issue with that is the rewards have to be worth doing to grind them daily. I guarantee you that Halls of Healing and Halls of Fortune would be much more appreciated than this side quest which looks like an energy drain for "meh" rewards.

This is coupled with special event let down, 6.2 being not well received, the new calendars being minimally better. The perception from your players is that you are doing the minimum to make us happy. This is the culmination of a year long event and you received a very tepid response. That isn't good.

I have not missed that point, and have made sure we've conveyed that to the entire team. I've had a lot of conversations with lots of different members of the Community about it, and I definitely get it. I'm not saying that you guys don't have a point, but I do want to differentiate Side Quest content from regular month to month side Quests.

I will argue that we never do the Minimum. Every month we do our best to bring you guys something new, or different, or exciting. Rewards are a big part of that, and I agree that not everybody is going to be excited about every reward, and that balancing rewards and difficulty for an entire community that has such varied levels of progression is always extremely difficult.

Very late game players are the one group that we don't lump in with everybody else, but have been tailoring content for throughout the year in the form of Back Issues Variant Difficulties, the addition of Alliance Quest modifiers (more information on those coming soon), Act 6, and other challenges.

Jack0312

Kabam Miike said:

I have not missed that point, and have made sure we've conveyed that to the entire team. I've had a lot of conversations with lots of different members of the Community about it, and I definitely get it. I'm not saying that you guys don't have a point, but I do want to differentiate Side Quest content from regular month to month side Quests.

I will argue that we never do the Minimum. Every month we do our best to bring you guys something new, or different, or exciting. Rewards are a big part of that, and I agree that not everybody is going to be excited about every reward, and that balancing rewards and difficulty for an entire community that has such varied levels of progression is always extremely difficult.

Very late game players are the one group that we don't lump in with everybody else, but have been tailoring content for throughout the year in the form of Back Issues Variant Difficulties, the addition of Alliance Quest modifiers (more information on those coming soon), Act 6, and other challenges.

I think you missed something very important : we want to be rewarded for the time we play this game and for our involvement.
Plus, you've been teasing the Fantastic Four since a year, but all we have is the standard EQ + side quests with ridiculous rewards regarding what we have to do to get them !

Now, even the mid-tier players are bored when we're at the middle of the month because every month we do the same things, but with different ennemies and different nodes.
All these hours of game for the exactly same rewards than last year !

Nowadays, we need more 6 star shards, more T2A catalysts, more 5 star shards, more T5BC, ...
Just a simple example --> If we don't pay, we don't have sig stones... How is it possible ?!

This event could have been a new departure with improved rewards to encourage the whole community to stay and continue to play...

Kaspy

Kabam Miike said:

Indrick781 said:

Kabam Miike said:

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

I think what you're referring to is the Champion's Clash, which was a special High Difficulty Challenge Quest, and not a Side Quest such as this. It was, at the time, one of the most difficult challenges that we had ever introduced.

It consisted of 2 Chapters: The first of which was accessible, but difficult for most Mid-High Tier Summoners.
The second was a very difficult quest that was a challenge even for our top end players. You can take a look back at that Quest here, and the reaction that it garnered in the following pages: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/109351/announcing-the-champion-s-clash/

Challenge Quests are not the same as Side Quests. They are special occurrences that happen from time to time. In fact, we recently did a Content Creator Boss Rush in September that was significantly easier and contained a 5-Star Crystal as the reward. That would be a more apt comparison.

I think you're missing the entire point. The perception of these events is that they are pretty disappointing. They are grindy with very little pay off. The free AQ week only matters if you're doing maps 5-7. The Invasions cost energy in an already bloated month for content(new EQ and 6.3) and don't offer that much in terms of rewards. You wouldn't even get a full 5* from doing the grind every day.

You have two events running and I get why you chose to do daily events. It'll help the total number of fights go up faster theoretically. The issue with that is the rewards have to be worth doing to grind them daily. I guarantee you that Halls of Healing and Halls of Fortune would be much more appreciated than this side quest which looks like an energy drain for "meh" rewards.

