NERF SOP MYSTERIO

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  • Grootman1294Grootman1294 Member Posts: 899 ★★★★
    Menkent said:

    Yeah, I've resigned myself to the certainty that I won't get a lot of solos in this event... but it's hardly an impossible fight. Within an hour I've seen solos with iBom and apocalypse. Claire will certainly show up soon. KG and classic abom seem plausible.

    Update: swedeah soloed with kg
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  • Negative_100Negative_100 Member Posts: 1,650 ★★★★
    Do you want it to be SoL summer of "lame"
    It's SoP for a reason. "PAIN!!!!!!!!!!"
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.
    Only for entitled people who complain that it’s too hard and want things made easier FOR THEM.

    For people who genuinely ask for advice and want to learn to get better, these “face rubbing people” tend to become much nicer.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.
    It seems like you're confused why an event named summer of pain would have fights in it that are frustrating. I'm not sure how much clearer kabam could have been with the name
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.
    Only for entitled people who complain that it’s too hard and want things made easier FOR THEM.

    For people who genuinely ask for advice and want to learn to get better, these “face rubbing people” tend to become much nicer.
    Right. Any complaint about the degree of difficulty is just entitlement. Nothing to see here.
  • Etm34Etm34 Member Posts: 1,665 ★★★★★
    Theoretically you could use Venom, bait SP2 every time, and win the fight in 1500 hits if you’re dealing 450 damage per run since he can’t be power drained by techs.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★
    Ebony_Naw said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    No. They don't complain when it's not available to them nearly as much as when it's made available to

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I don't have 80 6*s. I have 4 R3s with the option of another 3 I can rank up.

    My 5* roster is developed enough that I have everything I need to do virtually any content in the game because I spent time building up that roster. Cavs also have access to all the same things that I have to do the same.
    I have an extensive 5* Roster as well. That's not the point. The point is the first two Fights were based on skill. Moderately difficult, but doable with a number of Champs. This one is a pigeon hole on top of a challenge. For the record, I never had any arguments with the first two. This is just a brick wall.
    Theres what? Like 15 counters. They spesifically said this content would be tough for anyone who even 100% all other content. And its also in the name if you havent noticed. Its just not for you then. Which is fine. Or at least it should be, but for some reason you guys always wanna argue that it should be
    It's just not for me? Hmm....so the last two Fights were for me, but this one isn't? In an Event that already limits how much I can achieve based on my Title?
    This is just senseless. People continue to minimize any argument someone had against the level of difficulty as if it's just whining. It's arrogant. So you all had no issues. Congratulations. Other people have issues and they're communicating them.
    EXACTLY. They are supposed to have issues and not be able to breeze through all the fights.
    Who said anything about breezing? That's an exaggeration. People aren't expecting to do it on Auto Play lol
    So you’re asking for a fight that everyone can do, but is difficult and challenging and painful?

    You gotta set your expectations straight dude.
    Did I say everyone? That's just minimizing. I'm pretty sure my comments were clear. No, it's not expected to be a cake walk. It shouldn't be THAT narrow. Not on Week 3.
    Why not on week 3? Who sets the standard on which week it should start not being a cake walk? You?
    They called the first 3 weeks "warm ups" or something to that extent.
    Actually after re-reading the announcement, it’s not meant to be. It was announced that they will go easy on us by not introducing additional objectives for the fights, which will make them more challenging. They didn’t say anything about the fights being easier for the first 3 weeks.
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  • Grootman1294Grootman1294 Member Posts: 899 ★★★★

    xNig said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.
    Only for entitled people who complain that it’s too hard and want things made easier FOR THEM.

    For people who genuinely ask for advice and want to learn to get better, these “face rubbing people” tend to become much nicer.
    Right. Any complaint about the degree of difficulty is just entitlement. Nothing to see here.
    If it's a fight where a solo is possible and people have already gotten through it without a problem, yes, it is entitlement and potentially even laziness to not go in and try.

    On top of that, kabam called it the summer of pain. If people expected it to be a cakewalk, I think they gotta go dump some ice water on their heads and think twice.
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  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,251 ★★★★★
    *inserts two cents no one cares about*

    I've done the fight with minimal difficulty using Claire Voyant but I agree with the creator of the thread. When you severely limit the champion pool it becomes less about skill and more about stress. I think they miss the mark on making things accessible and difficult more often than not. Sometimes they seem to get it .. other times it's like let's see what end game players say now while forgetting about the other 98% of the game's population lol

    Still ... I've done the fight and I too think the way it is isn't really about skill but more so very specific champs. I mean it can "technically" be a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG slog with any champ but why introduce the stress of that in a so far fun event just to prove some point to end game players.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,977 Guardian
    Ooof, i expected this fight to be in SoP, just not this early. Hate fighting mysterio, time to buckle up and endure the fight, haha. I hope im better at fighting this fishbowl at the end of this challenge.
  • MaxGamingMaxGaming Member Posts: 3,211 ★★★★★
    As you said earlier it's meant for skilled players ONLY and if you can counter then...
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★

    xNig said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Pain is one thing. Head smashing is another. Lol.

