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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,489 ★★★★★
    Speeds80 said:

    If you are campaigning for that broken system to be brought back by saying that all the matches were fair and that my 30m alliance belonged in silver 1 receiving 3 * shards because we couldn’t win as many matches as those 3* alliances exploiting that system And displacing us from rewards we clearly are capable of competing for. then you may as well save your breath just like we may as well save our breath in Responding to you, you continue to antagonise, you don’t bring any solution. But guess what we don’t need a solution, it’s here, all we as a community need is the Entitled 4* alliances who think they deserve gold Rewards to be ignored long enough for The system to right itself, back to the fairest system that was ever in place and clearly didn’t need replacing

    I'm not campaigning for anything. Had the system stayed the way it was, I provided a way to accommodate the Rewards so that Alliances would received Rewards appropriate to what they were working with, but that was overlooked. What I want is for people to stop pretending that the complaints aren't warranted because what people are facing during their Season efforts is Matches they have no chance of winning at all. It should have been handled differently and now people are being forced into Losses just to fix the system. With encouragement no less, by a Special Event. Did I think the Matches were fair before? Absolutely. That's why I said so in this Thread. I don't really care who agrees with me or not. I know what I'm saying. As much as people think Alliances using lower Champs weren't working as hard, that's not the case. They were fighting equal strength Matches in the same Tiers with the same Nodes. I still think that, no matter what anyone's Ego says. Regardless, my real issue is what we're dealing with now, and it's disrespectful for people to keep telling others everything is as it should be. These Matches are ridiculous, so let them complain.
  • Thicco_ModeThicco_Mode Member Posts: 8,852 ★★★★★

    Speeds80 said:

    If you are campaigning for that broken system to be brought back by saying that all the matches were fair and that my 30m alliance belonged in silver 1 receiving 3 * shards because we couldn’t win as many matches as those 3* alliances exploiting that system And displacing us from rewards we clearly are capable of competing for. then you may as well save your breath just like we may as well save our breath in Responding to you, you continue to antagonise, you don’t bring any solution. But guess what we don’t need a solution, it’s here, all we as a community need is the Entitled 4* alliances who think they deserve gold Rewards to be ignored long enough for The system to right itself, back to the fairest system that was ever in place and clearly didn’t need replacing

    I'm not campaigning for anything. Had the system stayed the way it was, I provided a way to accommodate the Rewards so that Alliances would received Rewards appropriate to what they were working with, but that was overlooked. What I want is for people to stop pretending that the complaints aren't warranted because what people are facing during their Season efforts is Matches they have no chance of winning at all. It should have been handled differently and now people are being forced into Losses just to fix the system. With encouragement no less, by a Special Event. Did I think the Matches were fair before? Absolutely. That's why I said so in this Thread. I don't really care who agrees with me or not. I know what I'm saying. As much as people think Alliances using lower Champs weren't working as hard, that's not the case. They were fighting equal strength Matches in the same Tiers with the same Nodes. I still think that, no matter what anyone's Ego says. Regardless, my real issue is what we're dealing with now, and it's disrespectful for people to keep telling others everything is as it should be. These Matches are ridiculous, so let them complain.
    I don't think anyone is claiming these new matchups are fair. We all know they're next to unwinnable in many cases. I think, and I'm guessing that most people would tend to agree, that the old system was far from fair, but I'd rather not go into it again. Obviously, both sides have made up their minds and there's no changing of opinions that'll happen. But again, no one is trying to silence those who are complaining. They're not fair, and it's plain as that. But the new system is in place already and kabam are probably sticking with it.

    On a side note, if you said the old system was fair, would you say the new one is unfair for lower players when the war ratings are relatively stable? Let's say if the season is over and everyone is "where they should be' according to the war rating rankings, which system do you think is better for all players, especially the non-whales who are progressing? If both systems were at a balance, or as balanced as each system could be, which do you think would be better for the game. I genuinely want to know what you think, and I apologize in advance if i sound snide or anything like that. I just want to know where your problems are with the system, whether it's this transition phase or how matchmaking is based off war rating.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,489 ★★★★★
    Speeds80 said:

    You literally went on to say the old matchups were fairer. Like everyone has said we don’t agree that the current matchups are fair for the lower alliance, but they are justified after 8 seasons where they were given unjustifiable advantage at the direct detriment of any alliance with higher prestige than them

    I said even Matches are fair. Yes. I did. If people can't win a fair fight, or only win some and lose some, then how can they judge others winning more fair fights? I don't get how people can't see how an even Match is fair. Whether it's pride based on the fact that their Champs are higher, or entitlement because they're used to dominating the board, or just plain bitterness because they're only winning so many of their own Matches, i don't get it.
    Forget the fact that the bigger guys could crush the smaller guys. That is a comparison that shouldn't have come into the situation. Look at one side fighting Opponents equal to what THEY are bringing to the table. That is fair. It's fair for the little guys and it's fair for the bigger guys. The Matches themselves were fair. I'm sorry, but no argument to the contrary is going to convince me the bigger guys are working harder because what they're working with is also stronger.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,489 ★★★★★

    Two 12 year olds are in a scrap on the playground and the 16 year old jumps in and says they can beat the 12 year old, so they aren't earning the win. That's all I see.