This is coupled with special event let down, 6.2 being not well received, the new calendars being minimally better. The perception from your players is that you are doing the minimum to make us happy. This is the culmination of a year long event and you received a very tepid response. That isn't good.

I have not missed that point, and have made sure we've conveyed that to the entire team. I've had a lot of conversations with lots of different members of the Community about it, and I definitely get it. I'm not saying that you guys don't have a point, but I do want to differentiate Side Quest content from regular month to month side Quests.

I will argue that we never do the Minimum. Every month we do our best to bring you guys something new, or different, or exciting. Rewards are a big part of that, and I agree that not everybody is going to be excited about every reward, and that balancing rewards and difficulty for an entire community that has such varied levels of progression is always extremely difficult.

Very late game players are the one group that we don't lump in with everybody else, but have been tailoring content for throughout the year in the form of Back Issues Variant Difficulties, the addition of Alliance Quest modifiers (more information on those coming soon), Act 6, and other challenges.

I understand it is a difficult balance with such variance in the progression of the player base, but all the community feedback the past couple months is that you guys have been missing the mark, but yet here we still are having the same conversation. It feels like the effort we make to come on here and give feedback to make the game a more enjoyable experience for everyone so it can last a long time continually falls on deaf ears.

I think there is a rather simple step that could be taken that would go a long way to help resolve these issues which would be to create a new difficulty level for quests.

DNA3000

TheTalents said:

You have the mindset of someone who is satisfied and that's fine for you but some of us want to have fun and make the game as good as possible.

And what do the rest of you want.

TheTalents

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

You have the mindset of someone who is satisfied and that's fine for you but some of us want to have fun and make the game as good as possible.

And what do the rest of you want.

I just said we want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. The rest are likely leaving outside of the ones that are satisfied such as yourself, but I don't care for the people that no longer contribute, unless its just a break.

RagamugginGunner

Kabam Miike said:

Indrick781 said:

Kabam Miike said:

TheTalents said:

Cliffordcan said:

Apocalypse189 said:

I for one am pleased that they have done this but no matter what, they cant cater to everyone. Everyone is at different stages in the game, but progress on their own terms. Not when everyone tells them too. I think that's the whole point they are trying to convey.

But they can cater to everyone, they have many times in the past. They have progression based titles that they could have broken down real REWARDS(crystals, shards & rank up materials), instead of a (not great) resource mgmt tool, some boosts, gold and free AQ that "applies to all."

But is doesn't apply to all, maybe 5% of the playerbase will play more because of these rewards, maybe 10%. But most here aren't excited. Kabam could have easily gotten 90-95% of the active playerbase to be excited & play more to reach decent, non game breaking progression-based rewards.

This is fact and not conjecture. The rewards for last years Nov 2018 event was better than now. There's no way to get hype for an event that is more than a year behind in rewards. My hope is the Var 4 and 6.3 are exceptional. It worries me a bit the way most a talking about it.

I don't even see the usual bunch aggressively defending Kabam which is more than odd.

I think what you're referring to is the Champion's Clash, which was a special High Difficulty Challenge Quest, and not a Side Quest such as this. It was, at the time, one of the most difficult challenges that we had ever introduced.

It consisted of 2 Chapters: The first of which was accessible, but difficult for most Mid-High Tier Summoners.
The second was a very difficult quest that was a challenge even for our top end players. You can take a look back at that Quest here, and the reaction that it garnered in the following pages: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/109351/announcing-the-champion-s-clash/

Challenge Quests are not the same as Side Quests. They are special occurrences that happen from time to time. In fact, we recently did a Content Creator Boss Rush in September that was significantly easier and contained a 5-Star Crystal as the reward. That would be a more apt comparison.

I think you're missing the entire point. The perception of these events is that they are pretty disappointing. They are grindy with very little pay off. The free AQ week only matters if you're doing maps 5-7. The Invasions cost energy in an already bloated month for content(new EQ and 6.3) and don't offer that much in terms of rewards. You wouldn't even get a full 5* from doing the grind every day.