    Head smashing is exactly how you're supposed to beat this Mysterio.
    Lol. That's fair. Am I petitioning to have it nerfed? Not really that invested. All I know is the Fight is tighter than it needs to be. Both previous ones were challenging but doable. This one didn't even flinch past 100% in the few tries I made, even with Poison counters. Bit excessive really. Considering Cavs only have limited access. I'm with the OP. Overkill. Just my opinion. Of course it's not meant to be that easy. That's obvious. There is a line though.
    All it requires for the easiest time is access to poison damage. Not poison Immunity.

    Without poison this fight is doable by virtually any champ but its a 6 million hp fight.
    If you can't acknowledge that this Fight is noticeably more frustrating than the previous two, then I don't know what to say. Seems like people argue against any comment that something is overboard.
    It's only frustrating to those who haven't developed their rosters, which is why SoP is primarily for TBs and Cavaliers can attempt it with what they have. Frustrating is also a poor choice to describe anything, since what some people find frustrating some people will find fun.
    Define developed. If you're saying it's only for people with 80-100 6*s and 15-20 R3s, then there's a major design flaw in making it available to Cavs.
    I... I used a 5/65 Man thing on my main, and I'm using a 5/65 I-Abom on my mini. What about that screams 80-100 6* to you?
    I was making a point. One that people will apparently argue incessantly just to rub it in the faces of people who are stuck.
    Only for entitled people who complain that it’s too hard and want things made easier FOR THEM.

    For people who genuinely ask for advice and want to learn to get better, these “face rubbing people” tend to become much nicer.
    Right. Any complaint about the degree of difficulty is just entitlement. Nothing to see here.
    If it's a fight where a solo is possible and people have already gotten through it without a problem, yes, it is entitlement and potentially even laziness to not go in and try.

    On top of that, kabam called it the summer of pain. If people expected it to be a cakewalk, I think they gotta go dump some ice water on their heads and think twice.
    I'm aware of what it is. I'm also aware that *some* people will waltz through it. That's the same as anything that's released. No one said anything about cake walk. It's about some sort of reasonability to it. Not just narrow to the point of being insane.
    Not everyone who has an issue is expecting to glide through it without trouble. Some of us are not strangers to a challenge. However, that doesn’t mean it's appropriate just because they said Pain. Not when you have a demographic of people who are waiting on a Resource wall of 2% RNG at a time and are just about ready to give up rather than wait 2 years to get to the next stage
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★

    *inserts two cents no one cares about*

    I've done the fight with minimal difficulty using Claire Voyant but I agree with the creator of the thread. When you severely limit the champion pool it becomes less about skill and more about stress. I think they miss the mark on making things accessible and difficult more often than not. Sometimes they seem to get it .. other times it's like let's see what end game players say now while forgetting about the other 98% of the game's population lol

    Still ... I've done the fight and I too think the way it is isn't really about skill but more so very specific champs. I mean it can "technically" be a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG slog with any champ but why introduce the stress of that in a so far fun event just to prove some point to end game players.

    How is it champ specific when there are more than 15 champs that can inflict poison? And it was even made more roster encompassing than A6 by introducing a node that armor breaks him when you use a special on top of a node that gives him (and indirectly you) more power to throw specials?
  • calamitacalamita Member Posts: 29
    I definitely agree with your point. This Mysterio is impossible to do unless you don't have a poison champ. (that are 4 in total in the all game lol)
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★

    Ooof, i expected this fight to be in SoP, just not this early. Hate fighting mysterio, time to buckle up and endure the fight, haha. I hope im better at fighting this fishbowl at the end of this challenge.

    I’m actually celebrating that it’s this week rather than anytime after.

    (Think about clearing this fight with a 4* as a special objective….)
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,010 ★★★★★
    edited June 2021
    Wonder how people will react when Slashed Tires Juggernaut gets it's turn ...
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,016 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    Ooof, i expected this fight to be in SoP, just not this early. Hate fighting mysterio, time to buckle up and endure the fight, haha. I hope im better at fighting this fishbowl at the end of this challenge.

    I’m actually celebrating that it’s this week rather than anytime after.

    (Think about clearing this fight with a 4* as a special objective….)
    Exactly this.
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,365 ★★★★★

    Ooof, i expected this fight to be in SoP, just not this early. Hate fighting mysterio, time to buckle up and endure the fight, haha. I hope im better at fighting this fishbowl at the end of this challenge.

    I for one am very happy he's shown up this early. Can you imagine how hard it would have been in week 7? What god awful nodes and objectives would we have seen there!?

    This way, it's done and dusted
    I was about to say this. I’m glad he’s out of the way now so we don’t have this fight plus some godawful objective like “beat Acid Wash Mysterio while playing with your feet! We’re watching!”
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,016 ★★★★★
    calamita said:

    I definitely agree with your point. This Mysterio is impossible to do unless you don't have a poison champ. (that are 4 in total in the all game lol)

    You think there's only 4 champs that inflict poison in game?
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,365 ★★★★★
    calamita said:

    I definitely agree with your point. This Mysterio is impossible to do unless you don't have a poison champ. (that are 4 in total in the all game lol)

    I really need the forums to have a “???” or “oh, honey” reaction button.
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