Petition to make no difference in Thronebreaker And Cavalier UNIT-BASED Cyber Weekend Deals!

Lovejoy72

Ebony_Naw said:

Lovejoy72 said:

Ebony_Naw said:

Lovejoy72 said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Newlinstheory said:

@peterrr thats really not true my guy.

I may not be 100% free to play but when I did my first abyss run all the units I had were units I grinded from arena and arena crystals.

I ended up with a science that I used on abom because i have 5* red guardian

I dont see how this is unfair thing for them to do.
This is not a necessity
They are not forcing you
They are urging players to get this asap

im farming for every cyber monday + july offers 2x21K units ... and there is no way i have bonus resources to do abyss

you probably dont care about these offers but i farmed few months and now they created another level of offers wich i can only reach by spending money or forget about cyber monday .... 99% of free to play players cant too its really not doable do get both

its too soon to do cyber monday offers... christmas ? okay i can live with that, but no cyber monday we had 60 days notice ? thats nothing

Why do you feel it is ok to hold back other players because you cannot get something? that is you spitting in the face of thronebreakers using your phrase.

that doesnt even make sense what you just said

im saying its not doable for 99% of free to play players do abyss + act6 completion and get cyber monday offers on 60 day notice

How does it not make sense? What does the portion of the player base at the title have to do with anything. You are wanting kabam to give thronebreakers lower deals because you cannot get the better deals yourself.

I think it is equally irrational to imply that throne breakers will necessarily get worse deals by not splitting cavalier from TB as it is to imply that cav are necessarily getting worse deals due to the existence of throne breaker. That is to say, they can still offer whatever they were going to offer for TB as cavalier deals. The fact that it would include cavalier players does not make it worse, just as whatever they offer if they split the deals isn’t necessarily worse for Cavs if that’s all they were ever going to offer for cav.

I think the real issue remains the need for exclusivity. Since there’s really no virtue to accomplishments in a mobile game, we really can’t chalk this up to hard-work and clean living. These titles are somewhat about progression, somewhat about investment, and a lot about psychology. It was just easier to deal with that psychology when you could see the endpoints as clearing a certain part of the game. Adding in the new champion requirement I think made it clearer that something else was at play, ie the exclusivity. This is reserved for a certain sort of player, good isn’t good enough. And while that is all probably valid for the direction the game needs to take and how you support your most invested player base, it will have the tendency to create hard feelings.

Like for me, the stringency of my work requirements in healthcare will probably forever prevent me from alliance participation. I presume with the splitting of the deals I wont see the kind of offers that will allow me to affordably keep up with players that sort of shape the future of the game. It’s a little like being 3rd tier player, and seeing yourself moving towards 4th or 5th tier instead of 2nd, and not really seeing a pathway to anything but 6th and 7th.

But the game probably doesn’t drive on folks like me, and I don’t really expect it to.

Well articulated, but I would say that if TB deals are going to improve, it's specifically because the desired end game players are now identifiably different than those still working their way through Act 6.

Take the unit deals from July 4th as an example. The unit deals were fairly underwhelming in 6* resources, and it's not farfetched to say the reason for that is because many Cavalier players working through Act 6 had access to them. Meanwhile, the Odin included a 6* nexus that changed the accounts of some people who hadn't even started 6.2. So I can see why Kabam is worried about balancing deals for the endgame players with players who should be far more focused on their 5* rosters.

So in conclusion, I have no idea what the deals are going to be on Cyber Weekend, but I have little doubt that Kabam would hold back on deals geared toward endgame players if they were still grouped together with much if the mid-level.


As a sort of post script, I will say again that there is no such thing as keeping up with the first tier players. It's an illusion designed to compel you to spend beyond your means. Invest as much as you expect to feel will add to your enjoyment of the game. That's the mantra I go by, and strongly recommend to anyone else who feels slighted by the existence of a higher tier of deals.