You have two events running and I get why you chose to do daily events. It'll help the total number of fights go up faster theoretically. The issue with that is the rewards have to be worth doing to grind them daily. I guarantee you that Halls of Healing and Halls of Fortune would be much more appreciated than this side quest which looks like an energy drain for "meh" rewards.

This is coupled with special event let down, 6.2 being not well received, the new calendars being minimally better. The perception from your players is that you are doing the minimum to make us happy. This is the culmination of a year long event and you received a very tepid response. That isn't good.

I have not missed that point, and have made sure we've conveyed that to the entire team. I've had a lot of conversations with lots of different members of the Community about it, and I definitely get it. I'm not saying that you guys don't have a point, but I do want to differentiate Side Quest content from regular month to month side Quests.

I will argue that we never do the Minimum. Every month we do our best to bring you guys something new, or different, or exciting. Rewards are a big part of that, and I agree that not everybody is going to be excited about every reward, and that balancing rewards and difficulty for an entire community that has such varied levels of progression is always extremely difficult.

Very late game players are the one group that we don't lump in with everybody else, but have been tailoring content for throughout the year in the form of Back Issues Variant Difficulties, the addition of Alliance Quest modifiers (more information on those coming soon), Act 6, and other challenges.

Arguing "Challenge Quest vs Side Quest" is just semantics. It's an extra event that not EQ or permanent content. Also, "Minimum" rewards are subjective. Obviously they cold be less so you didn't do the bare minimum but that doesn't mean they're good.

And why, exactly are you excluding end game players in side events? We've heard that having the Cav title will give us access to bigger and better rewards but outside of some offers the new calendar is the first actual benefit from getting that title. Where's the Cav difficulty events or arenas? Keep those who've invested the most time (and in many cases money) in the game.

battleone

Let me speak to why the end game community is upset at a higher level. You reach a certain point in this game, for me I have 17 r5 5 stars and 25 6 stars.... and pretty much can’t progress further unless I literally spend 10s of $1000s of dollars to expand my roster. There is simply no way to progress besides buying motherloads of cav crystals. So to get a couple months of meh rewards the question left is where I can really progress, how long do you expect me to spin my tires in this position? I do all the arenas, I am in a pretty high war alliance and top 20 aq. The gap between me and the next level is literally 1000s of cav crystals. We need a way to progress at a reasonable cost or a grindable way.

DNA3000

TheTalents said:

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

You have the mindset of someone who is satisfied and that's fine for you but some of us want to have fun and make the game as good as possible.

And what do the rest of you want.

I just said we want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. The rest are likely leaving outside of the ones that are satisfied such as yourself, but I don't care for the people that no longer contribute, unless its just a break.

You said some of you want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. I'm curious to know what the rest of you want. If you're including me in "us" please don't, because you don't speak for me, and characterizing me as someone that doesn't want to have fun and isn't working to make the game as good as possible is inaccurate and insulting.

I find a lot of complaints counter-productive, which is why I don't support them. I could be wrong, but I still have to call them like I see them. For example, I've repeatedly explained my position on in-game monetary offers. A lot of people complain they contain poor value. I believe that this is good for the game, because high value cash offers devalue gameplay value. So demanding that they contain ever increasing value is to me damaging to the game.

And while I think there's a lot of ways to improve the rewards in the game, the constant complaining about how the rewards aren't "relevant to the meta" are I believe completely overlooking how games like this are developed. Rewards are not a point in time thing. Rewards, even when it doesn't appear so on short time scales, are a rate thing. Rewards do go up constantly on long time scales, and that rate is very tricky to control, because it is very difficult to reduce. The more rewards the game gives out, the quicker it has to simply obsolete those rewards by introducing higher tier ones. A lot of people complained about the introduction of 6* champs. A lot of those very same people demanded higher rates of 5* shard acquisition and faster rank up resource rewards. Those two are connected: one ultimately caused the other. This was something I actually predicted significantly before it happened, because it is a design inevitability.

