**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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@Kabam Miike @Kabam Boo
Tbh. I was saving for months for cyber weekend. I have $700 in Apple Pay cards that were going to kabam. No cap. But why would I invest in a game that I can’t even be confident I’ll be playing in two months? Why would I invest in a game, when I can’t trust the company behind it?
This is the bed you made, Kabam. Now you have to lie in it.
please kabam, your players are begging you to save this game before it’s to late, now is the time to act and not with just words or promises going into 2022 we need actions
Have Kabam considered hiring people on a temp basis to help speed up the process of fixing the game. Maybe it’s too expensive for them, who knows what’s really going on the inside.
However, I'm nevertheless going to point out that hyperbole never helps. We can't keep swinging wildly between "this is cool" and "everything sucks" because what we are doing is destroying our own credibility. If there are players who actually believe that Kabam has done *nothing* to address major concerns in the game, then things are hopeless for them. If everything Kabam has done, just since the "burnout/dev diary" time amounts to nothing, then it is pointless to do anything. Kabam has done a lot since then, and while not everyone loves each of those things they've done, if we can't acknowledge that honestly, then our criticisms of where they fall short are worthless. I would ignore anyone who said said.
And you can't just handwave this as being reasonable hyperbole either. *Some* hyperbole is expected and should be accounted for in any criticism. But this goes beyond hyperbole, because useful criticism should distinguish the right direction from the wrong direction. Saying nothing has been done is saying every direction the game has taken is wrong. And that is not actionable feedback: no one can do anything with that.
I don't always agree with the direction the devs take, nor do I always agree with how they try to get there. But you have to decide if you're trying to fish for forum agrees or trying to improve the game. It is easy to get people to agree with you: just complain about the right things. But if you want to actually improve the game with feedback, you have to leave the world of "everything is wrong" and compare what's wrong with what's right. A lot of things have gone right. Content like Summer of Pain and Omega Boss Rush were good additions to the game for higher tier players. Act 7 has been going vastly superior to Act 6 both in content and reward balance. *Most* champion updates have been successful in terms of both making the champions more useful and making players more interested in actually using the champions. A lot of the QoL changes have been positive. A lot of the lower tier player experience has been updated and improved over time. Rewards and resources generally continue to get easier to obtain, across all tiers of players.
Act 7, Summer of Pain, and Omega tell me the devs can make solid content when they try. V8, and the "hit a billion things" objectives from hell need to be compared to content that was better received, to tell them which way to go. Even the current side quest, which a lot of people are complaining about, is not all bad. It is one of the least grindy side quests we've had in a while, and that's a good thing. We need to recognize that if we want less grindy side quests we're going to have to accept more difficulty: they can't be shorter and easier and just as rewarding. If we say that's just another fail, we're back to square one. We have to say the less grindy part is good, the higher difficulty is acceptable, but we just want to tweak it in this small way (and some players are doing that to be sure, but they aren't the majority).
I could nit pick the details (for example, it is a false statement to say Kabam has done nothing about complaints of gold shortages, when the exact opposite is the case), but as I said, I do agree with the sentiment and I think the more important focus moving forward is not debating the details, but charting a better path forward. And while I think Kabam has a very long way to go there, I think the way we present feedback has just as far to go. If you want to say everything is wrong and Kabam has done nothing about it, that's certainly everyone's right to do. I'm just saying no one working on the game would take such feedback seriously, and there's nothing they could do about it even if they wanted to. If they've done nothing about the gold supply, for example, then that means everything they have done is worthless, so why bother doing anything else? If they've done nothing to improve the content in the game, then all the effort put into changing direction from Act 6 to Act 7 is worthless, so why bother continuing to do that?
It is not easy to be measured, and reasonable, and objective. If it was easy, everyone would do it. But you have to decide what you want. If you want to vent, and hear the cheers of the crowd, then blast away. It is very satisfying, for a while. But if you actually want to change the game, and you want the developers to hear what you have to say, you can't throw the kitchen sink at them. For one thing, you're probably wrong about a lot of those things. More importantly, no one with the power to help you will listen.
People are always coming and going. That's been true from day one. It is just that people leaving an online game is not in and of itself a significant fact.
More importantly, we can only guess at the net flow of players into and out of the game. We can only guestimate how much revenue the game generates (people like Kam and myself run the numbers, but those numbers have huge error bars of uncertainty). Kabam actually knows those numbers precisely. It is never a good idea to assert your guesses to someone who knows with certainty. If your argument relies upon those guesses to be true, they can know instantly if your guesses are wrong and scratch your arguments as foundationless.