    So the 12 year olds should win prizes for fighting and the 16 year old can’t fight them so he’s clearly inferior and deserves less? Once again, do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The fact is that you got an unfair advantage and it went away. There are thousands of teams all competing for the same prizes. You can’t beat better stronger teams so you are whining to change it back so you can beat weaker teams to get ahead of stronger teams that you can’t beat.
    Tell me this. If this was about the Rewards, why wasn't that the complaint? Why wasn't that addressed instead of the situation we have here?
    We all know what this was about. The Top wanted to watch them fall, and here we are with an open season of slaughter. That's what this has always been about. The Rewards could have been resolved differently. It's not about that. Some people think these Alliances owe them the pleasure of watching them fail.
  • BuGiBuGi Member Posts: 22
    6M VS 44M

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  • Kabam AhabKabam Ahab Moderator Posts: 956
    This is a reminder, please stay on topic. Personal attacks and trolling are not allowed. Thanks!
  • GOTGGOTG Member Posts: 1,040 ★★★★
    After one or two season small alliances will be pushed back to where they belong and there will be no more complaints as such.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    Greekhit said:

    GOTG said:

    After one or two season small alliances will be pushed back to where they belong and there will be no more complaints as such.

    That will be shorted much sooner. A couple of weeks will be enough to short things out.
    The 10+ seasons aw circus is finally over 🥳
    Tbh for the many that are in gold 1/plat 4, it’ll be sorted probably by the 4th or 5th war.
    The only ones that will take forever to sort are the 8k prestige groups that got plat 1 while steam rolling plat4/3 8k prestige groups.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★

    Greekhit said:

    GOTG said:

    After one or two season small alliances will be pushed back to where they belong and there will be no more complaints as such.

    That will be shorted much sooner. A couple of weeks will be enough to short things out.
    The 10+ seasons aw circus is finally over 🥳
    Tbh for the many that are in gold 1/plat 4, it’ll be sorted probably by the 4th or 5th war.
    The only ones that will take forever to sort are the 8k prestige groups that got plat 1 while steam rolling plat4/3 8k prestige groups.
    It won't take that long with the war ratings cut in half.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    I think the fact that I could’ve got my 2nd account, that only has 3 5*s and easily gotten higher ranked rewards than my main that has over 20 6*s says everything you need about the old system.

    A plat 2 alliance could all start new accounts, get 8 maxed 4*s and steamroll for several seasons and likely land plat 1 with relative ease, if they then played it smart and never opened any of the crystals they got from wars, they could keep that going for multiple seasons, then when they were done, pop all the crystals.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★

    Greekhit said:

    GOTG said:

    After one or two season small alliances will be pushed back to where they belong and there will be no more complaints as such.

    That will be shorted much sooner. A couple of weeks will be enough to short things out.
    The 10+ seasons aw circus is finally over 🥳
    Tbh for the many that are in gold 1/plat 4, it’ll be sorted probably by the 4th or 5th war.
    The only ones that will take forever to sort are the 8k prestige groups that got plat 1 while steam rolling plat4/3 8k prestige groups.
    It won't take that long with the war ratings cut in half.
    Yeah forever was the wrong word, but it’ll take them a bit longer just because they’re higher up.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,489 ★★★★★
    It's ridiculous. Don't listen to people saying everything is as it should be.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    There’s only 1 solution that could’ve removed many of the lopsided (but fair as far as war rating is concerned) matches. And that would’ve been for kabam to set everyone’s war rating to 0 and then used their prestige to give them a new starting war rating (something like prestige/10= war rating) this would’ve moved everyone back to where they theoretically should’ve been, essentially resetting the ranking, but of course not everyone cares about prestige or is at an equal skill to their prestige, so some would fall quite a bit, others would rise, but nothing would be lopsided as all your opponents would be similar in prestige, atleast for a few weeks until it starts mixing around again, and then anyone whining would truly be deluded.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,489 ★★★★★
    I don't care that they switched back to War Rating. It's the implementation and the effects I disagree with, and that has just as much to do with the Players wanting changes now as it does the hastiness of it.
  • CaptainGameCaptainGame Member Posts: 369 ★★★

    There’s only 1 solution that could’ve removed many of the lopsided (but fair as far as war rating is concerned) matches. And that would’ve been for kabam to set everyone’s war rating to 0 and then used their prestige to give them a new starting war rating (something like prestige/10= war rating) this would’ve moved everyone back to where they theoretically should’ve been, essentially resetting the ranking, but of course not everyone cares about prestige or is at an equal skill to their prestige, so some would fall quite a bit, others would rise, but nothing would be lopsided as all your opponents would be similar in prestige, atleast for a few weeks until it starts mixing around again, and then anyone whining would truly be deluded.

    Are there negative points going under zero? Doing that still would place teams that are mismatched against each other until ranks are created but if there aren’t negative points then it would take longer to create ranks. By cutting everybody’s points by half, it leaves room for points to be deducted or gained. Or that’s what it seems like. I don’t know for sure.
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