That doesn't mean there's no room for adjustment or review, but I see no nuance to the complaints at all. I see people saying the rewards are bad, getting worse, and it will be the quick death of the game. Maybe somewhere in there is a valid point about rewards, but I would never willingly stand by and hand the keys to the game to someone with that point of view. In my opinion, *that* would be the quick death of the game.

I want a fun game that improves over time at least as much as you. I've been offering criticism and feedback since almost the beginning. But I don't claim to be representing anyone but myself and I don't take credit for bringing back the Sun in the morning.

TheTalents

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

You have the mindset of someone who is satisfied and that's fine for you but some of us want to have fun and make the game as good as possible.

And what do the rest of you want.

I just said we want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. The rest are likely leaving outside of the ones that are satisfied such as yourself, but I don't care for the people that no longer contribute, unless its just a break.

You said some of you want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. I'm curious to know what the rest of you want. If you're including me in "us" please don't, because you don't speak for me, and characterizing me as someone that doesn't want to have fun and isn't working to make the game as good as possible is inaccurate and insulting.

I find a lot of complaints counter-productive, which is why I don't support them. I could be wrong, but I still have to call them like I see them. For example, I've repeatedly explained my position on in-game monetary offers. A lot of people complain they contain poor value. I believe that this is good for the game, because high value cash offers devalue gameplay value. So demanding that they contain ever increasing value is to me damaging to the game.

And while I think there's a lot of ways to improve the rewards in the game, the constant complaining about how the rewards aren't "relevant to the meta" are I believe completely overlooking how games like this are developed. Rewards are not a point in time thing. Rewards, even when it doesn't appear so on short time scales, are a rate thing. Rewards do go up constantly on long time scales, and that rate is very tricky to control, because it is very difficult to reduce. The more rewards the game gives out, the quicker it has to simply obsolete those rewards by introducing higher tier ones. A lot of people complained about the introduction of 6* champs. A lot of those very same people demanded higher rates of 5* shard acquisition and faster rank up resource rewards. Those two are connected: one ultimately caused the other. This was something I actually predicted significantly before it happened, because it is a design inevitability.

That doesn't mean there's no room for adjustment or review, but I see no nuance to the complaints at all. I see people saying the rewards are bad, getting worse, and it will be the quick death of the game. Maybe somewhere in there is a valid point about rewards, but I would never willingly stand by and hand the keys to the game to someone with that point of view. In my opinion, *that* would be the quick death of the game.

I want a fun game that improves over time at least as much as you. I've been offering criticism and feedback since almost the beginning. But I don't claim to be representing anyone but myself and I don't take credit for bringing back the Sun in the morning.

Stop with the word play. I included you specifically in the satisfied player section which you are and you don't deny. There was no mention in you being included in "us" when I already cited your category. So yes, you are a satisfied player, you don't see any issue with the monthly event overall. That is very clear.

If you find my standard insulting because you find the rewards par or above par than tough. Me and others on the forum and beyond disagree with you completely and I'm giving constructive criticism on it. Also, I disagree that complaining doesn't help because Kabam cannot figure out what we want on their own, they invite the feedback both positive and negative. Which is why I got selected for numerous survey's regarding summoner sigil for an example. Lets agree to disagree on this one.

Pony_boy

Transmuting Potions and Revives should be part of the game, along with Potions being percent based instead of Hit Points. This is a better quality of life for Summoners.

It would be appreciated if sometimes you put customer enjoyment over making money.

TheKiryu

https://youtu.be/twPS3wtztl4

I Will just leave this here. I did in fact try my best to give constructive feedback and ideas.

Please do bear throughout the entire thing 1/2 is side event and 2/2 is community event.

DNA3000

TheTalents said:

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

You have the mindset of someone who is satisfied and that's fine for you but some of us want to have fun and make the game as good as possible.

And what do the rest of you want.

I just said we want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. The rest are likely leaving outside of the ones that are satisfied such as yourself, but I don't care for the people that no longer contribute, unless its just a break.

You said some of you want to have fun and make the game as good as possible. I'm curious to know what the rest of you want. If you're including me in "us" please don't, because you don't speak for me, and characterizing me as someone that doesn't want to have fun and isn't working to make the game as good as possible is inaccurate and insulting.