You and a few of other guys here have been working pretty hard to remind folks not to get caught up in the psychology of the titles, and I do appreciate that. But every game I’ve had to finally quit was one in which I found the nadir of my arc. This is the game I have played far and away the longest and invested the most, and it’s been a pretty nice thing to be able to just pick up between on-call shifts and patients. I have the 15k units, so if I can scrap back to 3rd tier or so (completely made up subjective tier list in my head), I’ll probably keep with it. Otherwise, I’ll likely just wander off!

You're going to ignore most of my comment and instead harp on the one part I literally stated was an afterthought? Maybe spend the next 45 days or whatever it is working on Abyss completion so you can be ready for TB deals if they come? No idea where your account is in terms of progression or roster, but just a thought.

Thank you for the work you do in the public health sector.

I think you misunderstand me. I completely agree and legitimately do appreciate your guys logic on trying to resist the psychology of the title system, and having people progress normally inspite of it. 100%. My statement after that is entirely an explanation of the logic and psychology of gaming that kind of traps me into weird decision-making.

As to your prior paragraphs, that is a very possible scenario. But KB still has free will and can choose to progress their player base anyway they want, I guess? There have been offers in which people felt uncollected got better than Cav, because of 5* vs 6* ratios. Probably stupid, and your argument is when decision making is solid, but they can also be stupid if they want to.

Lovejoy72

Lormif said:

Lovejoy72 said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Newlinstheory said:

@peterrr thats really not true my guy.

I may not be 100% free to play but when I did my first abyss run all the units I had were units I grinded from arena and arena crystals.

I ended up with a science that I used on abom because i have 5* red guardian

I dont see how this is unfair thing for them to do.
This is not a necessity
They are not forcing you
They are urging players to get this asap

im farming for every cyber monday + july offers 2x21K units ... and there is no way i have bonus resources to do abyss

you probably dont care about these offers but i farmed few months and now they created another level of offers wich i can only reach by spending money or forget about cyber monday .... 99% of free to play players cant too its really not doable do get both

its too soon to do cyber monday offers... christmas ? okay i can live with that, but no cyber monday we had 60 days notice ? thats nothing

Why do you feel it is ok to hold back other players because you cannot get something? that is you spitting in the face of thronebreakers using your phrase.

that doesnt even make sense what you just said

im saying its not doable for 99% of free to play players do abyss + act6 completion and get cyber monday offers on 60 day notice

How does it not make sense? What does the portion of the player base at the title have to do with anything. You are wanting kabam to give thronebreakers lower deals because you cannot get the better deals yourself.

I think it is equally irrational to imply that throne breakers will necessarily get worse deals by not splitting cavalier from TB as it is to imply that cav are necessarily getting worse deals due to the existence of throne breaker. That is to say, they can still offer whatever they were going to offer for TB as cavalier deals. The fact that it would include cavalier players does not make it worse, just as whatever they offer if they split the deals isn’t necessarily worse for Cavs if that’s all they were ever going to offer for cav.

I think the real issue remains the need for exclusivity. Since there’s really no virtue to accomplishments in a mobile game, we really can’t chalk this up to hard-work and clean living. These titles are somewhat about progression, somewhat about investment, and a lot about psychology. It was just easier to deal with that psychology when you could see the endpoints as clearing a certain part of the game. Adding in the new champion requirement I think made it clearer that something else was at play, ie the exclusivity. This is reserved for a certain sort of player, good isn’t good enough. And while that is all probably valid for the direction the game needs to take and how you support your most invested player base, it will have the tendency to create hard feelings.

Like for me, the stringency of my work requirements in healthcare will probably forever prevent me from alliance participation. I presume with the splitting of the deals I wont see the kind of offers that will allow me to affordably keep up with players that sort of shape the future of the game. It’s a little like being 3rd tier player, and seeing yourself moving towards 4th or 5th tier instead of 2nd, and not really seeing a pathway to anything but 6th and 7th.