I'll give one obvious example. There are a lot of people, here on the forums and out in Youtube-land, who will look at a cash offer and state, without any hedging, that the offer is so bad no one could possibly be buying it. Even accounting for exaggeration, they are saying the number of people is so small the offer is nonsensical. All of those people are wrong. How do I know they are wrong? Because Kabam wouldn't keep making offers that no one (or very few people) buy. It isn't worth their time. If it is there, people are buying it. So every one of those people is broadcasting "look at me, I'm totally wrong and proud of it." They do it because a lot of players will pat them on the back, while the people who actually design the offers shake their heads and sigh.
Trading players thinking you're a genius for the developers thinking you're an idiot doesn't seem to be a logical trade to me. I would prefer to aim for both sides simultaneously not thinking I'm crazy, but then again that might be the thing that proves I'm nuts.
Thanks for taking the time to tell Kabam that we have been loyal but they haven't been sending the same to all the players that have tried to stick with them!
Sometimes the devs don’t reply to a thread because they don’t have anything useful to say, and while we say that just acknowledging the post would be helpful, we all know that’s not true. The mods and the devs get slammed for doing just that; there’s evidence of that kind of attitude even in this thread. We say we want transparency but when the devs explained their reasoning for Guillotines update - an update I strongly disagreed with - a lot of people took that as evidence the devs were not communicating with us, because they didn’t “admit” they were wrong. We say we want more communication but when they honestly say they don’t have anything to report but are acknowledging the feedback people say they are just giving lip service. We want them to talk with us more but there’s just a lot of people who only want them to say what they want to hear.
As to your mastery thread. I can tell you masteries are something the devs are still looking at, but it is likely that mastery systems will require system programmer time, and the systems programmers are mostly tied up rebuilding the input systems. And the devs never comment on things like costs until they actually have something ready to go, because commenting on things like costs before designs take shape generally get them into trouble.
I've been playing this game since January 2016. I have logged in every day, fought through the hard content, led alliances into Gold 1, event competed in platinum for a time. I have made top 20 in featured arenas, obtained the legends title and done everything I can to play this game to its fullest.
Now I sit semi retired in a silver alliance just going through the motions.
But I'm still here.
Maybe its because of the astounding amount of time and effort I've committed to this game over the years. Maybe its because I still believe in what this game CAN be. Maybe its just habit. I am still here.
But last month saw 2 different firsts for me since I started playing. Last month was the first time that I have not completed a monthly EQ and the first time that I have missed a login. The EQ wasn't hard, and logging in just takes a couple seconds, I just couldn't be bothered. The game state being what it has been for so long is finally wearing me down. And I'm no longer sure how long I'll still be here.
Great post and I agree with every word you said. I’m done spending my money on the game, not only because of the issues you mentioned but especially since the blatant cheating in arena isn’t fixed. Every single arena that ends is a slap in the face of legitimate players.
Now, I don't think people unreasonable for expressing their issues. They're free to do that, and it's important they do. It's the process of making a big list of issues, awaiting a big response, and expecting a big change, that is unreasonable. The higher people build their resentments, the harder it is to address them. Which is why I prefer to examine issues individually.
I try to steer away from generalizations and petition-like approaches to concerns because they become much more than they are at times. Concerns are valid. Feelings deserve to be heard. Expectations need to be reasonable.
We can’t steer away from the issue at hand, and that is the bugs and game control problems.
Not being completely happy with game modes such as arenas / new variants / side quests etc is a personal opinion and we all have the option not to participate.
About mastery system, if they really care about how much of a struggle and pain it is for the playerbase can a quick temporal fix be considered? Maybe it will be something that will ease the community and give us in a way a new toy to mess around with. Sometimes you gotta pick your battles right. An example I was thinking about, we have tokens to change our game name. Can we have something similar for mastery in the meantime. The reasonably priced tokens or even free (a limited amount every month or something we can claim after some hours let’s say 12hrs, 24hrs, something idk) that allows you to recover and change your mastery build at no unit cost. Then again what do I know about building a game.
I think what most people want is an improved game experience, that Kabam knows it and this letter isn’t saying something new.
The gaps listed in this thread can still be made up for based on the quality of the offers this time. The offers for throne-breaker last July 4 were completely out of touch. Please don’t make it reoccuring again.
There hasn’t been much to enjoy given the state of the game , so most players probably will not spend regardless, which just makes the expectancy to deliver to the audience that much more.
Giving potions and revives doesn't make it right .. honestly they are in stash and gets expired.
Very well written in a very well phrased wordings..
#saveTheGame #4+ year player