I find a lot of complaints counter-productive, which is why I don't support them. I could be wrong, but I still have to call them like I see them. For example, I've repeatedly explained my position on in-game monetary offers. A lot of people complain they contain poor value. I believe that this is good for the game, because high value cash offers devalue gameplay value. So demanding that they contain ever increasing value is to me damaging to the game.

And while I think there's a lot of ways to improve the rewards in the game, the constant complaining about how the rewards aren't "relevant to the meta" are I believe completely overlooking how games like this are developed. Rewards are not a point in time thing. Rewards, even when it doesn't appear so on short time scales, are a rate thing. Rewards do go up constantly on long time scales, and that rate is very tricky to control, because it is very difficult to reduce. The more rewards the game gives out, the quicker it has to simply obsolete those rewards by introducing higher tier ones. A lot of people complained about the introduction of 6* champs. A lot of those very same people demanded higher rates of 5* shard acquisition and faster rank up resource rewards. Those two are connected: one ultimately caused the other. This was something I actually predicted significantly before it happened, because it is a design inevitability.

That doesn't mean there's no room for adjustment or review, but I see no nuance to the complaints at all. I see people saying the rewards are bad, getting worse, and it will be the quick death of the game. Maybe somewhere in there is a valid point about rewards, but I would never willingly stand by and hand the keys to the game to someone with that point of view. In my opinion, *that* would be the quick death of the game.

I want a fun game that improves over time at least as much as you. I've been offering criticism and feedback since almost the beginning. But I don't claim to be representing anyone but myself and I don't take credit for bringing back the Sun in the morning.

Stop with the word play. I included you specifically in the satisfied player section which you are and you don't deny. There was no mention in you being included in "us" when I already cited your category. So yes, you are a satisfied player, you don't see any issue with the monthly event overall. That is very clear.

I appreciate you clarifying for me what my opinion is. Now tell me what number am I thinking.

Keenmonkey_5

What will the epic difficulty look like? 30k PI defenders with multiple nodes? Will midgame players such as myself be able to complete without spending items? I'm currently at the stage where I need t5b and t2a for further progression. I can get the same amount of t5b for a little more than a week of AQ from the glory store. But if I have to spend units or revives and potions to get through the 14 days of invasions from what I can get from a week of AQ using no/ free items, what's the point of trying. My items could be more useful in other aspects of the game. I'm holding my breath for difficulty for now but much less hyped than I was last week. The community event is meh at best. Definitely not going to increase play time for previously accessible perks. Just my 2 cents.

Bidzy7

as the culmination of a year long event introducing the fantastic 4 into the battle realm, the conclusion seems underwhelming.

The milestones rewards for the community challenge aren't very exciting.
based on numbers I've seen it seems 250 million is the average fights completed per week.
this event is 4 weeks long and has 5 milestones so if each milestone takes 250 million it means players would have to be more active to achieve the last milestone. Why would players try to achieve the last milestone ?
most alliances running map 5-7 have the resources to run those maps anyway. Its hardly an exciting incentive and we have had free AQ maps throughout the year and usually have it several times throughout the year for various reasons. The top Milestone should of at least been something super exciting like access to a special event where you face off against all members of the fantastic 4 and Dr Doom etc for some fantastic rewards, maybe the 2 * arena for a 5 star crystal etc.

Also in general the side events have been a real grind. you have the EQ, the side quest, AQ, AW, Arena. that's a lot of time grinding away in a game each month.

for the past 4 months the side quests have looked like such

July - Grinding Side Quest
August - Grinding Side Quest
September - Grinding Side Quest
October - Grinding Side quest

and now next month its the same but you seem to be getting less in the rewards. The last decent side quest i can remember was probably the Alantian rifts.
just feels like you have run out of ideas for fun events and for me the game is just getting boring.


Last year October we had the lil symbiode event which was super fun.
This October was underwhelming to say the least and quite frankly boring.
Also don't we usually get a special Halloween Calendar normally ? I seem to remember a Spooky crystal
Oh wait its just been moved to be given after getting the community milestone