But the game probably doesn’t drive on folks like me, and I don’t really expect it to.

That is false. Lets say they were to offer a T5CC as part of the deal. They are not going to give it to cavs because that would make the thronebreaker progression pointless, and would devalue t5cc. Instead they would just drop thronebreaker to whatever they planned for cavs. They are vastly more likely to drop thronebreaker down to cavs then they are to raise cavs up to thronebreaker.

It certainly wouldn’t serve the putative rationale for throne breaker if they gave people a cash opt in for it, but if a company were willing to take a somewhat short sighted approach to a large cash in flux versus long-term financial growth, they sure as heck would. And I suspect there have been companies that have done that. That way throne breaker has two groups in it, one who has worked their way there and the other ones were willing to pay for the privilege

TyEdge

Newlinstheory said:

@TyEdge wdymmm
6.1 & 6.2 nerfs went live already

No, they didn’t. They changed crossbones (he’s not easier, just different) and made adjustments to 6.2.5 mordo and 6.2.6 champion.

The roadmap promised adjustments to path attack values and bosses across all of Act 6, including 6.1 and 6.2. None were changed. After 3 months of waiting and a week of badgering them on the forums, the extent of the reply was “we decided it wasn’t necessary.”

Well, then why did you announce that it was being done?

TyEdge

Lormif said:

TyEdge said:

Here’s the problem with Thronebreaker deals:

Thronebreaker was not part of the roadmap, as far as I recall. Apologies if I’m wrong.

Nerfs to 6.1 and 6.2 were part of the roadmap and were abandoned after 3 months with no communication.

Many near-endgame players delayed 6.1 and 6.2 exploration with the promise of changes, making it difficult to recoup the two 25% crystals in the two months between the Thronebreaker announcement and Black Friday.

Now they’re in a position to spend or grind their *** off in a short period to catch up, in the hope of getting extra stuff. It’s the bait-and-switch element of this that is specifically gross. “Here’s a modest incentive to NOT die this content right now, and also to be excited about the future of the game so you give us money.” And then three months later, “we aren’t doing those things, and now here’s a huge incentive to get them as soon as possible.”

It’s bizarre to me that there are people who would rather be stans for a multimillion dollar company than hold them accountable for misleading customers while bolstering short-term goodwill and revenue.

So because you chose to hold off those of us who did not should get screwed? Hold them accountable for what?

The purpose of the roadmap was supposed to be transparency and communication. Accountable for being misleading? Outright lying, maybe?

They announced major changes to half of act 6, cashed in on the goodwill on July 4, then quietly canceled those changes 3 months later, only confirming the shifter course after being nagged about it on the forums.

We still don’t know when or how that decision was made. We still don’t know why they announced one thing and did the opposite. That’s weak.

Demonzfyre

Heattblastt said:

peterrr said:

thats the point and you are missing it ... i can do abyss and act6 no problem but its on short notice and they screwed me over with that ... there is no time

Thronebreaker title was not announced just keeping cyber weekend deals in mind..... Their might be 100 different things they might have thought of before announcing the TB title......

Actually it was announced. And delayed. 🤷

Lormif

TyEdge said:

Lormif said:

TyEdge said:

Here’s the problem with Thronebreaker deals:

Thronebreaker was not part of the roadmap, as far as I recall. Apologies if I’m wrong.

Nerfs to 6.1 and 6.2 were part of the roadmap and were abandoned after 3 months with no communication.

Many near-endgame players delayed 6.1 and 6.2 exploration with the promise of changes, making it difficult to recoup the two 25% crystals in the two months between the Thronebreaker announcement and Black Friday.

Now they’re in a position to spend or grind their *** off in a short period to catch up, in the hope of getting extra stuff. It’s the bait-and-switch element of this that is specifically gross. “Here’s a modest incentive to NOT die this content right now, and also to be excited about the future of the game so you give us money.” And then three months later, “we aren’t doing those things, and now here’s a huge incentive to get them as soon as possible.”

It’s bizarre to me that there are people who would rather be stans for a multimillion dollar company than hold them accountable for misleading customers while bolstering short-term goodwill and revenue.

So because you chose to hold off those of us who did not should get screwed? Hold them accountable for what?

The purpose of the roadmap was supposed to be transparency and communication. Accountable for being misleading? Outright lying, maybe?

They announced major changes to half of act 6, cashed in on the goodwill on July 4, then quietly canceled those changes 3 months later, only confirming the shifter course after being nagged about it on the forums.

We still don’t know when or how that decision was made. We still don’t know why they announced one thing and did the opposite. That’s weak.

and I have no clue what you are talking about, the only thing on the road map I know about that they did not do was the summer of pain, and that was never a promised thing.

Demonzfyre

peterrr said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

KelvinKage said:

Ebony_Naw said:

Worknprogress said:

peterrr said:

Newlinstheory said:

@peterrr thats really not true my guy.

I may not be 100% free to play but when I did my first abyss run all the units I had were units I grinded from arena and arena crystals.

I ended up with a science that I used on abom because i have 5* red guardian

I dont see how this is unfair thing for them to do.
This is not a necessity
They are not forcing you
They are urging players to get this asap

im farming for every cyber monday + july offers 2x21K units ... and there is no way i have bonus resources to do abyss

you probably dont care about these offers but i farmed few months and now they created another level of offers wich i can only reach by spending money or forget about cyber monday .... 99% of free to play players cant too its really not doable do get both

its too soon to do cyber monday offers... christmas ? okay i can live with that, but no cyber monday we had 60 days notice ? thats nothing

How does stopping yourself from actually doing content to get offers even kind of make sense to some of you? You realize actually playing the game is how you're supposed to progress? Not getting deals

And is he talking about farming 42k units? But no, he can't do abyss. I'm assuming I read that wrong.

That logic is beyond nuts to me. 42k units as a f2p player but unwilling to do content in pursuit of deals. If you spent a portion of that doing abyss and exploring act 6 odds are you’d have thronebreaker and still some left over for the deals.

I mean, we have to be understanding that incorrectly, right? It's so irrational that it's incomprehensible to me.

If someone values the TB unit deals so much, then use 3k units to complete abyss and wait to see if the t5cc is worth using.

usually it costs 6K + i dont have aegon + offers are better .... logical enough for ya m8 ?

While I disagree with your philosophy, I don't think we will come to agree on that.

But perhaps you can humor me by answering this question:

Does it bother you that a tier of offer exists for Cavalier players that is not accessible to Uncollected players? Because I don't really see a difference. Creating separate tiers allows Kabam to offer more resources to cavalier players that would otherwise be considered broken for Uncollected players. And likewise, each tier is offered something not available to lower tiers because it would be deemed inappropriate for the lower tier, but relevant in progressing for an account at the level of the offer. Why, then, would you deem it unfair for Kabam to do the same by partitioning Cavalier and TB offers? It allows them to throw in more t5cc or whatever will be offered, that they would be worried about giving to Cavalier players.

The only difference I can see is that one scenario affects you (and me for now), while the other does not.

you are missing my point... its on short notice... i cant prepare for abyss + complete act6 and have 21k units in 2 months thats not doable and it puts me behind because they didnt annouce it early

what does that have to do with anything?

thats the point and you are missing it ... i can do abyss and act6 no problem but its on short notice and they screwed me over with that ... there is no time

If you can do it no problem, why haven't you?

Worknprogress

Demonzfyre said:

peterrr said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

KelvinKage said:

Ebony_Naw said:

Worknprogress said:

peterrr said:

Newlinstheory said:

@peterrr thats really not true my guy.

I may not be 100% free to play but when I did my first abyss run all the units I had were units I grinded from arena and arena crystals.

I ended up with a science that I used on abom because i have 5* red guardian

I dont see how this is unfair thing for them to do.
This is not a necessity
They are not forcing you
They are urging players to get this asap

im farming for every cyber monday + july offers 2x21K units ... and there is no way i have bonus resources to do abyss

you probably dont care about these offers but i farmed few months and now they created another level of offers wich i can only reach by spending money or forget about cyber monday .... 99% of free to play players cant too its really not doable do get both

its too soon to do cyber monday offers... christmas ? okay i can live with that, but no cyber monday we had 60 days notice ? thats nothing

How does stopping yourself from actually doing content to get offers even kind of make sense to some of you? You realize actually playing the game is how you're supposed to progress? Not getting deals

And is he talking about farming 42k units? But no, he can't do abyss. I'm assuming I read that wrong.

That logic is beyond nuts to me. 42k units as a f2p player but unwilling to do content in pursuit of deals. If you spent a portion of that doing abyss and exploring act 6 odds are you’d have thronebreaker and still some left over for the deals.

I mean, we have to be understanding that incorrectly, right? It's so irrational that it's incomprehensible to me.

If someone values the TB unit deals so much, then use 3k units to complete abyss and wait to see if the t5cc is worth using.

usually it costs 6K + i dont have aegon + offers are better .... logical enough for ya m8 ?

While I disagree with your philosophy, I don't think we will come to agree on that.

But perhaps you can humor me by answering this question:

Does it bother you that a tier of offer exists for Cavalier players that is not accessible to Uncollected players? Because I don't really see a difference. Creating separate tiers allows Kabam to offer more resources to cavalier players that would otherwise be considered broken for Uncollected players. And likewise, each tier is offered something not available to lower tiers because it would be deemed inappropriate for the lower tier, but relevant in progressing for an account at the level of the offer. Why, then, would you deem it unfair for Kabam to do the same by partitioning Cavalier and TB offers? It allows them to throw in more t5cc or whatever will be offered, that they would be worried about giving to Cavalier players.

The only difference I can see is that one scenario affects you (and me for now), while the other does not.

you are missing my point... its on short notice... i cant prepare for abyss + complete act6 and have 21k units in 2 months thats not doable and it puts me behind because they didnt annouce it early

what does that have to do with anything?

thats the point and you are missing it ... i can do abyss and act6 no problem but its on short notice and they screwed me over with that ... there is no time

If you can do it no problem, why haven't you?

Beating content with units is apparently bad but buying resources with them is good

Demonzfyre

peterrr said:

Heattblastt said:

peterrr said:

thats the point and you are missing it ... i can do abyss and act6 no problem but its on short notice and they screwed me over with that ... there is no time

Thronebreaker title was not announced just keeping cyber weekend deals in mind..... Their might be 100 different things they might have thought of before announcing the TB title......

Demonzfyre said:

peterrr said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

KelvinKage said:

Ebony_Naw said:

Worknprogress said:

peterrr said:

Newlinstheory said:

@peterrr thats really not true my guy.

I may not be 100% free to play but when I did my first abyss run all the units I had were units I grinded from arena and arena crystals.

I ended up with a science that I used on abom because i have 5* red guardian

I dont see how this is unfair thing for them to do.
This is not a necessity
They are not forcing you
They are urging players to get this asap

im farming for every cyber monday + july offers 2x21K units ... and there is no way i have bonus resources to do abyss

you probably dont care about these offers but i farmed few months and now they created another level of offers wich i can only reach by spending money or forget about cyber monday .... 99% of free to play players cant too its really not doable do get both

its too soon to do cyber monday offers... christmas ? okay i can live with that, but no cyber monday we had 60 days notice ? thats nothing

How does stopping yourself from actually doing content to get offers even kind of make sense to some of you? You realize actually playing the game is how you're supposed to progress? Not getting deals

And is he talking about farming 42k units? But no, he can't do abyss. I'm assuming I read that wrong.

That logic is beyond nuts to me. 42k units as a f2p player but unwilling to do content in pursuit of deals. If you spent a portion of that doing abyss and exploring act 6 odds are you’d have thronebreaker and still some left over for the deals.

I mean, we have to be understanding that incorrectly, right? It's so irrational that it's incomprehensible to me.

If someone values the TB unit deals so much, then use 3k units to complete abyss and wait to see if the t5cc is worth using.

usually it costs 6K + i dont have aegon + offers are better .... logical enough for ya m8 ?

While I disagree with your philosophy, I don't think we will come to agree on that.

But perhaps you can humor me by answering this question:

Does it bother you that a tier of offer exists for Cavalier players that is not accessible to Uncollected players? Because I don't really see a difference. Creating separate tiers allows Kabam to offer more resources to cavalier players that would otherwise be considered broken for Uncollected players. And likewise, each tier is offered something not available to lower tiers because it would be deemed inappropriate for the lower tier, but relevant in progressing for an account at the level of the offer. Why, then, would you deem it unfair for Kabam to do the same by partitioning Cavalier and TB offers? It allows them to throw in more t5cc or whatever will be offered, that they would be worried about giving to Cavalier players.

The only difference I can see is that one scenario affects you (and me for now), while the other does not.

you are missing my point... its on short notice... i cant prepare for abyss + complete act6 and have 21k units in 2 months thats not doable and it puts me behind because they didnt annouce it early

what does that have to do with anything?

thats the point and you are missing it ... i can do abyss and act6 no problem but its on short notice and they screwed me over with that ... there is no time

If you can do it no problem, why haven't you?

because i dont have enough units for everything? and wasnt buying dual class to get aegon ?

How long exactly do you think it takes for easy path of Abyss? If 2 months is "short notice", what isn't short notice? How much advance notice should Kabam give you in order to be prepared for a permanent title that has no expiration date? What I'm reading that because you want to spend your units on deals, Kabam should have given you appropriate notice. Not that you could have beaten the content by now and be in a position to have a R3.

Love seeing these excuses as to why it's always Kabams fault for everything.

DNA3000

TheTalents said:

Oh and since everyone is name dropping their rosters. I have 28 r5 5 stars (wow less than I thought), 5 R2 6 stars, and 2 R3 6 stars. But ever since I reached about 15 r5 5 stars I felt as though I had a combination to complete any mode in the game because I was very selective with my rank ups and didn't rank for prestige initially.

I had to check because I don't keep mental count, but I currently sit at 18 r5s, 4 r2s, and 1 r3. Compared to the average player I have a tremendously good roster, but I suspect I have one of the more anemic Thronebreaker rosters around.

pseudosane

AO8mile said:

@Mauled i have 14 R5 & R2 and i have 4 R5 gem
4 t5b which i have no use and i have 102 5star champions
am I still in develop? u tell me

sadly 14 is quite low. My main has 30 r5s, my alt has 21. thats not counting r2s, and I;m quite sure i'm on the lower end of end game.

pseudosane

DNA3000 said:

TheTalents said:

Oh and since everyone is name dropping their rosters. I have 28 r5 5 stars (wow less than I thought), 5 R2 6 stars, and 2 R3 6 stars. But ever since I reached about 15 r5 5 stars I felt as though I had a combination to complete any mode in the game because I was very selective with my rank ups and didn't rank for prestige initially.

I had to check because I don't keep mental count, but I currently sit at 18 r5s, 4 r2s, and 1 r3. Compared to the average player I have a tremendously good roster, but I suspect I have one of the more anemic Thronebreaker rosters around.

That is quite sparse. I am surprised, but knowing you, you ranked up only when necessary. Kudos.

Frnkielo

You see that progression bar..there’s two more coming after throne breaker...step up you game if you want the titles..nobody forcing you to do it..better deals for those who have progressed further

Rookiie

Mcdonalds said:

What is the point of this thread
As Apocs signature ability is, survival of the fittest

The point of this thread is OP is not as cHonKs as Worknprogress, and wants a bigger cheeseburger on cyber weekend to become more cHoNk @Mcdonalds

DNA3000

Demonzfyre said:

If 2 months is "short notice", what isn't short notice?

If you want more than two months notice, just think of it as nine months notice before July 4 2021 offers. That should be plenty of time to get the Abyss done.

Odachi

Way too many pages of what I'm guessing (probably 99.7% correctly) is trolling gibberish - but if kabam are checking this 'petition', can I sign it to say I won't be purchasing either unit or cash offers if Thronebreakers get the same deal as cavaliers? Thanks.

Rookiie

Mcdonalds said:

Rookiie said:

Mcdonalds said:

What is the point of this thread
As Apocs signature ability is, survival of the fittest

The point of this thread is OP is not as cHonKs as Worknprogress, and wants a bigger cheeseburger on cyber weekend to become more cHoNk @Mcdonalds

You know it foo'

Worknprogress

peterrr said:

Worknprogress said:

Demonzfyre said:

peterrr said:

Lormif said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

peterrr said:

Ebony_Naw said:

KelvinKage said:

Ebony_Naw said:

Worknprogress said:

peterrr said:

Newlinstheory said:

@peterrr thats really not true my guy.

I may not be 100% free to play but when I did my first abyss run all the units I had were units I grinded from arena and arena crystals.

I ended up with a science that I used on abom because i have 5* red guardian

I dont see how this is unfair thing for them to do.
This is not a necessity
They are not forcing you
They are urging players to get this asap

im farming for every cyber monday + july offers 2x21K units ... and there is no way i have bonus resources to do abyss

you probably dont care about these offers but i farmed few months and now they created another level of offers wich i can only reach by spending money or forget about cyber monday .... 99% of free to play players cant too its really not doable do get both

its too soon to do cyber monday offers... christmas ? okay i can live with that, but no cyber monday we had 60 days notice ? thats nothing

How does stopping yourself from actually doing content to get offers even kind of make sense to some of you? You realize actually playing the game is how you're supposed to progress? Not getting deals

And is he talking about farming 42k units? But no, he can't do abyss. I'm assuming I read that wrong.

That logic is beyond nuts to me. 42k units as a f2p player but unwilling to do content in pursuit of deals. If you spent a portion of that doing abyss and exploring act 6 odds are you’d have thronebreaker and still some left over for the deals.

I mean, we have to be understanding that incorrectly, right? It's so irrational that it's incomprehensible to me.

If someone values the TB unit deals so much, then use 3k units to complete abyss and wait to see if the t5cc is worth using.

usually it costs 6K + i dont have aegon + offers are better .... logical enough for ya m8 ?

While I disagree with your philosophy, I don't think we will come to agree on that.

But perhaps you can humor me by answering this question:

Does it bother you that a tier of offer exists for Cavalier players that is not accessible to Uncollected players? Because I don't really see a difference. Creating separate tiers allows Kabam to offer more resources to cavalier players that would otherwise be considered broken for Uncollected players. And likewise, each tier is offered something not available to lower tiers because it would be deemed inappropriate for the lower tier, but relevant in progressing for an account at the level of the offer. Why, then, would you deem it unfair for Kabam to do the same by partitioning Cavalier and TB offers? It allows them to throw in more t5cc or whatever will be offered, that they would be worried about giving to Cavalier players.

The only difference I can see is that one scenario affects you (and me for now), while the other does not.

you are missing my point... its on short notice... i cant prepare for abyss + complete act6 and have 21k units in 2 months thats not doable and it puts me behind because they didnt annouce it early

what does that have to do with anything?

thats the point and you are missing it ... i can do abyss and act6 no problem but its on short notice and they screwed me over with that ... there is no time

If you can do it no problem, why haven't you?

Beating content with units is apparently bad but buying resources with them is good

yes, exactly content can be done without units and units should be spend on best offers thats the best way to progress in this game

Do you not realize how ridiculous this sounds?